Dale Tallon: Things get worse before they get better

Jonathan Willis
June 17 2012 01:20PM

Dale Tallon was named general manager of the Chicago Blackhawks on June 21, 2005. His first year featured a spending spree that landed free agents Nikolai Khabibulin, Adrian Aucoin, Martin Lapointe and Jaroslav Spacek (Khabibulin’s four-year pact made him the highest-paid goalie in the NHL). Trent Yawney was hired as the team’s new head coach.

That team was supposed to take a big step forward. Instead, they finished 28th in the NHL. That summer, they drafted Jonathan Toews third overall. Four summers later, the Blackhawks celebrated their first Stanley Cup in 49 years.

It’s easy to forget now just how bad Tallon’s summer of spending in 2005 was. Leaving aside Yawney (he survived the debacle of 2005-06 but was canned midway through the following season), here’s how the four big free agent signings turned out:

Player Term Cap Hit 2011-12 Outcome
Nikolai Khabibulin 4 6.75 11.13 Recorded a 0.904 SV% over four years with the team (prompting the signing of Cristobal Huet)
Adrian Aucoin 4 4.00 6.60 Had two injury-filled years, was dealt to Calgary with a 7th rd. pick for Andrei Zyuzin and Steve Marr
Martin Lapointe 3 2.40 3.96 Recorded 31 and 24 points over 82-game seasons, had 7 points in Year 3 before being dealt (for a 6th rd. pick)
Jaroslav Spacek 1 2.25 3.71 Played 45 games before being dealt to Edmonton for Tony Salmelainen

The “2011-12” column is the equivalent cap hit in 2011-12 dollars to their cap hits against the 2005-06 salary ceiling.

Spacek was dealt in that first season (he had easily the best first year of the group) and all that Tallon managed to get for him was Tony Salmalainen, a 5’9” forward who would score six goals in 57 games for Chicago. Spacek would play a key role on the Edmonton Oilers, helping them reach the Stanley Cup Finals as a top four defenseman.

Adrian Aucoin missed a bunch of time over two years and was dealt for almost nothing to Calgary – an AHL/ECHL defender in Marr and a guy with 32 games left in his NHL career in Zyuzin. Lapointe was dealt at the deadline the same year, bringing back a sixth round pick.

Only Khabibulin played all four seasons. He was awful for two and mediocre for one, prompting the ‘Hawks to sign Cristobal Huet as a replacement. He had his first good regular season splitting time with the latter, but struggled in the playoffs (he allowed 10 goals in 2-1/2 games against Detroit in the third round before leaving with injury and finished the post-season with a 0.898 SV%).

Those four players alone took up 40% of the cap space Chicago had to sign their whole team in that first year. All four were disasters in the Windy City.

That didn’t stop the Chicago Blackhawks from going on to win the Stanley Cup, largely with the core assembled under Tallon’s watch – Tallon himself having replace in the top hockey operations job by Stan Bowman. Chicago is still a legitimate contender today, although the team has struggled with the salary cap implications of Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane coming off their entry-level contracts – they’ve basically been bleeding salary ever since.

The management of a Stanley Cup team doesn’t need to be perfect. They just need to be good enough to get the team into a position where they have a good shot at winning it all. That should be a comforting thought to Oilers fans, who have seen the team wander in the wilderness since 2006. The club’s original architect, Kevin Lowe, is now the president of hockey operations; the general manager since 2008, Steve Tambellini, just received a contract extension. The team’s newest hockey operations hire, Craig MacTavish, spent years coaching the club.

Dale Tallon’s first moves as Blackhawks general manager were awful; he was undeniably part of the problem before he was part of the solution. Yet he still managed to do the bulk of the heavy lifting in transforming the Blackhawks from also-ran to powerhouse. Oilers fans just have to hope their team’s management is equally capable of turning things around.

This week by Jonathan Willis

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Quicksilver ballet
June 17 2012, 01:37PM
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Pretty bleak results for the guys Tallon brought in. If a guy is going to come in and underperform his contract, you want it to be one of those guys you give up nothing to get.

The return is unsettling on guys of that payscale who don't work out but sometimes the cap room is benifit enough nowadays. This is something the Oilers should do with Hemmer and Horcoff. 10.5 between the 2 for approx 75 pts in total. There's no denying that money couldn't be better spent.

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#2 WheresYourTowel
June 17 2012, 01:38PM
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I'm willing to let this make me feel better as long as someone will first assure me that the bad part is over.

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#3 Wäx Män Riley
June 17 2012, 02:07PM
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So Tallon was a poor GM until he got some high picks?

Sound familiar anyone?

He sure got fleeced on some of those deals.

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#4 Craig1981
June 17 2012, 02:08PM
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If nothing else he was bold. Something, I do think Tambi has been with the trade of Penner, Gilbert, and the coaches. The big thing I believe is not to get into a situation you can't fix in a couple years if its wrong (see oilers 2007 and 2008 season)

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#5 Woodguy
June 17 2012, 02:39PM
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So you're saying there's a chance?

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#6 dawgtoy
June 17 2012, 02:42PM
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Shouldn't take long for DSF to chime in.

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#7 Randall Shermer
June 17 2012, 03:05PM
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You need to fact check Willis because it is unpossible for super-GM Tallon to have made so many terrible signings. I've heard he's an incredible GM that can reliably sign free agents and single-handedly turn around teams.

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#8 DSF
June 17 2012, 03:10PM
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dawgtoy wrote:

Shouldn't take long for DSF to chime in.

Tallon wasn't successful until he learned how to be a GM.

He came straight out of the broadcast booth and had to figure things out.

Like a couple of GM's we are all too familiar with, he started out his career whale hunting.

It appears Tallon learned his craft pretty quickly since the team he built won a cup only four years later.

If we assume the year the Tweedles signed Khabibulin (2009) as their first whale hunt, when they should have learned something, they should be winning a cup any time now.

The Tallon Timeline:

First season - 65 points

Second season - 71 points

Third season - 88 points

Fourth season - 104 points (playoffs)

Fifth season - 112 points (Stanley Cup)

The Tambellini Timeline:

First season - 85 points

Second season - 62 points

Third season - 62 points

Fourth season - 74 points

Fifth season - Stanley Cup?

It would appear that Tambellini is lagging just a few years behind if the Oilers are on the Hawks trajectory.

I would suggest we follow the Panthers trajectory since Tallon has another chance to show Steve how it's done.

First season - 72 points

Second season - 94 points (playoffs)

Third season - ?

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#9 DSF
June 17 2012, 03:10PM
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dawgtoy wrote:

Shouldn't take long for DSF to chime in.

Tallon wasn't successful until he learned how to be a GM.

He came straight out of the broadcast booth and had to figure things out.

Like a couple of GM's we are all too familiar with, he started out his career whale hunting.

It appears Tallon learned his craft pretty quickly since the team he built won a cup only four years later.

If we assume the year the Tweedles signed Khabibulin (2009) as their first whale hunt, when they should have learned something, they should be winning a cup any time now.

The Tallon Timeline:

First season - 65 points

Second season - 71 points

Third season - 88 points

Fourth season - 104 points (playoffs)

Fifth season - 112 points (Stanley Cup)

The Tambellini Timeline:

First season - 85 points

Second season - 62 points

Third season - 62 points

Fourth season - 74 points

Fifth season - Stanley Cup?

It would appear that Tambellini is lagging just a few years behind if the Oilers are on the Hawks trajectory.

I would suggest we follow the Panthers trajectory since Tallon has another chance to show Steve how it's done.

First season - 72 points

Second season - 94 points (playoffs)

Third season - ?

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#10 John Chambers
June 17 2012, 03:57PM
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@DSF

To what extent would you factor in that Tallon inherited a team with Keith, Seabrook, and Bolland in Chicago, and Weiss, Gudbrandson, Huberdeau, and your man Kulikov in Fla?

Tambi cakes inherited Penner, Gagner, and Hemsky, Visnovski, Souray, and Tom Gilbert, and a prospect pool that was essentially barren unless one considers Alex Plante and Riley Nash to be of much value. It sort of suggests to me that following a run of success like Tallon had in Chicago would've been harder under the same timeframe because the essential pieces weren't in place.

I would think the Oilers arc, depending on how much improvement occurs over the summer, follows in line with Chicago's 3rd season (88) or Fla's 2nd season under Monsieur Tallon ... With a stretch goal of 101 points if Tambellini surprises us all and obtains a top-pair defender and an adequate replacement for our drunk Russian goaltender.

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#11 justDOit
June 17 2012, 04:02PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

So Tallon was a poor GM until he got some high picks?

Sound familiar anyone?

He sure got fleeced on some of those deals.

And he was responsible for those qualifying offers sent through the mail, which along with winning the cup put a lot of financial pressure on their cap.

But he's now guiding the Panthers to the same path, so it appears that he can do the important things right on a regular basis. IF those Floridians improve substantially again this season, it will be time to form Tallonnation.com.

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#12 BlacqueJacque
June 17 2012, 04:15PM
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When I used to demand MacT get fired I was:

1. Very sane.

Your 'cute' poll options suck. I bet it's the lowest-vote-total poll since ON launched.

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#13 Craig1981
June 17 2012, 04:21PM
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But the Hawks and the Oilers are two different teams. There was A LOT of cleanup to do the first 2 years. Remove the first season and it looks like: 62 62 74 If he would of traded Penner low, not waited to see which young playiers were going to work, that high first season would of been gone and your agrument would not of worked.

Of that first season only 10 players or the 24 that played more than 15 games that season are still in the NHL. And he inherited the Kevin P prospect list. I don't think you can blame him for the downfall

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#14 Craig1981
June 17 2012, 04:38PM
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And DSF, of those 14 players not in the NHL the oilers got

Curtis Hamilton Travis Ewanyk

and the ones no long on the team still with the team

Oliver Roy Kelfbom Coltin T Ryan Whitney Nick Schultz a 3rd rounder this year a 2nd rounder next year

I think the right more was to tear down that team (we never would of got Hall or RNH if we didn't). And what he gained from that addresses the 3 biggest weakness we had. And in that order in that order

Defence, Gritty Forwards, and Goal

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#15 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 05:10PM
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DSF wrote:

Tallon wasn't successful until he learned how to be a GM.

He came straight out of the broadcast booth and had to figure things out.

Like a couple of GM's we are all too familiar with, he started out his career whale hunting.

It appears Tallon learned his craft pretty quickly since the team he built won a cup only four years later.

If we assume the year the Tweedles signed Khabibulin (2009) as their first whale hunt, when they should have learned something, they should be winning a cup any time now.

The Tallon Timeline:

First season - 65 points

Second season - 71 points

Third season - 88 points

Fourth season - 104 points (playoffs)

Fifth season - 112 points (Stanley Cup)

The Tambellini Timeline:

First season - 85 points

Second season - 62 points

Third season - 62 points

Fourth season - 74 points

Fifth season - Stanley Cup?

It would appear that Tambellini is lagging just a few years behind if the Oilers are on the Hawks trajectory.

I would suggest we follow the Panthers trajectory since Tallon has another chance to show Steve how it's done.

First season - 72 points

Second season - 94 points (playoffs)

Third season - ?

Remember, he also made the biggest gaffe as an NHL management could make, cost him his job.

Hard to even call him competent.

Edit; was referring to Tallon and simple qualifying offers.

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#16 Oiler Al
June 17 2012, 05:13PM
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The acid test for Tambelini will be this summer. Drafts , Trades, and UFA;s. Steve lets see how this plays this out.If, its anything like he did last summer and Habby before that, it will be another long season.

Honestly not really sure who is running this team, is it Katz , Lowe, Tambelini ? We know for certain Mac T's role.

All these great drafts etc, then we wake up this morning with a good point or question.... are their enough forwards in the system? The defense prospects are 2 to 3 years away as well. Goal tending has a hole in it. Three goalies already resigned, old Dithers is sitting on his great selection [ Habbybulin]. We will see over the next few weeks.

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#17 DSF
June 17 2012, 05:20PM
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John Chambers wrote:

To what extent would you factor in that Tallon inherited a team with Keith, Seabrook, and Bolland in Chicago, and Weiss, Gudbrandson, Huberdeau, and your man Kulikov in Fla?

Tambi cakes inherited Penner, Gagner, and Hemsky, Visnovski, Souray, and Tom Gilbert, and a prospect pool that was essentially barren unless one considers Alex Plante and Riley Nash to be of much value. It sort of suggests to me that following a run of success like Tallon had in Chicago would've been harder under the same timeframe because the essential pieces weren't in place.

I would think the Oilers arc, depending on how much improvement occurs over the summer, follows in line with Chicago's 3rd season (88) or Fla's 2nd season under Monsieur Tallon ... With a stretch goal of 101 points if Tambellini surprises us all and obtains a top-pair defender and an adequate replacement for our drunk Russian goaltender.

Tambellini inherited:

Gagner - a top 10 pick

Hemsky - a 13th overall pick

Visnovsky - One of the premiere puck moving defensemen in the league

Souray - the league's leading PP scorer at the time

Penner - a 32 goal scoring winger

Gilbert - a very good second pairing defenseman

Smid - a former first round pick

He managed to turn those assets into

Gagner

Hemsky

Damaged Goods

LA's 6th best defensive prospect and a draft pick

Smid

A second pairing defenseman.

Do you see any progress there?

Tallon did NOT inherit Huberdeau or Gudbranson...he drafted them.

Tambellini could have drafted Kulikov but he took Paajarvi instead. Oops.

I'm not sure why you think Tambellini in his 5th season should get a mulligan for his first 3 since that kind of performance gets you fired everywhere but Edmonton and Columbus.

But even so, Tambellini has to make the playoffs this season to match either the Hawks fourth season or the Panthers second season.

And this is Tambellini's fifth season.

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#18 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 17 2012, 05:23PM
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This blog will make DSF cry

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#19 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 05:23PM
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@John Chambers

Good points on the prospect pool and the inherited team, I would like to mention Moreau and Staio's, the fact Tambellini got anything for those two players has to rank right up there!

I'm not saying Tambellini is better or worse then Tallon, but I will say he deffinetly is more cautious about the move's he makes which can be a good thing but coincidently is also part of his problem IMO.

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#20 DSF
June 17 2012, 05:35PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

But the Hawks and the Oilers are two different teams. There was A LOT of cleanup to do the first 2 years. Remove the first season and it looks like: 62 62 74 If he would of traded Penner low, not waited to see which young playiers were going to work, that high first season would of been gone and your agrument would not of worked.

Of that first season only 10 players or the 24 that played more than 15 games that season are still in the NHL. And he inherited the Kevin P prospect list. I don't think you can blame him for the downfall

No, but you can certainly blame him for not doing anything about since then other than drafting first overall and signing or trading for a bunch of junk.

Here's a reminder:

Khabibulin Whitney Sutton Potter Foster Fraser Hordichuk Eager

While at the same time Tallon added:

Versteeg Campbell Fleischmann Kopecky Bergenheim Goc Samuelsson Skille Santorrelli Jovonovski Upshall Barch

Who do you think is a better judge of talent?

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#21 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 05:55PM
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@DSF

Your only picking the good?

Tallon made almost the same mistakes your pointing out about Tambellini. Only Tallon made them first.

You never mentioned the fact that Tallon also single handedly broke the Hawks up. Took them from contention back to middle of the pack.

You also failed to mention that Tallon had no option but to go out and add salary. The players are incidental. The fact the actually worked out and play well together is more of an indictment of the coaching not the management.

Edit; A huge chunk of my post is gone?

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#22 DSF
June 17 2012, 06:24PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Your only picking the good?

Tallon made almost the same mistakes your pointing out about Tambellini. Only Tallon made them first.

You never mentioned the fact that Tallon also single handedly broke the Hawks up. Took them from contention back to middle of the pack.

You also failed to mention that Tallon had no option but to go out and add salary. The players are incidental. The fact the actually worked out and play well together is more of an indictment of the coaching not the management.

Edit; A huge chunk of my post is gone?

They won a Stanley Cup.

That's what this is all about.

Or did you forget about that?

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#23 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 06:31PM
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@DSF

If you mean by winning one Stanley Cup after 40 + years then imploding your team for a clerical error then ya, good on ya!

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#24 DSF
June 17 2012, 06:38PM
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@Walter Sobchak

I don't think Tallon was the Hawks GM for 40+ years.

Your comment is without an redeeming social merit or in fact anything of interest. The man built a winner and now he's building another one.

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#25 John Chambers
June 17 2012, 06:43PM
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@ Wes Mantooth & @ DSF

Tallon and Tambellini have very contrasting styles, both of which have their advantages and disadvantages.

For Tallon, I respect that he's aggressive. He doesn't sit on a lousy team, and as DSF has pointed out he does an excellent job of populating a roster with NHL-calibre players. In some respects I understand DSF's defense of the guy because he doesn't sit still and doesn't place his faith in the Liam Reddox's of the world.

Unfortunately the flipside is that Tallon sometimes loses his mind and signs Cristobal Huet, gives a grotesque contract to Jovanovski, or signs Brian Campbell to a contract that becomes unmovable to anybody but himself. It cost him his job in Chicago, and may cost him Jason Garrison right away.

But the Oilers could use a bit of Tallon's savvy. Every year we suffer from some obvious holes in the boat - whether it's a C to take defensive zone draws, a porous defense, or just a plain old crappy goalie.

Either Tambellini has been steering a leaky boat on purpose, and we're about to see it patched up ... or he's a dithering mongoloid, and someone smarter is waiting around the corner to steal his lunch money. We'll know in about 2 weeks.

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#26 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 06:47PM
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DSF wrote:

I don't think Tallon was the Hawks GM for 40+ years.

Your comment is without an redeeming social merit or in fact anything of interest. The man built a winner and now he's building another one.

So is your argument for Tallon in FLA, worst goal diff of any playoff team. Play in the weakest division. He's building a cap floor team. My point was in Chicago, he butchered the team he built into a one trick pony.If he's such a freaking great GM then why did he get fired?

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#27 50 in 39
June 17 2012, 06:55PM
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I think it is a little bit too early to declare the Panther's team as a winner or contender. I think there is a good chance that they don't match this year's success and miss the playoffs in the coming years. Tallon's style of managing in Florida came out of necessity due to so much cap space.

As painful as the Oiler's management has been, if it turns out to be a strategy of losing by design, then I think the strategy will turn out favorable compared to the Florida model in the years to come.

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#28 DSF
June 17 2012, 07:26PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

If you mean by winning one Stanley Cup after 40 + years then imploding your team for a clerical error then ya, good on ya!

You seem to be having difficulty understanding this Stanley Cup win concept.

The last time a team repeated as a cup winner was a long time ago.

The team Tallon left behind is still a much better team than the Oilers and his new team is a much better team than the Oilers.

What part of this don't you understand?

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#29 DSF
June 17 2012, 07:33PM
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50 in 39 wrote:

I think it is a little bit too early to declare the Panther's team as a winner or contender. I think there is a good chance that they don't match this year's success and miss the playoffs in the coming years. Tallon's style of managing in Florida came out of necessity due to so much cap space.

As painful as the Oiler's management has been, if it turns out to be a strategy of losing by design, then I think the strategy will turn out favorable compared to the Florida model in the years to come.

You obviously don't understand what Tallon has been doing in Florida.

He gutted the team, signed a bushel of actual NHL players, turned a lot of crap into draft choices and still has more than $20 million in free cap space.

He has amassed the best prospect depth in the entire NHL while getting his team into the playoffs.

For example, since Tallon has been GM, the Panthers drafted Jonathan Hubderdeau, Rocco Grimaldi, Eric Gudbranson, Nick Bjudstad, Quinton Howden, Alex Petrovic and Drew Shore.

All are projecting as good to great NHL players.

Tambellini drafted first overall twice and Klefbom MIGHT be a payer some day.

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#30 Gret99zky
June 17 2012, 07:56PM
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Seems to me Tambi also inherited two players with trade demands. (Souray, Vish)

An untradable injury prone player. (Hemsky)

An overated, lazy Penner. (only scored 32 once)

Terrible farm team and prospect pool.

Untradable and NMC in Horcoff.

And a pile of other Lowe-tastic contracts.

Tambi has had a lot more housecleaning to do than Tallon.

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#31 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 08:06PM
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@DSF

I'll give you the one Stanley Cup.

Again, because you seem to be missing the point, why was Tallon fired? Tell us?

FLA is one of lowest goals for in the league, the goal diff is worse then the Oilers and will drop even further as youth gets brought in and the vets get older.

FLA. is not as good of a team you make them out to be. It's only a matter of time before EDM becomes a better team.

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#32 DSF
June 17 2012, 08:11PM
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Gret99zky wrote:

Seems to me Tambi also inherited two players with trade demands. (Souray, Vish)

An untradable injury prone player. (Hemsky)

An overated, lazy Penner. (only scored 32 once)

Terrible farm team and prospect pool.

Untradable and NMC in Horcoff.

And a pile of other Lowe-tastic contracts.

Tambi has had a lot more housecleaning to do than Tallon.

Really?

Here are the players Tallon moved out:

Nathan Horton

Michael Frolik

Bryan McCabe

Steve Reinprecht

Cory Stillman

Redek Dvorak

Rotislav Olesz

Keith Ballard

Gergory Campbell

David Booth

Kamil Kreps

Byron Bitz

Ville Koistenen

Steve McIntyre

Mike Duco

Sergei Samsonov

Niclas Bergfors

Marty Reasoner

Steve Bernier

Darcy Hordichuk

Alexander Sulzer

Tallon says he met with every player to see if they were going to be part of a rebuild and got rid of the rest.

That Tambellini couldn't get a decent return for players like Penner and Souray and kept Hemsky and Horcoff is all on him.

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#33 50 in 39
June 17 2012, 08:14PM
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@DSF

Well DSF, to follow your own logic of a Stanley Cup as the ultimate goal and that achievement trumping everything else, (Which I do actually agree with by the way)then I would say that the Oiler's are on a better track for that goal. They might or probably won't do it given the odds but I am giving them better odds than Florida. Despite the young talent that Florida has (you missed the most important player in Markstrom), they are much more likely locked into a mediocre existence rather than true contention for a Stanley Cup.

I never said that I don't like what Tallon has done in Florida, just that his actions have not made them a Stanley Cup contender as you had suggested. I also never compared Tallon to Tambellini. Don't confuse yourself with your Tambellini/Oilers hatred.

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#34 DSF
June 17 2012, 08:15PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'll give you the one Stanley Cup.

Again, because you seem to be missing the point, why was Tallon fired? Tell us?

FLA is one of lowest goals for in the league, the goal diff is worse then the Oilers and will drop even further as youth gets brought in and the vets get older.

FLA. is not as good of a team you make them out to be. It's only a matter of time before EDM becomes a better team.

Tallon was fired because Scotty Bowman staged a palace coup to get his son the job.

The players and fans loved him...the players even chartered a bus to go to Tallon's father's funeral.

The rest of your post is just fanboy drooling.

The Panthers are a younger team than the Oilers and have a much better prospect pool.

BTW, the Oilers goal differential was worse than the Panthers.

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#35 Walter Sobchak
June 17 2012, 08:39PM
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@DSF

Ya ok, Scotty Bowman.. The goal diff was not by much, my point was FLA is a minus team.

Anyway this is old, you have super Tallon, I respect that, but I'll buy you a beer if FLA makes the playoffs next year.

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#36 50 in 39
June 17 2012, 08:45PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Ya I don't know, Scotty Bowman is known to be a pretty dishonorable sleaze bag, LOL.

Obvious Sarcasm

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#37 John Chambers
June 17 2012, 08:50PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Ya ok, Scotty Bowman.. The goal diff was not by much, my point was FLA is a minus team.

Anyway this is old, you have super Tallon, I respect that, but I'll buy you a beer if FLA makes the playoffs next year.

Hey they went to game 7 overtime against the team that wound up in the Stanley Cup Final. Not too shabby.

Okay, now i need to go take a shower.

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#38 Clyde Frog
June 17 2012, 09:45PM
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Hey DSF,

Can you regale us with how the Oilers screwed up by drafting wingers?

Then tell us again how you would fix it by drafting another winger?

I love that story of yours!

Priceless.

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#39 dougtheslug
June 17 2012, 10:38PM
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Here are the attributes that give DSF the worst intellectual depth in the Nation;

boring

repetitive

nasty

thin-skinned

repetitive

tendentious

hectoring

repetitive

pretentious

egotistical

self-obsessed

repetitive

prone to endless lists culled from hockeydb and Wickipedia

Did I mention repetiitive?

Why does he continuous to post on a blog called OilersNation? To educate us poor benighted Oiler fans who can't see what he is so sure is obvious?

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#40 Wäx Män Riley
June 17 2012, 10:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Tambellini inherited:

Gagner - a top 10 pick

Hemsky - a 13th overall pick

Visnovsky - One of the premiere puck moving defensemen in the league

Souray - the league's leading PP scorer at the time

Penner - a 32 goal scoring winger

Gilbert - a very good second pairing defenseman

Smid - a former first round pick

He managed to turn those assets into

Gagner

Hemsky

Damaged Goods

LA's 6th best defensive prospect and a draft pick

Smid

A second pairing defenseman.

Do you see any progress there?

Tallon did NOT inherit Huberdeau or Gudbranson...he drafted them.

Tambellini could have drafted Kulikov but he took Paajarvi instead. Oops.

I'm not sure why you think Tambellini in his 5th season should get a mulligan for his first 3 since that kind of performance gets you fired everywhere but Edmonton and Columbus.

But even so, Tambellini has to make the playoffs this season to match either the Hawks fourth season or the Panthers second season.

And this is Tambellini's fifth season.

He kind of did inherit Gudbranson. He took over the team before the draft when they had the 3rd pick.

Then took the team the next year all the way to another #3 pick.

I'm not debating that he isn't a good GM. He has a cup ring from the Blackhawks (even though he wasn't technically with the team).

He is a swing for the fences GM, with what I think is little foresight into the future. It is all about building a winning team this year, not building a consistently good team.

We all know the other side of it too well. Bumbles in the front office of our beloved squad appears to have no idea what it takes to build a team today. As John Chambers said, he would rather put his faith in the Liam Redox's of the world.

In a perfect world, The Oilers would have Bumble-Tallon.

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#41 Wäx Män Riley
June 17 2012, 11:01PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Here are the attributes that give DSF the worst intellectual depth in the Nation;

boring

repetitive

nasty

thin-skinned

repetitive

tendentious

hectoring

repetitive

pretentious

egotistical

self-obsessed

repetitive

prone to endless lists culled from hockeydb and Wickipedia

Did I mention repetiitive?

Why does he continuous to post on a blog called OilersNation? To educate us poor benighted Oiler fans who can't see what he is so sure is obvious?

Ever see how many comments DSF generates? Kent Wilson and Wanye love him I'm sure.

I like a good debate with the anti-Kool-Aider myself, even if it is a bit pretentious with the occasional consistent snide tone.

But I rarely see him name-call. So he kinda has one up on you, no?

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 17 2012, 11:02PM
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Tambillinis management has been frieghtening.... But not near as frieghtening as DSF's obsession with Talon.

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#43 dougtheslug
June 17 2012, 11:12PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

See #24 in this thread. Its that tone that gets up my nose. But, hey, sticks and stones etc.

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#44 justDOit
June 17 2012, 11:40PM
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@dougtheslug

Gets under your skin, but doesn't break any rules. A true Tikkanen of ON.

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#45 Craig1981
June 17 2012, 11:48PM
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@DSF Got some questions

Tambellini inherited:

Gagner - a top 10 pick (they player is the player what does the pick mater)

Hemsky - a 13th overall pick (ditto)

Visnovsky - One of the premiere puck moving defensemen in the league (that was going to ask for a trade shortly)

Souray - the league's leading PP scorer at the time (come on, do you really believe that?)

Penner - a 32 goal scoring winger (talk to LA if he is a true 30+ scorer)

Gilbert - a very good second pairing defenseman (didnt you used to bash him??)

Smid - a former first round pick (again with the pick rateing??)

He managed to turn those assets into

Gagner

Hemsky

Damaged Goods (its the GMs fault he got hurt???)

LA's 6th best defensive prospect and a draft pick (what does LAs depth in prospects have to do with it,even if was true?? Coltin is a solid prospect. Couldn't you say 2 1st rounders and a 3rd round pick? Suddenly now your not posting what round the picks are in, lol)

Smid

A second pairing defenseman. (a defencemen that filles a team need more than the one he gave up)

Do you see any progress there? (I think so, You don't think haveing Nail as your 2nd round winger, and 2 good prospects is better than Penner? Getting Nick S to add defence, not have Souray on the team!?!

Tallon did NOT inherit Huberdeau or Gudbranson...he drafted them. (He inherited the pick for Gudbranson, With the next 5 players in that draft you dont think it would of been hard to get it wrong?)

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#46 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 18 2012, 06:41AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Tambillinis management has been frieghtening.... But not near as frieghtening as DSF's obsession with Talon.

it will only be an obsession until florida drops back to this pack this up coming season. then, he will completely ignore anyone who tries to call him on it, and he will find a new "topic" to try and harp on. over...and over...and over..

i propose that we, as a nation, band together and only respond to DSF using random words strung together.

for example:

if DSF wrote:

i will kyle wellwood. dale tallon should get him on the roster ASAP

the replies?

horse yogurt split-ends

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#47 The Soup Fascist
June 18 2012, 08:05AM
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Excellent idea, but I think "Horse Yogurt Split Ends" is actually an Australian 80's pop cover band.

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#48 andrewmk20
June 18 2012, 08:21AM
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@DSF

Pretty sure he meant the Hawks team has had a long history of somewhat poor results with only 1 title win not that Tallon has been there for that long. Also there is no denying he's made good moves during his tenure, but has also made some very bad ones. I'm pretty sure Willis is just giving perspective on how a cup win can wash away the ineptitude of a GM and just leave him bullet proof from criticism, at least for a while anyway.

Tambellini, despite all the complaints Oilers fans aim at him, has also done good and bad. Although his success has been almost completely on the amateur development and procurement level while he's been unable to have the same success at the pro level.

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#49 andrewmk20
June 18 2012, 08:31AM
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@DSF

Also Teubert wasn't LA's 6th best prospect. At the time Thomas Hickey had already fallen down the rankings a bit as a prospect due to his lukewarm performance at the AHL level. Only Slava Voynov and Derek Forbort were rated higher in the LA system and Muzzin was considered a somewhat equal prospect in terms of skill set (big mean dman).

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#50 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 18 2012, 08:56AM
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Florida will have another young team to contend with in those Winnipeg Jets. Chevy has made a few moves that lead me to believe that he's the real deal as far as GMs go, and there's some pretty decent talent in the system as well. If Florida doesn't win the division they might not make the playoffs.

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