LIVE BLOG DAY TWO....

Jason Gregor
June 23 2012 10:09AM

 

I'll be live blogging from the draft floor in Pittsburgh today.

The Oilers have an opportunity to add some depth to the organization today, and I expect them to add some players with a combination of size and skill.

The Oilers are currently scheduled to have six picks today, but I expect them to make a move or two so those numbers could change.

ROUND TWO

8:04 MST: Columbus doesn't surprise anyone and take goalie Oscar Dansk.

8:05: The Oilers needed some much needed grit and toughness, but they needed it in the form of a player who can play, so they took rugged winger Mitch Moroz from the Oil Kings. This might have been a bit early, but I spoke to Stu MacGregor on Thursday and he was worried that he wouldn't be there at #63.

They are really high on Moroz's overall game, but mostly that he is hard to play against, tough and he has some decent skill.

2011/2012 stats... 16 goals, 25 points, 131 pims in 66 games with Oil Kings in WHL.

I'm sure many will say this was a reach, and a bit early, but teams rarely trade "functional toughness" and the Oilers have virtually none in their organization. It will be a few years before we see Moroz, but the Oilers clearly deviated from the "best player available" motto with this pick.

8:21: Go talk to Moroz...clips to come.

8:29: Round two ends...Took 25 minutes...Round one took four hours. NHL needs to find a way to speed up the first round, four hours is ridiculous.

ROUND THREE

8:30: With the 63rd pick the Oilers pick Jujhar Khaira from Prince George of the BCHL.

Khaira is a big kid, standing 6'2 and 205 pounds already. "I'm a power forward, play a two-way game. I'm really good below the goalline in the offensive zone and finding guys in the slot," he said.

"I'm pumped to be going to Edmonton, they have my favourite player, Taylor Hall and I watched Nugent-Hopkins growing up in Burnaby, so I'm excited to maybe play with them."

Khaira has a scholarship to Michigan Tech, but Everett just traded for his rights, and he said he'll talk to the Oilers about what route is best for his career.

2011/2012 stats... 29 goals, 79 points, 69 pims in 54 games with Spruce Kings in BCHL.

8:55... The oilers acquired this 3rd rounder from  the Kings as part of the Dustin Penner trade...

The 91st pick of the draft and the last pick of the 3rd round the Oilers select from the Belleville Bulls of the OHL, Daniil Zharkov. Zharkov is another big body, 6'3, 200 pounds. Shoots left, plays LW and tallied 23 goals and 36 points in 50 games with Belleville.

2011/2012 stats... 23 goals, 36 points, 25 pims in 50 games with Belleville of the OHL.

Zharkov is a charasmatic guy. Said he was Canadian and wants to be better than Yakupov... "I know him and I've spoken with him a few times. I like him. He's a good guy," Zharkov said regarding Yakupov. Zharkov has size and is a scorer. 

He also was adamant he isn't going to Russia. He wants to play in NHL, and he said he has lots of people to prove wrong, since he was ranked as high as 32nd amongst North American skaters...

ROUND FOUR

8:58... With the 93rd pick the Oilers took Erik Gustafsson from Djurgarden. He's a left shooting D-man. He'll need to put on some weight, and he'll likely be a guy they develop slowly in Sweden. He's a 20-year-old.

2011/2012 stats... 3 goals, 7 points, 16 pims in 41 games with Djurgardens in the SEL

9:10... Still no Omark trade.

9:22... Florida takes a timeout...Fans boo, as does media who want this to keep going. There was 83 picks made in first 75 minutes and now a timeout...

ROUND FIVE

9:30... With the 2nd pick of the 5th round, and 123rd overall the Oilers select from the University of Denver, Joey Laleggia.

Laleggia is an offensive D-man. He played at the University of Denver last season, and spent the previous two seasons with the Pentiction Vees of the BCHL. He turns 20 tomorrow and was named rookie of the year in the WCHA this past season.

2011/2012 stats... 11 goals, 38 points, 16 pims in 43 games with Denver in the WCHA (college)
In 2010/2011 Laleggia had 20 goals and 82 points in 58 games. He's not very big, at only 5'10", 185, but he can move the puck.

9:42...Starting to get tweets and emails that the Oilers screwed made some bad picks. I've never understood how fans, who've never seen most of these kids play, actually think a young kid is an awful pick. I get if you go off the board in the first round, but in the 3rd, 4th and later rounds it is really a crap shoot. You draft for need as much as anything and you hope these kids pan out.

9:50... I count at least 15 players still sitting in the stands waiting to be drafted. If you kid is getting drafted in the next few years, unless they are rated in the top-100 in every ratings guide I wouldn't recommend them coming. Nothing worse than having your son sit through 210 picks and never hear his named called.

ROUND SIX

9:56... With the 153rd pick the Oilers select another big forward, and another 20-year old, John McCarron from Cornell University. McCarron is listed at 6'3" 215 pounds.

It is clear the depth of this draft class wasn't great, because we've seen numerous 20-year-olds taken thus far, and the Oilers have chosen three.

2011/2012 stats... 6 goals, 19 points, 61 pims in 35 games with Conrell in the ECAC (college)

Unless the Oilers make a trade, they are done drafting for today. I will have MacGregor's evaluation of the picks coming up at the conclusion of the draft.

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#101 mb
June 23 2012, 10:13AM
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I guess the Oilers should just fire all there scouts and just go off of one the mock drafts out there LOL oh but if they where so good would they not be working for one of the NHL teams????

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#102 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 10:14AM
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Spydyr wrote:

"both of these guys could have been had later"

And you know this how?

Do you have DSF's ability to look back in time and make the right pick every time?

These are 18 year old kids outside the first round it is a crap-shoot.

Right.

Because drafting a middling player because he's big and might magically become Lucic or Brown one is much less of a crap shoot.

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#103 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 10:14AM
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@JG:

"It is clear the depth of this draft class wasn't great, because we've seen numerous 20-year-olds taken thus far, and the Oilers have chosen three."

that's an interesting point.. so these guys were passed on at least once before right?

are these guys all going to college? that makes for awkward contract negotiations doesn't it?

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#104 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:14AM
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fuzzy muppet wrote:

It's about VALUE.

They could have taken moroz at least one round later.

These 4th line guys are a dime a dozen. You don't develop them when you can get them pretty much anytime.

Remember JFJ??? YUCK

This pick stinks from a value perspective. I'm fine with the other picks but to take this guy 32nd when any number of 1st round talents are still available is stupidity

I agree 100% it is about value.

Do you think Boston got good value for Lucic at 50? Or Benn at 129?

You have to take a chance to get those type of players.

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#105 michael
June 23 2012, 10:16AM
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In Stu We Trust. Calgary? There are days when you just wake up and think about nothing. Feaster must be in that mode. I feel for the Calgary fans. Not. They deserve the crud that Feaster puts out.

Omark? Not much to crow about as far as trades go.I think most GMs are holding thier cards close till after the draft and then we will see some movement,

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#106 fuzzy muppet
June 23 2012, 10:17AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I agree 100% it is about value.

Do you think Boston got good value for Lucic at 50? Or Benn at 129?

You have to take a chance to get those type of players.

Yes take a chance at #129 and maybe at #50.

NOT at #32 when there's still all sorts of first round talent still available.

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#107 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:18AM
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fuzzy muppet wrote:

Yes take a chance at #129 and maybe at #50.

NOT at #32 when there's still all sorts of first round talent still available.

They got the 31 st ranked player at 92.

It goes both ways.

Stu must have seen something in Moroz.

Only time will tell.

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#108 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 10:20AM
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fuzzy muppet wrote:

Yes take a chance at #129 and maybe at #50.

NOT at #32 when there's still all sorts of first round talent still available.

I agree... but stu claims he didn't think he was available at 63 and I guess watching him all year with the oil kings put stars in their eyes...

with jujhari seeming to be a similar player... why not take aberg or finn... hope for Moroz at 63 and if not take jujhari... that way you get the player type you want but don't burn a 32 pick???

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#109 oilers2k12
June 23 2012, 10:22AM
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I like today, especially the 3rd and 4th picks

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#110 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:23AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I agree... but stu claims he didn't think he was available at 63 and I guess watching him all year with the oil kings put stars in their eyes...

with jujhari seeming to be a similar player... why not take aberg or finn... hope for Moroz at 63 and if not take jujhari... that way you get the player type you want but don't burn a 32 pick???

I was hoping for Finn myself.Bigtime. My thought at the time was the team must have thought they had enough prospects on defence coming up and wanted some grit for the top six.

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#111 Pouzar99
June 23 2012, 10:24AM
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Thanks Jason. This really helps. Oil trying to bulk up as they should be. I totally agree about the overwhelming negativity of some who are passing judgement on kids they have never even heard of. Clearly losers trying to compensate for their own powerlessness. A man's got to know his limitations. Two days until the Justin Schultz sweepstakes kick in. Put Katz, Namby Tamby, Lowe, MacT, Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak and Petry on the private plane and go sell the kid on E town.

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#112 jonny94
June 23 2012, 10:24AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
In Stu we trust.

You do mean the same Stu who has a perfectly average draft record right?

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4220

Better than below average Prendergast. At least Oilers fans can finally have faith in someone like Stu that molds our future towards positives rather than negatives. It isn't the first time he's drafted someone earlier than expected... Jordan Eberle comes to mind; however I do not disagree with you that Moroz could have very well been available later.

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#113 fuzzy muppet
June 23 2012, 10:25AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I agree... but stu claims he didn't think he was available at 63 and I guess watching him all year with the oil kings put stars in their eyes...

with jujhari seeming to be a similar player... why not take aberg or finn... hope for Moroz at 63 and if not take jujhari... that way you get the player type you want but don't burn a 32 pick???

this

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#114 fuzzy muppet
June 23 2012, 10:30AM
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If they need size and grit, go get actual NHL players that are cheap.

They NEED Center prospects yet they didn't take a single one.

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#115 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:41AM
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No goalies taken...Guess the have big hopes for Roy and Bunz.

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#116 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 10:43AM
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some info/propaganda:

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=635790&navid=DL|EDM|home

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#117 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:43AM
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fuzzy muppet wrote:

If they need size and grit, go get actual NHL players that are cheap.

They NEED Center prospects yet they didn't take a single one.

It appears if they are looking for a player with size and grit that can play in the top 6.

Sure you get get lots of 4th liners with size and grit for cheap.Not top 6 ones.

Those type of players are not cheap.

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#118 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 10:46AM
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Spydyr wrote:

No goalies taken...Guess the have big hopes for Roy and Bunz.

and the finns

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#119 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:48AM
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Not taking any centers .Tambo not mentioning Gagner as a core player yesterday.

Could a trade be in the works?

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#120 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:49AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

and the finns

Thought the Finns stagnated this last year.They are young it is only one year.

From the EJ first paragraph

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/06/21/edmonton-oilers-goaltending-prospects-making-positive-strides-but-short-term-help-must-come-from-elsewhere/

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#121 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 10:51AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Thought the Finns stagnated this last year.They are young it is only one year.

From the EJ first paragraph

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/06/21/edmonton-oilers-goaltending-prospects-making-positive-strides-but-short-term-help-must-come-from-elsewhere/

I know basically nothing about them... they play all the way over there still and you don't get much reporting on them... who knows if they will ever even play in NA.

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#122 andrewmk20
June 23 2012, 10:55AM
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Amazing how disloyal Oiler fans are. After 4 years of great drafting by Stu Macgregor there's no trust. He's not Barry Fraser circa 1990's people. It's not like any of us heard of Martin Gernat or Tobias Reider last year and both had very good years in the WHL and OHL respectively.

I know Moroz is a reach but after Oscar Dansk is off the board I'm okay with this pick because the Oilers needed toughness and skill and although they have size neither Pitlick or Hamilton play like Moroz. After that the Oilers are shorter on forwards than defence on the development level, especially skill players and the Oilers got players with size and skill. None of these guys are like a Cam Abney who didn't even put up decent numbers in junior. All these players were able to chip in offensively.

Also wait 4-5 years to see how things go with the draft. Year after year people talk about how things would change significantly if there was a redraft. Like in 2008 Eberle and Karlsson would have gone in the top ten in hindsight. I'd rate both of them ahead of Luke Schenn for sure.

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#123 Spydyr
June 23 2012, 10:55AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I know basically nothing about them... they play all the way over there still and you don't get much reporting on them... who knows if they will ever even play in NA.

I edited an provided a link with some info on them.

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#124 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 11:02AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I edited an provided a link with some info on them.

thanks... I checked it out... looks like a bum year for both... but who knows Gs are weird beasts and can come out of nowhere.

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#125 madjam
June 23 2012, 11:04AM
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We got an exciting and valuable player in Yakupov . The rest add depth and size , and none may end up playing on our team. Thats not unusual to begin with . If you can get two players that eventually play on your club each year from your that's not so bad . Other clubs don't fair any better . We cannot consistently rely on the draft just to make us better , and thats where we are faltering badly . It's beyond the draft that needs major repair/fixing if we hope to field a competitive team .

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#126 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 11:06AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Amazing how disloyal Oiler fans are. After 4 years of great drafting by Stu Macgregor there's no trust. He's not Barry Fraser circa 1990's people. It's not like any of us heard of Martin Gernat or Tobias Reider last year and both had very good years in the WHL and OHL respectively.

I know Moroz is a reach but after Oscar Dansk is off the board I'm okay with this pick because the Oilers needed toughness and skill and although they have size neither Pitlick or Hamilton play like Moroz. After that the Oilers are shorter on forwards than defence on the development level, especially skill players and the Oilers got players with size and skill. None of these guys are like a Cam Abney who didn't even put up decent numbers in junior. All these players were able to chip in offensively.

Also wait 4-5 years to see how things go with the draft. Year after year people talk about how things would change significantly if there was a redraft. Like in 2008 Eberle and Karlsson would have gone in the top ten in hindsight. I'd rate both of them ahead of Luke Schenn for sure.

for the few bets that turn out there are dozens that fail.

i don't think it's unfair to ask

1) is this the best player available?

2) can this player be gotten later in the draft?

3) is the crapshoot of the later rounds such that "player type" is targeted over individual players... so can you create a list of 2-3 guys of the same mould, with the same upside and hold off on any particular pick?

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#127 fuzzy muppet
June 23 2012, 11:07AM
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@madjam

True.

Now the REAL work begins...fix the blueline.

Bring in actual NHLers to plug holes.

I don't think they bury NK and get a goalie(sigh). I mean Yakupov has to have SOMEONE to talk to right?

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#128 Oilfan69
June 23 2012, 11:07AM
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http://demo.nhlnumbers.com/ ?

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#129 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:10AM
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Spydyr wrote:

It appears if they are looking for a player with size and grit that can play in the top 6.

Sure you get get lots of 4th liners with size and grit for cheap.Not top 6 ones.

Those type of players are not cheap.

Moroz was a 4th liner on the Oil Kings. The odds of him playing top 6 on the Oilers are extremely low. The Oilers just drafted a functional 4th liner with the 32nd pick. Could have picked a better talent, developed him, then traded him for the 'size and grit' that they need. It's called asset management.

Once again, the odds of Moroz becoming another JFJ are much higher than him becoming a Benn or Lucic.

I'll say it: the 2nd to 7th round picks were not very good.

Red Line's summation of Zharkov is abysmal. They say he is a floater, diver ("gets knocked down by a feather") and seems disinterested when the going gets tough. Red Line's take on Laleggia: he is a great passer but awful defensively, especially when the opposition initiates contact. A small, left-handed Dman who cannot play defense? There had to be better D or center flyers than this IMO.

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#130 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 11:10AM
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madjam wrote:

We got an exciting and valuable player in Yakupov . The rest add depth and size , and none may end up playing on our team. Thats not unusual to begin with . If you can get two players that eventually play on your club each year from your that's not so bad . Other clubs don't fair any better . We cannot consistently rely on the draft just to make us better , and thats where we are faltering badly . It's beyond the draft that needs major repair/fixing if we hope to field a competitive team .

but the series of firsts are a gimmie... if you eff that up you're completely useless.

it's the 2nd round on that you prove your scouting... you have to cover some of those bets to prove your worth as a scout

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#131 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:11AM
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@andrewmk20

...both had very good years in the WHL and OHL respectively

This is the key. I will join the "in Stu we trust" crown when some of these fantastic picks start playing in the NHL.

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#132 dawgbone
June 23 2012, 11:14AM
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@jonny94

It's really hard to mess #1 OV picks up, which has been mostly what McGregor has been drafting.

Yeah, Eberle went early, anywhere between 3 and 7 picks early depending on where you look. Not quite the same as picking a guy 60 spots ahead of his highest ranked position.

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#133 andrewmk20
June 23 2012, 11:15AM
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Also with the way the LA Kings and Boston have won the cup the past two years teams are looking more and more for guys with size who can play the game. Look at how depth like Dwight King and Jordan Nolan changed the dynamics of the Kings units. King moved between the second and third line and provided good fore-checking and punished opponents along the half wall and back boards and ditto for Nolan minus the offensive contributions. I mean Teuvo Teravainen fell about 11 spots and Tom Wilson was drafted ahead of him because teams are looking for more physically mature players that can handle the rigor of the NHL. In terms of pure skill up front the Oilers have as much as any club in the NHL. It's the lack of toughness up front, a thin and offensively weak defence, and unstable goal-tending that have gotten them to where they are.

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#134 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:16AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Amazing how disloyal Oiler fans are. After 4 years of great drafting by Stu Macgregor there's no trust. He's not Barry Fraser circa 1990's people. It's not like any of us heard of Martin Gernat or Tobias Reider last year and both had very good years in the WHL and OHL respectively.

I know Moroz is a reach but after Oscar Dansk is off the board I'm okay with this pick because the Oilers needed toughness and skill and although they have size neither Pitlick or Hamilton play like Moroz. After that the Oilers are shorter on forwards than defence on the development level, especially skill players and the Oilers got players with size and skill. None of these guys are like a Cam Abney who didn't even put up decent numbers in junior. All these players were able to chip in offensively.

Also wait 4-5 years to see how things go with the draft. Year after year people talk about how things would change significantly if there was a redraft. Like in 2008 Eberle and Karlsson would have gone in the top ten in hindsight. I'd rate both of them ahead of Luke Schenn for sure.

That is because Stu picked the BPA in the previous drafts. This year they were clearly targeting organizational need. That is a recipe for failure. If he continued to draft the BPA this year, they could turn those assets into players that fit organizational need (via trade). It is also much easier/cheaper to sign 'grit' than skill in free agency.

Stu is opening himself up for criticism when he changes his philosophy. Lots of busts this year.

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#135 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:17AM
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Better than below average Prendergast. At least Oilers fans can finally have faith in someone like Stu that molds our future towards positives rather than negatives. It isn't the first time he's drafted someone earlier than expected... Jordan Eberle comes to mind; however I do not disagree with you that Moroz could have very well been available later.

Jordan Eberle was not an off-the-board pick.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/5/14/the-jordan-eberle-selection

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#136 striatic
June 23 2012, 11:17AM
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not drafting a single centre is fascinating.

i wonder what the plan is.

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#137 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:19AM
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@GVBlackhawk

Lots of busts this year.

That's hardly fair considering they were all just picked today. Can they have a year or two to develop before labeling them busts?

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#138 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:22AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Also with the way the LA Kings and Boston have won the cup the past two years teams are looking more and more for guys with size who can play the game. Look at how depth like Dwight King and Jordan Nolan changed the dynamics of the Kings units. King moved between the second and third line and provided good fore-checking and punished opponents along the half wall and back boards and ditto for Nolan minus the offensive contributions. I mean Teuvo Teravainen fell about 11 spots and Tom Wilson was drafted ahead of him because teams are looking for more physically mature players that can handle the rigor of the NHL. In terms of pure skill up front the Oilers have as much as any club in the NHL. It's the lack of toughness up front, a thin and offensively weak defence, and unstable goal-tending that have gotten them to where they are.

Another reason why LA and Boston won the Cup...they had great top 6 forwards, solid defense, and Vezina quality goaltending.

Pretty sure LA wins the Cup without King, Nolan and Fraser.

A lot of people are really over-valuing 'grit' and 'truculence'. Top end talent is the key to a winning team. The rest is just interchangeable filler.

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#139 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:23AM
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@andrewmk20

Look at how depth like Dwight King and Jordan Nolan changed the dynamics of the Kings units.

Dwight King - drafted 109th overall.

Jordan Nolan - drafted 186th overall.

See the problem with your examples yet?

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#140 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:24AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Another reason why LA and Boston won the Cup...they had great top 6 forwards, solid defense, and Vezina quality goaltending.

Pretty sure LA wins the Cup without King, Nolan and Fraser.

A lot of people are really over-valuing 'grit' and 'truculence'. Top end talent is the key to a winning team. The rest is just interchangeable filler.

I mean - Kopitar and Quick couldn't possibly have anything to do with winning could they?

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#141 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:27AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Lots of busts this year.

That's hardly fair considering they were all just picked today. Can they have a year or two to develop before labeling them busts?

Sure. If it makes you feel better, give them five years of playing 3rd and 4th line roles in the minors before shipping them out.

Yakupov will be a top 6 RW. Moroz will be a 4th line LW. The rest will have to compete against better quality prospects and established free agents to make the team. The odds are extremely low that they pan out -- those are busts IMO. Time will tell, of course.

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#142 jonny94
June 23 2012, 11:29AM
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dawgbone wrote:

@jonny94

It's really hard to mess #1 OV picks up, which has been mostly what McGregor has been drafting.

Yeah, Eberle went early, anywhere between 3 and 7 picks early depending on where you look. Not quite the same as picking a guy 60 spots ahead of his highest ranked position.

I'm not sure where you translated the whole #1 overall pick as I did not mention that once. Clearly its not hard (or shouldn't be) to pick the consensus #1 pick; I'm simply stating that MacGregor is a much improved scout than Prendergast and that there is reason why you see "In Stu We Trust" quotes flying around here based solely off of how poorly our drafting was under Prendergast. Eberle actually went 12 picks early for the record and his scouting report had a lot of odds against him considering his size and his perimeter play which is still considered a gamble seeing as how important your 1st round pick is. Can you please name me a player who was picked 60 spots ahead of his ranked position that shined in the NHL? I don't think I've heard of one scout that pulled that one off but please correct me if I'm wrong.

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#143 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:30AM
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Sure. If it makes you feel better, give them five years of playing 3rd and 4th line roles in the minors before shipping them out.

Yakupov will be a top 6 RW. Moroz will be a 4th line LW. The rest will have to compete against better quality prospects and established free agents to make the team. The odds are extremely low that they pan out -- those are busts IMO. Time will tell, of course.

The odds of any pick that late panning out are extremely low. If you've been reading I've been on here all morning blasting the picks, but it doesn't make them busts until they actually bust.

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#144 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:33AM
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Eberle actually went 12 picks early for the record

This is false. Central had him at 33 but that was the lowest of anybody. Everybody else had him as a first rounder.

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Fair enough. Questioning is a good thing, I'm talking about the people posting messages like fire the scouting staff, etc. Those people are the ones I'm referring to, not to the ones who are actually making fair points on the fact that Moroz and Jujhar Khaira are similar players and that Moroz could have been there are 62. But I just made a post about the way the Kings and Boston have won the past few years and Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

I know that we see rankings and then say hey the player could have been picked later but the results of the season affect the draft table as well. Teams see how the Stanley cup went and then look at the draft and say hey how did teams win this year in the playoffs. Much like how I noticed that after the lockout more teams were going out and picking small skill guys earlier in the draft because the style of play had changed and pure skill was able to thrive in the NHL (Ennis, Eberle, etc.). Now with the NHL moving back closer to the clutch and grab era the picking style has shifted again.

Also after the first round do any of us know who is BPA? Are any of us scouts, do any of us go on the road and watch these 200 plus kids playing hockey. Really we only have scouting reports to read and they aren't foolproof either. Del Zotto was ranked 32nd, John Carlson ranked 37th, and Karlsson was ranked 41st by RLR. Ummm... do over?

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I mean - Kopitar and Quick couldn't possibly have anything to do with winning could they?

No, Kopitar and Quick were clearly bystanders in the Cup run. They are very lucky to have all the 'role players' who carried the team.

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Lots of busts this year.

That's hardly fair considering they were all just picked today. Can they have a year or two to develop before labeling them busts?

That's my position exactly...

you and I are in sync

first blush: this is a dangerous series of picks unforced by the circumstances. instant reaction = a bust

but... who knows... in 4 years maybe a couple of these guys will really pan out and Aberg, Finn Thrower etc will all end up in a ditch...

but those are still the results from unnecessary gambles.

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Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

If he had been drafted as late as either of them nobody would be complaining.

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Jordan Eberle was not an off-the-board pick.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/5/14/the-jordan-eberle-selection

"There was never anything obvious about the Jordan Eberle selection."

"Fortunately for Oilers fans, Stu MacGregor and his scouting staff made the pick. They saw the tremendous goal-scoring skills and hockey sense possessed by Eberle. They looked past his flaws, looked by the Tedenby’s and Nemisz’s of the world, and picked the guy they thought was the best selection. History has shown it to be an inspired pick."

Clearly there were players available ranked higher then Eberle that the Oilers could have drafted. Once again I will state that I do not disagree with you that the Moroz pick was a great one all I'm saying is MacGregor is an improvement from Prendergast. Thats it thats all.

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Fair enough. Questioning is a good thing, I'm talking about the people posting messages like fire the scouting staff, etc. Those people are the ones I'm referring to, not to the ones who are actually making fair points on the fact that Moroz and Jujhar Khaira are similar players and that Moroz could have been there are 62. But I just made a post about the way the Kings and Boston have won the past few years and Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

I know that we see rankings and then say hey the player could have been picked later but the results of the season affect the draft table as well. Teams see how the Stanley cup went and then look at the draft and say hey how did teams win this year in the playoffs. Much like how I noticed that after the lockout more teams were going out and picking small skill guys earlier in the draft because the style of play had changed and pure skill was able to thrive in the NHL (Ennis, Eberle, etc.). Now with the NHL moving back closer to the clutch and grab era the picking style has shifted again.

Also after the first round do any of us know who is BPA? Are any of us scouts, do any of us go on the road and watch these 200 plus kids playing hockey. Really we only have scouting reports to read and they aren't foolproof either. Del Zotto was ranked 32nd, John Carlson ranked 37th, and Karlsson was ranked 41st by RLR. Ummm... do over?

But King was drafted in the fourth round and Nolan was drafted in the 7th round.

You just don't draft players of that ilk 32nd overall.

They're available every year in the offseason.

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