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Wanye
May 09 2012 03:04PM

A little over a year and a half ago the Nation Network added NHLnumbers.com - a leading salary reference site online - into the fold. Since then the team has been hard at work rebuilding the site, retooling the machinery that powers things behind the scenes and are now ready to go forward with the second stage of the plan.

It's slow going to be sure - but we are gradually making headway in what we consider to be one of the most important jobs in building the Nation Network: contributing to the community of stats folks and giving them new tools and new resources to continue building an important part of following the NHL in the year 2012.

BACKSTORY RE: STATS

One of the big debates on all of the Nation Network sites surrounds the importance of statistics in the NHL analysis. Some folks think that insight provided by number crunchers is of little value in the coverage of the good ol' hockey game.

"People who put a lot of faith in statistics haven't played the game" the thinking goes. "I ain't never seen no statistics that can quantify the value of a hard nosed player, or a guy that is good in the room."

POINT: COUNTERPOINT

Others will tell you that stats - and in particular the new and emerging advanced analytics - provide a whole new level of insight. They will say that the NHL is more of a science than an art and science requires better data if it is to move forward and that better data leads to better results.

Personally we believe that advanced stats are a very important part of the analysis of the game. Don't get us wrong, they aren't everyone's cup of tea to be sure. But the fact that there are a whole new mess of ways to conclusively prove that Jordan Eberle is an emerging superstar in the NHL warms us to our very core.

The problem with many advanced analytics in their early days is that there has been little interest by the MSM  to raise the bar in this field. No real large scale commercial effort has gone into making an improvement in how advanced stats are collected, explained, displayed and interpreted to us average joes.

No real resources have gone into consistently producing high quality writing on the topic, no resources have been put into better data collection or put into a site that can raise the bar for advanced analytics in the NHL.

This is what we plan on NHLnumbers.com becoming through a series of painful but constant steps in the right direction.

BRAVE NEW WORLD

 

If the movie Moneyball has taught us anything it is that Jonah Hill is more than capable of taking on dramatic roles early in his stellar career. If it taught us anything else it's that Brad Pitt is aging like a fine wine and that he runs no risk of losing his Sexiest Man Ever title anytime soon.

If it taught us any other thing it's that people in baseball used to look at stats besmirkingly then the Athletics brought out long division and went on to win 15 World Series titles in a row* We don't want to be one of those old scouting dudes sitting around the table waiting for Brad Pitt to tell Jonah Hill to speak.

No, we want the Nation Network to be on the cutting edge of helping advanced stats wherever it can - pushing it from the shadowy corners of the internet where all the smart kids hang out into the light of day where the rest of us peasants can gain some further insight into the game we love.

GOOD INTENTIONS

And so we begin the summer of adding writers to NHLnumbers.com to compliment our current "numbers folk" type-contributors who are doing great work already. And we are pleased to announce that Derek Zona from the Copper n Blue will be heading up the new initiative.

Zona and Nation Overlord Kent Wilson have been hard at work building bridges and will be revealing more than 10 other high profile contributors that will be joining the fold over the summer.

When we saw the list of folks willing to come write about "stats" we nearly went through the "roof." The group of people coming together to work on this site speaks volumes about the state of the blogosphere going into the 2012-13 NHL season.

Things are starting to take shape and a constant stream of analysis will now flow forth from NHLnumbers.com. From there we have additional plans to continue development over the summer and fall and we will see where things go  from here.

Until then have a read. Unless you are like us and don't believe in math. Then don't.

Totally.

* Or something. We were busy texting in the theatre when the movie started to get all "mathy" on us.

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#1 Wax Man Riley
May 09 2012, 03:33PM
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Do I feel a negative props button coming? Lifetime props? A separate "wtf props" button for madjam or DSF?

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#2 Derek Zona
May 09 2012, 04:38PM
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Thanks for the opportunity. This should be a fun time. Are we allowed to drink and write?

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#3 Jesus
May 09 2012, 08:15PM
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Wanye wrote:

JESUS IS WRITING HERE NOW TOO?

*faints*

Walking on water is WAY easier when it's a frozen ice rink. Makes the whole water into wine thing a bitch though.

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#4 Wax Man Riley
May 09 2012, 03:33PM
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Do I feel a negative props button coming? Lifetime props? A separate "wtf props" button for madjam or DSF?

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#5 David S
May 09 2012, 06:39PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

David S wrote:

Well don't I look like quite the flaming idiot.

and that differs from every other day how?

Well I...errr...uh...

YOU SONOFABI...

*Snaps #10 lead pencil in half. Throws pencil shards across the room.*

Soooo Horcoff's contract. That's a whopper huh?

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#6 Wanyes bastard child
May 09 2012, 07:12PM
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Chris81 wrote:

Any thoughts of expanding the Free Agents page? The old website allowed visitors to see potential free agents for future seasons.

Also, on a side note... why can't I create an account on Oilersnation? I filled the form and got nothing in my email to confirm my account. Now I fill out the form and it says that my email is already used. I try to sign in and reset my password but no account information is found.

That's just Robin Brownlee being proactive. If you can't sign up he doesn't have to ban you eh ;)

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#8 Al Davis
May 09 2012, 06:44PM
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I absolutely hate that tattoo. Put on some socks.

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#9 The Beaker
May 10 2012, 02:51PM
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We need a new article so that friggen foot stops attacking my retinas everytime I bring up the site.

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#10 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
May 09 2012, 03:13PM
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Cool, I like Zona's stuff. He should be a good addition.

PS When I click on any of the links at the top of this article, they take me to NHLNumbers instead of back to oilersnation. Is that intended?

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#11 StHenriOilBomb
May 09 2012, 04:02PM
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Thanks for all of the work that has gone in to NHLNumbers.com - it's been my resource for salaries for a while now. I actually found the Oilersnation site by clicking the banner after having used NHLNumbers for a while. Imagine my surprise, an Oilers fan, to find such an amazing blog site on the other side. Props to all of you. You've made the last couple of seasons slightly more bearable.

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#12 Kent Wilson
May 09 2012, 04:09PM
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@StHenriOilBomb

That's good to hear.

You'll be glad to know we plan to expand the site significantly going forward.

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#13 David S
May 09 2012, 04:19PM
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Sometimes curiousity gets the better of me and I think about how many more pyramids the ancient Egyptians would have built if they had access to MS Paint.

I also wonder if we will be able to comment on Pollz at this shiny new stats-riddled site.

*strokes chin while aimlessly basking in the wonderment of commenting on Pollz*

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#14 Lowetide
May 09 2012, 04:57PM
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Zona? Jesus. Nice.

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#15 Jeffrey Chapman
May 09 2012, 04:59PM
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ZONA!

Brilliant addition.

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#16 Kent Wilson
May 09 2012, 05:10PM
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Derek Zona wrote:

Thanks for the opportunity. This should be a fun time. Are we allowed to drink and write?

Allowed? Pfft. You're encouraged.

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#17 justDOit
May 09 2012, 05:10PM
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Looking forward to reading about Zona starts!

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#18 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 09 2012, 05:36PM
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David S wrote:

Well don't I look like quite the flaming idiot.

and that differs from every other day how?

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#19 Arik
May 09 2012, 09:13PM
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If we weren't allowed to drink and write, I wouldn't be allowed to write.

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#20 freeze
May 09 2012, 10:41PM
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"Write drunk, edit sober." - Ernest Hemingway

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#21 Shanye Gretz
May 09 2012, 03:15PM
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"giving them new tools" - hehehehe, that's what she said.

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#23 Kent Wilson
May 09 2012, 03:25PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Yeah the switch will cause some bugs temporarily.

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#24 Archaeologuy
May 09 2012, 03:30PM
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It works again! This doesnt feel any different at all...

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#25 Wax Man Riley
May 09 2012, 03:31PM
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That's what she said....

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#26 Wax Man Riley
May 09 2012, 03:32PM
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@Wanye

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so i don't have a virus and i should be re-directed here when I go to nhlnumbers?

How about the quote thing?

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#29 David S
May 09 2012, 04:22PM
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Wait. What? This article is cross-posted on nhlnumbers.com???

Well don't I look like quite the flaming idiot.

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#30 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2012, 04:44PM
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Did they work the bug out of the system that disabled the reply button? Really feeling the need to let peeps know how much i love them.

Moneyball has to have had an impact on the game of hockey as well. Not much of a baseball fan but love that movie.

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#31 TigerUnderGlass
May 09 2012, 04:51PM
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Derek Zona wrote:

Thanks for the opportunity. This should be a fun time. Are we allowed to drink and write?

Is there another way to write?

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#33 StHenriOilBomb
May 09 2012, 05:20PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

That's good to hear.

You'll be glad to know we plan to expand the site significantly going forward.

I am definitely glad to hear!

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#34 Chris81
May 09 2012, 06:13PM
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Any thoughts of expanding the Free Agents page? The old website allowed visitors to see potential free agents for future seasons.

Also, on a side note... why can't I create an account on Oilersnation? I filled the form and got nothing in my email to confirm my account. Now I fill out the form and it says that my email is already used. I try to sign in and reset my password but no account information is found.

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#35 Truth
May 09 2012, 06:25PM
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@ Chris81

If we are into talking a few bugs, I haven't been able to reply in a while except this 1970 way of doing it as such.

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#36 DieHard
May 09 2012, 07:13PM
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Derek Zona wrote:

Thanks for the opportunity. This should be a fun time. Are we allowed to drink and write?

Hopefully it's encouraged.

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#37 David S
May 09 2012, 07:25PM
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On a slightly more serious note, is every Nation sister site going to make us re-up in order to comment? I thought our membership would transfer over.

Not a huge stats guy myself but I do like to read some of the analysis and even *blushes* occasionally post a comment or two.

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#38 Stocc
May 09 2012, 08:19PM
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@Jesus

Haha! Jesus, you so awesome!

So, umm... can we talk about those sins I did last night?

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#39 SmellOfVictory
May 09 2012, 11:23PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Allowed? Pfft. You're encouraged.

Hemingway is the only way.

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#40 TigerUnderGlass
May 10 2012, 08:57AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Hemingway is the only way.

Every writer alive agrees with you

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#41 mayorpoop
May 10 2012, 09:44AM
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@Chris81,

hope you are in no rush. i've had the same problem and the same question for over a year and still nadda. i suppose to go along with today's announcements about NHL numbers and for the stats geeks....that's around 365 days or 12 months or 52 weeks*

*margin of error high.

on the nerd front. i hope that the stats are mixed with a healthy dose of reality. i only say this because i see so many stats guys winning hockey pools etc.

ps. i like the stats info. not a hater...yet.

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#42 Wax Man Riley
May 10 2012, 05:02PM
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It's pretty neat* that Flames Nation and Canucks army have new articles. I guess it's understandable since the Flames made the Playoffs** and The Canucks are still playing***

*by "neat" I mean crappy

**HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!

***golf

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#43 MC Hockey
May 15 2012, 06:31PM
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Hi Robert,

Long time, no posts by me (as contributor or just commentor).

So very nice analysis but I still wonder if the gambling defense of the Jets had more of an effect that you have shown. I wonder if you cut the numbers differently it could prove the defense was at fault in more cases.

In any event, I agree that about 2 to 2.5 M/year makes sense for him (over 1 to 2 years) with hopes he starts to peak in the last year of the deal (but not too much or Jets will have to pay big to keep him).

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