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Lowetide
March 23 2012 08:11AM

Yesterday, Jason Gregor (via Terry Jones via Jack Michaels) gave us the word on what makes Linus Omark happy.  

The story is up on the EJ this morning, with Omark's complete quote to Mr. Michaels. He's not going to OKC--waiver eligible now--and according to Jim Matheson the team will qualify him and then look to offload the gifted Swede over the summer.

I imagine the Oilers will be content with a mid-round pick in exchange for him, giving another NHL team a wonderful opportunity to get extreme value from a long shot draft selection.

There have been times over the last 20 years when the Edmonton Oilers were so interested in sending size over the boards that small items like skill were overlooked. Without saying the names, I think most Oiler fans could list off several of these player types without much trouble.
 
Omark's failure to win the day and find a home in the everyday lineup surely has something to do with the #1 picks, the Eberle and veteran presence. It also has something to do with making sure "size" is at least part of the equation. These are the kids likely to play most or all of a decade together in Edmonton on the top 9:
  1. Teemu Hartikainen 6.01, 215
  2. Curtis Hamilton 6.02, 206
  3. Magnus Paajarvi 6.03, 200
  4. Tyler Pitlick 6.02, 195
  5. Taylor Hall 6.01, 194
  6. Anton Lander 6.0, 194
  7. Jordan Eberle 6.0, 185
  8. Sam Gagner 5.11, 191
  9. Linus Omark 5.10, 174
  10. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 6.01, 171

There is a way to use Linus Omark--he has some nice things, including being tough along the wall and in puck battles--but the Oilers have other options and despite verbal there are no plans to roll "3 scoring lines."

I would guess Omark finds a place to play in the NHL, and would bet on him being an effective player. The Oilers have sent away a lot of kids since 2007 fall and Omark will be the latest in a long line.

I think he's probably the most naturally talented player Edmonton has flushed in a long time. Call me crazy, but that seems to be a really bizarre thing to do.

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#51 aeiouY
March 23 2012, 10:40AM
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tambo has set this guy up perfectly to trade for an impact 5th round selection

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#52 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 10:40AM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I made a commitment at the beginning of the season. Unlike Omark, I actually care enough to honour that commitment ;)

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#53 book¡e
March 23 2012, 10:46AM
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John Chambers wrote:

The Oilers treatment of Omark has been baffling. Too small to fit into your plans? Fine. At least showcase his skills during the re-build in order to enhance is market value - and gee whiz, use him as a piece to obtain that coveted defenseman.

We've endured a season where Renney has decided to give the Belanger triangle ample ice time on the pp, has thrown Petrell and now Jones games on the top line, and has inserted cro magnon man, Darcy Hordichuk, into the lineup 36! times while Omark went to the farm or was benched. I don't care if he's Arch's goat, he would've at the very least been our 6th or 7th most offensively productive player, if not better.

Squandered. There's no other word for it.

I fully agree. In a season where you don't really care if you win, throw him over the boards with two of the three 'kids' for 20 games (a fire-hydrant could score at a 0.50 pace or better with RNH and Eberle), let him get a few more Youtube hits, talk about how skilled he is in the MSM and then trade him while telling other GMs that you are just overloaded in the small forward department.

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#54 A-Mc
March 23 2012, 10:47AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I made a commitment at the beginning of the season. Unlike Omark, I actually care enough to honour that commitment ;)

Your post quality has really gone down hill man.

I used to look for your posts specifically to read them first.

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#55 book¡e
March 23 2012, 10:48AM
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A-Mc wrote:

There are 3 silos of people here.

1. The Omark HATERS that really aren't making valid points for why he shouldn't be an oiler. These people sound pretty childish imo.

2. The Omark non-believers. These guys use valid arguments to point out holes in his game and use that to discuss why he shouldn't be an Oiler.

3. The Omark fans. These people see the talent and are uneasy about letting it go for peanuts.

I'm #3 with a hit of #2. I really like the guy. I don't sugar coat things if someone asks my opinion and i cannot help but feel that i'd say the same things Omark did if i were dicked around like the Oilers have dicked him around.

I Understand he doesn't fit what we need here in Edmonton, so I'm OK with moving him. But i am really not pleased with the way we've handled him. If Renney is the one who makes the decisions to play a guy or not, then this is a major black mark on his record IMO.

When asked what i think about Renney staying or Going, i cannot help but feel negatively about him PURELY based on the way he has handled some players (The 3 swedes).

Yes, I agree, I still have some uncertainty about Omark - he may or may not establish himself in the NHL if given a chance on a scoring line. With that said, there is only one way to know and its not burying him on the 4th line or the pressbox.

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#56 Truth
March 23 2012, 10:54AM
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Omark would have been a lot more valuable to the Oilers if Hemsky had been traded. Playing him prior to the trade deadline would only increase his re-sign price tag, plus Hemsky was still around. It would seem that playing him now that Hemsky has signed is to increase his trade value.

I obviously don't know if this is the logic, but it would make sense. Unfortunately, we all know Hemsky is made of glass and a skilled player available to fill in for him (or any other injured top 6) would be incredibly valuable.

You could argue that PRV would be destined for this position once Omark is flushed. In saying that, PRV would APPEAR to be much more valuable to the Oilers because he is taller, heavier, and faster skating. Unfortunately though, he is incredibly soft IMO.

Tough call for the Oilers, it's too bad PRV had such an abismal performance this year or he could have been traded for a good young D and Omark kept.

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#57 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 10:56AM
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@A-Mc

I thought I made valid points in #12 and #19, but it's understandable.

It's probably a natural ebb and flow in quality. That or 6 years of consistent losing has taken its toll on me and I'm currently a shell of my former self.

That said, you might just like Omark (for reasons unknown) and it's not the quality of my message but the content that bothers you.

I dont know.

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#58 vetinari
March 23 2012, 11:06AM
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Omark might end up being another Schremp, just without the draft pedigree. However, unlike Schremp, I don't see the same degree of selfishness in his game although he can be cocky. I think that there is potential for him as a second/third liner if he can round out his game and improve his defense.

As for the size issue, not every player on a team needs to be 6 feet tall and 215 pounds. There have been some good players around the league over the years who are all under 6 feet tall (let's see, Theo Fleury, Pat Verbeek, Steve Sullivan, Darren Helm, Doug Weight, Kris Versteeg all come to mind) so size is not the only factor to consider.

Omark will never replace Hemsky as some suggest, but he can be a valuable support player who could move up the roster chart from time to time, if needed.

I would lean towards keeping him for at least another season unless another team is willing to take him as part of a package for a top 4 defenceman or a young reliable goaltender.

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#59 Truth
March 23 2012, 11:07AM
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Omark would have been a lot more valuable to the Oilers if Hemsky had been traded. Playing him prior to the trade deadline would have only increase his re-sign price tag, plus Hemsky was still around, plus he was injured. It would seem that playing him now that Hemsky has signed is to increase his trade value.

I obviously don't know if this is the logic, but it would make sense. Unfortunately, we all know Hemsky is made of glass and a skilled player available to fill in for him (or any other injured top 6) would be incredibly valuable.

You could argue that PRV would be destined for this position once Omark is flushed. In saying that, PRV would appear to be much more valuable to the Oilers because he is taller, heavier, and faster skating. Unfortunately though, he is incredibly soft IMO. I sure do hope that PRV becomes a better player than Omark in the end.

Tough call for the Oilers, it's too bad PRV had such an abismal performance this year or he could have been traded for a good young D.

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#60 KatzKidsJewFro
March 23 2012, 11:07AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

The comment wouldnt have blown up on twitter if all it seemed like was a guy who wants to represent his country.

Yea we get it. You don't like Omark. Last night for an undersized, slow, useless player he really seemed to have himself in and around the front of Tampa's net which I liked.

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#61 A-Mc
March 23 2012, 11:08AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I thought I made valid points in #12 and #19, but it's understandable.

It's probably a natural ebb and flow in quality. That or 6 years of consistent losing has taken its toll on me and I'm currently a shell of my former self.

That said, you might just like Omark (for reasons unknown) and it's not the quality of my message but the content that bothers you.

I dont know.

#12 is just an attack on Omarks character. The few bits of probable truth (like there are defensive holes in his game) are easily countered with the notion that he hasn't been given solid attention to help work out those kinks. As others have stated, this hole exists all over our team and is IMO the main reason we lose. If the majority of players play with Defensive holes, you can't use that as a way to single out 1 player. The other notion that he doesn't fit into the top 6 is again easily countered with: why does he need to be top 6? Guys of all shapes, sizes and skill levels can play on the 3rd line. Horc Smyth and Omark played well together last night.

Paajarvi was given a fair chance. No one can argue that Paajarvi wasn't given the opportunity to prove himself at the NHL level. Compare the way Paajarvi (A guy the team WANTS to succeed) was treated to Omark (A Guy the team has already decided has no place). It's Night and Day.

#19 i can get behind. I'd need to look at it more closely to commit 100%, but these 3 point games are really keeping things close. To be honest I'm not entirely sure yet that this is a bad thing either.

To be honest i first started to notice the post quality go down once the Oilers stopped winning and started losing. I'm going to go with option #"6 years of consistent losing". =)

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#62 Robin Brownlee
March 23 2012, 11:09AM
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@Jonathan Willis

In a way, I was comparing them. While both players provide sizzle, neither one provides enough steak at the bottom line -- G-A-Pts -- to make up for the lack of other dimensions in their games.

For offensive players like Brunnstrom and Omark, it doesn't matter how much much flash and dash they show, what the underlying numbers say or that the "arrows are pointing in the right direction." Show me G-A-Pts.

I'll be surprised if we hear much from either one of them at the NHL level beyond the next year or two. Omark and Brunnstrom won't wash out at the NHL level because 30 teams are stupid, they'll fade away because they aren't good enough at what they do to make up for what they don't do.

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#63 David S
March 23 2012, 11:11AM
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Dman09 wrote:

I don't think Sammy will be gone because of a numbers thing I think this year he needed to have a break out season and he hasn't. Yes he had one amazing game but if you take that out fo the equation then he hasn't improved at all in the last few seasons and the Oilers need better than that to compete for the playoffs and in the playoffs.

I agree I think Petrell will likely get another contract but I would expect him to be sitting frequently in the Hordi role next season. It just seems that fighters have no spot anymore and Petrell is more useful than Hordi. I would almost say that Petrell is more useful than Eager as well. Has Eager done any PK this season?

Team lead in +/- (+8)

Will hit for 50+ points this season (all-time high for him)

Nudging 50% in FO's

~Yeah. Hasn't improved at all.~

AND if you take out Hemsky's hat trick the other night, Gagner would be leading him in that department too (see what I did there?).

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#64 Dman09
March 23 2012, 11:13AM
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A-Mc wrote:

There are 3 silos of people here.

1. The Omark HATERS that really aren't making valid points for why he shouldn't be an oiler. These people sound pretty childish imo.

2. The Omark non-believers. These guys use valid arguments to point out holes in his game and use that to discuss why he shouldn't be an Oiler.

3. The Omark fans. These people see the talent and are uneasy about letting it go for peanuts.

I'm #3 with a hit of #2. I really like the guy. I don't sugar coat things if someone asks my opinion and i cannot help but feel that i'd say the same things Omark did if i were dicked around like the Oilers have dicked him around.

I Understand he doesn't fit what we need here in Edmonton, so I'm OK with moving him. But i am really not pleased with the way we've handled him. If Renney is the one who makes the decisions to play a guy or not, then this is a major black mark on his record IMO.

When asked what i think about Renney staying or Going, i cannot help but feel negatively about him PURELY based on the way he has handled some players (The 3 swedes).

First off for those who are saying PRV should have been traded and Omark kept. PRV is only 20 while Omark is 25. Omark should be hitting his prime while PRV likely still needs two or three seasons to get there. Omark has not stood out at the NHL level and hasn't seemed to improve his defensive play. PRV has played well defensively and can back up defenseman but needs to work on offense and physical play.

So the only way Omark makes it at the NHL level is in a top 6 role which he hasn't shown he able to do as of yet because they way he plays will not work on a 3rd or 4th line. PRV has shown that at the very least he may be a good option for a 3 or 4 line but has the potential of being able to be productive in the top 6 as well. Also the way the guy plays defense its likely he could see some PK time in his future.

I don't see any reason that Omark should stay and PRV should go. That is just insanity. And as far as the team right now we already have a bunch of future maybes on 2way contract and they don't need to add another one on a 1 way contract. They need to use the contract on a player that can contribute now.

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#65 Douche Nietzsche
March 23 2012, 11:13AM
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Linus never got a fair shot with the Oilers, bottom line. Not the first guy that fell victim to the Oilers square=circle system. Good luck to him.

Speaking of midgets waiting to develop: where is Gagner?

I hope the Oilers unload that investment this summer. I think with the Hobbit coming out this year, Gagners value should be at an ol time high.

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#66 nunyour
March 23 2012, 11:17AM
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aeiouY wrote:

i don't see how he helps us win.... all he did was score last night. 47 points in 46 games in oklahoma. its obvious this guy can't' play. ship him

i totally agree,but over half the fans think edmonton should get Penner back?

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#67 book¡e
March 23 2012, 11:32AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

In a way, I was comparing them. While both players provide sizzle, neither one provides enough steak at the bottom line -- G-A-Pts -- to make up for the lack of other dimensions in their games.

For offensive players like Brunnstrom and Omark, it doesn't matter how much much flash and dash they show, what the underlying numbers say or that the "arrows are pointing in the right direction." Show me G-A-Pts.

I'll be surprised if we hear much from either one of them at the NHL level beyond the next year or two. Omark and Brunnstrom won't wash out at the NHL level because 30 teams are stupid, they'll fade away because they aren't good enough at what they do to make up for what they don't do.

Which underlying numbers say Omark is bad? I had the impression that they were generally supportive of him?

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#68 Spydyr
March 23 2012, 11:33AM
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This may be another Satan/Whitney mistake.IMO Gagner should go for defensive help and keep Omark.

So tired of seeing Gagner rolling on the ice after getting the slightest bump.

Yah yah he is 22 .....still soft as butter in July.

The eight point night was between two future all world players and potential HOF players.

On that line one of these things is not like the others.It was a fluke .Once in a career thing.

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#69 Dman09
March 23 2012, 11:34AM
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nunyour wrote:

i totally agree,but over half the fans think edmonton should get Penner back?

Alexandre Giroux in one season scored 106 points in 69 games in the AHL. Just because you play good in the AHL doesn't mean you will be good in the NHL. Wow Omark scored a goal, Horcoff scored 21 goals in 51 games and look where that go the team.

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#70 The Soup Fascist
March 23 2012, 11:37AM
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Omark is obviously pretty polarizing. I see flashes in his game, for example when he blew past the defenceman along the boards (he actually looked pretty quick and brave in doing that) in the third yesterday. And he does have some battle to go with his greasiness. I just get tired of the constant walking around on egg shells around this guy.

How will he react to being sent down to OKC? How is his pulse about sitting in the press box? Is he mad he is playing with the dog sled known as Belanger? That whole act, I am tired of. Maybe it is not even his fault as the media asks questions that they know he will answer honestly. But the guy is the very definition of high maintenance. He has not banked enough Goodwill to be high maintenance, IMO.

Did he get a fair shot? Probably not. But there is only so much room for small skilled players. Nuge / Eberle / Gagner and Hemsky are all smallish. Hall will be a thicker player as he matures. If you want to take Omark over Gagner, I disagree - but fine. Problem is Omark is not a a center.

Bottom line, the minute Hemsky signed, Omark's fate was sealed. Personally, I prefer Hemsky. But I see why guys see potential in Omark. It is just that he is not a fit, given what we have. Good Luck Linus, all the best.

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#71 Dman09
March 23 2012, 11:44AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Omark is obviously pretty polarizing. I see flashes in his game, for example when he blew past the defenceman along the boards (he actually looked pretty quick and brave in doing that) in the third yesterday. And he does have some battle to go with his greasiness. I just get tired of the constant walking around on egg shells around this guy.

How will he react to being sent down to OKC? How is his pulse about sitting in the press box? Is he mad he is playing with the dog sled known as Belanger? That whole act, I am tired of. Maybe it is not even his fault as the media asks questions that they know he will answer honestly. But the guy is the very definition of high maintenance. He has not banked enough Goodwill to be high maintenance, IMO.

Did he get a fair shot? Probably not. But there is only so much room for small skilled players. Nuge / Eberle / Gagner and Hemsky are all smallish. Hall will be a thicker player as he matures. If you want to take Omark over Gagner, I disagree - but fine. Problem is Omark is not a a center.

Bottom line, the minute Hemsky signed, Omark's fate was sealed. Personally, I prefer Hemsky. But I see why guys see potential in Omark. It is just that he is not a fit, given what we have. Good Luck Linus, all the best.

Just another interesting thing to add, Hemsky (28) is only three years older than Omark (25) with a better track record when healthy. I honestly don't think any team in the league would take Omark over hemsky unless they couldn't afford to or he had been injured again this year. Just sayin

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#72 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 11:51AM
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@The Soup Fascist

Little guy fights. Not soft.

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#73 tileguy
March 23 2012, 11:57AM
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WHY IS OMARK GONE? the man has talent, everybody agrees on that. He sees the ice, great along the boards and is a puckhound, defensive play can be taught. Can you imagine him playing on a third line with two coke machines, perhaps one that can stand in front of the net and the other with sweeter hands. Let him go battle along the boards fishing out the puck and finding one of the two, that would make a sweet third line. Throwing away Omark for a third round pick will make sending away Glencross look like a smart move. Glencross got his chance and now is a top 6. Either bundle him for AAA meat or find him line mates.

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#74 nathan
March 23 2012, 12:03PM
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"I made a commitment at the beginning of the season. Unlike Omark, I actually care enough to honour that commitment ;)"

Does not take much to spin a guy like Arch who is totally committed to spinning:

"When asked by Oilers radio announcer Jack Michaels if he was disappointed he couldn't play in Oklahoma City"

"Not really. I want to compete for a spot in the world championship in Sweden and I will go to the (Swedes') camp if they (Oilers) let me."

Yup. Nothing spells lack of commitment like not being disappointed by team decisions and deferring to team decisions.

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#75 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 12:09PM
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@nathan

Lighten up.

In all reality Omark isnt in the Oilers' plans because they have better options and bigger needs that he might be able to help address in a trade.

I've been having a good time with this Star/Goat business from the get-go.

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#76 Carson
March 23 2012, 12:09PM
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me wrote:

It is sad in some ways, but it had to happen. There are only 12 spots in the NHL and obviously Omark is not going to play on the bottom two lines.

Decisions have to be made and they always won't be easy.

"There are only 12 spots in the NHL and obviously Omark is not going to play on the bottom two lines."

When did this become gospel? I like my Oilers with a lot of offense - that means scoring threats up and down the lineup. Do I see Omark as a top six winger? I guess not, certainly not on the right side with Eberle and Hemsky ahead of him. I do, however, like throwing Omark out with Horcoff and Smyth (2 GP with that line and 2 G) - he's sort of an offensive trump card on a checking line. The Oilers of the 80s were obviously stacked in the top 6, but there was talent bubbling underneath - Ken Linseman, Willy Lindstrom, Mark Napier, Kent Nilsson, Geoff Courtnall, Adam Graves, Petr Klima - imperfect players, but guys who could be a threat in a depth role. Omark's defensive deficiencies (overstated like crazy) should be fairly well covered by his linemates there and they'll benefit from his creativity.

There's been a real push from the media that Omark cannot play bottom six, but I can't see that being in any way true. Where did it come from?

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#77 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 12:14PM
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@Carson

Probably came from the views of the Coaching staff that chose players like Petrell, Jones, and Lander ahead of Omark for 90% of the season.

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#78 Carson
March 23 2012, 12:20PM
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@Archaeologuy

I know you're not an Omark guy, but wouldn't you agree that a degree of skill to go with the "grit" of the bottom six wouldn't exactly be a bad thing? As an Oiler fan, wouldn't you want to have a skilled player (or at least a productive player - ie. Jones) represented on each line?

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#79 knobby
March 23 2012, 12:21PM
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Bizarre is the word alright. Lowe and Tambellini are a toxic pair when it comes to building an NHL team. The rave reviews they have lavished on themselves has been accomplished not by the Oiler future players in development in the minors but a group of solid AHL vets. That is not progress towards the NHL product. Pitlick and Hamilton don't seem to get it.

The arrival of the junior drafted D are years away and I suspect they won't get to the NHL let alone become solid contributors for years. By that time the young stars we have seen the Oilers plunge their organization to the abyss for will have long since become sickened by the incompetence at the management and ownership level and left town. So much for the rebuild.

My lack of hope for the Oil is the surfacing of talk of the desirability of bringing back MacT and Penner. Give me a freaking break. Don't look down your noses at Flames fans folks because the Oiler organization sucks just as badly.

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#80 nathan
March 23 2012, 12:30PM
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Tyler wrote:

Yesterday, Jason Gregor (via Terry Jones via Jack Michaels) gave us the word on what makes Linus Omark happy.

NO OTHER EDMONTON MSM WERE INVOLVED. NONE.

(Funny stuff.)

Yeah. It was Gregor from Jones from Millhouse from Michaels.

@dantencer Linus Omark does not want to play for OKC in the AHL playoffs. "I play better if I'm happy and I'll be more happy at the World's." Retweeted by Terry Jones

@JasonGregor Go listen to the tape. I said, on air, I read it on Jones twitter

@dantencer Just don't want my stuff stolen. That's it. No medal required.

Only thing funnier than Gregor skipping over the twit behind the retweet was Millhouse whining about what other people do with 140 characters.

Odds that either will ever actually include the other guys twitter name in a tweet? Close to zero normally.

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#81 Spydyr
March 23 2012, 12:50PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Certaily entitled to you opinion, but I am not prepared to agree Gagner is soft.

If you say he can be a defensive liability or gets lost in his own end at times, fine. But I do not think of Sam as anything approaching soft.

Not trying to be a jerk and I never played the game at a high level, but from what I know and see Sam is not a soft player. And unless you tell me you have directly experienced something approaching this level of hockey I don't give it a lot of credence. Takes a lot of balls to do some of the stuff he does. Different on the ice than on the couch.

Maybe I should have explained my idea of soft better.

He is soft on the puck.Gets knocked off the puck very easily.Spends lots of time on the ice after getting knocked over.He does not play for long in the hard areas of the ice.Cannot remember him standing in front screening a goalie.He does go to the net but does not stick around in front for long.

As for my hockey experience.Since you asked I was recruited to play senior A but at the time had enough of the game.It was a different era.It was hard seeing teammates going to the hospital almost every game.In my early 20's I played in a league with Concordia and Kings college before they went to The ACAC.So I have some competitive hockey experience.Followed hockey from before kindergarten .May have missed 100 televised Oilers games since they came into the NHL.Still play against kids half my age.

Gagner has heart and try.He does throw the fists once in a while but hey even Gretzky had two fights. Just not strong enough to play with the big boys.Thought that might change as he matured but he still is SOFT on the puck.Way to easy to knock off it.

The team needs size up front or a top four d-man a small forward has to go.You have to trade something to get something.He is my choice to go.

Again it is only my choice.Other have their choices.It is not like any of us here have a say in how things are run.I'm here for enjoyment and to read other opinions.

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#82 nathan
March 23 2012, 12:55PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Lighten up.

In all reality Omark isnt in the Oilers' plans because they have better options and bigger needs that he might be able to help address in a trade.

I've been having a good time with this Star/Goat business from the get-go.

Not exactly light piling onto a MSM torque job. ;) But yeah, goats do need some spinning.

More seriously, he's got more grit than the meme. Doubt they'll get a better option for him and the injury cut down the runway to make the call but it's time to make it.

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#83 Archaeologuy
March 23 2012, 12:55PM
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@Carson

Yes, it would be nice. Except that the way the coaching staff is using that Smyth/Horc line means they go up against the toughs a lot. For the most part Omark hasnt been reliable enough in his own zone for the coaches to be comfortable playing him in that spot. Overstated or not, his mistakes away from the puck have been what's kept him out of the NHL this year.

If the Oilers played more Power Vs Power then I could see Omark having a better chance of making the team on a full time basis.

But really, with Jones and Eager still having time on their contracts, the bottom six jobs arent plentiful either.

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#84 OILERSORDEATH
March 23 2012, 01:01PM
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knobby wrote:

Bizarre is the word alright. Lowe and Tambellini are a toxic pair when it comes to building an NHL team. The rave reviews they have lavished on themselves has been accomplished not by the Oiler future players in development in the minors but a group of solid AHL vets. That is not progress towards the NHL product. Pitlick and Hamilton don't seem to get it.

The arrival of the junior drafted D are years away and I suspect they won't get to the NHL let alone become solid contributors for years. By that time the young stars we have seen the Oilers plunge their organization to the abyss for will have long since become sickened by the incompetence at the management and ownership level and left town. So much for the rebuild.

My lack of hope for the Oil is the surfacing of talk of the desirability of bringing back MacT and Penner. Give me a freaking break. Don't look down your noses at Flames fans folks because the Oiler organization sucks just as badly.

Really?? Pitlick and Hamilton are done uh? First year in Pro hockey dude jesus christ.

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#85 The Soup Fascist
March 23 2012, 01:21PM
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@Spydyr

Fair enough. Perhaps the definition of "soft" is where we disagree. I read it to mean showing a lack of character or courage, which I obviously disagree with as a description for young Sam.

Anyone who is willing to fight a big tough guy like Beauchemin, who could potentially end his career, in defense of his teammate has brass ones IMO.

Physics dictates he will lose some puck battles and if that is your knock I won't disagree. If I was being thin skinned, I apologize. While certainly everyone has their opinion, I get frustrated when people who have never played the game, question the intestinal fortitude of guys who are on the ice in these situations. For example, the guys who mocked Sortini. He was a poor fighter but it still takes guts to face a Parros or a McGratton, even if it turned into a wrestling match.

Obviously that was not your intent. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your comments.

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#86 Oilcan
March 23 2012, 01:33PM
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I like Omark in the lineup but the Oilers as they stand right now don't have a spot for him, I would not play him top 6 cuz we have Eberle and Hemsky and ideally Id like him as a 3rd line guy who can play PP and shootouts, unfortunately our 4th line is not up to snuff yet and our 3rd line with Omark isn't a very good shutdown line.

In a perfect world you would have your top 6 (Lines 1 and 2) Your shutdown line (Put whatever number you want on it) [Like Detroit with Maltby, Draper and Mccarty] and then your development line where guys like Omark can play and you can have guys audition on this semi scoring line.

That is how I would like the Oilers to develop their team.

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#87 Dog Train
March 23 2012, 02:24PM
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I think he's been mismanaged. He has 3 goals in 8 games since returning from OKC and a few of those games have been played on the fourth line. I understand the need to upgrade our size in the top 9 but trading this guy for a mid-round pick seems like a waste. I hate it when we spend so much time developing players like Omark, Brodziak and Cogliano then we turn around and ship them off for next to nothing. Just another reason why we are where we are.

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#88 aeiouY
March 23 2012, 02:29PM
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Dman09 wrote:

Alexandre Giroux in one season scored 106 points in 69 games in the AHL. Just because you play good in the AHL doesn't mean you will be good in the NHL. Wow Omark scored a goal, Horcoff scored 21 goals in 51 games and look where that go the team.

I promise you. If omark played the 22 mins that horcoff plays every night. You would see better production than our captain. Or as brownlee would say G-A-Pts

I don't see the big deal here. Qualify him this summer. Wait for one of our top six to inevitably blow up a season ending injury.... And let's see what we have in him. In a top six role

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#89 David S
March 23 2012, 02:46PM
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@Spydyr

Uhhhh...the disallowed Hemsky goal where Gagner was crashing the net. You must have missed that game. Or the fact he scores alot of his goals right around the blue paint.

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#90 Bleak Winter
March 23 2012, 04:12PM
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tileguy wrote:

WHY IS OMARK GONE? the man has talent, everybody agrees on that. He sees the ice, great along the boards and is a puckhound, defensive play can be taught. Can you imagine him playing on a third line with two coke machines, perhaps one that can stand in front of the net and the other with sweeter hands. Let him go battle along the boards fishing out the puck and finding one of the two, that would make a sweet third line. Throwing away Omark for a third round pick will make sending away Glencross look like a smart move. Glencross got his chance and now is a top 6. Either bundle him for AAA meat or find him line mates.

By that logic, we should be able to trade Omark to the Flames straight up to get Glencross back. All they have to do is give Omark a chance, and they'll win the trade. Plus I think they need help in the shootout, so they should jump on that one. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, I wonder if the Flamers would?

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#91 Scoot the Boot
March 23 2012, 04:39PM
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There are some things in Omark's game that I'm not convinced we need on the team & in the locker room. I think yesterday's game was a perfect example when he tried a few hotdog moves on our beloved ex-Oiler Roli...how beautiful was that little puck-flip and stare-down when Omark failed to pot his shootout attempt?

Love it!!

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#92 michael
March 23 2012, 05:29PM
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Omark would rather play for his country. Good for him. Let him.Draft pick. Sure go ahead. The arguement is that he can't even play on the 29th place team in the league. Perhaps that says something about the players on the 29th place team and not Omark. Unlike some other players who have underperformed and continued to get minutes Omark can't be held accountable for this teams current standing in the league. I can see how Belanger has made this team better this year with his play. Same with eager. And Barker. And so forth. If I am Omark I take my talent and play in the SEL or the KHL.Size matters on this team. Talent? BTW Lowetide what do we consider a fair opportunity to showcase a person talents? 10 games 40 ? 60 ?

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#93 Winnie Cooper
March 23 2012, 11:56PM
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@Dman09

Empty net goals and assists are the worst! If I was in the NLH I'd be like, "Statisticians, don't bother tallying my assists or any EN goals I get. Especially the asists. Those points are for bitches. Only my goals get recorded, by order of me.""

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#94 Chris81
March 24 2012, 07:59AM
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So which job do yu perform better at? One you like or one you don't. Everyone is that way, why should a hockey player be different. If Omark gets more amped to play in the World's than the AHL playoffs, good for him, he's human and not a zombie.

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#95 Slats
March 24 2012, 08:48AM
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flames could use 8 more Linuses

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#96 gcw_rocks
March 24 2012, 10:02AM
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book¡e wrote:

Exactly, its just like people criticized Ron Low for not playing Miro Satan who was a 5th round draft pick who was 23 at the time, forcing Sather to dump him for nothing.

I mean, if Miro Satan could play hockey, Ron Low would have played him, right?

Or better yet, Ray Whitney who was a 25 year old washed up draft pick who couldn't get a regular spot on San Jose and was shipped to the Oilers for peanuts, who then refused to give him a chance and gave him away for nothing.

Really, it's clear Omark is useless so why bother giving him the chance to prove otherwise in a season where your team is 29th?

Idiots!

Well said, sir. Well said.

It should also be noted Renney dresses Hordichuk regularly. Darcy friggin' Hordichuk.

Renney's judgement on who to dress for hockey games is seriously flawed.

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#97 nunyour
March 24 2012, 10:38AM
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Dman09 wrote:

Alexandre Giroux in one season scored 106 points in 69 games in the AHL. Just because you play good in the AHL doesn't mean you will be good in the NHL. Wow Omark scored a goal, Horcoff scored 21 goals in 51 games and look where that go the team.

so why is Hemsky still here? for the short time Omark has been here he seem to be good along the boards and he makes things happen offensively ,lets take a good look so we can make an informed oppion ,thats all im saying

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#98 nunyour
March 24 2012, 11:01AM
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Chris81 wrote:

So which job do yu perform better at? One you like or one you don't. Everyone is that way, why should a hockey player be different. If Omark gets more amped to play in the World's than the AHL playoffs, good for him, he's human and not a zombie.

yes,and if it was Ryan Smyth saying he wanted to play for his country ,the media would be singing his praise.

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#99 Wax Man Riley
March 24 2012, 01:22PM
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Haven't read the comments through, but just in case anybody cares, here is my take:

I like Omark. I like his skill. I like his creativity. I like his swagger. I also agree with Archeologuy (keep in mind I haven't read the comments).

He is not good enough to play ..... on The Oilers. I would rather see him get a shot on another team. He is a bit slow, I see him hesitate with the puck, and above all, he just doesn't really fit in. Ship him off to NYI.

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