GOOD SMYTH, BAD TAMBO, GREAT DRAFT PARTY

Wanye
June 05 2012 12:37PM

 

Last offseason Ryan Smyth made it known he wanted to be traded from the LA Kings to the team where it all began - our beloved Edmonton Oilers. Daryl "Kay-Z" Katz got personally involved to make his wish a reality, telling Smyth that if he came back to Edmonton he would remain an Oiler for the rest of his career.

One summer later the Kings are in the Cup Final, the Oilers are picking first overall for the third year in a row and the Smyth and Katz and Co are miles apart on a deal.

Poor ol' Smytty.

WHAT'S THE BUSINESS?

You gotta think that if the dashing young Devil with the jaunty moustache doesn't have the most productive summer of his career he may be on the outside looking in quicker than you can say "back-to-back-to-back-to-back first pick overall."

A hole ridden defensive corps, unaddressed team toughness and (insert commonly acknowledged problems 1-155 here) remain at the top of everyone's to do list outside of the impossibly quiet Oilers offices.

The good news in the contract negotiations is that both parties are in total agreement that the "Player" in the contract is "Ryan Smyth" and the "Team" is the "Edmonton Oilers." That just leaves the term of the contract, the amount of money to be paid and every other facet open to screaming negotiation.

We are sure that Hall, The Nuge and Eberle are watching how the Oil are treating the legend who has given everything to the team with close interest. On the eve of being asked to show loyalty to the club in their own contract negotiations they are getting a good preview of how their own battles with the current regime will proabably unfold.

Great.

DRAFT PARTY

What do you do when the 100 man GM committee of the team don't get their act together and you finish 2nd last and then win 1st pick overall in the draft lottery again? Well here at NationHQ you decide to have another Draft Party in a row at everyone's favourite bar The Pint Downtown.

And if you are having a 1st pick party for the the 3rd year in a row you are probably starting to get pretty good at it. This year we are pulling out all of the stops - a cup winning Oiler legend will be in the house, there are gonna be a boatload of sick auction prizes and oh yeah - 100 Nation Gear T-Shirts will be for sale on a one time only basis.

What are we doing with all the money raised? We are gonna shoot to gather together $2,500 to feed 10,000 children in Afrtica through Earth Group - an awesome local charity that deserves all of the support we can muster in the coming months.

We will tell you more exciting details in the weeks to come but mark it down on your calendar for the time being will ya?

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#2 justDOit
June 05 2012, 12:51PM
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I'm not sure about painting mgmt as the only culprits in this negotiation. What I see is an agent who is using a promise from an owner to try and get a deal that is above the market comparable.

Didn't Hejduk just sign an extension for about $2M per season?

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#3 Costanza
June 05 2012, 12:54PM
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Smyth may have been a good Oiler but he has had some bad moments....like this one. He has constantly been overvalued and my case in point is Thomas Holmstrom who did a comparable job was more disliked on the ice and judging by the two contract squabbles was a better "TEAM" guy.

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#4 LoDog
June 05 2012, 12:55PM
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Your love of Smyth is so cute.

He is Mr. Hardball in negotiations, always has been.

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#5 pomeranzjake
June 05 2012, 01:01PM
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Wanye, you cant be FIST to comment on your own post....leave some fun for us

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#6 Cru Jones
June 05 2012, 01:03PM
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Enough with playing the violin for Smyth. The guy was much loved in a past life, but it's becoming ever more apparent that he's not quite the team guy that he's been made out to be. He ties his former GM's hands by asking for a trade BACK to the team he couldn't come to terms with earlier in his career, and now he's complaining that they're not going to pay him enough? Remind me again where he's getting his bargaining power from?

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#7 freeze
June 05 2012, 01:07PM
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Doors open at 11AM. Wow, the Nation should be good and gooned by 5pm!

Anyone planning on the Centurion for the event? Wanye?

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#8 striker777
June 05 2012, 01:16PM
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Ryan has msde a lot of money abf if he doesnt get greedy, might actually stick around to see this team win. We'll need the cash to re-sign our 1-st rounders, Smitty.

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#9 Dodd
June 05 2012, 01:25PM
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What I DON'T buy here is that this situation is in any way educating the youngsters on their future with this organization.

What it likely tells them is that the Oilers organization pay scale is performance - based.

At this point, spending too much money on a player with clearly waning performance because of sentiment is the last thing we need. For the Smyth team to value him more than Hejduk or Bertuzzi in money and/or term is hard to swallow. The only team in the league who would pay more than value for Smyth is Edmonton.

I love Smytty. Love his heart. But if a 29th place team is ONCE AGAIN at an impass with a veteran's salary, I think the tie - breaker is the fact that Smyth is not a game changer anymore.

29th place. That should end the discussion.

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#10 MVParkerknox
June 05 2012, 01:38PM
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Ryan Smyrh MUST return. Get it done Tambo don't be a nerd

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#11 OILERSORDEATH
June 05 2012, 01:38PM
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@Dodd 100% completely agree!! very well said!

Of the subject is there any way Taylor Hall could become our version of a Dustin Brown? Jesus what a beast of a player.

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#14 baggedmilk
June 05 2012, 01:44PM
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Beer?! Draft party?! Wanye!? AHHHHH I'm so excited.

*smoke bomb*

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#15 Jeff
June 05 2012, 01:47PM
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Tambo just threw the kitchen sink at Hemsky...don't do the same for Smitty. I appreciate his dedication and the work he has put in for this franchise, but we have kids that could benefit from his minutes. Before you know it we will have Horcoff wanting to restructure his contract with a raise too!! LET HIM WALK!!

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#16 LoDog
June 05 2012, 01:59PM
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Can't see eye to eye with Wanye about Smyth but I sure can on going to the Pint for the draft. I will be there.

(with my let Smyth walk t-shirt on) ;)

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#17 Raider Jesse
June 05 2012, 01:59PM
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MR WANYE.... will there be drink specials?

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#18 The Oilers Shot Clock
June 05 2012, 02:07PM
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Im ok with Smyth as long as having him doesnt handcuff us for the next two years, and as long as he realizes what his new role needs to be going forward. He needs to be a top 9 forward not a top 6, and he needs to show enough versatility to be moved around in the lineup as the season wears on. I dont want him eating all the good minutes just because we love what he used to be. If he's willing to play less than 15 min a night,with second unit pp and zero PK time and do it for a salary thats under 2.5 and no longer than 2 years then bring it on. This could get really ugly.

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#19 TigerUnderGlass
June 05 2012, 02:11PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

@Dodd 100% completely agree!! very well said!

Of the subject is there any way Taylor Hall could become our version of a Dustin Brown? Jesus what a beast of a player.

It will be a disappointment if Taylor Hall is not significantly better than Dustin Brown.

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#20 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 05 2012, 02:23PM
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Two more yrs of Ryan Smyth means we could probably say bye bye to Magnus Paajarvi.

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#21 gcw_rocks
June 05 2012, 02:25PM
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I love how the blame automatically falls to the team here.

The Oilers can offer bonuses if Smyth signs a 1 year deal. But he wants more than 1 year. So they likely offer fare value (big Bert is a decent comparable, and Smyth is worth less than Selanne by a reasonable margin). So they offer a big Bert deal. What is wrong with that?

The only way the Oilers should up the dollars is to shorten the term and leverage the bonus system. The Smuth of the last 45 games would be an aweful anchor at more than 2M per season for 2 or more seasons.

If Smyth wants it all - term and dollars, then they should let him walk. But that is Smyth's choice and the Oilers should not be blamed for that.

1 year, $2M plus another $1M in bonuses Mr Smyth. Sign here please...

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#22 book¡e
June 05 2012, 02:41PM
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Wait, are we at "Ryan Smyth is a bum" yet or are we still in the transition? Can somebody let me know when we start booing him because I don't want to accidentally cheer him and look like an ass.

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#23 oilersinsider
June 05 2012, 02:53PM
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Looks like you're heavily outnumbered in the support for Smitty here Wanye.

I have to say, I'd agree with the sentiment that the Oilers need to very cautious about what they offer Smyth, but I'm torn because the Oilers need to make a playoff push. I think there chances are better to make the playoffs with Smyth than without him.

The problem is you site that Hall, Eberle and RNH are watching. Imagine the message it sends if we overpay Smyth. They'll all be ready to cash in huge! And the last thing we need is (especially if we take Yakupov) 4 forwards making $7 million plus a season.

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#24 vetinari
June 05 2012, 03:12PM
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Ahh, Smytty is a good Canadian boy and I wouldn't be mad if he's given a 1 or 2 year contract at $2.5M +/- because he'll be off the books by the time we negotiate RNH's and Yakupov's extensions. If Smytty wants a NTC clause, give it to him too, but at a corresponding reduction in his annual salary.

Also, the cap is expected to raise to about $70.3M for next year... more than enough to sign Smytty (and Hall, and Eberle)... and finally, Smytty's resigning will probably have him playing at a rate that's $3M or so less from his cap hit last year, so, there's Hall's raise covered right there.

We need some veterans to guide the youngsters on this team and Smytty is the one that I would want showing them the ropes.

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#25 DSF
June 05 2012, 03:14PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

It will be a disappointment if Taylor Hall is not significantly better than Dustin Brown.

Sure.

As soon as he learns how to be an elite defender, penalty killer, shot blocker, punishing hitter, pain in the ass and 30 goal scorer.

Don't think Hall will have much trouble with the 30 goals but I haven't see anything to suggest the other facets of Brown's game are something Hall will emulate.

Brown is one of the best players in the NHL.

It's not all about scoring.

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#26 DSF
June 05 2012, 03:15PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Two more yrs of Ryan Smyth means we could probably say bye bye to Magnus Paajarvi.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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#27 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 05 2012, 03:24PM
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@ DSF...... not that there's anything wrong with that.

On the same page. Move him now while he's still worth something. Odds were unlikely that all of these kids would turn into superstars.

What would it cost me to pluck Eric Gudbranson from your Panther grasp there DSF?

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#28 Lochenzo
June 05 2012, 03:47PM
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Yep, when the Kings made the Finals, my first thought was to Smytty. It's unfortunate a gamer like this will go through his career without a Cup.

As far as the draft goes, my understanding is that the Jackets are interested in a Dman, so maybe they're after Ryan Murray. So trading down to take Murray may not work. Then again, it could be a massive head fake by CBJ. If the Oilers take Murray, then the Jackets will get to reclaim the number one pick they lost in the lottery and draft the best player available, Yakupov. And if the Oilers don't, maybe they are happy to take Murray.

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#29 Smokey
June 05 2012, 04:50PM
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Wayne said:

The Nuge and Eberle are watching how the Oil are treating the legend who has given everything to the team with close interest.

I`d argue that a team like NY Rangers and Chicago BH can dump players in the minors and overseas, and players still sign there in droves. The argument for why they can get away with it, is those are great cities and player overlook the sins of the organization and the GM because of that. And if I was Eberle, or Hall, or Nuge, I would look at the Oilers organization and see that this is the team that has a tendency to pay to well.

I don`t worry about the time it takes to sign Smitty. We accepted him back like the second coming, and its going to be a slow process. Both sides know its going to get done, it boils down to who blinks first. Tambo basically had Ryan thrown on him, not thats a bad thing, but the Oil overpaid him last season, and they need only to pay market value now, 2.5/2 years max. If not then we say thanks, and wish our super hero the best.

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#30 Johnny Chugalug
June 05 2012, 05:37PM
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What do you mean I'm not a real person :'-(

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#31 Wanyes bastard child
June 05 2012, 05:38PM
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Well that didn't work as planned...

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#32 DSF
June 05 2012, 06:00PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

@ DSF...... not that there's anything wrong with that.

On the same page. Move him now while he's still worth something. Odds were unlikely that all of these kids would turn into superstars.

What would it cost me to pluck Eric Gudbranson from your Panther grasp there DSF?

Gudbranson is looking like he'll be a top pairing defenseman.

Given how few legit propsects there are in that category, I would think it would take one of the wunderkids to get him away from Tallon.

Don't think Tallon would be a big fan of Wellwood or Hemsky unless he was desperate to make the playoffs at the deadline.

I think you would be lucky to get a second round pick for Paajarvi at this point.

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#33 DSF
June 05 2012, 06:23PM
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Ryan Smyth had the second highest number of ES goals on the Oilers with 15.

Ales ($5M a year) Hemsky had 9.

That's right...9.

Smyth had 38 ES points.

Hemsky had all of 27.

Not re-signing Smyth while coughing up $5M a year for Hemsky would be monumentally stupid on the Oilers' part.

That's what will likely happen.

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#34 Dodd
June 05 2012, 06:28PM
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I'm not disagreeing with the dollar figures being thrown around.... $2Mill for 1 or 2 yrs.... maybe bonus, etc. BUT I've read in the MSM that Smyth was offered that already and has turned it down.

If Don Meehan is looking for $4Mill for 3 yrs. or something like that, he's taking advantage of our sentiment for Smyth AND our nightmares we still have over letting him walk last time.

I love Smyth's heart but I watched him lose as an Oiler a lot more than I ever watched him win as one. Anybody watching the last half of last season who thinks he's worth more than Bertuzzi must be married to him or working for him.

Oilers pay should be performance - based. We need to stop signing contracts based on potential, and base some of them on NOW.

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#35 Johe
June 05 2012, 06:31PM
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@DSF

Oh DSF. Constantly overvaluing the players on other teams while undervaluing those on the Oilers. Don't get me wrong, Dustin Brown is a very good player. Very good, but not one of the best players in the league. One fantastic playoffs does not qualify him for that. And he's not really a 30 goal scorer. Sure he did that once, but to label him a 30 goal scorer is a little much. That's like labelling Jonathan Cheechoo a 50 goal scorer. Okay... not quite, but you get my drift. And yes, I would love to have him on my team. I would take him over any of our players but the big three. That includes Hall. I bet 30 NHL gm's would agree with me.

As for Gudbranson, I never really understood how he went third overall. His highest point total in junior was 34, and his first year in the bigs he had 8 to go with a -19. On a playoff team. Not hating on the guy, but I'm just curious as to why he LOOKS like a top pairing d-man. Nothing about his play would suggest that's anywhere near a lock. Yes he's more of a defensive defenseman and he's got size and toughness, but is that enough? Not from where I sit. But I could be totally off-base. Anyways, I'm just really interested to see if someone can tell me why he went third overall and why you think he can live up to that.

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#36 mlcselli
June 05 2012, 06:33PM
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I like Smytty too, and was happy with his request to return home. Nobody ever expected him to get traded, and nobody ever expected him to come back. I think everyone was happy to see him return to the Oilers line up, and all of us had full expectations that he would retire here. That almighty dollar, being the root of all evil, may once again be the reason he leaves town. The differences this time, would be that now we half expect to see him walk, and we won't cry over it again. I bet he is kicking himself in the arse right now for asking the Kings to release him to us. My perception of him has changed since the regular season ended. I think his heart is in hockey,, but not necessarily the Oilers. This is one conclusion about Ryan Smyth I didn't think I'd have. I'm still holding out hope that he agrees to a contract with us. In the meantime life in Oilerland goes on, and we have great stars in the making.

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#37 Dodd
June 05 2012, 06:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Ryan Smyth had the second highest number of ES goals on the Oilers with 15.

Ales ($5M a year) Hemsky had 9.

That's right...9.

Smyth had 38 ES points.

Hemsky had all of 27.

Not re-signing Smyth while coughing up $5M a year for Hemsky would be monumentally stupid on the Oilers' part.

That's what will likely happen.

Hemsky: Age 28

Smyth: Age 37

This is the reason the Hemsky signing was not a big risk. Hemsky will still be a trade-able asset at 30. Smith at 39? Not so much.

You can point to any stats last year that you want - Smyth was not the only player on the team that stunk. But he was the oldest.

Deciding to keep Hemsky at 28 is as different from the Smyth situation as it gets.

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#38 DSF
June 05 2012, 06:37PM
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Dodd wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with the dollar figures being thrown around.... $2Mill for 1 or 2 yrs.... maybe bonus, etc. BUT I've read in the MSM that Smyth was offered that already and has turned it down.

If Don Meehan is looking for $4Mill for 3 yrs. or something like that, he's taking advantage of our sentiment for Smyth AND our nightmares we still have over letting him walk last time.

I love Smyth's heart but I watched him lose as an Oiler a lot more than I ever watched him win as one. Anybody watching the last half of last season who thinks he's worth more than Bertuzzi must be married to him or working for him.

Oilers pay should be performance - based. We need to stop signing contracts based on potential, and base some of them on NOW.

Everything you say about Smyth applies equally to Hemsky.

If Oilers pay is "performance based", Smyth outperformed Hemsky by a wide margin.

Why is one worth $5M and the other isn't?

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#39 DSF
June 05 2012, 06:58PM
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Johe wrote:

Oh DSF. Constantly overvaluing the players on other teams while undervaluing those on the Oilers. Don't get me wrong, Dustin Brown is a very good player. Very good, but not one of the best players in the league. One fantastic playoffs does not qualify him for that. And he's not really a 30 goal scorer. Sure he did that once, but to label him a 30 goal scorer is a little much. That's like labelling Jonathan Cheechoo a 50 goal scorer. Okay... not quite, but you get my drift. And yes, I would love to have him on my team. I would take him over any of our players but the big three. That includes Hall. I bet 30 NHL gm's would agree with me.

As for Gudbranson, I never really understood how he went third overall. His highest point total in junior was 34, and his first year in the bigs he had 8 to go with a -19. On a playoff team. Not hating on the guy, but I'm just curious as to why he LOOKS like a top pairing d-man. Nothing about his play would suggest that's anywhere near a lock. Yes he's more of a defensive defenseman and he's got size and toughness, but is that enough? Not from where I sit. But I could be totally off-base. Anyways, I'm just really interested to see if someone can tell me why he went third overall and why you think he can live up to that.

You need to pay a little closer attention to Brown.

He scored 33 goals in the season before Terry Murray took over the team and coached the team into an offensive stupor.

Since Murray was fired, he's back to his old self.

From Feb 25th to the end of the season, Brown scored 8 goals in 21 games. That pro-rates to a 32 goal season.

He scored 23 points in the same 21 games which pro-rates to a 90 point season.

In 17 playoff games, he has scored 17 points and is +18 against the toughest teams in the world.

He leads the playoffs with 82 hits and has even managed a 44.4 percent on the dot despite not being a centre.

Gudbranson just turned 20 in January, had 34 points in 44 games in his last junior season and managed 5 points in 7 games at the WJC.

That he is also 6'5" and 220 and has great wheels is pretty much everything you would look for in a first round pick.

With Campbell and Jovo to mentor him, I think he'll be a stud for many years to come.

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#40 Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012, 07:11PM
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@DSF

Are we back to pro-rating again, DSF? Remember when you were pro-rating Seguin's three points against Hall's one over 82 games (seven games into 2010-11)? Those were good times.

It's great to say "Brown's back to his old self!" but to label him a sure-thing 30 goal man at this juncture is decidedly premature.

Also, given that Murray was fired in December, why are you only pro-rating from February?

Edit to add: Oh, I see why. Because Brown scored a hat-trick on Februyary 25. If you pro-rate from February 26, he's a 5-goal man over the season's last 20 games, which projects to a 20-goal pace.

Additionally, even if we assume that you picked the one magic date that accurately conveys Brown's scoring ability, those eight goals came on 48 shots - that's a 16.7 shooting percentage. Brown, on his career, is a 10.2% shooter. In his *best* NHL season, he was a 15.1% shooter. I don't need to tell you the odds of him firing 16.7% next year; suffice to say it's unlikely.

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#41 DSF
June 05 2012, 07:25PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Are we back to pro-rating again, DSF? Remember when you were pro-rating Seguin's three points against Hall's one over 82 games (seven games into 2010-11)? Those were good times.

It's great to say "Brown's back to his old self!" but to label him a sure-thing 30 goal man at this juncture is decidedly premature.

Also, given that Murray was fired in December, why are you only pro-rating from February?

Edit to add: Oh, I see why. Because Brown scored a hat-trick on Februyary 25. If you pro-rate from February 26, he's a 5-goal man over the season's last 20 games, which projects to a 20-goal pace.

Additionally, even if we assume that you picked the one magic date that accurately conveys Brown's scoring ability, those eight goals came on 48 shots - that's a 16.7 shooting percentage. Brown, on his career, is a 10.2% shooter. In his *best* NHL season, he was a 15.1% shooter. I don't need to tell you the odds of him firing 16.7% next year; suffice to say it's unlikely.

Don't you think it takes a new coach, more than a couple of days to implement a new system and for his players to adapt to it?

That date was also when the Kings acquired Carter giving the opposition fits in trying to defend the Kings' first or second lines.

I think someone as smart as you can figure out the Kings started to score considerably more when Sutter replaced Murray.

And, while Brown may not shoot at a 16.7 percent rate next season, a more offensive minded coach will likely mean he takes more shots.

He's a 25-30 goals scorer easy and, at 27 is just entering his prime.

Watch.

EDIT TO ADD:

Brown has 40 points in his last 39 games.

Is that sample size larger than the 20 games you cherry picked?

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#42 Gret99zky
June 05 2012, 07:32PM
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Smyth will screw it all up and then expect us all to feel sorry for screwing it up. Boo-hoo.

The Oilers' future is more important than a former player in the twilight of his career.

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#43 bdiddy18
June 05 2012, 07:38PM
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If Temmu Selanne can wait to be last in signing with Anaheim and accept one year deals - then still provide tremendous offence at his age - then so should Smyth.

No favours - in fact don't see how he even fits on the 4th line.

when he asks for 3 M then save yourself 2.9 M and just hold him a very nice ceremonial kiss off.

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#44 Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012, 08:19PM
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@DSF

Actually, you cherry-picked the dates. I only worked with what I was given.

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#45 Oiler AL
June 05 2012, 08:29PM
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See what happens when an owner sticks his nose into "hockey operations". Katz offered that Smyth would be a OIler for the rest of his career. I guess he forgot to tell him that his career is over this year.Seriously, his worth is $2.5 mil one year plus $1.mil in bonuses. 2nd. year team option.Your spending $11 mil a season on Hemsky and Horcoff, not to mention Habbys #3.5 I can see Meehans point. Problem as usual is OIlers are consistant with what they do.

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#46 DSF
June 05 2012, 08:51PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Actually, you cherry-picked the dates. I only worked with what I was given.

Actually, no.

You chose to throw out the one three goal, four point game he had to make your point.

Bottom line is, he's been a PPG player over his last 39 games.

All while also being a defensive, shot blocking, PKing, annoying demon.

I'd take that over 40 goals any day.

In the playoffs:

GFON/60 - 3.65 GAON/60 - 1.00

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#47 Dodd
June 05 2012, 09:11PM
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DSF wrote:

Everything you say about Smyth applies equally to Hemsky.

If Oilers pay is "performance based", Smyth outperformed Hemsky by a wide margin.

Why is one worth $5M and the other isn't?

So I guess they're the same age and at the place in their careers? They're both retired in 2 years?

Same hands and future potential?

IMHO we can replace Smyth for $2 Mill. We can replace Hemsky for $3.5. Yes we overpaid for him, but to say they're the same is a bit silly. Who has the potential to still be on the team and instrumental in a cup run? Hemsky is young enough to bounce back. Smyth is not. THATs the difference.

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#48 Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012, 09:36PM
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@DSF

Except that I wasn't trying to make a point about Brown being a 20-goal man. I was just noting how funny it was that the first day in your chosen sample just happened to be the same day he managed a hat-trick.

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#49 Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012, 09:45PM
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@ DSF:

If I were actually trying to predict what Brown would do in the regular season next year, I'd look at what he did after Sutter's hiring this year. In 48 regular season games, he scored 15 times and added 21 assists; over a full season that projects to 26 goals, 36 assists and 62 points. The goal totals are a little high because his shooting percentage has been a little better than career average; adjust it back to career levels with the same shot totals and we end up with a 21-goal, 36-assist season. My expectation is that he finishes more or less in the same ballpark next season as he did this season.

Naturally, you'd prefer to start counting at the hat-trick and toss in the playoff results (where he's been very good) for good measure. I think that's cherry-picking to prove a point, which in my experience is your preferred way to argue.

But that's okay. Ultimately, only time will tell. A year from now, if Brown scores 30 goals and the Panthers win their division, you can remind us all how brilliant you were. If neither of those things happen, be sure to remind us of that too.

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#50 Johe
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DSF wrote:

Actually, no.

You chose to throw out the one three goal, four point game he had to make your point.

Bottom line is, he's been a PPG player over his last 39 games.

All while also being a defensive, shot blocking, PKing, annoying demon.

I'd take that over 40 goals any day.

In the playoffs:

GFON/60 - 3.65 GAON/60 - 1.00

I'd like to single out the part where you criticize Willis for throwing out the three goal four point game. I couldn't help but think of Gagner's four goal eight point game and how you would be all too happy to throw that out of the equation to make your point that Kyle Wellwood is a superior player. Just a thought.

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