Can the Edmonton Oilers keep their young core together?

Jonathan Willis
July 12 2012 09:19AM

What will the Oilers look like once the entry-level deals Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are on expire? What about when Ryan Nugent-Hopkins’ contract ends? Is the team going to remain affordable?

To try and answer those questions, I decided to embark on an exercise this morning, projecting the Oilers’ roster and contracts into the future. Naturally, any such exercise involves a series of assumptions and gets less and less accurate the further ahead we project, but it’s still useful for planning purposes. As a result, the details on depth players aren’t that important – as long as the big pieces are in the ball park.

2012-13

The first year is the easiest to project, because we’re making relatively few assumptions. My projected lineup is as follows (with players ordered by cap hit):

The total cap space remaining on this group is $7.7 million.

I’ve made a few assumptions here. I’ve assumed that Nail Yakupov will sign for the rookie maximum, and that Theo Peckham (if he returns) will be on a deal identical to his qualifying offer. I’ve also penciled in Gagner on a longish-term, $3.5 million/season deal. That’s based largely on this group of comparables; it seems reasonable to me that if the Oilers keep him he’s in that ballpark.

I’ve also assumed – based on Hartikainen getting a push in camp and Yakupov making the team – that Magnus Paajarvi and Anton Lander will start the year in Oklahoma City.

2013-14

This is where things start getting interesting. First, my projected lineup:

The total cap space remaining on this group is $0.08 million, assuming the cap doesn’t rise. We’re also (for the sake of argument) assuming the current CBA continues, or that a new CBA featuring rollbacks and a reduced cap will work with more or less the same numbers (i.e. Horcoff may make X dollars less, but his cap hit against a reduced cap should be comparable to $5.5 million against a $70.2 million cap).

Hall and Eberle’s deals are based in large part on my work here. I can see their deals potentially falling anywhere from $6 - $7.5 million per season, and I’ve projected to the midpoint of that range.

I’ve also assumed that Paajarvi and Hartikainen won’t get huge raises; naturally it’s possible that either breaks out. Smid’s deal is based on the one just signed by Marc-Edouard Vlasic in San Jose, while I’ve assumed a slight raise for Whitney if he gets back on track. That player doesn’t have to be Whitney, of course, but if he struggles with injury again this season it seems logical that the Oilers will need to find another defender who will command significant dollars.

2014-15

I haven’t projected totals for 2014-15, just highlighted expiring contracts in red. Here’s the lineup:

The logical assumption is that Hemsky is gone, and that his money helps to pay for Nugent-Hopkins’ new contract. Paajarvi may fit the bill as a cheap scoring line option, which would give the Oilers a complete top-six once Nugent-Hopkins deal is taken into account (in our extremely hypothetical scenario).

On the back-end, contracts to Dubnyk, Petry and the Schultzes will have expired at this point. That frees up a little over $12.5 million, but it also means the team is looking for a new starting goaltender and possibly two top-four defensemen. This is the year that the development of Klefbom and Marincin (and the rest of the young defenders) may start paying off if they’re capable of handling top minutes.

Still, everything looks pretty manageable – especially if the salary cap keeps going up. There’s not a lot of room to add extra parts without also shipping out equal salaries, but there’s no reason the team shouldn’t be able to survive the transition to paying the young stars, particularly if the current stable of defensive prospects produce one or two pieces capable of playing 2-3 years from now.

That’s the primary point, really. Personnel changes will happen – we don’t know what shape they’ll take, but we know trades and free agency will alter the face of the team. A hypothetical exercise like this will always be hopelessly outdated one year down the line. But what it shows us is that as long as the Oilers make prudent contract decisions from here on out, it seems entirely plausible that they will be able to keep the core of the team intact.

THIS WEEK BY JONATHAN WILLIS

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 oilerman53
July 12 2012, 11:52AM
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Hall and Eberle have already shown immense leadership skills and I'd be willing to be that they would take deals and a discounted term of contract to keep the team together. Any player would love a contract that pays them upwards of $6 million per season. If I were Hall and Eberle I would do the right thing and go with 6 year $33 million to keep the core together and I think it is possible.

Capitalism and what not aside this core has a chance to be somethinf special and no amount of money could buy you a better chance at becoming hall of famers and potentially winning more than one cup. Hall and Eberle have not shown themselves to be the least bit greedy. Six year deals put them both in their prime to cash in while theyre in their prime.

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#52 madjam
July 12 2012, 11:56AM
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Jake: How many players will take a discount like Smyth(you got to love him for it ) ? As we become a better team prices will inflate - natural coarse/progression each year , and every thing remains relatative at this point to the cap . That inevitably will change, as it does every year .

Previous mistake made last time we were extra competitive , was to award some players with exhorbitant contracts like Horcoff and Pisani . Hopefully we don't do that again next time we go that far .

If we succeed, say this year, can we avoid the problems of losing players that plagued Pitts. , Chicago , etc.? It appears even tougher nowadays to have much in the way of sustainability after one run to the finals - moreso than we lost Gretzky .

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#53 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 12:02PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis.

The Bossys,Messiers,Coffeys of the world weren't paid based on hopeful future performance. They were paid accordingly till they showed they could do it on a consistant basis. A time when the game reached it peak as far as entertainment value goes.

To pay now for potential future performance would have atleast 2/3rds of the teams in the NHL losing money every year.....oh wait, they are! We'd be doomed and probably end up with a league full of Rick Nash's.

ie. before the salary cap. It simply can't work at way anymore if you hope to win.

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#54 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2012, 12:03PM
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Why on earth would we ever assume the cap isn't rising over a 2+ year time frame?

Also, it's kind of interesting but mostly a pointless excersice (no offense) every teams roster changes so much every year, thier really isn't much point penciling out line-ups much more then 1 and certainly no more then 2 years ahead.

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#55 VMR
July 12 2012, 12:03PM
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So this pretty much makes it impossible to sign any free agents for longer than a season right?

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#56 Old Soldier
July 12 2012, 12:15PM
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I can agree in general on the projections but there is one huge "wrench" that could be thrown into the mix, especially as the core group matures and the Oil become a contender....Tambellini making one of these idiotic free agent signings. I am hoping that it becomes an organizational policy that the only free agents we look at are role players and max at 2 year contracts.

Also I am not familiar with the buyout rules, but given some of the younger bottom prospects, would it be feasible to buy Horcoff when Smyths contract is done, putting young blood in the 3C role.

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#57 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 12:17PM
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Off topic:

What do people think would need to happen to make an Eberle - Pietrangelo trade work?

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#58 mayorpoop
July 12 2012, 12:24PM
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@TUG

i am huge fan of Petriangelo. this kid was great in the WJC's and i have no idea why no one tried before, for alot less, to get him. maybe they did try before but to trade Eberle now for Petriangelo would a simple player trade imo. one for one.

i am so torn on whether i would do that tho.

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#59 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 12 2012, 12:27PM
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There's only one player up for grabs worth including one of the crown jewels, and that is the one man gang Shea Weber.

Real deal vs real deal hopeful, not a difficult decision if it involves a fab 4 member..

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#60 Hockeyman99
July 12 2012, 12:29PM
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After this year Horcoff's contract may be disirable to a cap floor team it's a very real possibility we may get an asset back in a trade

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#61 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 12:32PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

There's only one player up for grabs worth including one of the crown jewels, and that is the one man gang Shea Weber.

Real deal vs real deal hopeful, not a difficult decision if it involves a fab 4 member..

I think Pietrangelo has now proven himself. He's the real deal.

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#62 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 12 2012, 12:38PM
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160 NHL games and 95 pts screams Hall of Famer fer sure.

Sample size is insufficient.

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#63 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 12:43PM
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Man, thank you Jonathan for writing this!

I have taken a look at the same contracts and tried to find comparables for Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins and such based on performance and draft range. I came up with slightly lower totals, but the conclusion was the same.

There is nothing intrinsic in the way this team is constructed that would force the team to break apart once the ELCs are done.

The constant refrain from fans in other cities (usually Vancouver, interestingly enough) of the kids all demanding trades or having to leave once they are done the first contracts because EDmonton is too small-market and cheap to be able to afford them needs to be blown out of the water.

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#65 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 12:47PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

160 NHL games and 95 pts screams Hall of Famer fer sure.

Sample size is insufficient.

If only there were other ways besides points to analyse players....

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#66 K_Mart
July 12 2012, 12:49PM
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@ Jonathan Willis.

I don't know about your projections for Hall and Ebs' salaries. For them to get more than Toews, Tavares, and Kane seems off. I think 5.5-6.0 would be more reasonable.

I can't see hall getting as much as Ebs unless he can at least produce within 10 pts of him in a season. Right now with Hall's injury problems, and his lower level of production I would think 5-5.5 for him and 5.5 to 6.0 for Ebs.

Once Horcoff, Souray, Hemsky, and Khabbi are off the books we should have no issues keeping the kids together.

I'd like to think that they hold winning as a priority that outranks money... but somehow I fear the latter.

I'd really like it if they kids put up 80-90 pt seasons but still understood that if Datsyuk is only a 6.7 mil cap hit, then they can't expect more.

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#67 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2012, 12:52PM
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@ JW

To tell you the truth, I think all this worrying about future cap issues is much ado about nothing.

I mean the Wild just added 15 million cap hit $$'s in two players.... when they already had 28 million tied up in their 5 highest paid players... and we are worried about signing 4 guys with one 70 point season between them?

Worst case, if the team can't scrap together enough cap space you ship one off for a monster return.

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#68 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 12:56PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

No arguments on either point. This is an extremely hypothetical exercise.

However, I've long been interested in trying something like this and it seems I'm not really alone - at the very least, it does show that the Oilers can plausibly fit Hall/Eberle under the cap without dooming the team or their odds of keeping Nugent-Hopkins.

I think a teams goal should be to keep their core of 7 players under 36 million in cap space.

If this can be accomplished the rest of the roster can be filled in affordably enough. Especially if thy can draft well.

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#69 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2012, 12:58PM
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@ K_Mart

Only 9 players league wide put up 80+ points last year. Has their been a team in the last 20 years with 4 80+ point guys?

Theirs only one puck, no way all 4 of these guys put up monster numbers, you're always going to have 1-2 of them below 70 points.

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#70 nuge2nail
July 12 2012, 12:59PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

6.0/Season for an RFA is reasonable if the CORE has any intention to stay together. Anyone who finds that laughable is looking too hard at the Horcoff contract and is oblivious to the way winning organizations run their teams.

STEVE TAMBELLINI has TWO good qualities as a GM. Just Two. Building the Farm(AHL + Prospects) and Negotiating stingy contracts.

He should compare these extensions to UFAs from within the division.The Twins, Burrows were signed in 09(5 years/4 Years) and Keslar was signed in 2010(6 Years). If he uses these players who all had more playoff success, more established careers, and a much higher +-... than the 6.0 million extensions are not laughable. The term will probably be shorter, but the amount is justifiable if you look over to West Coast.

Daniel Sedin - 6.1 Million(85 points/63 games) Henrik Sedin - 6.1 Million (112 Points/+35) Burrows - 2 Million (35 G/32 A/+34) Keslar - 5 Million (25G/50A/Selke Nom)

6.0/Million a year seems reasonable, considering the contracts signed by UFAS within the division - who had accomplished far more during their careers and during their contract seasons IMO.

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#71 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 01:04PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I also think an important key is to begin selling these guys on the team ASAP. You hear of NBA teams doing it to convince gus to take lower salaries, but you don't really hear of it in hockey.

Both Shaq and Duncan had max deals on the table but were sold on he idea of signing smaller more cap-friendly deals to help the team.

The three a$$holes in Miami all took haircuts to play together.

It happens semi-regularly.

You start selling now, and when the time comes you offer two deals. You say this is what we know you are worth, this other one is close and is best or the team. Sign whichever one you choose.

If they choose more money it's still probably a fair deal and tey can be moved still if necessary, and if they choose less you've benefited the team greatly.

This allows the player the opportunity to choose wining over money but doesn't insult them, by claiming their worth less than they can get.

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#72 TigerUnderGlass
July 12 2012, 01:05PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

@ K_Mart

Only 9 players league wide put up 80+ points last year. Has their been a team in the last 20 years with 4 80+ point guys?

Theirs only one puck, no way all 4 of these guys put up monster numbers, you're always going to have 1-2 of them below 70 points.

Exactly. Only so any minutes to go around.

PEople keep losing their minds about Gagner's supposed lack of offense but as the 5th/6th option on offense he is already waaay above the curve.

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#73 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2012, 01:11PM
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@ TUG

Realistically guys like Gagner are exactly what we need at this point. Skilled enough to complement the elite talent, and affordable enough make sure we keep the elite talent.

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#74 Pucker
July 12 2012, 01:16PM
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Excellent article Jonathon. As others, I've wondered about projections. I'm sure the Oiler's have a budget covering the next 3 or 4 or 5 years which will set their plan on FA signings, contract limits and such.

I appreciate the number of articles you put out. Please don't stop. Having a life beyond writing articles on the Oiler's is over rated anyway.

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#75 The Real Scuba Steve
July 12 2012, 01:20PM
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Don't worry, Kevin Lowe assured us once the new CBA contract goes into effect, small markets teams like us will reap the benefits by affording to keep our star players.... Wait a minute .....What was in 2005! we are so screwed, for the first time in Oil history we now wish there wasn't a salary cap.

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#76 vetinari
July 12 2012, 02:04PM
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Jonathon, great extrapolations to give us at least a starting point to look at what the team will be like over the next few years. Hopefully there will be a few trades, signings and quality non-top 10 future draftees to supplement these projections.

I think that we can maintain a roster that features Hall, Eb's, the Nuge and Nail if we can get them locked into long term deals based on your projections at the expiry of their entry level contracts. I would also just love it if a blue chip top 2 defenceman emerges out of our current set of draftees.

If I was the Oilers management, I think that I would be pushing for a provision in the new CBA that says a player's second contract can't be longer than, say, 5 years, or for an amount more than double what their original cap hit was to help manage future anticipated costs. However, that is unlikely to happen.

On a side note, wouldn't "The Nuge & Nail" be a great name for a pub or what?

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#77 Wanye
July 12 2012, 02:05PM
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Put a one in front of the suggested salary for Eberle and I approve of all of this. Good article tho for reals JW

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#78 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 02:15PM
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Working off of the topic of Hall, Eberle, and RNH locked up to reasonable long-term contracts, isn't the ideal situation, and one that I think the Oilers are trying to get to, one where a UFA like potentially Weber, offer to take less in order to play on a stacked team?

It is along the lines of the "build it and they will come" philosophy, but I would argue that rather than going out and trying to overpay for Weber now, keep building this team and make it so damned exciting that he chooses us. If the Oilers want to pursue the "Detroit model" that would fit into the blueprints, I think.

It would be nice to be in the driver's seat for once with free agent negotiations.

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#79 KleptoKlown
July 12 2012, 02:26PM
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@Nudge2nail

"The term will probably be shorter, but the amount is justifiable if you look over to West Coast."

Finally said something not laughable.

You offered a 10 year deal to a Russian who has never even played 1 NHL game. People tend to roll their eyes at comments like that.

I think it's safe to assume the cap hits will be north of 6million. The players you listed all signed those contracts when the salary cap was lower. Adjusting for inflation, 6.5 seems realistic.

Better hope it's done before July 1 2013 though, otherwise an offer sheet from some other team is inevitable.

One thing the Oilers as a whole can be happy about is an owner with deep pockets and is truly a fan himself. You'll be able to spend right to the cap celing, which is something most of the other bottom teams can't come close to doing.

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#80 Pouzar99
July 12 2012, 02:31PM
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Great column. This provides us with a template for discussing long-term plans in a realistic manner. I think the estimates are very good. $6.75 million per 6 or 7 years seems about right for the Fab 4, assuming no surprise development in terms of CBA changes, unusual cap changes, roster changes, or a jump or drop in performance by one or more. Yes, we should be able to keep this young group together as they develop as long as we avoid a major FA overpay or a bad trade. I am a little confused by the implication that we wouldn't re-sign Dubnyk, if I read that right. He may well be a key player for us by then or we might have to go for an upgrade one way or another. I am cautiously optimistic, but open to whatever happens. I strongly suspect that Oil management has their own rough chart and is using it as a guide to what they can and cannot afford. Their decision not to dip into the FA market, or to do so cautiously and been outbid, suggests an appreciation of these issues. A lot depends on their current assessments and predictions for young players such as MP, TH, Al and SG.

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#81 EHH Team
July 12 2012, 02:37PM
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K_Mart wrote "I don't know about your projections for Hall and Ebs' salaries. For them to get more than Toews, Tavares, and Kane seems off. I think 5.5-6.0 would be more reasonable."

Kane & Toews entered their contracts in 2010-11 and receive $6.5 million each with a cap hit of $6.3 million. In 2010-11, teams' salary caps were about $60 million and have grown to over $70 million for 2012-13. If Kane & Toews were signing their contracts this summer rather than two years ago, it is only reasonable to expect that their contracts would be significantly larger.

If Hall & Eberle project to be comparable to Kane & Toews, one could expect an average cap hit of at least $6.75 million each, and it might be higher.

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#82 Oiler Al
July 12 2012, 03:02PM
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You might assume that in 2013/14, Horcoff should be bought out and Hemsky traded, so thats $10 mil and I am sure there sould be at least a $5mil pick up on those two contracts. Whitney is also the question mark, depends on this health, he could be gone as well, and one of the newbies might fill that gap at cheaper rate. [ L.A won the cup with $19 million on defense] Anyway you dice, they probably still need that stud/semi on defense and the same at center. L.A. had great goaltending, but there line up at center on all lines made a big difference towards their cup win. PS> Katz will have to spend to the Cap, to contend. Thats the price you pay for chasing 3 or 4 high end drafts.

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#83 K_Mart
July 12 2012, 03:18PM
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@EHH Team

Neither of them are as valuable as Toes IMO, but equal to Kane or slightly higher in Ebs' case is a fair projection. Tavares just signed for 5.5... if the cap goes up.. FINE, but I'm obviously speaking in relative terms.

6.75 on a 53 million cap is one thing. I'd be ok with 6.75 on a 73 million cap.

I just wasn't clear.

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#84 T__Bone88
July 12 2012, 03:25PM
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@EHH Team

What does an increasing cap limit have to do with Hall and Eberle making significally more than Toews & Kane? If by that logic when Yakupov resigns in three years and the cap limit raises another 10 million he should make 7.5 million. You use Kane and Toews in setting the max cap hit for Hall & Ebs. Kane & Toews signed their contracts only two years ago and as of right now Hall or Eberle do not deserve more than those two until they make the play offs.

@Jonathan Willis

Using Vlasic as a comparable for Smid is not really a good comparable. Vlasic has double the regular season points & has been in the playoffs as where Smid has not played one game yet in.

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#85 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2012, 03:51PM
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@ T__Bone

Increasing cap limit has everything to do with it.

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#87 Pajamah
July 12 2012, 04:14PM
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Agreed, the cap short of 1 or 2 seasons has gone up $5 million each season.

$10 million in 2 seasons would see us easily keep the core together, possibly even add a high end piece.

I'm not too worried.

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#88 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 04:31PM
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The current level of the cap should help the Oilers retain their core through the next five to six years.

Increases, on the other hand, will be needed to help flesh out enough complementary talent to make the team successful.

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#89 T__Bone88
July 12 2012, 04:33PM
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I would compare Smid's next contract to something close to what Johnny Boychuk got $3.36 million over 3 years.

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#91 toprightcorner
July 12 2012, 06:04PM
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I believe that the owners will really try to put a limit on second contracts or contracts to RFA eligible years. It would not only make sense for the owners to enable them to build a team that has the ability to keep it together longer, but it would also make sense to a majority of the players which are currently past RFA status. With the young players getting a majority of the cap space money, it greatly reduces the income potential of the more veteran players. If the veteran majority players, as a whole, we're smart, they would try to get an agreement that allows them to earn more money and limiting second contracts or the first 6 years of contracts for players would accomplish that.

If they could limit those contracts to a maximum increase to50% of the maximum salary for their draft year, it would be a fair deal for all.

An example would be that Hall and Eberle could be signed to a maximum contract of about $5.6 million. Still a good income for them, but not too crazy that they can't afford to pay other quality players. If a team had 4 star young players, the savings compared to a $6.5 million contract would be enough to cover the salary of another quality player.

Considering even the best rookies never come close to triggering all of their bonuses, they would still have an increase in actual paid salary of over $3 million.

Now my numbers are simply examples, but I believe the idea would benefit all players in the league but also the owners and especially the fans that don't have to fear the dismantling of a quality rebuild because of salary cap issues. It also takes stupid offer sheets from being offered.

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#92 michael
July 12 2012, 06:07PM
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Your assumptions are based on the current CBA. My thoughts are somewhat different than yours regarding the amount of money and term players who entering thier 2cd contracts will be allowed to be signed for. I believe that the NHLPA and the NHL wish to put a cap on those contracts. Perhaps a new formula will apply come next yesterday. Which should/could benefit not only the Oilers but all 30 franchises. I believe the owners will give up one year of FA in exchange for certainty in the area of ELC's and 2cd term contracts.

Another wildcard is that the NHL has certainly reworked the model for an NHL franchise which will feed its coffers more than ever has been imagined. The Pheonix saga will die this summer. Fold? No. But KC and Saskatoon eagerly await.QC and Hamilton await news of expansion. What better way to tell the world,the media,the sponsors and the fans that game is healthy and growing. And to remove the memory of Pheonix?

Labour certainty.Growth.

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#93 madjam
July 12 2012, 06:14PM
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Cap goes up each year and thus past on to players . Most of those long term contracts are a bargain over long term if player remains elite - gamble no doubt . New and future long term contracts should be bigger than the ones now in effect . Our youth may, and probably should exceed those amounts in a couple of years if headed toward elite status . Two years down the road maybe $10M /season might become the norm for elite talent (market value) . Don't laugh -the KHL is already paying that for elite and semi elite players , and their not as healthy overall as the NHL .

YES,WE DO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ELITE SUCCESS !

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#94 EHH Team
July 12 2012, 06:54PM
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@T_Bone

Of course the team cap limits affects the market price of individual players. Remember the pre-cap days when Yashin & some others got ridiculous contracts. The more money GMs have available to spend, the more they will spend.

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#95 nuge2nail
July 12 2012, 07:35PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Daniel Sedin - 6.1 Million(85 points/63 games) Henrik Sedin - 6.1 Million (112 Points/+35) Burrows - 2 Million (35 G/32 A/+34) Keslar - 5 Million (25G/50A/Selke Nom) Unless im missing something here Eberle(76 Points) and Hall(53 points) is no where close to the Twins but they deserve MORE MONEY?

I understand inflation and the cap rising 12 million since thier contracts were signed but we are talking about a 36 point gap and a +- gap of 30.

Has inflation effected NHL Salaries that much -not to mention the Twins would have offers from 30+ teams and Hall and Eberle will have offers from one.

Henrik had more points in his contract year than both our guys have in their entire Careers. 6.0/Mil a year for one RFA who has 95 Points/Two seasons the other 119 Points/Two Seasons seems legitimate considering what these players have accomplished so far.

It will be argued that our guys have more potential, they are younger, the cap is rising, they can get more money elsewhere... and some of those points are true - but Henrik adn Daniel could have taken 7Mil each to play in Toronto, they took a discount to keep a competitive team together, im hoping our CORE does something similar and takes a cap hit in the same range as the stars over on the West Coast.

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#96 Matthew
July 12 2012, 10:32PM
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The only way the Edmonton Oilers can keep all their upcoming offensive talent is if Hall, Eberle and them are willing to take a little paycut in order to preserve having one of the best teams in the NHL in the future.

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#97 KleptoKlown
July 12 2012, 10:40PM
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@nuge2nail

You answered your own question in that post. Hall and Eberle are not worth more than the Sedin's(not right now anyway...couple years time might be different) but the Sedin's took that home team discount everyone hopes there favorite players will take to stay.

Burrows did the same(he actually got fleeced on that contract in retrospect) Kesler took a discount too, all be it not to the same degree as the Sedin's

Hamhius, Bieska and Garrison all left money on the table too.

It is the only reason why the Canucks have been able to remain competitive, and look to be competitive for at least a few more years.

The Oilers are going to have to have the same dedication from its players, or else this is going to be a short ride. That's why the Hall and Eberle contracts are so important next year. They are going to set the standard for future Oiler contracts. If Hall and Eberle sign for say 6 million per season, no one else on the Oilers should expect to make more than that(Unless that player is Shea Weber)

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#98 nuge2nail
July 12 2012, 11:05PM
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@kleptoklown "Hall and Eberle are not worth more than the Sedin's(not right now anyway...couple years time might be different)"

I hope in a couple years Hall and Eberle put up 110+ points, while putting up +35's and are worth more than the Twins. Sadly today that is not the case and most likely it will not be next year.

You make a great point that Halls contract will establish the value for everyone else on the team. If Hall takes a paycut to stay on the team - I can see everyone following. If Hall takes Max dollar - I can see everyone following. Heres hoping they want to stay together.

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#99 Oilcruzer
July 12 2012, 11:22PM
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If there's a lockout...

...the whole thing is a mess.

Be nice if the four key players had their agents sit in and negotiate together.

What's better? A million more a year on a crap team or being on a great team?

Answer... You get more endorsements and lifetime opportunities when you play on a legendary team. No one sponsors a loser.

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#100 madjam
July 12 2012, 11:38PM
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Dubnyk for J.Bernier ( just requested a trade ) . Deal or no deal ? Bernier worth persuing , and would he be an upgrade ?

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