OILERS WIN!

Lowetide
April 10 2012 06:45PM

We know now where Edmonton will pick in the 2012 draft (barring trade). Winning the lottery creates all kinds of options. Who is the best prospect available? What's out there? Where do Edmonton's picks come from? Who are the important men in the amateur procurement department?

Stu MacGregor is the Oilers scouting director. His team consists of several men who contribute but rarely get a mention. Leading up to the draft last season, the Oilers published their scouts names and areas they cover. Since it doesn’t happen often, I wanted to take the time to post it so we can know the names of the men doing all this good work.

  • Bill Dandy: QMJHL
  • Brad Davis: OHL, tier 2 leagues in Q and O
  • Kent Hawley: OHL, QMJHL, tier 2 leagues in Q and O
  • Bob Brown: WHL, tier 2 leagues, USHL
  • Jim Crosson: WHL, tier 2 leagues, USHL
  • Scott Harlow: NCAA and American junior leagues (east coast)
  • Frank Musil: Europe
  • Pelle Eklund: Europe
  • Robert Nordmark: Europe
  • Stu MacGregor: WHL, cross checks the world

I believe the list to be correct along with their areas of coverage. We do know that the Oilers like to get their scouts in front of the top candidates and that MacGregor will have seen these players multiple times.

OILERS DRAFT TRENDS-SOME REAL LOOKERS!

Stu MacGregor--since becoming scouting director before the 2008 draft--has changed the Oilers' draft may. He is using precious early picks on Swedes. Since taking over in 2008, two first round picks, one 2nd rder and a fourth round selection have been used on Swedish prospects. For the record, this is where Stu's team shops at the entry draft:

  1. WHL: 10 (most recent: RNH, Musil, Ewanyk)
  2. Sweden: 4 (most recent: Klefbom)
  3. Finland: 4 (most recent: Perhonen and Tuohimaa)
  4. QMJHL: 3 (most recent Jeremie Blain)
  5. OHL: 3 (most recent: Tobias Rieder)
  6. BCJHL: 2 (most recent: Kellen Jones)
  7. NCAA: 2 (most recent: Dillon Simpson)
  8. Slovakia: 2 (most recent: Martin Gernat)
  9. Belarus: 1 (most recent: Kristians Pelss)
  10. USHS: 1 (most recent: Troy Hesketh)

WHL represents 31% and the entire CHL accounts for 50% of the selections. Sweden and Finland are CHL east and 25% of the selections come from those two countries. Three quarters of the MBS era picks come from the CHL and Swe/Fin. Add the two BCJHL selections into the group and there’s a pattern forming after 4 seasons of this drafting team.

Reading the tea leaves, there’s a good chance that the WHL, OHL, QMJHL, Sweden, Finland and tier 2 junior (BCJHL, AJHL, USHL, etc) will be hotbeds for the Oilers.

An interesting scenario exists with regard to Russians. Edmonton has steered clear since 2008 but that may change with two CHL draft eligibles from the Motherland. Nail Yakupov and Milhail Grigorenko are outstanding young talents and should go at or near the top of the draft.

After winning the lottery tonight, Edmonton's choices are threefold: take the BPA (Yakupov), trade the pick or select someone #1 overall who is not the best player available.

Early thoughts: take the Russian, don't look back.

Bob McKenzie's top 10

  1. NAIL YAKUPOV
  2. MIKHAIL GRIGORENKO
  3. RYAN MURRAY
  4. FILIP FORSBERG
  5. MATT DUMBA
  6. ALEX GALCHENYUK
  7. JACOB TROUBA
  8. GRIFFIN REINHART
  9. MORGAN REILLY
  10. RADEK FAKSA
  11. TEUVO TERAVAINEN

Nail Yakupov lays it all out about Team Canada after Russia beats them 6-5 in the 2012 World Junior Hockey Championships in Calgary

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Kid loves to win and has ridiculous skill. Hall-Eberle, Nuge-Nail? Lordy.

Next up: NHL equivalencies.

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#201 madjam
April 11 2012, 07:25AM
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If Tams remains as GM , i fully expect him to hold onto draft with Yakupov . As his tenure is likely 2 more years , there will be little pressure for him to make playoffs again next year . The year after , however , he will have to make an attempt . Of course next years futility draft has a few dandies to consider as well . About the only trade of first pick might be with Howson for Nash and second overall pick (being Ryan Murray or Dumba ) - which i doubt Howson will do .

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#202 andrewmk20
April 11 2012, 08:50AM
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@db7db7db7

Not going to happen. Shea Weber's skill set is incredibly rare. A 6'5 230lbs defenceman with a top 3 shot from the point, skates very well for a dman his size, has a decent pass, thinks the game well at both ends, and plays extremely hard and aggressive. Suter is more likely to move than Weber and I still don't think that's going to happen if Poile can help it. Depending on the CBA and how it comes through is really all that is probably stalling negotiations which is probably true with the other 29 NHL teams and their inpending UFAs and RFAs.

Also if they were going to deal Suter it wouldn't be for a question mark top 6 forward with a history of shoulder problems, another top 6 forward who is solid but not great, and a defenceman who could potentially be a ankle twist away from being gone long term from playing. For a dman of the calibre of Suter a team only takes back sure things. Just think about the asking price for Rick Nash and Suter has to command more than that because he is a franchise cornerstone player and a elite defenceman who has helped keep his team relevant each year despite lacking high end talent up front.

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#203 Woogie
April 11 2012, 08:51AM
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Hemsky is not going anywhere. He has a NTC!!!

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#204 andrewmk20
April 11 2012, 08:52AM
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Sorry meant Weber in the second paragraph. I guess my brain and fingers just couldn't fathom the deal.

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#205 dougtheslug
April 11 2012, 09:08AM
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@DSF

This guy is a riot! After months of touting the Florida Panther model of success (the most unsuccessful franchise in NHL history, a team that made the playoffs despite losing 6 more games than they won) , he has now shifted gears and is promoting the LA Kings method, (which has produced exactly zero Stanley Cups in their 45 year history), a team thar limped into this years playoffs in eighth place, with the second worst offence in the league. And he continues to lecture Oilers Nation on his brilliant insight that the Oil need better defence. As if we didn't know that since Pronger left town. Troll on, mighty DSF! And good luck with that Panther-King final. Vegas odds list it at 250-1. About the odds of your posts being taken seriously.

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#206 Bryzarro World
April 11 2012, 09:08AM
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Woogie wrote:

Hemsky is not going anywhere. He has a NTC!!!

Ummm.. No he doesn't genius

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#207 Bryzarro World
April 11 2012, 09:11AM
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@DSF

My name is Domingo Anti-Troll, you killed my father, prepare to die.

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#208 Woogie
April 11 2012, 09:15AM
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Bryzarro World wrote:

Ummm.. No he doesn't genius

Slap me silly and call me Sally.

You are correct!

Bow my head in shame.

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#209 Dipstick
April 11 2012, 09:22AM
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Losing the 82nd game to the Nucks 3-0, doesn't seem to hurt so bad any more.

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#210 Red
April 11 2012, 09:42AM
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I like how everyone is so eager to throw Hemsky under the bus, again, after he skips becoming a UFA.

The way I see it, MPS is the one who should be sweating not Hemsky.

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#211 Harlie
April 11 2012, 09:42AM
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Calgary misses playoffs - Check

Toronto misses playoffs - Check

Oilkings make second round of playoffs - Check

Phoenix makes playoffs on the back of Ray Whitney - Check!

Oilers draft first or second - Check!!

http://oilersnation.com/2012/4/1/gdp-79-californication/page/1

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#212 Oilertown
April 11 2012, 09:44AM
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DSF wrote:

You don't know much about hockey, do you?

And neither do you you dolt everyone is so sick of you DSF. Why don't you go back to cheering for whatever team it is you do loser.

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#213 Oilertown
April 11 2012, 09:45AM
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Seriously your not a fan of the Oilers we ALL got that. So buzz off and take your lame hockey knowledge with you.

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#214 mayorpoop
April 11 2012, 09:47AM
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Oilertown wrote:

And neither do you you dolt everyone is so sick of you DSF. Why don't you go back to cheering for whatever team it is you do loser.

i actually don't mind when DSF posts. although his arguements and theory may seem weak and mis-guided it is no moreso than many others on here. he does make some valid points.

and i never see him squee...or whatever. that i don't get. call me a stick in the mud.

keep it up DSF you provide fodder for the masses to complain about.

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#215 Oilertown
April 11 2012, 10:04AM
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mayorpoop wrote:

i actually don't mind when DSF posts. although his arguements and theory may seem weak and mis-guided it is no moreso than many others on here. he does make some valid points.

and i never see him squee...or whatever. that i don't get. call me a stick in the mud.

keep it up DSF you provide fodder for the masses to complain about.

That's about all he brings. I am with the masses of take Yakupov and do whatever you have to do to bring in Schultz kid and 1 more quality D.

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#216 nofool6110
April 11 2012, 10:24AM
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Grab the Yak.

Wait for Gene's inevitable Hemmer and Nail pun for all of the year.

Slowly cry.

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#217 mayorpoop
April 11 2012, 10:25AM
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@Oilertown

i agree with the take Yakupov crowd as well.

"if you build it they will come"*

*and by "it" i mean a winning team. and by "they"* i am hoping free-agents/trades.

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#218 Team Hall
April 11 2012, 10:28AM
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This was our stanley cup. What a victory. We are setting up for some stanley runs in the future.

I would take the simple approach, draft world class Nail, and then start to look at the defense. Doobie looks to deserve a shot in goal, so we may not have to worry about that position next year.

The only area to focus on will be defense, and maybe another big forward.

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#219 Jeavy
April 11 2012, 10:31AM
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Does anybody who is debating drafting or trading know Yakupov broke stamkos junior records. Ill take a 50 goal scorer everyday.

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#220 Jason
April 11 2012, 10:43AM
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I think you have to take Nail Yakupov. Undisputed top pick in the draft, tons of skill and a high ceiling, he's just too good to pass up. You have to take him.

But it gives the Oilers some options to move some players without it really affecting your offense. I'm kind of with a few other people here who think that this might spell the end for one of Gagner or Paajarvi. I'm less convinced that Hemsky is leaving town, partly due to the fact he is older, and partly due to the fact I'm not sure he brings in as much right now in return.

I'm also not convinced that we need to trade a forward for a defenseman. We've got a lot of young guys that are a few years away in juniors, Europe, and the AHL, and this summer there is a very high number of good to great defenseman available through free agency. If the Oilers can trade and sign for Justin Schultz and land one of Suter, Carle, or Jackman, their defense is just fine.

What I'd be looking for is a second line center who can score, who plays with sandpaper and has a physical nature to his game, and who is strong defensively. I've mentioned him a few times, but one guy I'd target is Brandon Dubinsky.

Say you move Paajarvi for Dubinsky.
Say you buyout Horcoff with the Amnesty provision that is expected.
Say you sign a couple of defenseman.

How does this look moving into next season?

Yakupov / Nugent-Hopkins / Eberle
Hall / Dubinsky / Hemsky
Smyth / Gagner / Jones
Petrell / _______ / Hartikainen

Ex. Belanger, Hordichuk

Suter / Petry
Smid / Whitney
N. Schultz / J. Schultz

The nice part about that 1/2 punch is that the first line could take those easier minutes, while the second line should be able to capable handle the "hard minutes" that Horcoff had previously had the burden of carrying.

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#221 DSF
April 11 2012, 10:58AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

This guy is a riot! After months of touting the Florida Panther model of success (the most unsuccessful franchise in NHL history, a team that made the playoffs despite losing 6 more games than they won) , he has now shifted gears and is promoting the LA Kings method, (which has produced exactly zero Stanley Cups in their 45 year history), a team thar limped into this years playoffs in eighth place, with the second worst offence in the league. And he continues to lecture Oilers Nation on his brilliant insight that the Oil need better defence. As if we didn't know that since Pronger left town. Troll on, mighty DSF! And good luck with that Panther-King final. Vegas odds list it at 250-1. About the odds of your posts being taken seriously.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Tallon is finished building his team.

That he was able to take them from last in the conference to the division championship in one offseason while retaining the best prospect depth in the game and huge amounts of free cap space is laudable.

As his young defense (Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ellerby, Petrovic and Robak) matures and he adds young forwards like Huberdeau, Howden, Bjudstad, Grimaldi and McFarland to the mix, the Panthers are set to be a powerhouse for a very long time.

As for the Kings, any smart hockey guy will tell you that success often hinges on adding just the right piece at just the right time.

The Kings goal scoring took off as soon as Jeff Carter arrived since it made it much more difficult for the opposition to key on the Kopitar line with Carter and Richards posing another serious threat.

For example, after the trade deadline, Dustin Brown scored 19 points in 20 games.

Kopitar scored 25 points in those same 19 games.

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#222 Quicksilver ballet
April 11 2012, 11:04AM
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Adding a 35-50 goal scorer next season without having to give anything up, puts the Oilers in a playoff spot next season.

With 83,89,91,6,24 etc etc etc available along with the first in 2013, the Oilers should be able to find a #1 or #2 d'man kind of help in time for next season.

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#223 Mouse
April 11 2012, 11:15AM
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DSF wrote:

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Tallon is finished building his team.

That he was able to take them from last in the conference to the division championship in one offseason while retaining the best prospect depth in the game and huge amounts of free cap space is laudable.

As his young defense (Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ellerby, Petrovic and Robak) matures and he adds young forwards like Huberdeau, Howden, Bjudstad, Grimaldi and McFarland to the mix, the Panthers are set to be a powerhouse for a very long time.

As for the Kings, any smart hockey guy will tell you that success often hinges on adding just the right piece at just the right time.

The Kings goal scoring took off as soon as Jeff Carter arrived since it made it much more difficult for the opposition to key on the Kopitar line with Carter and Richards posing another serious threat.

For example, after the trade deadline, Dustin Brown scored 19 points in 20 games.

Kopitar scored 25 points in those same 19 games.

I have to agree DSF isn't that far off. I don't think Florida forwards have anyone on the level of our top 4 (Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Nail), I think Huberdeau is a little overrated, but their D is looking good for the future. They have an upcoming goalie stud in Markstrom, but with their forwards I see them more as a next generation of Nashville, not a powerhouse.

Our D is lacking, but I think we should take the Vancouver approach, which I see as no real number 1 stud, but lots of good 2/3/4 defensemen. We need another 2, but Petry could be a 2, Whitney (I don't think he is done) a 3, Smid and Schultz are solid 4's and integral to the D, then Sutton can fill the 6 spot with Potter and Peckham to cover. So add a good #2 to that mix and we actually have a pretty good defense. That is predicated on Whitney coming back and getting a #2 (don't know where from).

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#224 MrCondor
April 11 2012, 11:17AM
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If you want to trade Yakupov, fine. But do it after he has played for 3 years.

The draft pick isn't worth as much as a refined NHL player. Let your assets appreciate then make a move. It's not like we are winning the cup next year anyways, so hold your horses if you're in the trade camp.

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#225 Clyde Frog
April 11 2012, 11:19AM
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@DSF

Yeah...

The Panther's young defense aren't exactly lighting it up, their #3 overall pick was -19, the others put up non-stellar boxcars. Their 2 best producers were Campbell and Garrison who weren't drafted by them...

So what your saying is the Oilers should focus on University signings and finding a decenet defenseman via trade to give our developing prospects room to grow and mature?

Ok... I don't see how the Oiler's can't do this and draft Yakupov, have a much better forward group and compete in a division where sub .500 teams don't win their division.

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#226 Bi-Curious Gord
April 11 2012, 11:27AM
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We need Niall because the one thing that this team lacks is some Communist Flair. Well, the team lacks about a half dozen other things but---- you can't trade for Russian Ruthlessness- the disregard for human life and a general hatred of all things that prevent victory.

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#227 andrewmk20
April 11 2012, 11:48AM
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@Clyde Frog

Not to mention Mike Weaver who is an undrafted free agent and has turned out well for them. But this is a pleasant surprise because based upon his numbers this was a cheap depth signing at a time when Florida had a poor defence.

Also I think Kulikov was drafted before Tallon's time. I'm not saying he's terrible but he's far from being Ken Holland, David Poile, Ray Shero, and Mike Gillis who have been able to sustain their hockey teams and continue to be winners. Chicago is still a pretty good team but outside of their 2010 Cup season they've been up and down and have hardly been considered among the elite clubs.

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#228 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 12:05PM
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@DSF

The problem I see with using Tallon and Florida as the model franchise is that they did exactly what the Oilers are doing. They sucked for so long, which allowed them to get one of the best prospect pools in the NHL. And now the cap is our new best friend. It looks like The Oilers ARE following the Florida method.

If we are lucky, Tambo gets the boot after amassing the talented prospects and MacT comes in (or another GM, or a trained chimp, or an untrained chimp, or maybe a pylon), and actually finds some veteran help. I can't help but feel a lot of Florida's players played above their heads this season and I think it can be seen with their 18 OTL points.

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#229 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 12:07PM
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Jeavy wrote:

Does anybody who is debating drafting or trading know Yakupov broke stamkos junior records. Ill take a 50 goal scorer everyday.

Yakupov HAS to be drafted. If Tambo trades the pick he is trading Hall or RNH. And nobody wants to see them go.

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#230 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 12:10PM
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Bi-Curious Gord wrote:

We need Niall because the one thing that this team lacks is some Communist Flair. Well, the team lacks about a half dozen other things but---- you can't trade for Russian Ruthlessness- the disregard for human life and a general hatred of all things that prevent victory.

In mother Russia, the goals score you!

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#231 Oiler Al
April 11 2012, 12:10PM
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Here's a fantasy trade for you:

Oilers trade- Hemsky, Omark, and Gagner to the Blue Jackets in exchange for their 2 nd pick in this years draft.. Oiler could then pick Gaylenchuk? and have him team up with yA

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#232 Oiler Al
April 11 2012, 12:12PM
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Here's a fantasy trade for you:

Oilers trade- Hemsky, Omark, and Gagner to the Blue Jackets in exchange for their 2 nd pick in this years draft.. Oiler could then pick Gaylenchuk? and have him team up with Yakapov to play on the same line.

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#233 Word
April 11 2012, 12:47PM
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@DSF

"Are Hall, Eberle, Hopkins, Hemsky and Yakupov better than Kopitar, Brown, Williams, Richards and Carter?" - Yes, but they're very different players...

"Is Whitney better than Doughty?" - Of course not.

"Is Smid any better than Greene?" - Good lord, yes.

"Is Dubnyk better the Quick?" - No

"Is Khabibulin better than Bernier?" - Heh.

I like this game. Do it again.

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#234 DSF
April 11 2012, 12:52PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

The problem I see with using Tallon and Florida as the model franchise is that they did exactly what the Oilers are doing. They sucked for so long, which allowed them to get one of the best prospect pools in the NHL. And now the cap is our new best friend. It looks like The Oilers ARE following the Florida method.

If we are lucky, Tambo gets the boot after amassing the talented prospects and MacT comes in (or another GM, or a trained chimp, or an untrained chimp, or maybe a pylon), and actually finds some veteran help. I can't help but feel a lot of Florida's players played above their heads this season and I think it can be seen with their 18 OTL points.

Tallon blew up the team when he arrived in May 2010.

Tambellini is still taking out the trash (and adding more, see Barker, Cam)and he's been on the job since July 2008.

While Tallon did have a couple of nice prospects in his quiver already, he also turned his trash into more draft picks and then went out and traded for/signed a competitive hockey team.

I agree things could turn around if Tambellini is sacked but I wouldn't bet on that.

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#235 DSF
April 11 2012, 12:54PM
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Word wrote:

"Are Hall, Eberle, Hopkins, Hemsky and Yakupov better than Kopitar, Brown, Williams, Richards and Carter?" - Yes, but they're very different players...

"Is Whitney better than Doughty?" - Of course not.

"Is Smid any better than Greene?" - Good lord, yes.

"Is Dubnyk better the Quick?" - No

"Is Khabibulin better than Bernier?" - Heh.

I like this game. Do it again.

Talk to me when the Oiler forwards actually produce more than the LA bunch.

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#236 Bucknuck
April 11 2012, 12:56PM
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Boy, I was sure in a great mood about the Oilers picking first. I woke this morning feeling invigorated, and so I came on here wanting to read all the excited banter. I wanted to feel good about being an oiler fan (which is rare these days).

So I read through all of these comments and now I regret it. There are three things that got rid of my smile this morning.

1. Can someone please punt the trolls. Everyone knows who they are. Get rid.

2. People talk about the Oilers being classless and the management being the most classless. I know that signing someone (Hemsky) to a two year contract extension and then trading that player before it even comes into effect is CLASSLESS. It's not even an option. It won't happen. Even Tambellini isn't that ignorant.

3. There is a lot of speculation that Yakupov is the most talented player to be available at the draft since Crosby. If they make a trade, it probably shouldn't be for this kid. If he's as good as they say, then the Oil lose the trade no matter who the trade bait is.

4. It occurred to me that most people in the know really think Tambellini is sticking around, and he doesn't inspire confidence. IF they re-up his contract then I will throw a fit, but after that the only way he can redeem himself in my eyes is to get a different goalie to back up Dubnyk.

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#237 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 11 2012, 01:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Talk to me when the Oiler forwards actually produce more than the LA bunch.

You're on overdrive the last few days, must have made you crazy when you seen the Oil won the lotto and will be (most likely) adding another elite forward.

Poor guy has to try and take out his frustration on the rest of us.

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#238 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 01:17PM
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DSF wrote:

Tallon blew up the team when he arrived in May 2010.

Tambellini is still taking out the trash (and adding more, see Barker, Cam)and he's been on the job since July 2008.

While Tallon did have a couple of nice prospects in his quiver already, he also turned his trash into more draft picks and then went out and traded for/signed a competitive hockey team.

I agree things could turn around if Tambellini is sacked but I wouldn't bet on that.

Yep. That's why I think now is the time to bring in that chimp (or Pylon or MacT etc...).

But sadly, I wouldn't bet on it either. 2 years ago I said Tambo had his work cut out for him. The mass exodus and ego kick this city took after Heatly, Pronger, etc... left a mess for him and I htought it was fine to have him in charge as any GM would be up the creek.

2 years later and I see Tambo for his dithering, weak public image and (IMO) weak negotiating skills, backed up by that mouse Ricky "er....umm... possibly...um ..maybe...a 3rd year" Olczyk.

Tambo served his purpose and KLowe and Katz are looking like geniuses putting him in charge to stock the cupboards and establish an AHL franchise, but this year is the year to take a step forward.

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#239 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 01:20PM
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@Bucknuck

Tough to get excited after seeing soooo many losses.

3 words make me happy tho:

Yak. U. Pov.

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#240 Clyde Frog
April 11 2012, 01:23PM
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DSF wrote:

Talk to me when the Oiler forwards actually produce more than the LA bunch.

Okay, your told... Did you even check the stats?

Eberly == Kopitar = 76 points

Hall (53 pts - 61 games) - Williams (59 pts - 82 games)

RNH (52 pts - 62 games) - Brown (53 pts - 82 games)

Gagner (47 pts - 75 games) - Richards (44 pts - 74 games)

We have 9 players over 30 pts they have 5, we have Yakupov on the way, they don't...

Hall and Hopkins almost outscored Williams and Brown while playing 20 less games...

Yeah... So again do you even check stats?

Your trolling skills are magnificient, but honestly your starting to sound around 10 years old...

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#241 Old Soldier
April 11 2012, 01:54PM
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I posted this on another thread but thought it suits this one as well.

I have followed this site and most of the posters on it with a fair amount of admiration and respect, impressed with the knowledge most of the people on here have shown as fans. But I seriously have to question that on the issue of trading the #1 pick.

Lindros aside (everyone knows that was an one time event), are we really ready to follow the Isles and Panthers and the history of trading top/#1 picks. We have needs, that is why we are 29th, but like them or hate them, management has done its best to fill the system with plugs for those, especially on D and in goal. Most rate our system as one of, if not the best as far as depth, but other than the top 3 we have now, there is little offensive depth in our system.

To me there is a simple logic to things, which scenario is the least likely to fail. Drafting a player who is recognized as the hands down best player in the draft, or taking the risk of trading a great player, for a couple good players. We in Edmonton, above all other teams, historically should know that you can never have enough offensive weapons.

I do hope we draft Yakupov, look into seeing if Hall is a possibility at center(take some of the risk out of his game) to play with Yakupov, keep Ebs and RNH together, and then find two mean ass wingers to play with those two lines. I dont see how that can fail.

If that were to work out, we now have Gagner, Hemsky, Omark, MPS, Belanger, Eager, Peckham, and others to package into deals to fill those holes.

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#242 DSF
April 11 2012, 03:07PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Okay, your told... Did you even check the stats?

Eberly == Kopitar = 76 points

Hall (53 pts - 61 games) - Williams (59 pts - 82 games)

RNH (52 pts - 62 games) - Brown (53 pts - 82 games)

Gagner (47 pts - 75 games) - Richards (44 pts - 74 games)

We have 9 players over 30 pts they have 5, we have Yakupov on the way, they don't...

Hall and Hopkins almost outscored Williams and Brown while playing 20 less games...

Yeah... So again do you even check stats?

Your trolling skills are magnificient, but honestly your starting to sound around 10 years old...

Career highs:

Eberle - 76 PTS Kopitar - 81 PTS

Hall - 53 PTS Williams - 76 PTS

RNH - 52 PTS Richards - 80 PTS

Gagner - 49 PTS Carter - 84 PTS

Hemsky - 71 PTS Brown - 60 points (33 goals)

Looks like someone needs to look past small sample sizes.

They don't have Yakupov on the way but they do have:

Tyler Toffoli - 100PTS in 65 OHL games. (2nd in the league)

Jordan Weal - 116 PTS in 70 WHL games (5th in league scoring)

Linden Vey - 41 PTS as an AHL rookie

Appears to me the Kings are superior at every level.

The young Oilers may surpass some of them but it certainly hasn't happened yet.

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#243 Bucknuck
April 11 2012, 04:04PM
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@DSF

The LA Kings are the better team right now, so are 28 other teams. You can look at all those teams and see that they performed better. So what? What's the point?

LA had to suck for years before they got better, so did PIttsburg, so did Chicago. Edmonton is very good at sucking, it remains to be seen if they can get better. Looking at what other teams did to get better is useful. Comparing our present crew of suck to a playoff team is just kind of ridiculous.

What the successful teams did was to draft well and then plug the holes that existed in their roster to complement their talent. Stu has done the first part of that, now it's the GM's turn to plug the holes.

The thing that scares me is that the same holes existed three years ago: Goaltending and Defense.

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#244 michael
April 11 2012, 04:38PM
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I got so wasted last night after celebrating the the first pick that I woke up this morning with a different wife, a hangover and a tatoo of Nail Yakupov on my ass. Thats what half of OilersNation is waking up to this morning. Me on the other hand I woke up to my wife of 14 years and TheOilers are still drafting number 1. I am so stoked. The Hockey Gods smile on us. The one thing Harlie needs to add to the checklist is Justin Shultz signed. Then I will be happy withthe checklist.

Just remembered. Hahaaaaa. Calgary your picking 14th. Just don't know when to quit.

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#245 DSF
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Bucknuck wrote:

The LA Kings are the better team right now, so are 28 other teams. You can look at all those teams and see that they performed better. So what? What's the point?

LA had to suck for years before they got better, so did PIttsburg, so did Chicago. Edmonton is very good at sucking, it remains to be seen if they can get better. Looking at what other teams did to get better is useful. Comparing our present crew of suck to a playoff team is just kind of ridiculous.

What the successful teams did was to draft well and then plug the holes that existed in their roster to complement their talent. Stu has done the first part of that, now it's the GM's turn to plug the holes.

The thing that scares me is that the same holes existed three years ago: Goaltending and Defense.

That was my point. Exactly.

The nonsense that the Oilers are poised to become a great team just because they've drafted first overall three years in a row gets old very quickly.

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#246 Clyde Frog
April 11 2012, 06:49PM
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@DSF

Lol, you said talk to me when they outscore the kings forwards...

They did in less games, so I talked to you. Now you are comparing Career highs of 26+ year olds to sub 21 year olds... Yeah, that works.

Especially listing their career highs on other teams...

I compared this year head to head, guess what? You lost.

Hey how bout you cherry pick some more? Also drooling over 19-20 year old OHL/WHL numbers? Martindale and Hamilton were both 80+ point players OMG!

yah, most definitely those Kings are just amazing.

I hear they have a fan site you can go post on. Otherwise troll on, silly cheeto loving troll.

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#247 DSF
April 11 2012, 07:23PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Lol, you said talk to me when they outscore the kings forwards...

They did in less games, so I talked to you. Now you are comparing Career highs of 26+ year olds to sub 21 year olds... Yeah, that works.

Especially listing their career highs on other teams...

I compared this year head to head, guess what? You lost.

Hey how bout you cherry pick some more? Also drooling over 19-20 year old OHL/WHL numbers? Martindale and Hamilton were both 80+ point players OMG!

yah, most definitely those Kings are just amazing.

I hear they have a fan site you can go post on. Otherwise troll on, silly cheeto loving troll.

Guess you don't understand the concept "small sample size".

Remember when Paajarvi scored 15 goals last season? How's he doing this season?

Smart people like to see results over a longer period of time before assessing a players value.

People who aren't so smart can't figure that out.

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#248 Clyde Frog
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@DSF

No its quite easy to get, but you do know I answered what you asked, right? Just because you change the criteria after the fact doesn't change how wrong you are.

Also comparing 2nd year kids to 7 year vets begs for small sample sizes, because well the body of work is different. Or should we allow RNH and Halls 100+ junior seasons in just to even out the sample size on both sides.

Further to that how do you have an argument if you can't compare the CURRENT season? Lol... Yup, you totally convinced me, if LA can just field 2008 Carter and Richards, 2009 Kopitar, 2008 Brown, 2005 Williams they would totally crush the current Oilers in production! Oh yeah... Lol, please tell you actually know how ridiculous that is, right? Your trolling skills are awesome, but come on...

If you want to compare bests though, why don't we trade for Gomez? He could be had for a song and had an awesome season once! Same with Nash!

If you want to compare ACTUAL performance of this ACTUAL year, like you said originaly you lose.

If you want to play look who has vets that performed some point in their long career than a 21 year old, well you win. Good on you, may I refer you to http://www.letsgokings.com/forum.php where you can discuss the merits of the Kings amazing everything?

You are a pro-star bud, absolute pro-star.

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#249 Wax Man Riley
April 11 2012, 10:32PM
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@Clyde Frog

You are a pro-star bud, absolute pro-star.

Pro-star? Can I be a Pro-Star too?

I want to be Gretzky. He was always hungry. I used to laugh.

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#250 Stocc
April 13 2012, 09:07PM
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Nice, Wax Man with dots... Very nice.

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