LIVE BLOG DAY TWO....

Jason Gregor
June 23 2012 10:09AM

 

I'll be live blogging from the draft floor in Pittsburgh today.

The Oilers have an opportunity to add some depth to the organization today, and I expect them to add some players with a combination of size and skill.

The Oilers are currently scheduled to have six picks today, but I expect them to make a move or two so those numbers could change.

ROUND TWO

8:04 MST: Columbus doesn't surprise anyone and take goalie Oscar Dansk.

8:05: The Oilers needed some much needed grit and toughness, but they needed it in the form of a player who can play, so they took rugged winger Mitch Moroz from the Oil Kings. This might have been a bit early, but I spoke to Stu MacGregor on Thursday and he was worried that he wouldn't be there at #63.

They are really high on Moroz's overall game, but mostly that he is hard to play against, tough and he has some decent skill.

2011/2012 stats... 16 goals, 25 points, 131 pims in 66 games with Oil Kings in WHL.

I'm sure many will say this was a reach, and a bit early, but teams rarely trade "functional toughness" and the Oilers have virtually none in their organization. It will be a few years before we see Moroz, but the Oilers clearly deviated from the "best player available" motto with this pick.

8:21: Go talk to Moroz...clips to come.

8:29: Round two ends...Took 25 minutes...Round one took four hours. NHL needs to find a way to speed up the first round, four hours is ridiculous.

ROUND THREE

8:30: With the 63rd pick the Oilers pick Jujhar Khaira from Prince George of the BCHL.

Khaira is a big kid, standing 6'2 and 205 pounds already. "I'm a power forward, play a two-way game. I'm really good below the goalline in the offensive zone and finding guys in the slot," he said.

"I'm pumped to be going to Edmonton, they have my favourite player, Taylor Hall and I watched Nugent-Hopkins growing up in Burnaby, so I'm excited to maybe play with them."

Khaira has a scholarship to Michigan Tech, but Everett just traded for his rights, and he said he'll talk to the Oilers about what route is best for his career.

2011/2012 stats... 29 goals, 79 points, 69 pims in 54 games with Spruce Kings in BCHL.

8:55... The oilers acquired this 3rd rounder from  the Kings as part of the Dustin Penner trade...

The 91st pick of the draft and the last pick of the 3rd round the Oilers select from the Belleville Bulls of the OHL, Daniil Zharkov. Zharkov is another big body, 6'3, 200 pounds. Shoots left, plays LW and tallied 23 goals and 36 points in 50 games with Belleville.

2011/2012 stats... 23 goals, 36 points, 25 pims in 50 games with Belleville of the OHL.

Zharkov is a charasmatic guy. Said he was Canadian and wants to be better than Yakupov... "I know him and I've spoken with him a few times. I like him. He's a good guy," Zharkov said regarding Yakupov. Zharkov has size and is a scorer. 

He also was adamant he isn't going to Russia. He wants to play in NHL, and he said he has lots of people to prove wrong, since he was ranked as high as 32nd amongst North American skaters...

ROUND FOUR

8:58... With the 93rd pick the Oilers took Erik Gustafsson from Djurgarden. He's a left shooting D-man. He'll need to put on some weight, and he'll likely be a guy they develop slowly in Sweden. He's a 20-year-old.

2011/2012 stats... 3 goals, 7 points, 16 pims in 41 games with Djurgardens in the SEL

9:10... Still no Omark trade.

9:22... Florida takes a timeout...Fans boo, as does media who want this to keep going. There was 83 picks made in first 75 minutes and now a timeout...

ROUND FIVE

9:30... With the 2nd pick of the 5th round, and 123rd overall the Oilers select from the University of Denver, Joey Laleggia.

Laleggia is an offensive D-man. He played at the University of Denver last season, and spent the previous two seasons with the Pentiction Vees of the BCHL. He turns 20 tomorrow and was named rookie of the year in the WCHA this past season.

2011/2012 stats... 11 goals, 38 points, 16 pims in 43 games with Denver in the WCHA (college)
In 2010/2011 Laleggia had 20 goals and 82 points in 58 games. He's not very big, at only 5'10", 185, but he can move the puck.

9:42...Starting to get tweets and emails that the Oilers screwed made some bad picks. I've never understood how fans, who've never seen most of these kids play, actually think a young kid is an awful pick. I get if you go off the board in the first round, but in the 3rd, 4th and later rounds it is really a crap shoot. You draft for need as much as anything and you hope these kids pan out.

9:50... I count at least 15 players still sitting in the stands waiting to be drafted. If you kid is getting drafted in the next few years, unless they are rated in the top-100 in every ratings guide I wouldn't recommend them coming. Nothing worse than having your son sit through 210 picks and never hear his named called.

ROUND SIX

9:56... With the 153rd pick the Oilers select another big forward, and another 20-year old, John McCarron from Cornell University. McCarron is listed at 6'3" 215 pounds.

It is clear the depth of this draft class wasn't great, because we've seen numerous 20-year-olds taken thus far, and the Oilers have chosen three.

2011/2012 stats... 6 goals, 19 points, 61 pims in 35 games with Conrell in the ECAC (college)

Unless the Oilers make a trade, they are done drafting for today. I will have MacGregor's evaluation of the picks coming up at the conclusion of the draft.

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#151 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:34AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I mean - Kopitar and Quick couldn't possibly have anything to do with winning could they?

No, Kopitar and Quick were clearly bystanders in the Cup run. They are very lucky to have all the 'role players' who carried the team.

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#152 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 11:36AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Lots of busts this year.

That's hardly fair considering they were all just picked today. Can they have a year or two to develop before labeling them busts?

That's my position exactly...

you and I are in sync

first blush: this is a dangerous series of picks unforced by the circumstances. instant reaction = a bust

but... who knows... in 4 years maybe a couple of these guys will really pan out and Aberg, Finn Thrower etc will all end up in a ditch...

but those are still the results from unnecessary gambles.

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#153 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:38AM
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@andrewmk20

Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

If he had been drafted as late as either of them nobody would be complaining.

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#154 jonny94
June 23 2012, 11:40AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Jordan Eberle was not an off-the-board pick.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/5/14/the-jordan-eberle-selection

"There was never anything obvious about the Jordan Eberle selection."

"Fortunately for Oilers fans, Stu MacGregor and his scouting staff made the pick. They saw the tremendous goal-scoring skills and hockey sense possessed by Eberle. They looked past his flaws, looked by the Tedenby’s and Nemisz’s of the world, and picked the guy they thought was the best selection. History has shown it to be an inspired pick."

Clearly there were players available ranked higher then Eberle that the Oilers could have drafted. Once again I will state that I do not disagree with you that the Moroz pick was a great one all I'm saying is MacGregor is an improvement from Prendergast. Thats it thats all.

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#155 DSF
June 23 2012, 11:40AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Fair enough. Questioning is a good thing, I'm talking about the people posting messages like fire the scouting staff, etc. Those people are the ones I'm referring to, not to the ones who are actually making fair points on the fact that Moroz and Jujhar Khaira are similar players and that Moroz could have been there are 62. But I just made a post about the way the Kings and Boston have won the past few years and Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

I know that we see rankings and then say hey the player could have been picked later but the results of the season affect the draft table as well. Teams see how the Stanley cup went and then look at the draft and say hey how did teams win this year in the playoffs. Much like how I noticed that after the lockout more teams were going out and picking small skill guys earlier in the draft because the style of play had changed and pure skill was able to thrive in the NHL (Ennis, Eberle, etc.). Now with the NHL moving back closer to the clutch and grab era the picking style has shifted again.

Also after the first round do any of us know who is BPA? Are any of us scouts, do any of us go on the road and watch these 200 plus kids playing hockey. Really we only have scouting reports to read and they aren't foolproof either. Del Zotto was ranked 32nd, John Carlson ranked 37th, and Karlsson was ranked 41st by RLR. Ummm... do over?

But King was drafted in the fourth round and Nolan was drafted in the 7th round.

You just don't draft players of that ilk 32nd overall.

They're available every year in the offseason.

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#156 jonny94
June 23 2012, 11:41AM
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@TigerUnderGlass

How is that false if a scout has him at 33? Can you please provide the rest of the scouts that had him ranked and where then?

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#157 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:42AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Moroz is similar to the likes of Dwight King and Jordan Nolan.

If he had been drafted as late as either of them nobody would be complaining.

Exactly.

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#158 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:43AM
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jonny94 wrote:

"There was never anything obvious about the Jordan Eberle selection."

"Fortunately for Oilers fans, Stu MacGregor and his scouting staff made the pick. They saw the tremendous goal-scoring skills and hockey sense possessed by Eberle. They looked past his flaws, looked by the Tedenby’s and Nemisz’s of the world, and picked the guy they thought was the best selection. History has shown it to be an inspired pick."

Clearly there were players available ranked higher then Eberle that the Oilers could have drafted. Once again I will state that I do not disagree with you that the Moroz pick was a great one all I'm saying is MacGregor is an improvement from Prendergast. Thats it thats all.

Big difference between skipping a handful of guys and taking a guy 60 spots early.

Eberle was a great pick. My point was simply that he wasn't a reach, he was picked in the range of picks he was expected to go.

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#159 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2012, 11:45AM
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Perhaps I am nit-picking the scouting staff a bit. At least they didn't go off the board and draft the 876th player 21st overall.

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#160 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:47AM
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@jonny94

FFS:

A) 33rd is 11 picks, not 12.

B) I already gave a link that has 2 others lists putting him in the first round. If that's not enough do your own research. Nobody else had him outside the first round. I don't care if you believe that enough to spend time looking for you.

Eberle was not a reach.

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#161 jonny94
June 23 2012, 11:47AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Big difference between skipping a handful of guys and taking a guy 60 spots early.

Eberle was a great pick. My point was simply that he wasn't a reach, he was picked in the range of picks he was expected to go.

Where is this whole taking 60 spots earlier coming from? I did not say Jordan Eberle was a huge stretch all I said was it was a gamble. He was a SMALL forward on an already small Oilers squad. What scout has ever picked a player 60 spots ahead and that player been an impact player?

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#162 andrewmk20
June 23 2012, 11:48AM
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@GVBlackhawk

Stating the obvious, that's why I didn't think I needed to say it. But there has to be more to a team than those three qualities you spoke about because all the teams that reach the conference finals have that and some teams in the semi finals have most of those qualities. Teams need depth to win and need to be able to withstand the rigors of both the regular season and playoffs which means having the ability to withstand injuries/poor play of players who started the season in the top 12.

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#163 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:48AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Perhaps I am nit-picking the scouting staff a bit. At least they didn't go off the board and draft the 876th player 21st overall.

No. It is absurd to use a top 50 pick on a guy with almost no hope of becoming an impact player. It would have been more valuable used in a trade.

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#164 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 11:48AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Perhaps I am nit-picking the scouting staff a bit. At least they didn't go off the board and draft the 876th player 21st overall.

this!!!

Oh... man that was sweet...

why didn't they trade down further if they were so high on a bag of twizzlers?

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#165 Rama Lama
June 23 2012, 11:53AM
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I do like our selections.........not too sure about picking Moroz in the second round ?

The only that has become painfully obvious is that Tamby is Totally incapable of making even a small trade. The entire world knows that we coveted Henrik Samuelson, but could not move up to get him. How pathetic is this GM? Too pathetic for words.

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#166 jonny94
June 23 2012, 11:54AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

FFS:

A) 33rd is 11 picks, not 12.

B) I already gave a link that has 2 others lists putting him in the first round. If that's not enough do your own research. Nobody else had him outside the first round. I don't care if you believe that enough to spend time looking for you.

Eberle was not a reach.

Eberle was a reach, there were several players ranked ahead of him. I don't know why thats so hard for you to wrap your head around that.

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#167 andrewmk20
June 23 2012, 11:54AM
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@TigerUnderGlass

That's what I mean. When players like this are able to have an affect on the game it changes the way people think at the draft table, making them more likely to go higher than usual. Besides this draft is a complete crapshoot because of how weak it is so this draft is going to be more of draft for need than BPA.

Also if it's so easy to get bottom six players why are the Oilers so horrible at it? Seriously I'm asking because I don't know why they can be so bad at it.

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#168 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 11:56AM
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jonny94 wrote:

Where is this whole taking 60 spots earlier coming from? I did not say Jordan Eberle was a huge stretch all I said was it was a gamble. He was a SMALL forward on an already small Oilers squad. What scout has ever picked a player 60 spots ahead and that player been an impact player?

Have you lost track of the conversation already?

You brought Eberle up as an example of an early reach pick in defense of these picks today.

It isn't the first time he's drafted someone earlier than expected... Jordan Eberle comes to mind

This of course makes it my responsibility to poinht out that Eberle and Moroz were very different picks.

Big difference between skipping a handful of guys and taking a guy 60 spots early.

Then you said:

What scout has ever picked a player 60 spots ahead and that player been an impact player?

Which is hilarious because this is a vague version of the point I've been hammering on all morning.

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#169 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 12:00PM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

That's what I mean. When players like this are able to have an affect on the game it changes the way people think at the draft table, making them more likely to go higher than usual. Besides this draft is a complete crapshoot because of how weak it is so this draft is going to be more of draft for need than BPA.

Also if it's so easy to get bottom six players why are the Oilers so horrible at it? Seriously I'm asking because I don't know why they can be so bad at it.

ie. Smart GMs take them when it is appropriate to do so and stupid GMs see this and take them too early.

I think the Oilers are so bad at it partly because they haven't been trying for the last couple years. They have historically ran pretty decent bottom sixes. Look at the bottom six from the cup run. Very good.

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#170 Dave Lumley
June 23 2012, 12:01PM
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Off topic question. Why does Anahiem want to trade Bobby Ryan? Is it just cap space or what?

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#171 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2012, 12:02PM
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It's been fun but I gotta run. Be back for a laugh later tonight.

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#172 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 12:04PM
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Dave Lumley wrote:

Off topic question. Why does Anahiem want to trade Bobby Ryan? Is it just cap space or what?

hasn't he wanted out for awhile... he's been trade bait for like a year now, no?

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#173 andrewmk20
June 23 2012, 12:05PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Fair enough. Still want to give it some time to actually see how this draft pans out though. I am disappointed by the fact they didn't draft Matt Finn though since he was considered a 1st round pick and an intelligent well rounded dman.

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#174 jonny94
June 23 2012, 12:07PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Did I not say to you that I agree with you in regards to the Moroz pick? I'll say it again: Hey TigerUnderGlass I AGREE that Moroz pick wasn't the best choice for a 2nd round pick.

In regards to the Eberle selection I stated that in comparison to something Prendergast could never do: see potential in players higher then they should be drafted not to defend MacGregor. You may have taken that comment a little too literal when I said it isn't the 1st time he has drafted someone higher then expected.

My whole point that you seem to overlook which is why I even bothered quoting you in the first place which now I'm really starting to regret based on how up in arms you get: MacGregor is a better scout than Prendergast. Do you not agree or do you want to argue about that?

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#175 Matt Henderson
June 23 2012, 12:18PM
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The Oilers must have looked at their organization and thought "holy Hanna! We have no forwards worth a lick of damn in our system." All the A1 guys are in the NHL and the rest are edging on being suspects not prospects.

I was afraid they were going to sacrifice BPA in favor of position (Defense), but that wasn't the case at all. Kind of surprised they didn't try to hit home runs at defense on day 2.

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#176 Jaggedstream
June 23 2012, 12:29PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Moroz was a 4th liner on the Oil Kings. The odds of him playing top 6 on the Oilers are extremely low. The Oilers just drafted a functional 4th liner with the 32nd pick. Could have picked a better talent, developed him, then traded him for the 'size and grit' that they need. It's called asset management.

Once again, the odds of Moroz becoming another JFJ are much higher than him becoming a Benn or Lucic.

I'll say it: the 2nd to 7th round picks were not very good.

Red Line's summation of Zharkov is abysmal. They say he is a floater, diver ("gets knocked down by a feather") and seems disinterested when the going gets tough. Red Line's take on Laleggia: he is a great passer but awful defensively, especially when the opposition initiates contact. A small, left-handed Dman who cannot play defense? There had to be better D or center flyers than this IMO.

I wonder if they considered passing on making a pick.

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#177 Autooiler
June 23 2012, 12:31PM
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I hope Stu and company got it right. I am really unsure of them drafting so many overagers. It's good because you have a better idea of what you have. But bad because there is less potential there. You should know what your getting with the overagers. But there may not be any pleasant surprises like Zetterberg or Datsyuk.

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#178 Smokey
June 23 2012, 12:48PM
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Gregor, how does Moroz compare to Stephan Matteau. If I recall numbers and abilities are similar. The thing about Moroz that I see is he's big and can skate. He may not necessarily be too big of a reach?

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#179 Smokey
June 23 2012, 12:52PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

is burke allergic to ties??

why does he wear one and then not tie it?

it's like those idiots that take a helmet but leave it on their handlebars of their bike

I think club policy should state he ties the thing rather then what he does. It's less assinine the his dumb hat policy for draftees.

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#181 madjam
June 23 2012, 01:05PM
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Hartekainen was well over the 100th spot and looks like he might crack lineup this year . Many do if you also look at other clubs and other years with our own Oilers over the years . Who knows for sure what one or two perhaps later round picks might emerge this season from AHL squad ? Can't expect all our draft choices to make the club anyways . Building outside the draft is just as important , if not more so ! I don't believe you can build a contending club with just draft picks to begin with - nobody has ever done it .

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#182 Tayranchula
June 23 2012, 01:33PM
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I think Moroz pick was a good pick for the team but he obviously wont be the best player taken out of the second round down the road. Leggolia seems like a Tobias Enstrom type with the size and point production. Really stoked on the Russian from Belville, he might be a steal.

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#183 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 01:36PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Please enlighten us why he has no hope of being an impact player? What are you basing that on? Your experience to predict the growth and maturation of players?

I don't compare players to other guys, cause it is inaccurate, but since people have brought up Lucic...

In his draft year he had nine goals and 19 points. Was anyone certain he'd be an impact player? Not for sure, but he was drafted there because they felt he had upside.

Moroz had 16 goals his draft year, in limited minutes. He has a solid presence as a player, and isn't just a goon. He can play. And teams rarely trade those types of players, so you need to draft them, and there wasn't many in this draft.

Time will tell if he'll progress. And four different teams would have taken Moroz in the 2nd round...Winnipeg really liked him and so did Carolina, Philly and Anaheim.

Ken Holland has said numerous times...If you really like a player, then you can take him a round early if necessary. Oilers liked Moroz, and rather than risk losing him they took him. Sure it likely was a bit early, but their needs were different than other teams.

We'll see if he'll pan out. But saying he has no chance to be an impact player is rather premature since no one knows for sure.

Well I don't want to fight Tiger's fight... but this conversation ranged over numerous comments and you're not being fair to him...

Even in the quote you took, you seem to ignore his qualification repeatedly... not "no hope" but "almost no hope"

also see his comment #137:

"That's hardly fair considering they were all just picked today. Can they have a year or two to develop before labeling them busts?"

he went out of his way not to dismiss these guys and call the busts from the get go.

maybe that's splitting hairs... but isn't that what this is about... splitting hairs on long-shots??

The points being...

1) it is unreasonable to say this is an abject failure when no one knows until 2-4 years down the line

2) it is totally reasonable to question taking a wild card player at 32 when there is still high-calibre consensus talent on the board (Aberg, Colberg, Finn, Thrower, etc, etc.) and you probably have a good shot at getting him at 63.

3) when your 32 and 63 picks look similar and both fitting "need" rather than BPA (caveat... hard to tell that late), it is reasonable to question the overall draft philosophy... not to say definitively it is broken.. but to question it

4) let's be honest... a late round guy playing power forward style would be extraordinarily lucky to turn into Ben Eager. That would upset expectations and cover bets big time.... the chance that that player turns into Lucic or Benn is beyond rare... that's why Lucic and Benn stand out, because they are EXCEPTIONS and not the RULE.

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#184 Quicksilver ballet
June 23 2012, 01:40PM
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Hello Jason, thanks for keeping us work types up to date.

What was your impression of Igor Larionov by mid afternoon on friday? Was he open and willing to cooperate with all things Edmonton at this time, or was there a little bit of tension there you think?

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#185 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 01:41PM
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Smokey wrote:

I think club policy should state he ties the thing rather then what he does. It's less assinine the his dumb hat policy for draftees.

just about everything he does is irritating. living in Toronto I have to see his stupid face on tv all the time

i mean... just go tieless... ties suck, I get it... but you look like a jerk draping one over your shoulders like that

and the no hats... that's like Steinbrenner and his sideburns/short hair policy... it's a power trip, not substantive

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#186 MrCondor
June 23 2012, 01:57PM
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I think 1st and 2nd round picks should be for BPA, the rest spent on organizational needs with the hope the dice fall in your favour.

With that reasoning I think Moroz wasn't the best pick, but besides that good draft.

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#187 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 23 2012, 02:07PM
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It' great to express your opinions here, thats the point of a blog. But lets try and keep it real. Obviously Sut McGregor and and his staff know ALOT more about these prospects than ANYONE posting here. So it's one thing to state a personal preference or feeling that you have about one player or another based on having read a magazine or checked out a bunch of lists, but try a show a little respect and perhaps gain a little understanding for what Stu and his staff are trying to accomplish. If you listen to him, they are trying to get Heavier with picks 2 through 7. Did they draft D-men No. Did they draft Centers No. All the centers and D men that would be functionally usefull to us were gone. So better to pick BIG guys who might play a useful role in your bottom six ( and maybe bottom nine if you get lucky)Big Heavy guys who will LEAN on other teams top six and wear them down. And then take a few fliers on guys who slipped down the list like the Russian kid out of Bellville.

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#188 moosewacker
June 23 2012, 02:08PM
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Never drew the Burke/Steinbrenner comparison until now but I think about it ...Wonder if he has a George to get him a Calzone

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#189 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 23 2012, 02:15PM
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I think that part of this strategy is due to the fact that we have drafted BPA for the last couple of years and that given the years in which we were drafting at #1 the top players werent that big physically so now we're trying to compenstate for that. Makes sense to me.

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#190 moosewacker
June 23 2012, 02:15PM
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How much value in being able to control the development of your prospect directly ? No way Moroz is a 4th liner for the Oil Kings next year

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#191 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 23 2012, 02:19PM
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George! Get me a Calzone!

Love it.

Anyone else think that Burke lost what little credibility he had left when he stated he intended to draft Morgan Rielly first overall???

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#192 Quicksilver ballet
June 23 2012, 02:27PM
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@ old retired guy.

Burkes draft list is lot different that the 4 clubs ahead of him.

Brians draft list doesn't include Yakupov,Murray or Galchenyuk. He's in the 5 slot, why include them when some or all of those guys are gone?

It's not much of a reach if he's thinking of it from that aspect. Orielly was first on their hopeful/may be available list, not first overall.

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#193 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 23 2012, 02:35PM
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@ Dark Parade

If what you're saying is the case then I agree completey.

From the clips I saw I took him to mean drafting in the number one spot first overall, he would have picked Reilly. Which would just be Burke trying to rain on everyone elses parade and trying to compensate for doing NOTHING at the draft by making leafs fans beleive that they somehow got the top talent in this years draft. I'll have to look at again though based on what you said.

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#194 Rama Lama
June 23 2012, 02:43PM
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I think that the reason Mac T was brought in is because Tamby has not abilities to pull off a trade of any consequesce.

I still beside myself, that the Oilers were not able to move up a few spots from 31 to let's say 25-27 and take Samuelson, the player that we have always tried to find. Tha being someone being good enough to rotate through the top six to give our skilled guys some time and space.

Moroz in not that guy but a solid third line type of guy. Once again, we will be searching the league for that type of player when he was right under our nose.

Mark Spector is right...............its time for Tamby to do something for his team, instead of letting everyone else do the heavy lifting.

Thats what a real GM does...........instead we have Mr. Dithers!

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#195 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 02:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

@ old retired guy.

Burkes draft list is lot different that the 4 clubs ahead of him.

Brians draft list doesn't include Yakupov,Murray or Galchenyuk. He's in the 5 slot, why include them when some or all of those guys are gone?

It's not much of a reach if he's thinking of it from that aspect. Orielly was first on their hopeful/may be available list, not first overall.

I've hunted around... I can't find this quote... it's not here:

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=635&id=182343&cmpid=embed-share-video

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#198 Wanyes bastard child
June 23 2012, 02:54PM
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@Jason Gregor

Have you finished mocking Kent yet about Calgarys first round?

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#199 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 03:00PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

So if Finn and Thrower were so good, why did they drop that far? I don't know the answer, but clearly they were potentially overrated going into draft, and maybe Moroz was underrated.

I didn't see the #137 comment from Tiger about saying busts, so that is good, because no one can say who is a bust just yet.

And considering the % of players that make it to the NHL, I don't know if I would call any day-two picks busts to be honest. The odds are stacked against them to make it.

I don't know why they fell... but maybe one could say they went closer to their projections then Moroz?

I think you are right about odds of making the show... big hills to climb.

I guess the debate is 1) how far to extend trust to Stu; and 2) the team clearly went after "need" rather than BPA in rounds 2 and 3... it's up for grabs how far from projections those guys are... but I'd wonder if that is a good strategy...

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#200 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 23 2012, 03:03PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

Have you finished mocking Kent yet about Calgarys first round?

that pick makes the Moroz pick look like genius!!!

I can get behind that for sure!!

if they win that bet, it will look like sage-level stuff... but mostly it will just ring the bell on their continuing slide into middling nothingness

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