IS A TRADING FOR A TOP-FOUR D-MAN REALISTIC

Jason Gregor
July 10 2012 10:38AM

The term "Top-Four" varies from person to person. Whether we are evaluating who is a top-four D-man, or whether Shailene Woodley, Emma Watson, Charlize Theron or Emma Stone looked the best at the MTV movie awards; we usually will have differing opinions.

Charlize and Miss Stone get my vote, but there is no wrong answer, just like there isn't one when we debate which top-four defender is best suited to help the Oilers. We all agree the Oilers could use another veteran top-four defender, but do the Oilers have the proper pieces necessary to obtain one?

It is easy to say the Oilers need another top-four defender, but it will be much harder negotiating a trade to acquire one.

It is unlikely the Oilers will deal one of Hall, RNH, Eberle or Yakupov so I won't use them as a comparable to any of the following deals.

Here are a few recent trades involving defenders and what it took to acquire them.

METHOT FOR FOLIGNO

Ottawa acquired Marc Methot from Columbus for Nick Foligno.

Methot has played top-four minutes in Columbus for the past three seasons. Up until last year he played EV and PK, but this past year he averaged over 2 minutes on the PP as well. Some would argue that he's only a #5 defender, but to get him the Sens had to part with a three-time 15-goal scorer coming off a career year of 47 points. Foligno added some grit to his game this year totalling 124 PIMs along with his 47 points.

The Oilers have no forward similar to Foligno.

SCHENN FOR VAN RIEMSDYK

Philly acquired Luke Schenn from the Leafs for James Van Riemsdyk.

Contracts were a likely a bit of a factor in this deal, with JVR a $4.25 million cap hit and Schenn sitting at $3.6 million.

Schenn is unique. He played 21 minutes/game as a rookie, then 17 his 2nd season, he jumped up to 22 in his third year and last season he only played 16 min a night. He doesn't play on the PP. He's only 22 and he's already played 310 games. Some would argue he's been as high as #3 some years and as low as #6.

Van Riemsdyk has played three years and has seen his icetime increase by one minute every year, starting at 13 and playing 15 last year. He was injured for half of last season, but he still managed 11 goals and 24 points in 43 games. He scored 21 goals in 2011 after potting 15 as a rookie. He's 6'3" and 200 pounds, and while he isn't physical he has some size.

He has 99 points over 2 1/2 seasons, but 83 of them have come at EV. He didn't get much PP time in Philly because they had lots of depth, but he'll get PP time in Toronto.

Magnus Paajarvi would need to score 21 and 11 goals his next two seasons to equal Van Riemsdyk. Again, the Oilers didn't have a forward similar to JVR.

MICHALEK FOR PROSPECTS

Phoenix acquired Zybnek Michalek from Pittsburgh for Mark Cheverie (ECHLer), Harrison Ruopp (2011,3rd rounder...physical, stay-at-home defender for Prince Albert Raiders) and the 81st pick in the 2012 draft (Oskar Sundqvist).

Michalek has played top-four minutes in Pittsburgh the past two seasons. He plays EV and PK. He was a salary dump for the Penguins. He has three years left with a cap hit of $4 million.

Michalek shoots right and has played 550 NHL games, and for the past few years he has consistently faced the other team's top lines. Last year in Pittsburgh he and Brooks Orpik played the hardest minutes.

The Oilers could have easily been involved in this deal. They have loads of prospects and giving up two 3rd rounds and an ECHL player would have been easy to absorb. They completely missed the boat on not being involved in Michalek. The only explanation is that they felt acquiring him would lessen their chances of getting Justin Schultz, but I don't buy that either considering Michalek doesn't play the PP.

The Oilers could have acquired Michalek, giving up nothing significant, and went then paired Michalek with Ladislav Smid or Ryan Whitney. They could have elected to put Smid with Michalek and have them face the top lines all season, and then have Whitney with Jeff Petry and have Nick Schultz mentor the younger Schultz.

These are the types of deals that the Oilers need to be involved in.

OTHER OPTIONS

If the Oilers are going to acquire a top-four D-man now, they will likely have to pay way more than the Coyotes did for Michalek.

The list of top-four defenders that teams would be willing to part with isn't that long. Names like Jay Bouwmeester, Paul Martin and Keith Yandle have been floating around, but what would the Flames, Pens and Coyotes want in return.

Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner and Magnus Paajarvi would have the most value of the Oiler forwards (keep in mind I'm not including the four kids), but Paajarvi's value isn't as high around the league as it seems to be in Edmonton.

YANDLE

Yandle is an intriguing player. The Coyotes weren't happy how Dustin Brown ran his show in the 3rd round, and they feel Ekman-Larsson has more upside.

The Coyotes need forwards. Would Gagner and Paajarvi for Yandle make sense for both sides?

If the Oilers deal Gagner then Horcoff is their #2 centre. That isn't the best scenario, especially because the Oilers don't have any young offensive centres that look ready to play. Anton Lander is not ready to be a #2 centre, he might be in a few years, but if they dealt Gagner they might have to play Lander in OKC for 40 games as a 1st line centre to see if he has enough offence to be a good #2.

Yandle is a $5.25 million cap hit for the next four years, which makes him even more attractive because you know you'll have him for at least four years. He's only 25 years old, and if he is actually available then Steve Tambellini should be talking to Don Maloney daily.

The Oilers would likely have to add another pick or prospect to the package, but I'd make that deal if it was on the table.

BOUWMEESTER

I know many are leery of Bouwmeester's $6.68 million cap hit, but Bouwmeester and his Flames teammate Chris Butler faced tougher competition than every D-man in the league except Ryan McDonagh.

Bouwmeester has played 82 games in 8 of his 9 NHL seasons so at least you know he'll be on the ice and not on the trainer's table.

I don't see the Flames and Oilers pulling a deal, but if he was on the table I'd look at what it would cost.

MARTIN

I'd shy away from Martin. He's 31, doesn't bring much offence and isn't physical. He's a $5 million cap hit for three more years, and he don't see him as an upgrade of Nick Schultz.

WRAP UP

I don't expect the Oilers to be in on every available player, but when a player like Michalek is available for nothing, I wonder why Tambellini wasn't talking to Ray Shero.

Convincing J. Schultz to sign here was a great move by the organization, but he isn't a veteran defender. They've needed and wanted one for awhile, and if they are going to acquire one via the trade route they have to be aggressive.

They don't need to rush into any deal, but they need to be prepared to make a move when a player becomes available. Unless it is a salary dump like Michalek, the Oilers will need to be prepared to part with one or both of Gagner, Paajarvi and possibly another young forward prospect.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 dragon
July 10 2012, 01:16PM
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shopping Hemmer + pick for a D-man makes more sense than parting with Gags or MPS. he's got an attractive cap hit and not a lot of room in the lineup, considering our your wingers...

Hemmer + 2nd 2013 for Yandle.

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#52 Dman09
July 10 2012, 01:21PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

@ The Beaker

I don't get the 2 rookie defencemen argument the same as I don't get the argument that you can't have 2 small centreman. If they are not on the ice together they really don't effect one another.

The only way it makes sense is if you are trying to line match them against soft competition.

On forward I don't want a full line of small players, but one on each of the scoring lines really doesn't matter to me.

If Klefbom is NHL ready then match each of them with a reliable shutdown guy.

Petry-Whitney

N Schultz - J Shultz

Smid - Klefbom

Sutton as a 7th.

this looks like a pretty strong D corps. If the rookies show themselves to be reliable then feel free to move lines around to find the best chemistry.

After last season I don't think there is any way I would break up Petry and Smid. Those guys where awesome together and I would keep it that way. Whitney is going to have to work his way up again to get the confidence of the coaches back, he and Klefbom I think would be a good pairing.

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#53 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2012, 01:24PM
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I like QS idea about going big!

If the Oilers are contemplating trading Gagner, Paajarvi, a prospect for a player like Yandel or Bouwmeester to me that seems awfully rich!

These players could be had on the cheap, a NHL prospect a 2nd round pick and a conditional pick I would think would be enough.

If the Oilers are talking Gagner, Paajarvi a prospect just add a 2nd round pick there in Weber or Gudbranson zone or possible Subban. That's a lot of talent for one payer.

I still think Bouwmeester can be had the cheapest and Is the best avalible option, without taking away from your roster.

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#54 freeze
July 10 2012, 01:26PM
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Interesting article up over at In Lou we Trust (devils blog) http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2012/7/10/3149024/the-edmonton-oilers-as-a-possible-trade-partner

Seems like it could be a good match but I would expect Tambo to get fleeced by a savvy GM like Lou.

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#55 Jesse
July 10 2012, 01:28PM
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Gregor - giving up Gagner AND Paajarvi for Yandle seems like a little bit much. I don't think Gagner alone would get it done, but I think that Paajarvi has more value established in the league than you give him credit for: he had a solid rookie year, solid play in sweden before that, and a high draft pedigree and even though he struggled in 11-12, I don't think all of the upside is lost on GMs around the league.

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#56 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 01:29PM
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I heard something that I thought was really important. Obviously J Schultz is a rookie and we can expect some growing pains, but apparently him and Gardiner were playing 35 minutes a night on their college team.

He is billed as an all around Dman with huge offensive upside. If he can play 25+ minutes a night in a year or 2 he could easily be the minute munching 1 pairing Dman we have all been dreaming of since Pronger left

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#57 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2012, 01:34PM
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Paajarvi, Tuebert, plus a second round pick for Bouwmeester. I would offer the same for Yandel.

Or switch Paajarvi for Hemsky.

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#58 gary
July 10 2012, 01:36PM
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pretty sure michalek had a no trade, agreed to go back to phoenix but may not have accepted a trade to edmonton

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#59 A-Mc
July 10 2012, 01:37PM
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If Tambolini favors the trade market to pickup a D-Man, i am almost willing to put money down that he wont go after anyone until after training camp.

There are too many unknowns.

1. O. Klefbom is he good enough and where does he fit?

2. T. Hall's recovery

3. Ales Hemsky recovery

4. R. Whitney's Recovery

5. N. Yakupov - can he play in the NHL Right away? Can he play Left wing?

6. J. Shultz is he good enough? and if so, where does he fit

7. M.Paajarvi, Can he break back into the nhl? What pairing?

There are a fair number of "What If's" surrounding this team right now. Some Oiler Prospects are on the verge of Fruition and some Vets on the verge of full 100% recovery.

You cannot accurately assess what your team needs without knowing what you have. Right now, i dont believe Tambolini knows what he has to work with.

Final thought: Hemsky value was low this last season. If Hemsky is your trade piece, i would wait until next season to trade him; when his value increases. At lease you'd know what you had in Yakupov as his replacement as well.

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#60 gary
July 10 2012, 01:38PM
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yes as per capgeek michalek can provide a list of 8 teams he will not accept a trade to, so its a guess as to whether or not edmonton was on that list

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#61 Jaw17
July 10 2012, 01:44PM
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Why don't we just go out a sign a free agent like rozival for a year, even if we have to over pay to get a FA for the season we need a good placeholder for the klefboms, musils, marincins, etc. in our system we have to players just not the experience, then when a true number one or two d-man comes up in a year ir two we can make a push for him in either FA or a trade but we'll have enough bottom four D in a couple years

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#62 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 01:46PM
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@ Dman 09

I agree it would be very hard splitting up Smid and Perty and would prefer not to as well.

I would however feel more comfortable for the first few months putting the rookies with the 2 best shutdown D in Smid and N Schultz. If Whitney is skating well and looks 100% then I agree you keep petry and Smid together.

If Whitney's mobility is an issue I would be scared partnering him with a rookie.

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#63 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 01:49PM
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@A-MC

If klefbom is coming over and Whitney says he is feeling good I would do exactly as you suggest and hold off until training camp to decide if i need a Dman.

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#64 Will
July 10 2012, 02:11PM
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Jaw17 wrote:

Why don't we just go out a sign a free agent like rozival for a year, even if we have to over pay to get a FA for the season we need a good placeholder for the klefboms, musils, marincins, etc. in our system we have to players just not the experience, then when a true number one or two d-man comes up in a year ir two we can make a push for him in either FA or a trade but we'll have enough bottom four D in a couple years

Well Whitney's contract is up next year so Klefbomb could potentially just take his spot, then if we got a guy like Yandle, Schultz is a year older, Petry also has another year on him, and our defense corps going forward looks like this:

Yandle - Klefbomb

Smid - Petry

Schultz - Schultz.

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With Klefbomb getting one more year in Sweden, Petry having another good year in the NHL, and Shultz having one full year at the NHL under his belt, this d core could be one of the best in the league. From here we could trade Gagner and Hemskey for a bigger second line Center and maybe a high draft pick or prospect, pick up a good shut down third line RW. Hopefully wither Harti or Paajarvi demonstrate they can play on a skill line and use their size to forecheck (Harti has already done this) and Yak demonstrates he is the real thing.

Then our team has some size and a ton of skill on the top two lines. Our third line is a mix of vet, size, and shut down, and our fourth line hopefully under Kruger could be high energy banging line. Habby's contract too is up so our goal tending automatically improves. That gives us at least average goal tending, a good mix of size and skill at forward, and a good mix of offense and defense on our back end. That to me looks like a team that could compete for years to come.

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#65 Will
July 10 2012, 02:15PM
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Actually, that to me is my Oilers realistic dream team. I know it hinges on Getting Yandle without giving up Gagner or Hemsky, Being able to trade Gags and Hemsky for a good second line center with size. And for Petry, Shultz, Yak, and either Paajarvi or Hartikinen to develop further / live up to expectations. All of which I don't think is out of reach.

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#66 Mike Krushelnyski
July 10 2012, 02:16PM
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@freeze

It's really fun to read other fan sites and see fans of other teams overvalue their players and throw out ridiculous trades just like us!

From that article:

"As for the "young, proven defenseman" the Oilers would be looking for, that guy would be Mark Fayne. He's not elite talent, but he's held his own against tough competition for two years. (...) I don't like the idea parting with Fayne, but if it means that the Devils can acquire a young, somewhat proven top 6 forward like Hall, I'd be okay with it."

I had to look up who Mark Fayne was...but the writer could maybe live with giving him up for Taylor Hall.

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#67 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 02:26PM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski

I got a good laugh out of that as well. they also said they would not give up Larson for any of out Fab 4.

Are you kidding me? They actually thought they could get a franchise player by giving up a dman nobody here has even heard of.

I think most of us realize in order to get a franchise Dman with any term of contract left we would have to give up a franchise forward or a package that would leave us with holes for years to come.

That is kind of the equivalent of us wanting to trade Paajarvi straight accross for Larson or Doughty.

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#68 Hammers
July 10 2012, 02:27PM
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For me I would look at Streit from the Islanders . 1 year left on his contract perfect for us with Klefbom probably 1 year away . What would it take to get him . Maybe Plante or Peckham with a 2nd rd pick and Jones or Eager . Tell Tambo to try it especially with him having played for Ralph in Switzerland .

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#69 Will
July 10 2012, 02:29PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

@ Mike Krushelnyski

I got a good laugh out of that as well. they also said they would not give up Larson for any of out Fab 4.

Are you kidding me? They actually thought they could get a franchise player by giving up a dman nobody here has even heard of.

I think most of us realize in order to get a franchise Dman with any term of contract left we would have to give up a franchise forward or a package that would leave us with holes for years to come.

That is kind of the equivalent of us wanting to trade Paajarvi straight accross for Larson or Doughty.

It's a good thing fans aren't general managers of hockey teams as literally no trades would ever happen, unless stupid fans managed other teams.... oh.

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#70 nuge2nail
July 10 2012, 02:35PM
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Oiler Domination to Follow

This article missed Visnovksy whos been a +22 last 2 years for a second rounder.

I firmly believe the reason the Oil havent upgraded with trades similar to the Visnovsky/Michalek trade was simply because that would lesson their chances of getting Schultz.

Now that they have landed the big prize, they can easily sign a Kuba/Roszival or acquire a salary dump player for Anaheims second rounder.

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#71 Jaw17
July 10 2012, 03:14PM
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I don't see us getting yandle without giving up Hemsky or gagner, that's why I'd opt to sign a FA

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#72 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2012, 03:22PM
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Lets not plan to fail...

They shouldn't go and grab someone with some holes in their game, someone teams have given up on, some multiple times already. The Oilers have something going on here now, something the best players in the game might want to be a part of.

The Oilers need to show up and impress the available commodity just like they did with Justin Schultz. Like with Justin, Edmonton needs to continue acting like a winner if they hope to become one. Edmonton needs Weber every bit as much as we needed Justin......why not take a shot at the best looking girl at the dance.

Take your best shot at Weber, whether they get him or not.... atleast you conducted business like a club headed in the right direction.

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#73 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 03:30PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

@ The Beaker

I don't get the 2 rookie defencemen argument the same as I don't get the argument that you can't have 2 small centreman. If they are not on the ice together they really don't effect one another.

The only way it makes sense is if you are trying to line match them against soft competition.

On forward I don't want a full line of small players, but one on each of the scoring lines really doesn't matter to me.

If Klefbom is NHL ready then match each of them with a reliable shutdown guy.

Petry-Whitney

N Schultz - J Shultz

Smid - Klefbom

Sutton as a 7th.

this looks like a pretty strong D corps. If the rookies show themselves to be reliable then feel free to move lines around to find the best chemistry.

You don't see how having two rookies out of 6 Dmen would be easy as hell to exploitby opposing coaches? If we had a Chris Pronger, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara type that was playing 30 min a night we might be able to hide 2 rookie D. Maybe.

And about the two small centers. The argument isn't so much about having two small centers as our #1 and #2 it's about having no real size at all in our top 6 and the only two non untouchable trade assets we have in our top 6 are Gags and Hemsky. Right now Gagner has more return potential so just seems logical to assume that the size would probably come in the 2c position

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#74 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 03:33PM
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Jaw17 wrote:

I don't see us getting yandle without giving up Hemsky or gagner, that's why I'd opt to sign a FA

I'd give up Hemmer for Yandle. He fits in with the age group of our team and can be a long term piece on our roster. All the UFAs seem like short term plugs to me without Yandles upside.

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#75 pelhem grenville
July 10 2012, 03:52PM
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...Steve, some say you completely missed the boat when you didn't acquire Michalek from Pitt...is there a good reason why you didn't?

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#76 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 04:19PM
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@ beaker

I don't think it is as easy to exploit if the rookies are paired with top shut down dmen which we happen to have 2 of.

I know there will be growing pains, but let's just say I would much rather the temporary growing pains caused by breaking in 2 rookie Dmen on separate lines then be forced to endure Horcoff as my second line centre.

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#77 Wax Man Riley
July 10 2012, 04:27PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Lets not plan to fail...

They shouldn't go and grab someone with some holes in their game, someone teams have given up on, some multiple times already. The Oilers have something going on here now, something the best players in the game might want to be a part of.

The Oilers need to show up and impress the available commodity just like they did with Justin Schultz. Like with Justin, Edmonton needs to continue acting like a winner if they hope to become one. Edmonton needs Weber every bit as much as we needed Justin......why not take a shot at the best looking girl at the dance.

Take your best shot at Weber, whether they get him or not.... atleast you conducted business like a club headed in the right direction.

How do you know they haven't taken a shot at Weber?

Is he worth $110M over 13 years though?

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#78 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 04:47PM
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@Cody anderson

I personally believe that if you trade Gags without a legit plan to replace him then you are a moron.

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#79 Oiler Al
July 10 2012, 04:48PM
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Too many want to trade Gagner...fine, but who will replace him at the 2nd. line center? I think you know the answer, and it hurts, because he's no second line player .. I am not mentioning his name, but he wore #10, and makes $6..million a year.

I'd sooner trade Hemsky, at least you have Yakapov, to take his place. At this point I would get a filler like Roszival and see how Klefbom develops or one of the other prospects.

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#80 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2012, 05:00PM
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@Wax Man

It could be 8 months before anything happens on this front. The Oilers should atleast show Poile there's some serious interest on their behalf.

Just because he gets dealt at the deadline next yr doesn't seal his 2013 UFA desires. He likes what the Oilers are cooking to date i'm sure, Edmonton i have to think is on his July 1st 2013 radar. 50/50 he's an Oiler by this time next yr.

Money is no longer an issue for this "have" hockey market in Edmonton.

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#81 Wax Man Riley
July 10 2012, 05:06PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

@freeze

It's really fun to read other fan sites and see fans of other teams overvalue their players and throw out ridiculous trades just like us!

From that article:

"As for the "young, proven defenseman" the Oilers would be looking for, that guy would be Mark Fayne. He's not elite talent, but he's held his own against tough competition for two years. (...) I don't like the idea parting with Fayne, but if it means that the Devils can acquire a young, somewhat proven top 6 forward like Hall, I'd be okay with it."

I had to look up who Mark Fayne was...but the writer could maybe live with giving him up for Taylor Hall.

Hahahaa!!! Can someone with an account that is active go on there and let them know.

I guess it goes to show how much homers over-value their players. Oilers fans are no exception. PRV, Omark and Peckham plus a 2014 2nd rounder for Yandle... lol

Anything is possible, but highly unlikely unless maybe if it is for JBo in CGY. Feaster might bite on that. lol

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#82 Wax Man Riley
July 10 2012, 05:09PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

@Wax Man

It could be 8 months before anything happens on this front. The Oilers should atleast show Poile there's some serious interest on their behalf.

Just because he gets dealt at the deadline next yr doesn't seal his 2013 UFA desires. He likes what the Oilers are cooking to date i'm sure, Edmonton i have to think is on his July 1st 2013 radar. 50/50 he's an Oiler by this time next yr.

Money is no longer an issue for this "have" hockey market in Edmonton.

For some reason I just don't see it. If anything, Weber being an Oiler in 2014 is about 0.033% or less.

1/30 chance. He has the same chance as signing in Toronto, or Calgary, or Tampa Bay. My bet is Detroit or NYR are the front runners. Maybe Pitts since Crosby and Malkin are there. I bet even Minny has a better chance now that Suter is there.

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#83 rama lama
July 10 2012, 05:28PM
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Gregor good show today.........It must be hard finding stuff to talk about lately, come on Nash!

Any ways you have mentioned three trade scenarios Webber, Yandle, and Jaybo.......of all three I say Jaybo gives us the best bang for our buck. I for one have never been anxious to trade talent that is not yet fully recognized. A year can make a big difference in a player, you talked about that today. I don't mind trading talent that has been fully recognized, such as Hemsky, Horcough, Smyth, etc.

Given the fact our GM is risk adverse, and clearly uncomfortable 'wheeling and dealing would it not be more prudent to draft and build our players........or wait for a UFA to come our way?

I would hate to trade a bunch of players only to find out we had what we covet all along!

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#84 Johe
July 10 2012, 06:01PM
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Phoenix seems to like our rejects- case in point- Brule, Gilbert. Pouliot, Marc-Antoine. So logically that means that Omark, Linus, will be involved in any trade for Yandle. Actually, it's a scientific fact.

I would be absolutely thrilled if the Oilers could snag Yandle. But I wouldn't give up Gagner. Pajaarvi yes, but Gagner no. Not until someone else proves they can put up 45 plus points as our number 2 C. And I wouldn't give up on Peckham yet either. I think there's a player in their somewhere. Just be patient, like they were with Smid, and he could be a very solid third pairing guy in the mold of Matt Greene. And Phoenix would probably be more open to taking Potter anyways, as he could replace some of Yandle's offense from the backend.

So with all that said, how about Pajaarvi, Omark, Potter and our or Anaheim's second rounder? Maybe not enough, but it's a starting point.

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#85 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 06:05PM
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@Johe

What that does do is lower their salary, something they like to do. Likely they are going to include Betttmen under their cap hit to hit the floor .

24 players at league minimum + Bettmans salary = The Phoenix coyotes.

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#86 Copperblueandwhite
July 10 2012, 07:02PM
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Mark Fayne is number 29, he misses the wide open net in Game One...yawning cage that is!..he's just what we need!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNepIETXVMc

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#87 Bucknuck
July 10 2012, 07:10PM
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Before Gagner gets dealt I hope we see another centre come into the organization, unless they are REALLY sure that Hall should play centre.

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#88 Oilguy1
July 10 2012, 09:11PM
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K check this out......

Leave gagner alone for trades the guy just needs The right combo like most players. How about, Yak-Gagner-Pajaarvi 2nd line. 1st line, Hall-Nuge-Ebs These two lines are totally interchangable until We find what has the following. A proper mix of passing,positioning and goal finishing. Another good idea would be Nuge passing to Yak And vice versa=pucks in nets!!

Just to say, Pajaarvi kinda got shafted last Lear By Renney in favor of smyth who burned out halfway Through the year last year. I know he was having A tough year but c'mon.

As far as trading for a d-man, don't do it!!! Wait till after the CBA and see who has to dump Contracts and capitalize on that. No need to be jumpy here.

Besides we have enough offense to get by Until our D comes up.

Kruger beat Canada this year With a lot less talent on the team. I don't blame Tambo for taking it slow bc it must Be done properly or else all is lost!

So just lay off all your trading and let the team run Hard and fast under the new coach!!

I'm sure we will all be surprised!

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#89 Pouzar99
July 10 2012, 09:38PM
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I see little sense in forcing a trade for the likes of Bow or Yandle unless it sounds very good. Klefbom is VERY close, Musil is close and Marcinen and Gernat also look promising. Why give up valuable assets for a Top 4 D unless the terms are attractive? Methot would have been perfect but frankly an older bottom pair D as a bridge to the kids. It is much too early to give up on MP and trading Gagner without a legit replacement makes no sense and any reference to Weber is ridiculous. This is the silly season. The future still comes first.

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#90 Matthew
July 10 2012, 09:42PM
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Well, it all depends on how you look at it. It is with out a question the oilers need to improve their defence. But in doing so I don't want to see Magnus Paarjarvi go away considering has the potential to be a top 6 forward. So trading him right now would be foolish, he isn't costing the Oilers much but you need to protect yout assets. Plus Edmonton sees the value of him a lot higher than those of other cities, what do they value Paarjarvi at? Trading Ales Hemsky would seem like a good thing to do but, the question is what team would be looking at Ales Hemsky saying they NEED him on their team. He is a good player when he is healthy, and health is a consern for a 5 million dollar cap hit. Trading Hemsky I would be fine with Hemsky for a draft pick where we can draft a defenceman or trade him for a young defenceman that willl take time to develop like all players but a defenceman that has the potential to fill that Top 4 spot. Trading Sam Gagner, well it wouldn't be a bad idea, but first see what comes out of Arbartration. The Oilers defence will improve over time, but till then you need to be patient, if we look at the lineup we could defenately use a top 4 defence but we need to think about our youth defenceman and their potential they can bring to this franchise.

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#94 DOMINATOR
July 10 2012, 11:25PM
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Let's all face it

We are all mysteriously fascinated by the prospect of a Schultz - Schultz D pairing. It's a commentators wet dream.

Gino is salivating at the material for his pre game commentary

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#95 rc hobby
July 10 2012, 11:54PM
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I have learned something useful.Thanks a lot.

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#96 speeds
July 11 2012, 12:23AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Too much...My man take off your Oiler googles. You can't have all skilled forwards.

Yandle is 25 and a proven top-two defender. I'm amazed that fans don't want a proven player, but rather keep guys with upside...upside that might never pan out.

Yandle doesn't kill penalties, and hasn't played against the top opposition of other teams according to behindthenet:

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=PHX&f7=30-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

Both of those in combination seem unusual for a top 2 D. He certainly has the offense though.

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#97 Cowbell_Feva
July 11 2012, 12:31AM
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Totally agree with Gregor. Take off the Oiler goggles. I'm a die-hard, but understand exactly what he's saying. It's the same guy who argues with me that Horcoff is a good NHL player, when he isn't, just because he wears an Oilers jersey!

Yandle is young, signed for 5 years at a fairly modest cap-hit, and PROVEN. Just as Gregor said, I'd take proven over someone who might pan-out. The Oilers defense is weak sauce. We would finish higher in the standings with Yandle on the blueline, than with Gags at 2C and PRV in OKC- guaranteed.

As much as I think Gags could light it up with a Yakupov or other young gun on the wing, he still hasn't surpassed his rookie point totals. Outside of the 8 point night, he wasn't all that good last season either. It would pain me to see Horcoff at 2C, but if it meant Yandle being here for 5 years, I would take it.

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#98 Wax Man Riley
July 11 2012, 03:15AM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

Totally agree with Gregor. Take off the Oiler goggles. I'm a die-hard, but understand exactly what he's saying. It's the same guy who argues with me that Horcoff is a good NHL player, when he isn't, just because he wears an Oilers jersey!

Yandle is young, signed for 5 years at a fairly modest cap-hit, and PROVEN. Just as Gregor said, I'd take proven over someone who might pan-out. The Oilers defense is weak sauce. We would finish higher in the standings with Yandle on the blueline, than with Gags at 2C and PRV in OKC- guaranteed.

As much as I think Gags could light it up with a Yakupov or other young gun on the wing, he still hasn't surpassed his rookie point totals. Outside of the 8 point night, he wasn't all that good last season either. It would pain me to see Horcoff at 2C, but if it meant Yandle being here for 5 years, I would take it.

But Horcoff is a good NHL player. Overpaid? Absolutely.

Thrown in above his head until RNH got here? Yup.

But he won't have a problem finding a job after his contract is done in 2025. You don't play 765 NHL games if you are a bad player. Ask Schremp or Omark.

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#100 Cody anderson
July 11 2012, 09:18AM
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@ Jason Greger

I guess where we are disconnecting or disagreeing is that you see Yandle as a legit #1 Dman and I do not. I see him as a solid offensive Dman in the Souray mould. if his attitude was right I would have loved to have kept Souray same as I would love to add Yandle.

I would not however trade a legit 2C for this type of player when my team is thin down the middle and has no replacement or prospects in the pipeline to replace him.

Now if I were looking through your eyes and saw him as a legit #1 (such as Larson, Doughty, Weber, Suter, Karlsson) That was signed long term to this type of cap hit. then I would 100% agree with you. It is much harder to find a legit 1D on a reasonable contract then it is to find a 2C and the 1D plays more minutes and would have more impact.

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