IS A TRADING FOR A TOP-FOUR D-MAN REALISTIC

Jason Gregor
July 10 2012 10:38AM

The term "Top-Four" varies from person to person. Whether we are evaluating who is a top-four D-man, or whether Shailene Woodley, Emma Watson, Charlize Theron or Emma Stone looked the best at the MTV movie awards; we usually will have differing opinions.

Charlize and Miss Stone get my vote, but there is no wrong answer, just like there isn't one when we debate which top-four defender is best suited to help the Oilers. We all agree the Oilers could use another veteran top-four defender, but do the Oilers have the proper pieces necessary to obtain one?

It is easy to say the Oilers need another top-four defender, but it will be much harder negotiating a trade to acquire one.

It is unlikely the Oilers will deal one of Hall, RNH, Eberle or Yakupov so I won't use them as a comparable to any of the following deals.

Here are a few recent trades involving defenders and what it took to acquire them.

METHOT FOR FOLIGNO

Ottawa acquired Marc Methot from Columbus for Nick Foligno.

Methot has played top-four minutes in Columbus for the past three seasons. Up until last year he played EV and PK, but this past year he averaged over 2 minutes on the PP as well. Some would argue that he's only a #5 defender, but to get him the Sens had to part with a three-time 15-goal scorer coming off a career year of 47 points. Foligno added some grit to his game this year totalling 124 PIMs along with his 47 points.

The Oilers have no forward similar to Foligno.

SCHENN FOR VAN RIEMSDYK

Philly acquired Luke Schenn from the Leafs for James Van Riemsdyk.

Contracts were a likely a bit of a factor in this deal, with JVR a $4.25 million cap hit and Schenn sitting at $3.6 million.

Schenn is unique. He played 21 minutes/game as a rookie, then 17 his 2nd season, he jumped up to 22 in his third year and last season he only played 16 min a night. He doesn't play on the PP. He's only 22 and he's already played 310 games. Some would argue he's been as high as #3 some years and as low as #6.

Van Riemsdyk has played three years and has seen his icetime increase by one minute every year, starting at 13 and playing 15 last year. He was injured for half of last season, but he still managed 11 goals and 24 points in 43 games. He scored 21 goals in 2011 after potting 15 as a rookie. He's 6'3" and 200 pounds, and while he isn't physical he has some size.

He has 99 points over 2 1/2 seasons, but 83 of them have come at EV. He didn't get much PP time in Philly because they had lots of depth, but he'll get PP time in Toronto.

Magnus Paajarvi would need to score 21 and 11 goals his next two seasons to equal Van Riemsdyk. Again, the Oilers didn't have a forward similar to JVR.

MICHALEK FOR PROSPECTS

Phoenix acquired Zybnek Michalek from Pittsburgh for Mark Cheverie (ECHLer), Harrison Ruopp (2011,3rd rounder...physical, stay-at-home defender for Prince Albert Raiders) and the 81st pick in the 2012 draft (Oskar Sundqvist).

Michalek has played top-four minutes in Pittsburgh the past two seasons. He plays EV and PK. He was a salary dump for the Penguins. He has three years left with a cap hit of $4 million.

Michalek shoots right and has played 550 NHL games, and for the past few years he has consistently faced the other team's top lines. Last year in Pittsburgh he and Brooks Orpik played the hardest minutes.

The Oilers could have easily been involved in this deal. They have loads of prospects and giving up two 3rd rounds and an ECHL player would have been easy to absorb. They completely missed the boat on not being involved in Michalek. The only explanation is that they felt acquiring him would lessen their chances of getting Justin Schultz, but I don't buy that either considering Michalek doesn't play the PP.

The Oilers could have acquired Michalek, giving up nothing significant, and went then paired Michalek with Ladislav Smid or Ryan Whitney. They could have elected to put Smid with Michalek and have them face the top lines all season, and then have Whitney with Jeff Petry and have Nick Schultz mentor the younger Schultz.

These are the types of deals that the Oilers need to be involved in.

OTHER OPTIONS

If the Oilers are going to acquire a top-four D-man now, they will likely have to pay way more than the Coyotes did for Michalek.

The list of top-four defenders that teams would be willing to part with isn't that long. Names like Jay Bouwmeester, Paul Martin and Keith Yandle have been floating around, but what would the Flames, Pens and Coyotes want in return.

Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner and Magnus Paajarvi would have the most value of the Oiler forwards (keep in mind I'm not including the four kids), but Paajarvi's value isn't as high around the league as it seems to be in Edmonton.

YANDLE

Yandle is an intriguing player. The Coyotes weren't happy how Dustin Brown ran his show in the 3rd round, and they feel Ekman-Larsson has more upside.

The Coyotes need forwards. Would Gagner and Paajarvi for Yandle make sense for both sides?

If the Oilers deal Gagner then Horcoff is their #2 centre. That isn't the best scenario, especially because the Oilers don't have any young offensive centres that look ready to play. Anton Lander is not ready to be a #2 centre, he might be in a few years, but if they dealt Gagner they might have to play Lander in OKC for 40 games as a 1st line centre to see if he has enough offence to be a good #2.

Yandle is a $5.25 million cap hit for the next four years, which makes him even more attractive because you know you'll have him for at least four years. He's only 25 years old, and if he is actually available then Steve Tambellini should be talking to Don Maloney daily.

The Oilers would likely have to add another pick or prospect to the package, but I'd make that deal if it was on the table.

BOUWMEESTER

I know many are leery of Bouwmeester's $6.68 million cap hit, but Bouwmeester and his Flames teammate Chris Butler faced tougher competition than every D-man in the league except Ryan McDonagh.

Bouwmeester has played 82 games in 8 of his 9 NHL seasons so at least you know he'll be on the ice and not on the trainer's table.

I don't see the Flames and Oilers pulling a deal, but if he was on the table I'd look at what it would cost.

MARTIN

I'd shy away from Martin. He's 31, doesn't bring much offence and isn't physical. He's a $5 million cap hit for three more years, and he don't see him as an upgrade of Nick Schultz.

WRAP UP

I don't expect the Oilers to be in on every available player, but when a player like Michalek is available for nothing, I wonder why Tambellini wasn't talking to Ray Shero.

Convincing J. Schultz to sign here was a great move by the organization, but he isn't a veteran defender. They've needed and wanted one for awhile, and if they are going to acquire one via the trade route they have to be aggressive.

They don't need to rush into any deal, but they need to be prepared to make a move when a player becomes available. Unless it is a salary dump like Michalek, the Oilers will need to be prepared to part with one or both of Gagner, Paajarvi and possibly another young forward prospect.

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#1 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 10:46AM
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Keep Gagner out of trade talk unless it brings back another 2nd line C. No way Horc is on the fist or second line

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#2 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 10:51AM
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I would be offering Hemsky, Omark, and one of our lower prospects or a 2nd or lower draft pick. If this doesn't get it done I say it is too expensive and run with what we got on D or pick up a UFA if you think they are an upgrade. Really we have one playing opening and Sutton is not bad there though I would be much more comfortable having him as the 7th. That means the main purpose for a trade for another Dman is as injury insurance which I am not opposed to. Giving up one of our better forward prospects and a legit 2nd lince centre for A Dman is rich unless you are getting a true #1

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#3 vetinari
July 10 2012, 10:55AM
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Yandle would be my first priority too... I think that the team would be better off pushing Phoenix to take a winger (like Paajarvi) off their hands, a defenceman (like Peckham or Potter) and a future 2nd/3rd round pick or a recent prospect from the 2011 or 2012 drafts.

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#5 oilersinsider
July 10 2012, 10:56AM
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We're assuming here that the Oilers were aware that Michalek was available. There is a chance they didn't call, but there is also a chance that they did.

We've seen in the past before how a player is told to one team "no", but then moved to another. Perhaps the history between Phoenix and this player is relevant.

I would expect that if Pittsburgh wanted the best return for Michalek that they would have some responsibility to be proactive and call the teams that obviously need defense to shop the player and give said team a chance to put a package together better than what Phoenix did.

That would only make sense to me.

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#6 T__Bone88
July 10 2012, 10:57AM
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What about Enstrom or Green? I don't think you would have to give up a lot to acquire one of them like you would with Yandle. Maybe the Oilers were in on Michalek but he would only waive his no-trade to Phoenix. Same could be said with Vishnovsky, people said the Oilers should of done that deal but he was traded from the oilers for a personal reason (family). It seems like once a player's name is mentioned in MSM for rumors his value goes up, as opposed to the deals that no one expected where the value seemed less for the player involved.

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#7 thetikk
July 10 2012, 10:57AM
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Didn't MIchalek have a NTC?

You can't buy from someone who's not selling.

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#8 Jason
July 10 2012, 10:58AM
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Jason - have you heard anything about Andrej Sekera being available out of Buffalo? To me, that would be my number one choice... a steady, solid, stay-at-home guy who probably wouldn't cost a king's ransom.

Another guy I'd call about is Fedor Tyutin. Depending on what the plan is in Columbus (or if they have a plan even), perhaps they are willing to part with a high-ticket defenseman for some prospects and picks (if they are in a rebuild). Tyutin has a 4.5 cap hit for four more years, but he has the ability to play hard minutes and put up some points. Would Sam Gagner, the 2013 1st Round pick, Tyler Pitlick, and David Musil for Nick Foligno and Fedor Tyutin get Columbus listening?

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#9 Tomsster
July 10 2012, 10:59AM
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I can't believe a 47 (career) goal scorer (JVR) is a 4.25 Mil. cap hit.

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#10 Shredder
July 10 2012, 11:00AM
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Oh man, I had an opportunity to FIST and I didn't take because the phone rang...am I the only one working in an office today? Sure seems like it.

I suggest the Oilers target, and in this order: Charlize Theron Emma Stone Paris Hilton (because you know she'll put out) Ashley Tisdale (same reason as Paris) Amanda Bynes

The rest would only make the team worse.

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#12 Action Jackson
July 10 2012, 11:05AM
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May sound silly, but what about Tom Gilbert? Suter and Parise push the Wild to the cap and maybe something shakes loose.

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#13 Matt Henderson
July 10 2012, 11:05AM
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Howson gets made fun of a lot, but getting Foligno for Methot was good for Columbus I think.

I just dont see any reason at all to trade Gagner. The organization has nobody competent enough in the attacking side of the rink to take his spot. So moving Gagner without first finding a replacement is as ridiculous as trading Ricky Ray for Steven Jyles "Because you just cant win with Ray."

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#17 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 11:15AM
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-Whitney top 2 if healthy (Says he is back to regular summer training...so cross your fingers) -Smid top 4 with potential to be top 2 -Petry top 4 with potential to be top 2 -N Shultz top 4 -J Schultz NHL ready defender with top 2 potential -Klefbom close to NHL ready with top 2 potential -Sutton bottom pairing defender -Potter bottom pairing defender -Peckam bottom pairing defender

Plus a number of solid D prospects that are a couple of years away. Obviously it would be great to have one more top 4 Dman to get us through this year and maybe next, but how much of your forward future do you give away in order to get it?

The team is currently lacking a Weber/Pronger/Lidstrom/Doughty type Dman but we have a lot of top4 Dman that as a committee has reasonable strength this year and better next year. the main question mark is Whitney. is he 100%?

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#18 Evilas
July 10 2012, 11:17AM
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I keep reading that the speculation is the Oilers are waiting for player X or team X to do something. In my experience that isn't how winners operate. Winners operate by making things happen. The only FA's they have signed were their own, on a positive note this is a good sign that these players wanted to come back to the team, so I like that.

The sense I am getting is the Oilers are going to take a long and hard look at Klefbom starting in the NHL, we will know if he comes to main camp if this is indeed their plan.

I know it would be better for all in the long run if he came on board next year, but given his potential and the recent success of several young Swedish dmen who don't have his pedigree, I think it might be a worthwhile endeavour.

And if it is a failure, the addition of MacKinnon or Seth Jones might help out big time in 2013-14.....

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#19 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 11:19AM
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@ Jason Greger

Do you actually think our team looks better with Nuge, Horcoff, Belanger and lander at centre and adding Yandle to our D?

You better have a backup plan at centre or this sets us back a couple of years in the rebuild.

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#20 Darcy
July 10 2012, 11:21AM
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Sign Rozsival for 2 years and then dump excess contracts for draft picks. There might be a better free agent available in the future for the Oilers to sign. Anything other than a trade like the one for Michalek does nothing to add to the rebuild. It is only a step sideways rather than forward.

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#21 book¡e
July 10 2012, 11:23AM
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One of the 'real world' elements that often gets overlooked in the what if trade game is timing and strategy.

Anytime someone suggests a trade, they should consider what the impact of that trade over the next 4-5 years is. This team is not winning the cup this year, so you don't want to sacrifice something from 1 or 2 years from now (a developing player for example) for someone who is a UFA in 2 years.

Its not just about cap hit and impact, its also about impact and asset value over time.

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#22 Evilas
July 10 2012, 11:26AM
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I have been on the "Trade Gagner" bandwagon for over a year, but the more I have read, the more I think he is too young to give up on. His personality is a great fit and has a very good relationship with the other young players and he should now be starting to blossom. He passes well and it will be very interesting to see if he clicks with Yakupov.

Unless Doan signs with the Oilers for some reason, I would be willing to hang on to Gagner for another year. I like the way the lines are shaping up, and I think Horcoff and Smyth and possibly Hemsky (or PRV) would make an excellent 3rd line.

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#23 Will
July 10 2012, 11:26AM
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Plugging one hole and creating another is never a good trade idea unless you have something to fill it. We traded Gilbert to plug a need for a steady stay at home, but we had Petry to replace Gilbert. If we get ride of Gagner to shore up the D, it leaves us really shallow at center. Now it might not matter who plays in between Hall and Yak as those two alone make our second line a legitimate scoring threat. But if Horcoff goes down, or Hall gets injured again, then we have no center, and no left wing to replace those guys. And we once again are icing a crap team. I know you can't get talent for spare parts, but maybe Doan leaves and future prospects begin to look more enticing than current players. Could say only Paajarvi and the second round pick we got from Anaheim get this deal done?

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#24 Evilas
July 10 2012, 11:30AM
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Playing off of book;e, I am not a fan of sacrificing the future for the present. The Oil are not cup contenders this year or the following. Teams with depth win Stanley, our prospects are bursting with potential. I would not be prepared to sacrifice very many for short-term goals.

I have the sense this is how the Oiler brass are leaning as well.

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#25 RJ
July 10 2012, 11:33AM
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Bruins, Wild, Canucks, Flames, Sharks and Canadiens are the top six teams in terms of proximity to cap limit, while the Oilers have over $14 million in cap space. In other sports with a cap, trades are often made with a specific goal of freeing up cap space. As such, teams seeking cap space are often willing to take a lower return than a conventional trade, since they are also getting cap space as part of the trade.

Looking at capgeek, we can see that the Canadiens are getting close to the cap and they have not yet signed a number of their RFAs, including P.K. Subban. We can also see that the Bruins are less than a quarter million from the cap. Is there a Bruin or Canadien d-man that makes sense on the Oilers, and might cost less because they'd be getting back cap space?

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I have a good feeling Michalek was the same situation as Corvo last year. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we need d, I have to think teams that are looking to move d are calling us.

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#27 Copperblueandwhite
July 10 2012, 11:36AM
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Rozival works for me but JBo would be the preferred...as you said Jason, plays the toughs 5v5 at 26TOI...he'd work great here...still need a 2C that wins faceoff and drives possession...as it stands, with Yak and Schultz the Younger, we have more potential but the team is still 25th-30th overall....I don't get the warm fuzzy that Whitney has done anything to improve his mobility...Potter and Peckham aren't NHL quality so things aren't really much better than last year!

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#28 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 11:37AM
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The only place we have excess strength at this time is top 6 RW, D prosepcts, and Draft picks.

If I am trading a good roster player the person I look at first is Hemsky. Unless he shifts to the left side he is a 3rd line RW on this team and would be top 6 on most. If we have to trade it is better to trade from a position of strength.

If we packaged him with one or more of Eager, Peckam, Sutton, Potter, Omark, Pitlick, Plante, 2nd or lower draft pick we should be able to get something done without causing a major hole on this team.

Hemsky is good in the right role, but he is an expensive, small option on a checking line that could use size and grit.

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#29 dessert1111
July 10 2012, 11:42AM
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@Shredder

I'd put Stone as my #1. We need someone who can grow with the kids, not another under-achieving veteran.

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#30 freeze
July 10 2012, 11:44AM
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It is so frustrating to watch teams like PHI, LAK, PHX, PIT, FLA, NYR, NYI make deals to upgrade or change their D corps, yet Tambo sits on his hands, assessing and dithering.

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#31 Metal&Oil
July 10 2012, 11:45AM
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If Gags has to be traded in a deal to land a top tier Dman then it does not necessarily mean that Horcoff has to be our 2nd line center. I believe that Ralph Krueger brought up the possibility of Hall being moved back to his natural center position right after his hire.

Wouldn't that be the best option. It would also help clear up the log jam on wings too!!

Hartikainen-Nuge-Ebs / Yak-Hall-Hemskey

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#32 michael
July 10 2012, 11:45AM
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Wait to see what shakes out of the trade for Nash and then target Murray as a trade. I would rather give up HEMSKY and MP and whatever for Murray than give up Gagne for Yandle. The long term risk/reward is greater with Murray. Who here thinks Scott Howson is going into this season with a pop gun offence? Even if he manages to get Kreider,Stepan and prospects he is still going to need a top 6 forward who can put up some points. Hemsky fits the bill. The Oilers need dmen. And Murray would suit me nicely as a 5-6 guy for a couple of years while he learns the NHL game. Yandle etal will be just a stop gap solution for a team that needs dmen that can play top 4 minutes longterm. Not just for this season.

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#33 yegCopywriter
July 10 2012, 11:46AM
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I'd be a lot more comfortable with Hemsky and Paajarvi for Yandle than Gagner and Paajarvi. Our lineup stays more balanced with Eberle/Yakupov playing top six RW than RNH/Horcoff playing top six C.

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#34 junior mint77
July 10 2012, 11:53AM
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@dessert1111,so your saying charlize is a underacheiving,aging bust lol wow i'll take that any day off the week!

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#35 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 12:02PM
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I havent read the article yet but since it's up there: Either of the Emmas get my vote for sure.

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#36 Ryan2
July 10 2012, 12:04PM
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@ Jason Gregor - A counterpoint to this post: Why trade away two young assets (Gagner and MPS) for a top 4 d-man right now when the Oilers are still more than just that one piece away from being a playoff team, let alone a contender? Do you honestly think that even adding someone like Weber would not put this team over the top next year or two seasons out?

I would argue that right now the best thing for the team is to be patient for another year, continue to develop the young players, and give guys like MPS and Hartikainen (and Pitlick?) some time in the NHL to better assess whether they will be contributors for the team moving forward or not. Besides, wouldn't you want to see what happens with MPS next year under a different coach (who he seemed to respond to during his last call up) and system?

If MPS develops into a solid to very good 2nd line LW I would argue that he would be more valuable than a #3 or #4 d-man since you need scoring depth to win in the playoffs. Look at teams like Vancouver or Nashville that have stronger defence but only one scoring line (if that in Nashville's case). While a good blue line is needed, as the Kings showed again this year, you need at least 3 solid lines to win.

Besides, #3 or #4 d-men are easy to acquire later on via trades and/or as UFAs. Spending young assets that could be packaged for a true top pairing d-man on a #3 or #4 is a misuse of them IMHO. When the team is ready, trade a couple of draft picks if needed to address holes.

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#37 knobby
July 10 2012, 12:08PM
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The whole discussion is moot. Tambellini has consistently shown an inability to act to improve the Oil via trade or signing. When the best he can do is sign Khabbi and fighting with Souray to the detriment of the team you surely don't expect him to do anything.

For a man whose future with the Oil is on the line he is not showing any indicatios of having the where-with-all to do what is needed.

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#38 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 12:12PM
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Hall at center might happen at some point. You have to remember if we are going to try that this is probably the worst year we could do it.

He will be recovering from surgery meaining he will have much less off season training then normal. his strength may not be 100% even if he is ready to go at the start of the year.

I am not a huge fan of moving Hall to centre, but I see the comparisons to Messier and could see it working. We need for him to be successful. If they are going to try him at centre I would tell him now that the plan is to try him out there at the start of next year.

That gives him a year and a half to practice his faceoffs, gives him time to heal so he is at 100% and lets him regain form and confidence before he changes roles.

Have you looked at our LW depth?

Hall, Smyth, Jones, Eager, Paajarvi, and Hartikainan.

Smyth is a short term fill and not part of the future. Eager is a depth player on a good team or a sink hole on a team lacking depth. Paajarvi and Hartikainan spent a lot of the year in the AHL.

If we move Hall to centre and inlude Paajarvi in a trade to acquire a Dmen we are left with Smyth as LW1 Hartikainan LW2 Jones LW3 and Eager as LW4 with absolutely no depth on the farm team in case of injuries.

We seen how Smyth responded last year to the overuse and now he is a year older and we would be moving him up the depth chart.

I would rather we held tight then did these 2 moves unless we are signing some UFAs I am unaware of.

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#39 Digger
July 10 2012, 12:22PM
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Fellas,fellas . . . Why so anxious to deal Gags et al for D man, when we are building a nice group ourselves? Ladi S. Whitney and N. Schulz provide solid D. Now a PP quarterback? Lets see what J.Schultz brings to the table, and how Mr.Petry does as well.Maybe Oscar K. will draw in too. If we are going to do this . . . lets go all in and get Shea Weber - a mentor and leader. Then we are really off to the races. Just don't give up the farm to do so!!

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#40 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 12:22PM
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You know I will say this about Tambellini, I havent been a big fan of his. I still am not. However, he is in a position to change my mind. I'm willing to believe there is a forest through the trees. If he pulls off a trade to bring in Yandle (or similar) without sacrificing the future or the 2C position (if Gagner goes out, someone comes in) then I will get off his back for a while.

I just believe it is time to start winning games (it doesnt have to be the playoffs this year just has to be an honest effort to get there). Sitting with this lineup does not feel like a legit effort to improve. Yak is great, gtting Schultz was awesome but two rookies cant be expected to have a huge impact.

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#41 justDOit
July 10 2012, 12:22PM
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I think the probability of the Oilers trading for a top-4 dman is only slightly higher than me trading the Misses for any of the top four at the beginning of this article. Heck, or any of the bottom four pictured later on...

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#42 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 12:23PM
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@Digger

If both J Schultz and Klefbom are in the starting lineup this year I'll puke. I like both players but two rookie defensemen is just silly.

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#43 TigerUnderGlass
July 10 2012, 12:26PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

@ Jason Gregor - A counterpoint to this post: Why trade away two young assets (Gagner and MPS) for a top 4 d-man right now when the Oilers are still more than just that one piece away from being a playoff team, let alone a contender? Do you honestly think that even adding someone like Weber would not put this team over the top next year or two seasons out?

I would argue that right now the best thing for the team is to be patient for another year, continue to develop the young players, and give guys like MPS and Hartikainen (and Pitlick?) some time in the NHL to better assess whether they will be contributors for the team moving forward or not. Besides, wouldn't you want to see what happens with MPS next year under a different coach (who he seemed to respond to during his last call up) and system?

If MPS develops into a solid to very good 2nd line LW I would argue that he would be more valuable than a #3 or #4 d-man since you need scoring depth to win in the playoffs. Look at teams like Vancouver or Nashville that have stronger defence but only one scoring line (if that in Nashville's case). While a good blue line is needed, as the Kings showed again this year, you need at least 3 solid lines to win.

Besides, #3 or #4 d-men are easy to acquire later on via trades and/or as UFAs. Spending young assets that could be packaged for a true top pairing d-man on a #3 or #4 is a misuse of them IMHO. When the team is ready, trade a couple of draft picks if needed to address holes.

Ah, the ol' "this team isn't ready for good players yet" argument.

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#44 Ethan
July 10 2012, 12:26PM
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Call me crazy but I din't think we need to acquire a top 4 dmen now. I think wr just need a capable NHL dmen for one or two years.

Here is why: I'm pretty bullish on Petry, Shultz and Klefbom. I think in a couple years they will all be top 4 NHL dmens.

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#45 Dman09
July 10 2012, 12:30PM
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Copperblueandwhite wrote:

Rozival works for me but JBo would be the preferred...as you said Jason, plays the toughs 5v5 at 26TOI...he'd work great here...still need a 2C that wins faceoff and drives possession...as it stands, with Yak and Schultz the Younger, we have more potential but the team is still 25th-30th overall....I don't get the warm fuzzy that Whitney has done anything to improve his mobility...Potter and Peckham aren't NHL quality so things aren't really much better than last year!

If you look back at J-Bo when he was getting more PP time and averaging 200 shots(same as Yandle) he was putting up better numbers similar to what Yandle does. The bonus is that he wont get pushed around as much as Yandle and is better defensively. Not to mention he would cost less to acquire. Tambo needs to get on that.

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#46 Danny Donkey
July 10 2012, 12:32PM
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@Cody anderson

I do not know how much he would cost but if you had to trade gagner, paajarvi and something else for keith yandle i would seriously look at signing peter mueller. 6"3 210 lbs...don't think he's phsyical and i dont know his faceoff numbers but he certainly has offensive potential as long as he's healthy.

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#47 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2012, 12:33PM
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I'm sure the player being traded would rather take one bullet to the head, rather than 5 to the chest and bleed out. Things get messy quick when players are knowingly available to be moved. I'd have to think this is why alot of deals are done on a moments notice rather than be shopped league wide.

Why settle on a top 4 d'man when there's perhaps a top 2 willing to come here soon in Weber. Have to believe Edmonton is a viable option to players who are hoping to earn a roster spot on a winning hockey club.

Option A) Aim for the homerun and take a shot at Shea Weber. I'm sure Edmonton is already on his radar as he thinks of his options in the near future. Everything else is clearly plan B.

Option B) Howson or Tallon in regards to Ryan Murray or Erik Gudbranson and hopefully develope one of these two into a top 2 blueliner.

Option C) Fast track Oscar Klefbom rather than bringing in softies like Yandle or Bouwmeester. Jay may be a minute muncher but he's always been one of the easiest defensemen to play against in this league. Yandle....blah.

Go big or go home.

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#48 sizzle
July 10 2012, 12:41PM
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Coyotes have 1 too many Dman. Yandle Michalek Morris Klesla Larson Stone Schlemko

And then Rundblad and Gromley

There will be some one available on Waivers at the start of the yr.

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#49 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 01:11PM
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@ The Beaker

I don't get the 2 rookie defencemen argument the same as I don't get the argument that you can't have 2 small centreman. If they are not on the ice together they really don't effect one another.

The only way it makes sense is if you are trying to line match them against soft competition.

On forward I don't want a full line of small players, but one on each of the scoring lines really doesn't matter to me.

If Klefbom is NHL ready then match each of them with a reliable shutdown guy.

Petry-Whitney

N Schultz - J Shultz

Smid - Klefbom

Sutton as a 7th.

this looks like a pretty strong D corps. If the rookies show themselves to be reliable then feel free to move lines around to find the best chemistry.

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#50 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 01:13PM
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If klefbom is not ready the waivers idea is good as well. Especially if it nets you a prospect that the other team decides needs a little more seasoning or a vet with 1 to 2 years left on his contract.

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