The Edmonton Oilers Should Sign Josh Harding This Summer

Jonathan Willis
April 26 2012 07:37AM

Minnesota Wild goaltender Josh Harding earned $750,000 in 2011-12 as the backup to Niklas Backstrom. He’s an unrestricted free agent this summer, and the Oilers should give serious thought to bringing him aboard in time for next season.

But wait! The Oilers already have two goalies under contract for next season! Fortunately, there’s a simple solution to that: buyout Nikolai Khabibulin. A Khabibulin buyout makes sense, not only from a roster perspective, but also from a financial one. Bring Josh Harding in as his replacement.

The Oilers and Harding are a good fit for each other in a few ways. Let’s start with why the Oilers could use Harding.

At 27 years of age, Harding fits with the Oilers core group of players, and if all goes well could spend the next decade as an NHL goaltender. He’s a good goalie now; his save percentage for the woeful Minnesota Wild this season was a sparkling 0.917, and over 117 NHL games he’s posted a career 0.916 SV%.

Given his youth and proven level of NHL ability, Harding would give the Oilers a second strong option in net. This is desirable for a few different reasons. First, the competition for playing time would undoubtedly help push both Harding and Dubnyk. Second, redundancy in goal is always a good thing – in the event one guy gets hurt or struggles, there’s always a second capable guy around to help shoulder the load.

One of the underrated strengths of the glory years Oilers was their depth in net; early on the team had Andy Moog and Grant Fuhr splitting time in net; later on they had Fuhr and Bill Ranford. In all of Fuhr’s years with the Oilers, only once did he play more than 60 games – in 1987-88, when Moog left to play for the Canadian National Team until the Oilers sent him to Boston for Ranford and Geoff Courtnall.

Obviously, it’s far too early to compare a Dubnyk/Harding tandem to Fuhr/Moog, but there’s no denying the value of having a backup who can play regularly.

Still, if Harding has an attractive combination of talent and (relative) youth, why would he be interested in playing in Edmonton?

Part of the reason is the NHL goalie market: the simple fact is that there are more competent goalies available than there are job openings, particularly when the trade market is taken into account.

Beyond that, Harding’s injury history is a big risk for a team looking at him as a starter. A knee injury cost Harding the entire 2010-11 season. He’s missed time with both hip injuries and head injuries, and given that a team might hesitate when penciling him in for 60+ starts.

Edmonton is the perfect middle ground. Harding’s career save percentage is better than that of Devan Dubnyk, and he’d stand a decent shot at taking the starting gig away if he signed with the Oilers, and even if he didn’t he’d still undoubtedly play regularly. Because the Oilers already have Dubnyk, they’d be more willing to gamble on Harding’s health than a team with an untrusted backup would. The Oilers have also done a good job – with Martin Gerber and then Yann Danis – of having a third-string goalie who can play the last few years, so it’s reasonable to expect they’d be prepared in case of injury.

It seems like a situation that would work well for both parties.

This week by Jonathan Willis at Oilers Nation

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 TrentonL
April 26 2012, 01:04PM
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Infinibuild wrote:

JW - why the obsession with replacing Khabby? All year(s) you have used stats to point out how bad he is. Fine. But really who cares. The organizations clear plan was to flounder this year, get another top pick, and develop Dubnyk. Check, check and check.

You have stated before that you don't think this is a playoff team in 2012-2013. So then, what is the rush with shuttling out Khabby? Why should the team care about it at all? Are you suggesting they can make a playoff run in 2013? If not, what is the reason for wanting him out so bad. To save Katz 1.25 million?? Who cares. Do we have UFAs lining up that we are unable to sign because of cap problems?

I just can't see the downside to keeping Khabby as the backup. Unless you think this team is ready to turn the corner and become a playoff contender. But I believe you've stated that isn't going to happen this year. So I'm unclear on the reasoning.

The Oilers should spend 110% of their focus, energy, assets and time on addressing the D. It would help the goalie stats a lot more than burning bridges buying out Khabby and shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic by getting Harding.

Am I missing something? You seem to have an irrational desire to get Khabby out. Fine, we accept he is bad, but hardly the main issue with this team. Why spend time debating the merits of trading or buying out your backup goalie?

You are missing a lot here buddy.

Whether or not JW thinks this is a playoff team (not likely with ST at the helm making bonehead moves) the goal should not be to fail for a 7th straight year. This team could be improved to have a shot at the playoffs and fixing the sub par goaltending provided by Khabibulin is definitely part of the solution, along with fixing the D, and getting a Pisani style (note not actually Pisani) veteran winger to round out the forwards.

Here are some downsides of keeping NK for you: -Hall wants to win, NK makes that less likely. Why disgruntle your best player and future? -What message does it send to the team that no matter how badly you play you don't get shipped out? -Why would free agents want to come to a team that continually places in the bottom tier of the league? -Edmonton was 19th in SA but 23rd in GA. That that means goaltending is just as big an issue as defence. You, along with an astonishing number of posters seem to have an irrational desire to defend the likes of Khabibulin, Tambellini er al and enjoy being the laughingstock of the league year after year.

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#52 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 26 2012, 01:09PM
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@ db7db7db7

It's not about saving cap space, it's about winning hockey games.... you know ...the actual goal of league.

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#53 TrentonL
April 26 2012, 01:09PM
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db7db7db7 wrote:

What a useless thread.

If we buyout Khabby, we save $0 in cap space in any year. The only reason to buy him out might be if Katz is running low on funds.

SEASON SALARY CAP HIT BUYOUT SAVINGS B/O CAP HIT 12-13 3.75M 3.75M 1.25M 2.5M 3.75M 13-14 $0 $0 1.25M -1.25M $0

There is more to it than cap hit obviously. Khabibulin is a downgrade from other available options as JW has demonstrated.

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#54 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 26 2012, 01:19PM
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@ Infinibuild

"I still can't imagine how signing a mutli-year deal with Harding helps us more than riding out 1 more year Khabby and deciding in the future how to address goaltending."

An ironic statement considering the name you post under.

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#55 rindog
April 26 2012, 02:53PM
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Making the playoffs should be the goal next year. Competing IN the playoffs will be the goal the year after...

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#56 stevezie
April 26 2012, 03:06PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

At that point we might as well promote Danis. A vetern but not ancient guy familiar with the organization who just won the AHL's Vezina. I'd be surprised if he's not backing up someone in the NHL next year. Not shocked, but surprised.

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#57 50 in 39
April 26 2012, 03:43PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I am all for internal competition and I do favor bringing in a quality back-up goalie but it seems that every time Dubnyk has to compete for playing time he doesn't play particularly well.

When Khabi proves himself to be unplayable anymore then Dubnyk starts to play well.

Maybe he plays better the more he plays, maybe he doesn't have the mental strength to be a starting goaltender (he has never played a single NHL game under pressure), or maybe this all just the peaks and valleys of his development.

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#58 godot10
April 26 2012, 04:55PM
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Josh Harding would want too much money and duration, and has only played in one organization. You would be taking the Mike-Smith-Tampa risk or Bryzgalov-in-Philly risk Mike Smith is all-world for Tippett, and a bum for everybody else. Josh Harding is NOT Craig Anderson, who had good advanced stats as a backup for multiple organizations.

Stay in-house. Just sign Yann Danis to backup Dubnyk. And another Danis clone for OKC.

Clemmenson can probably be had for cheaper and shorter duration than Harding.

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#59 RexLibris
April 26 2012, 05:46PM
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One could argue that Khabibulin's play/injuries over the length of his contract has directly contributed to the team's acquisition of Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and, to a lesser extent, Yakupov.

Maybe he is our Most Valubale Player.

We could trade him to another team looking to rebuild, like a sort of snake-oil/draft-lottery charm: "take on Khabibulin on your roster and we guarantee a top-five draft pick within the season!"

Somebody call Jay Feaster!

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#60 russ99
April 26 2012, 06:12PM
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Infinibuild wrote:

I have not defended Tambelinni never once not a bit. I loathe virtually every single thing he has done since he became GM. The only move I even remotely liked was resigning Hemsky instead of trading him for some draft picks and perpetually rebuilding.

Likewise I don't have any love for Khabby. I'd be happy if he was gone. My issue is just with blaming him for the plight of this team. This team has about 5 problems that are much bigger than a backup goaltender.

Now its a completely different story if you think Dubnyk isn't a capable #1. I think he is worth at least another year to prove it one way or another.

I suppose my whole problem is a complete lack of faith in Tambo to do more than 1 thing at a time. If I felt he could dramatically reshape the D, add some size/grit to our top 9, make decisions about the makeup of our top 6 AND fiddle around with a mostly irrelevant backup goaltending situation then fine.

I still can't imagine how signing a mutli-year deal with Harding helps us more than riding out 1 more year Khabby and deciding in the future how to address goaltending.

The question if Dubnyk is or isn't a capable #1 is an interesting one.

He has progressed, but one wonders if he may regress if handed the job outright with no accountability and nobody behind him who can handle the role.

IMO he at least needs to be pushed by another up and coming goalie to develop into a true #1.

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#62 Saytalk
April 26 2012, 08:55PM
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If you want Khabi off the team but you don't want the cap penalty, then why not just send him down to the minors? Based on the Souray situation, this team has no problem paying a guy a lot of money to play in the minors for one year. It might even force NK into retirement.

But I'm not saying to do it right away. Give NK a legitimate shot at training camp, like every other player gets, and have him compete for an NHL job. If he's comes up third or fourth on the depth chart, then down he goes. Sending him down would be a wake-up call to the other vets as well.

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#63 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 26 2012, 10:14PM
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Saytalk wrote:

If you want Khabi off the team but you don't want the cap penalty, then why not just send him down to the minors? Based on the Souray situation, this team has no problem paying a guy a lot of money to play in the minors for one year. It might even force NK into retirement.

But I'm not saying to do it right away. Give NK a legitimate shot at training camp, like every other player gets, and have him compete for an NHL job. If he's comes up third or fourth on the depth chart, then down he goes. Sending him down would be a wake-up call to the other vets as well.

Picking your team based on training camp leaves an overmatched Lander On your team.

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#64 Reg Dunlop
April 26 2012, 11:44PM
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The oil honoring the remaining year on khabbi's deal and starting him 30 games does only one thing next year. It gives the oil maybe 12 points in those games as opposed to maybe 30 points with an actual NHL tender. The difference between 12th and 8th place.

Is khabbi tradeable at the deadline next year? You can't overestimate the stupidity of some decisions of desperate GMs, but if khabbi was a car(a Lada?) you would need to leave the keys and a $100 bill on the dash to attract a thief.

Is Harding the solution? Maybe not but khabbi is DEFINITELY not the solution.

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#65 Ambassador humantorch
April 26 2012, 07:55AM
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MVP! MVP! MVP!

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#66 Admiralmark
April 26 2012, 08:36AM
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I think you're assuming that the Oiler managements "ultimate" goal this year is to win as many games as possible. I don't believe it is. I believe they want to make incremental improvements all the while stock piling draft picks. If they keep the tandem in place I believe they can make greater improvements in the other areas and it will look like vast improvements overall to the team. Mission accomplished.

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#67 Ken
April 26 2012, 08:56AM
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@Jonathan Willis

I remember the exact same concerns about the Oilers, before they were a dynasty.

Bad defense, poor goaltending, no depth....

The Oilers have two years before they are contenders.

High end defense will come, goalies will struggle and then solidify.

The object of the rebuild at this stage is to build the offense into a goal scoring machine.

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#68 CC
April 26 2012, 09:05AM
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Keeping Khabibulin because he's Russian makes sense in theory, but there are a lot of Russian players that could be on the market.

1. Ruslan Fedotenko - UFA at the end of the year. Would fit because he's a good two-way player that can fit on the bottom of the roster. 2. Nik Antropov - Huge contract low point totals, apparently coach doesn't like him. He plays PP, PK and can play all three forward positions. If the Oilers want to overpay a Russian (actually from Kazakhstan) they can overpay this guy. 3. Alex Burmistrov - Long shot (you'd have to give up alot) but huge talent and apparently the coach doesn't love him either. 4. Artem Anisimov - With Kreider in NYR, Anisimov's minutes have been cut alot during the playoff. In the regular season he was 6th in TOI the playoffs he is 10th in TOI. He can play all 3 forward positions and helps out on PK & PP. 5. Nik Nikitin - CBJ has 5 defenseman on one way contracts and have two prospects that are close to being ready. You have to be willing to give up alot to get him, but he's an RFA. He plays tough minutes and is a good all around Dman.

Just a couple of names that could be available.

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#69 Infinibuild
April 26 2012, 09:27AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

1) Then go sign a Russian player who can help the team. Or an off-ice translator who can help Yakupov. Khabibulin's not getting paid $3.75 MM to hold Yakupov's hand.

2) Neither goalie has played even a full year in the AHL, and at least one full AHL year is likely for both prior to any NHL duty. It would be a mistake to hold off addressing the net for a year or two just because there are a couple of mid-round picks in the system who look like they might make good.

I gotta say JW, usually I agree with your analysis. But this whole goalie situation is way off base.

First off, who cares if Khabi makes 3.75 MM or 2, or 5. Its 1 more year, and I can't imagine we'll have cap issues this year. Its a pointless argument. I realize its emotional to link salary to performance if someone is being overpaid based on their performance (see Shawn Horcoff). But its irrelevant.

What is the benefit of spending any time, effort, money, or goodwill (buying out Khabi might not be received overly well by other aging vets we will need to acquire for a cup run one day).

Dooby performed well down the stretch, and should be given the #1 job next year. I believe you yourself argued the Oilers will be hard pressed to make the playoffs next year. In that case, who cares about a goalie at all.

Tambo should spend 100% of his energy, assets and time on improving the D and looking to add depth/size up front while deciding which of the current small'ish forwards fit and which don't.

This goalie talk is pointless.

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#71 Vaclav
April 26 2012, 09:42AM
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Willis,

I agree that buying out Khabibulin is the right choice but I don't think Harding is the correct target given his significant injury history.

I would rather see the Oilers go after a goaltender like Thomas Greiss in San Jose or Anders Lindback in Nashville. Both of these guys have good numbers albeit in limited games and are caught behind starters signed to long-term contracts. While Harding wouldn't cost the organization anything in assets if either of these two were available for a lesser prospect or draftpick it would be worth it in my opinion.

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#72 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2012, 09:50AM
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If we're going to blow some of Katz's money on a buyout, it should be put towards Shawn Horcoff. 35 pts a year offensively, combined with the fact he's on the ice for almost 95 goals against is putting your team down 1 goal per game before they even drop the puck for the opening faceoff.

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#73 Oil Is My Blood
April 26 2012, 09:51AM
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Not sure if an injury prone goalie is the answer, especially with the talent that might come available, but we do need to work on goaltending. Working on the offensive machine means that they will make mistakes, and we need someone to stop the mistakes from becoming goals. Also, better goaltending usually means less time in defensive zone, which means more time in offensive zone, which means more scoring opportunities, which means more goals.

We need to have a goaltending tandem next season that the team can rely on, and Nikki really can't be 1/2.

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#74 Lexi
April 26 2012, 11:12AM
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I believe upgrading the goaltending is the least important issue for the Oil in this offseason. I think if the Oilers can acquire 1 legit top 4 dman and 1 legit top 6 dman and they should be able to compete for a playoff spot. It should be a buyers market this year compared to last for dmen as I count at least 15 UFA who should be effective NHL top 6 guys that could be had for affordable contracts.

I don't think we should underestimate the value of having a Russian or two around to help Yak. In the salary cap NHL there is no more valuable asset that a first overall pick and for an 18 year old kid having someone who he can talk to in his own language and knows his culture could be quite valuable. (for this reason I think they should go hard for Tyutin who might be too expensive for Columbus and they will probably no longer need a Russian mentor)

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#75 nuge2nail
April 26 2012, 11:31AM
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Everyone seems to forget how good this team looked when our goaltenders were standing on their heads to start the season and stealing us some games. All we need is solid goaltending to be a good team, its amazing how good goaltending can change the way a defence looks.

Furthermore, our defence improved throughout the season with the emergence of Petry as a 1/2, and Schultz being a solid 3/4 option but our goaltending got worse. If we bring in one of Wideman or Carle, our defense looks like this:

Petry Smid Wideman Schultz Whitney Sutton extras: Potter Peckham Teubert

Ideally Tambellini Drafts Yakupov and signs both Wideman and Carle, Sutton moves into the #7 spot and Whitney into #6 - this will take the pressure off everyone and let the D play the minutes they are suited for.

Draft Yakupov - 30/40 goals a season will help this team wins more games next year and - winning is what matters.

Sign or trade for Lindback/Enroth/Thomas/Vokoun/Bernier/Luongo

and we are a playoff team next year :)

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#76 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2012, 11:36AM
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@Dawgbone98 and other members of the Khabibulin fan club

It was all Khabibulins fault, you're right. It had nothing to do with the team in front of him that earned the first pick overall 3 yrs in a row. The musical chairs (roster)group of players they had coming and going has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The Oilers still don't have a stable top 6, or a #1 or 2 blueliner, yet, you blame #35 for this mess?

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#77 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2012, 11:52AM
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Perhaps with Mr. Katz being in the pharmaceutical industry, he could invent a vaccine for stupid and fix Khabibulin, no? It's a little on the grass roots'ish side of thinking but we'd have to start somewhere eh?

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#78 NewfoundlandOil
April 26 2012, 12:04PM
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Most comments seem to suggest that upgrading the defense precludes an upgrade in goal (particularly in a back-up role). Granted current management has not shown a desire or ability to juggle more that 2 balls at once, I still don't see why this is not achievable or conceivable in a single off-season.

It's not a one or the other thing for me. Both positions are priorities now. That goals-against # needs to come down for marked improvement next year and beyond.

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#79 Jason Gregor
April 26 2012, 12:10PM
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dawgbone98 wrote:

Gregor, Khabibulin has statistically been one of the very worst goaltenders since the lockout. He's got a 3-33 record combined in the 2nd half of the last 2 seasons.

He's simply terrible, and there's almost no doubt that Harding is a better bet for next year and the near future.

Issue is Harding has been injury prone as a young goalie. That is a concern. Harding is better now, I don't doubt that.

The other concern for me is that the Oilers would have two goalies battling for the same spot. I understand some doubt Dubnyk, and that is fair, but I'd rather have a situation where they know where they stand. Khabibulin is clearly the back up, and as a veteran he would likely be a better supporter than Harding, who would want the job.

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#80 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2012, 12:10PM
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Little known fact: Not many realise this, but on this day, we are all the oldest we've ever been.

Since we're going down this prehistoric way of thinking/pinning the blame on someone today. Is it at all possible that Dinosaurs aren't extinct, they're just hiding?

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#81 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2012, 12:25PM
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Jonathan, your audience on this Harding issue has spoken...

http://youtu.be/umDr0mPuyQc

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#82 rindog
April 26 2012, 12:28PM
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I guess the real issue is...

Is signing Josh Harding really going to have any significant impact on whether or not this team improves in the standings next year?

If so, what is the reward compared to the risk of buying out a veteran that seems to be good in practice and in the room.

What benefit is there of buying out a player and having some of his cap hit attached to the roster in the following season (where competing in the playoffs is the absolute minimal goal) compared to using him in his final year to help a guy like Yakupov (if drafted) and give Dubnyk some relief for 20-25 games?

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#83 Infinibuild
April 26 2012, 12:33PM
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@Jonathan Willis

JW - why the obsession with replacing Khabby? All year(s) you have used stats to point out how bad he is. Fine. But really who cares. The organizations clear plan was to flounder this year, get another top pick, and develop Dubnyk. Check, check and check.

You have stated before that you don't think this is a playoff team in 2012-2013. So then, what is the rush with shuttling out Khabby? Why should the team care about it at all? Are you suggesting they can make a playoff run in 2013? If not, what is the reason for wanting him out so bad. To save Katz 1.25 million?? Who cares. Do we have UFAs lining up that we are unable to sign because of cap problems?

I just can't see the downside to keeping Khabby as the backup. Unless you think this team is ready to turn the corner and become a playoff contender. But I believe you've stated that isn't going to happen this year. So I'm unclear on the reasoning.

The Oilers should spend 110% of their focus, energy, assets and time on addressing the D. It would help the goalie stats a lot more than burning bridges buying out Khabby and shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic by getting Harding.

Am I missing something? You seem to have an irrational desire to get Khabby out. Fine, we accept he is bad, but hardly the main issue with this team. Why spend time debating the merits of trading or buying out your backup goalie?

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Here's a question is Harding the guy you want for the next 4 years or so?

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#85 Infinibuild
April 26 2012, 12:58PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I don't see the Oilers, as they are, as a playoff team in 2012-13. I also don't think the playoffs are out of reach in 2012-13 if management makes smart decisions this summer.

The downside to keeping Khabibulin is that he costs the team games. He's not a serviceable starter, and he's not a serviceable backup. He's not an NHL-calibre goalie, based on his performance in Edmonton.

You can swap him out, save money, and improve the team. At some point, management has to start doing that, and it strikes me that it might be nice to start sometime before they're forced to negotiate new contracts with Eberle and Hall.

OK, if you think they can make the playoffs in 2012-13 then it makes sense. I just thought you had stated they wouldn't compete this year. I'm glad you clarified this point for the record.

My issue is that goaltending probably isn't nearly as important as D in terms of the "smart decisions this summer" you mention it'll take to turn the corner. Unless they can improve the position a lot more than Harding I can't imagine it'll make much of a difference.

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#86 db7db7db7
April 26 2012, 01:06PM
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What a useless thread.

If we buyout Khabby, we save $0 in cap space in any year. The only reason to buy him out might be if Katz is running low on funds.

SEASON SALARY CAP HIT BUYOUT SAVINGS B/O CAP HIT 12-13 3.75M 3.75M 1.25M 2.5M 3.75M 13-14 $0 $0 1.25M -1.25M $0

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#87 Infinibuild
April 26 2012, 01:14PM
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TrentonL wrote:

You are missing a lot here buddy.

Whether or not JW thinks this is a playoff team (not likely with ST at the helm making bonehead moves) the goal should not be to fail for a 7th straight year. This team could be improved to have a shot at the playoffs and fixing the sub par goaltending provided by Khabibulin is definitely part of the solution, along with fixing the D, and getting a Pisani style (note not actually Pisani) veteran winger to round out the forwards.

Here are some downsides of keeping NK for you: -Hall wants to win, NK makes that less likely. Why disgruntle your best player and future? -What message does it send to the team that no matter how badly you play you don't get shipped out? -Why would free agents want to come to a team that continually places in the bottom tier of the league? -Edmonton was 19th in SA but 23rd in GA. That that means goaltending is just as big an issue as defence. You, along with an astonishing number of posters seem to have an irrational desire to defend the likes of Khabibulin, Tambellini er al and enjoy being the laughingstock of the league year after year.

I have not defended Tambelinni never once not a bit. I loathe virtually every single thing he has done since he became GM. The only move I even remotely liked was resigning Hemsky instead of trading him for some draft picks and perpetually rebuilding.

Likewise I don't have any love for Khabby. I'd be happy if he was gone. My issue is just with blaming him for the plight of this team. This team has about 5 problems that are much bigger than a backup goaltender.

Now its a completely different story if you think Dubnyk isn't a capable #1. I think he is worth at least another year to prove it one way or another.

I suppose my whole problem is a complete lack of faith in Tambo to do more than 1 thing at a time. If I felt he could dramatically reshape the D, add some size/grit to our top 9, make decisions about the makeup of our top 6 AND fiddle around with a mostly irrelevant backup goaltending situation then fine.

I still can't imagine how signing a mutli-year deal with Harding helps us more than riding out 1 more year Khabby and deciding in the future how to address goaltending.

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#88 Oilcan
April 26 2012, 01:17PM
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I do not like bulin on the Oilers and I would love to have him replaced by someone but I am not a fan of a buyout, mainly because we are paying 1.5 cap hit the year after next for a guy who would have been our backup and off the books not to play, the Oilers might not be a cap team but why handcuff yourself. If Bulin only plays 20-25 games a year I am ok with sticking with him for one more year then having a party when his contact comes off the books.

Plus if we draft Yakupov having a Russian on the team is a nice bonus, and if you are stuck with his contract (cap hit) anyway then let him back up one more year and see what we have in dubbie.

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April 26 2012, 01:19PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

@ db7db7db7

It's not about saving cap space, it's about winning hockey games.... you know ...the actual goal of league.

So why not waive him and send him to OKC instead? Won't his cap hit not count then?

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I agree with db7db7db7. Send Bulin to OKC, if Bulin refuses then it saves Katz money.

Why can't I quote anymore?

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April 26 2012, 01:26PM
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@ db7db7db7

I don't care how they get rid of him, I just don't want him on the Oilers roster next year.

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April 26 2012, 01:34PM
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db7db7db7 wrote:

So why not waive him and send him to OKC instead? Won't his cap hit not count then?

I believe it still counts as it is an over 35 contract.

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#93 jr_christ
April 26 2012, 01:38PM
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I just want to throw a "trade gagner" comment.

I think we haven't had any since he had an 8 point night.

Thanks everyone

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The problem is why would Harding sign a 1-2 year deal?

Don't get me wrong I'd add Harding, but I don't think it is going to make sense for both us and him. A guy like Biron, Gustafsson, Sanford, Garon those guys I see signing the type of term we are looking for.

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#96 DieHard
April 26 2012, 02:09PM
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Oilcan wrote:

I do not like bulin on the Oilers and I would love to have him replaced by someone but I am not a fan of a buyout, mainly because we are paying 1.5 cap hit the year after next for a guy who would have been our backup and off the books not to play, the Oilers might not be a cap team but why handcuff yourself. If Bulin only plays 20-25 games a year I am ok with sticking with him for one more year then having a party when his contact comes off the books.

Plus if we draft Yakupov having a Russian on the team is a nice bonus, and if you are stuck with his contract (cap hit) anyway then let him back up one more year and see what we have in dubbie.

JW provided a link in his article that you should read.

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#97 db7db7db7
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I thought it was obvious that if you can save $500,000 dollars with no decline in performance, it makes sense to save that $500,000.

Sure, $500,000 might be the equivalent to Katz of $500 to me, but I don't go around burning hundred dollar bills for the heck of it.

There have to be better options out there. I don't care if Tambi needs to sweeten the pot a little by say trading Khabbi and a second round pick for a 6th round pick. To me that would be worth opening the roster spot and saving the cap space.

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#98 DieHard
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db7db7db7 wrote:

There have to be better options out there. I don't care if Tambi needs to sweeten the pot a little by say trading Khabbi and a second round pick for a 6th round pick. To me that would be worth opening the roster spot and saving the cap space.

But we don't need the cap space. so ... NO

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#99 Mason Storm
April 26 2012, 03:12PM
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Why do we need Harding? Isn't Khabibulin our MVP?

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#100 db7db7db7
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But we don't need the cap space. so ... NO

If we want to sign or trade for Suter, Shultz, Parros and one of Lindback/Enroth/Thomas/Vokoun/Bernier/Harding/Luongo we do.

Plus we still need to re-sign some of Smyth, Gagner,Petrell, Petry and Dubnyk.

Unless the Cap goes up or we use a post CBA amnesty clause to cancel Horcoff's contract, we could be right up against the cap. Better to have the cap space in case Suter decides he wants to play for us than be sorry.

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