TRADE WINDS....

Jason Gregor
July 24 2012 11:36AM

Yesterday Scott Howson joined a long list of GMs who were forced to trade away a star player and then be criticized because they didn't get enough in return. Make no mistake Howson was dealing from a position of weakness. The minute a star player's trade demands go public his value goes down.

Some were comparing the Mike Richards trade to Nash, but  they aren't the same. Richards didn't ask to be dealt and that's why Paul Holmgren was able to get Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn, but the Kings still won that deal.

When you trade the best player it is hard not to lose the trade, and even though Nash isn't a superstar, the Rangers won the deal. The only way the deal will even out is if Tim Erixon turns into a top-two defender, or the late first rounder develops into someone similar to Jordan Eberle.

But is Howson done dealing?

With the addition of Erixon, Howson now has eight D-men, and considering his lack of offence, it isn't hard to assume he's open to offers that include a scoring forward.

JACKETS BLUELINE

James Wisniewski: $5.5 million cap hit, with a NMC that becomes a modified NTC in 2013. The 28-year-old has five years left on his deal and at that price he'll be hard to move.

Fedor Tyutin: He has a NMC clause that switches to a modified NTC in 2015 and his new six-year, $27 million deal starts this year. He's 29 and a solid 2nd pairing defender.

Jack Johnson: Was acquired late last year for Jeff Carter and he has six years left as a $4.35 million cap hit. He's rumoured to be the next Captain of the Jackets, and it's doubtful Howson would move him.

Adrian Aucoin: The 39-year-old signed a one-year, $2 million deal this summer that includes a NMC. At his age, he'll likely only be attractive as a deadline rental.

Nikita Nikitin: Has a new two-year deal with a $2.15 million cap hit. He'll be a #4 with the Jackets. He quietly racked up 32 points for the Jackets last season and at 26 the Jackets feel he is just starting to get comfortable. He'd be attractive to some teams.

Tim Erixon: He is entering the 2nd year of his ECL at a $1.75 million cap hit, but his base salary is only $900,000. At 21 he's already with his 3rd organization. He shunned the Flames after they drafted him 23rd overall in 2009 and was dealt to the Rangers last year. Some think he was the key "future" piece of the Nash deal, so I wonder if Howson will want to keep him for a few years.

John Moore: He was taken two spots ahead of Erixon in the 2009 draft, and is entering his 2nd full season with the Jackets with a low $965,000 cap hit. He struggled in his own end at times last year, but they like his size. He was a puck-mover in the USHL and OHL, and they hope once he gets more comfortable in the NHL he'll be a solid prospect. He shoots left, and isn't very physical. I wonder if there is room for him and Erixon long-term.

David Savard: Another 2009 draft pick. He was the 94th pick that year, and while he doesn't have the first round status of Erixon and Moore, he's progressed nicely. He's a solid all-around D-man who moves the puck well. He's developed quicker than expected and many scouts around the league are high on him. He shoots right, which makes him even more intriguing.

Ryan Murray: He hasn't signed with the Jackets yet, but rumblings are that he is close. He's ready for the NHL, but considering how bad the Jackets handled Ryan Johansen last year I'm not sure it is a guarantee he'll play in Columbus this year. Murray would have huge trade value, but I don't see Howson moving a potential franchise D-man.

BEST BETS

I think Murray and Johnson are untouchable at this moment. Wisniewski's contract is unattractive to most teams, and it sounds like Howson is leery of dealing a solid defender like Tyutin, unless he gets a legit top-six forward in return.

Nikitin, Erixon, Moore and Savard are all young with varying degrees of upside. Would the Oilers move Magnus Paajarvi or Ales Hemsky for one of them? Would you?

RANDOM THOUGHTS

  • Rick Nash is a star, but he isn't a superstar. He never made anyone better in Columbus and with only one 70-point season in his career it is a stretch to suggest he'll be a consistent top-ten scorer in New York. He's a goal scorer, not a playmaker so I won't be surprised to see him score 40-45 goals with Brad Richards, but he is not someone you build your team around.
     
  •  18 players were scheduled to go to arbitration and so far 16 of them signed prior to their arbitration hearing. Only Anton Stralman (July 31st, Rangers) and Dale Weise (July 27th, Vancouver) have yet to agree to a new deal. I'm assuming those two will agree before their dates as well, and the arbitrators will have a free summer.  With no one going to arbitration, does that mean the players and owners are closer than we think? Probably not, but like all of you I'm hoping for a season and I'm looking for any positive sign that the season will start on time.
     
  • The Preds have until tomorrow to match the Flyers 14-year, $110 million offer sheet to Shea Weber. David Poile has two options. Negotiate another deal with the Flyers that will give him something better than four 1st rounders, or match the offer. After a phone call this morning to a source in Nashville I'm leaning towards them matching the offer because it sounds like there hasn't been any trade talk between the Preds and Flyers. Lots can change in the final 24 hours, but I'll be shocked if they don't match. Unless the Preds get two players who can play this year, I'd match the offer. If they let him walk, the Preds will be stuck in hockey purgatory. Not good enough to compete, but not bad enough to be a lottery team.
     
  • One of my new favourite segments on my show is our Elite Sportswear Coach of the week. Parents or kids can nominate their coach via email, gregor@theteam1260.com. Tell me what makes him or her a great coach, and they can win a great prize package from Elite and be interviewed on the show. If you know a coach who goes above and beyond let me know. Individual or team sport.

SPEC'S DECK II

**Latvian Fire Jumping from last year's party.***

One of the best deck parties of the summer will go down August 17th. Last year I came up with an idea to raise money for charity, while including a great night out. We hatched the idea Spec's Deck, where my good buddy from Sportsnet, Mark Spector, would a party on his deck.

It was a great succes, so we are doing it again.

Here's the details...

On Friday August 17th, we will be doing my show from Spec's deck, and we'll have five lucky winners, along with three of their friends, join us for a hell of a party.

The contest works like this. You donate $100 to help end MS and you get in the draw. We will have FIVE winners and we cap it at 100 entries. You can enter as many times as you wish. $100 gets you one entry, $200 gets you two and so one. Last year we sold out in less than three weeks, so if you want to win, get on it.

Here is what you get:

Prestige Limos will pick you up, (Each group of four has one pick up spot) and take you to Spec's deck in style.

Vons Steak House and Oyster Bar will be catering the event. BBQ steak, chicken, potatoes, veggies, etc...And Oysters.

Big Rock will supply beer all night long and in the Limo.

Andrew Peller will supply the wine, because us sports guys are a dignified group.

Yellow Cab will ensure everyone gets home safe and sound. They, like me, don't want anyone drinking and driving.

The party will start around 4 p.m. and last for as long as we like. Robin Brownlee, Ryan Rishaug, Jason Strudwick and maybe even Wanye will be there. I've also secured two SPECIAL GUESTS. Two NHL players will spend the evening sharing stories and probably listening to "how you were this close to making the show."

We will also have musician, Brett Kissel, playing on Spec's deck. The Deck is currently being renovated by the fine folks at The Deck Store so it will be even bigger and better than last year.

This will be a great evening of fun, laughs and good times.

 A huge thank you to all the sponsors and good luck.

You can enter by clicking Gregorridesforms.ca

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement
July 24 2012, 11:41AM
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I'll be the FIST to say Rick Nash stays under 70pts this year. Good player, yes, over rated, yes.

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#2 The Beaker
July 24 2012, 12:06PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Ryan Murray isn't signed yet. Have to believe he's available for the right price. Maybe the Oilers could bring in Paul Holmgren to help get this done, no?

Howson still has knowledge of players on this roster he'd like. Maybe now that the Jackets are a floor team they may not want to put out 3.5 to have Murray on their roster this coming season.

Ummmm huh? did you forget the ~s?

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#3 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2012, 11:57AM
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Ryan Murray isn't signed yet. Have to believe he's available for the right price. Maybe the Oilers could bring in Paul Holmgren to help get this done, no?

Howson still has knowledge of players on this roster he'd like. Maybe now that the Jackets are a floor team they may not want to put out 3.5 to have Murray on their roster this coming season.

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#4 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 24 2012, 12:57PM
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"even though Nash isn't a superstar, the Rangers won the deal. The only way the deal will even out is if Tim Erixon turns into a top-two defender, or the late first rounder develops into someone similar to Jordan Eberle."

Deffinitly disagree with this.

Depends how the various players fit in/gel in their new homes, but quite resonable the NYR recieved one 65 point player while the Jackets have 2 45 point players + 2 unknowns.

I'll take two 45 point guys over a 65 point guy any day.

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#5 Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement
July 24 2012, 01:04PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

@ Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement

I'll be the FIST to say Rick Nash stays under 70pts this year. Good player, yes, over rated, yes.

Not a chance. Playing with Richards and Gaborik he'll get 40 goals/75 points easy. I agree that he's not necessarily a franchise player but he's phenomenally talented and he's never played with linemates anywhere near that caliber.

I'd definitely trade Hemsky for Nikitin and a 2nd.

If Nash puts up 40 goals/75 points, I'll eat my words. But up to this point... he's alot of hype, alot of potential, alot of.... 60 point seasons.

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#6 TigerUnderGlass
July 24 2012, 02:07PM
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I wasn't excited about spending the #1 overall pick on Murray, but I think I'd pay a good price for him in trade.

Who is our worst defenseman, because that's what it took for LA to get Carter.

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POS and Brule had 70 points in 09-10 combined. Actually 71, would you really take that over Nash?

Two players getting a combined 70-80 points isn't hard to find. They are often on waivers or available mid-summer through free agency.

Daniel Winnik and Kyle Wellwood, 69 points.

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#8 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 24 2012, 03:28PM
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@ carnivalofchampions

21 points in 14 games against Slovenia/Ukraine/Latvia/Norway/Belarus/France Italy

32 points in 40 games against everyone else

~Stud~

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#9 DSF
July 24 2012, 11:13PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Anyone suggesting a Klefbom trade should be suspended from this site for a week.

The guy has franchise potential.

No he doesn't.

Franchise defensemen normally jump right into the NHL within a year after they're drafted and have an immediate impact.

Doughty, Weber, Chara, Pronger, and Lidstrom were all impact players (and there are others) by the age of 20.

Hell, even Nik Lidstrom, who played another season in the SEL after being drafted, scored 60 points as an NHL rookie.

Adam Larsson, who is ranked higher as a prospect and had much better numbers in the SEL, only got into 65 games in his rookie season and only 5 in the playoffs.

Klefbom managed all of 3 points in the SEL last season while Larsson scored 17 points when he was a year younger.

Larsson and Hedman are much better young defensemen and it's unlikely either is considered a franchise defenseman at this point.

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#10 French Toast Mafia
July 25 2012, 11:21AM
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DSF, your posts continue to become more nonsensical and off base as the days go by. Not only do you only try to bring up facts that support your opinions you also write things that are just completely untrue.

The people that are saying they think Klefbom has potential to be a star are doing that because since the draft, people have been saying he is progressing well and was a real standout at the Oilers development camp. Saying a player does not have high end potential when you (or almost anyone else on this site)has never seen him play in the SEL is just not smart.

Your comment about franchise defencemen stepping in and being impact players at the age of 20 is wrong. Both Chara and Weber didn't do that at all. Weber played 20 some games his rookie season and didn't have a big year until he was 21.... 3 years after he was drafted, not 1. Chara didn't have an impact season until he was 24 or 25 and had 1 point in 25 games when he was 20 so I have no idea where you were going with that.

In Pronger and Lidstrom your talking about the 2 best defencemen to play in the NHL in the last 20 years so I think your pretty out to lunch to think that anyone that wants to be considered a franchise defenceman needs to dominate at 20 like Pronger Lidstrom and Doughty.

There are far more defensemen who started to be impact/franchise players after the age of 20 (two of which you mentioned in Chara and Weber). Keith, Suter, Boyle, Pietrangelo, and Kronwall are all very very good defensemen... But of course you would have wrote them all off within a year of them being drafted because thats when all the franchise defensemen start to become impact players. If they don't impact within a year of being drafted then they won't be franchise players....

Get a clue.

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#11 Stuck in Calgary
July 24 2012, 12:55PM
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Move to Kansas City or Quebec.

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#12 TigerUnderGlass
July 24 2012, 04:23PM
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The Beaker wrote:

We could resign Barker then trade him for Murray? DONE DEAL #Confirmmed!

He should such just enough for Columbus to be interested. Good call.

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#13 Wanyes bastard child
July 24 2012, 09:17PM
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madjam wrote:

OUT OF CURIOSITY- would you trade Horcoff for Lecavalier straight up ? How about with Khabby thrown in ?

Stevie Y would block your phone number...

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#14 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
July 24 2012, 11:56AM
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If Nikitin is available then I can't see any reason why Tambo wouldn't move Hemsky. But the player I would love to trade for from the Blue Jackets is Dubinsky.

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#15 Reg Dunlop
July 24 2012, 11:59AM
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Move along, nothing here of interest. Columbus is a bottom feeder for a few reasons and their blue-line is one of them. However, Erixon on our blue would throw gas on the old BOA would it not?

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#16 vetinari
July 24 2012, 12:06PM
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Can't see Ryan Murray being available for trade as he's 2 to 3 years away from the show and a likely major piece of his team's future...

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#17 Cody anderson
July 24 2012, 12:21PM
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I am sure as JG suggested that R Murray is almost untouchable and it would be a huge overpay to get him.

If I were GM I would offer Hemsky, 2013 1st round draft choice, and their pick of one of our smaller foward prospects for Murray. I don't think they would look at it, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

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#18 Reg Dunlop
July 24 2012, 12:25PM
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@OvenChicken

Where does Dubinsky fit here? If Gagner stays put Dubinsky would be 3rd on the depth chart. It makes no sense to have 10 million tied up with 3rd and 4th line centres, and I don't see a Gagner/Dubinsky swap being an upgrade.

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#19 HallFever
July 24 2012, 12:38PM
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"Trade Winds"

So you didn't actually have wind for a trade to the Oilers??? Columbus is not currently chatting with the Oilers to brew up a trade? No "wind" there? Hoping "wind" will crop up soon for a top 4 DMAN.

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#20 The Beaker
July 24 2012, 12:39PM
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Ryan Murray just signed his ELC

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#21 vetinari
July 24 2012, 12:43PM
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What Beaker said...

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#22 Mike Krushelnyski
July 24 2012, 12:43PM
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@ Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement

I'll be the FIST to say Rick Nash stays under 70pts this year. Good player, yes, over rated, yes.

Not a chance. Playing with Richards and Gaborik he'll get 40 goals/75 points easy. I agree that he's not necessarily a franchise player but he's phenomenally talented and he's never played with linemates anywhere near that caliber.

I'd definitely trade Hemsky for Nikitin and a 2nd.

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I thought I gave you the idea :(

Honestly though Spec was complaining about guys staying to late last year. You better get him out and about before hand so he can handle it this year.

Nice to see it wasn't all sausage.

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#24 bdiddy18
July 24 2012, 12:51PM
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Spector is going to have upwards of 15 contest winners aka complete strangers on his property. Oh boy - is this the mid life version of the movie Project X ?

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As for the Jackets, how long until they run into more players either making public or private trade demands. They may not want to move a Tyutin, but they might not have the choice.

I don't know what that franchise is going to do.

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#26 Dominolier
July 24 2012, 01:02PM
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According to the established adage, the team that gets the best player usually wins the deal, CBJ lost the trade, but I dont think Howson did that bad for himself.. although anisimov is still establishing himself top 6, dubinsky is a solid pro w some value and, from what you've said, erixon has value as well..

Not awful, based on the circumstances (which I guess was your point, eh gregor).. but even though I think it was a fairly solid deal (if you consider Erixon a blue chipper), the CBJ are boned..

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#27 vetinari
July 24 2012, 01:16PM
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I think Nash will see a bump in production in NYR because they have a couple of good lines to park him on, but really, I see him topping out at about 80 points, max, even with Richards and Gaborik around.

In some ways, Columbus may be better off under the next CBA by getting a number of decent pieces in return from the NYR and having the cap room to pursue others next year.

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#28 madjam
July 24 2012, 01:17PM
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Nash was and still is a franchise player just like Joe Thornton is still a franchise player - don't kid yourselves into thinking otherwise . Columbus now without a bonafide franchise player - Sather creamed him on the deal . Tremendous team Canada player ( one of the best ) that will translate into playoffs next year . Dubinsky for Eager , O'Mark and a second round pick is fair enough value .

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#29 freeze
July 24 2012, 01:34PM
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Good for the Preds!! Hopefully they aren't bankrupt by next year.

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#30 harp
July 24 2012, 01:37PM
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I'd love to get Dubinsky as well, we could use a player with his skill set. He can get 40 points and be physical as well. Gagner can get 40+ points but he is a very one dimensional player.

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#31 billylikestodrinksoda
July 24 2012, 01:43PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"even though Nash isn't a superstar, the Rangers won the deal. The only way the deal will even out is if Tim Erixon turns into a top-two defender, or the late first rounder develops into someone similar to Jordan Eberle."

Deffinitly disagree with this.

Depends how the various players fit in/gel in their new homes, but quite resonable the NYR recieved one 65 point player while the Jackets have 2 45 point players + 2 unknowns.

I'll take two 45 point guys over a 65 point guy any day.

Yeah i agree with you OB1

Even at the low end. Dubinsky 35pts and anisimov 30pts, They provide the offence that Nash brought, plus I think they add defensively as well.

People keep saying Erixon is a so-so prospect too? Why?

Corey Pronman who is a regular on Nation radio thinks Erixon has a higher upside than Ryan Murray.

his numbers are great as well. His first season in the AHL at 21 years old are 52GP 3G 30A 33P (.634 PPG) which are better than Petry's 23 year old AHL numbers.

The trade seems like fair value to me

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#33 Truth
July 24 2012, 01:51PM
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Murray is going nowhere unless the return is much greater than what they just got for Nash. Howson trading their second overall pick and the future of the franchise would surely land his head on a stick unless they get a franchise player in return. Hall, RNH, Yakupov, or Eberle would be a must in the deal if the Oil were involved.

No use even talking about it in my opinion.

That being said, I can see Howson pushing Murray into the lineup for the exact reason mentioned above. Much like the Oilers playing Hall and PRV two years ago. Hopefully this frees up somebody that can be attained cheap. And hopefully Tambellini isn't still asleep.

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#35 TigerUnderGlass
July 24 2012, 02:08PM
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Feel free to delete double post

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#36 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 24 2012, 02:10PM
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@ Jason Gregor

You tell me where I said they are guranteed to be 45 point players, and I'll tell you who they are.

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#37 geoilersgist
July 24 2012, 02:34PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"even though Nash isn't a superstar, the Rangers won the deal. The only way the deal will even out is if Tim Erixon turns into a top-two defender, or the late first rounder develops into someone similar to Jordan Eberle."

Deffinitly disagree with this.

Depends how the various players fit in/gel in their new homes, but quite resonable the NYR recieved one 65 point player while the Jackets have 2 45 point players + 2 unknowns.

I'll take two 45 point guys over a 65 point guy any day.

Thats where you said it

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#38 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 24 2012, 02:37PM
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@ geoilersgist

"quite resonable" doesn't = guaranteed

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#39 billylikestodrinksoda
July 24 2012, 02:45PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@billylikestodrinksoda

Your logic is that two guys in the 2nd line produce as much as one guy on the 1st line and the team is better off?

Huh?

Nash scores 65 points on the first line, and guess what CBJ has Johansen and someone else score 30 each on the 2nd..

Easier to find 2nd line players...

And like I wrote, the only way the trade evens out is if Erixon pans out. Keep in mind Pronman is a prospect guy. They usually overvalue prospects in every organization.

You create more depth. I mean besides Nash who did columbus have last year? Adding 2 guys who equate to about 70 pts in a worst case scenario production wise is just as good, if not better, then the production you will receive from Nash.

Nashville for example gets by every year on having a team with no bonafide stars in their forward group. Instead their team is comprised of almost 4 lines of 2/3 line players.

Look at the Oilers. They had 3 1st line players last year point per game wise in Hall, Nuge, Ebs.

What was one of the Oilers main weaknesses? Scoring depth if that top line was having an off night.

You improve your team with depth. Obviously Nash is the better player but if you don't have any depth to go along with one great player, then struggles are likely to occur IMO.

Well yeah he is a prospect guy. That is why he comes on nation radio, to talk prospects and the draft. But he talks to multiple scouts. It is not just what he thinks. He is easily one of the most logical draft guys out there and bases his opinions on the thoughts of various people in NHL organizations.

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#40 vetinari
July 24 2012, 02:50PM
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Regarding Nash, obviously NYR came out with the best player in this deal but I still think that Columbus has to count cap flexibility as one of the assets that they received in return for Nash. Columbus's top end may have come down but their depth increased after this deal.

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#41 carnivalofchampions
July 24 2012, 03:18PM
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Nash is a stud. He played with a bunch of bums in columbus. Look at his production when playing with good linemates on team canada (oly's or wc's). Sometimes its who you play with.

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#42 Oiler Al
July 24 2012, 03:39PM
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Not saying he isn't a good hockey player, but if my memory serves me right, Nash was the 4 th line center with the 2010 Team Can. in Vancouver.

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#43 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2012, 03:40PM
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@ madjam

Not sure we want to deem Joe Thornton (or Nash for that matter) as "franchise players" - especially when the franchises they have played for, are for all intents and purposes, unsuccessful. Other than being gravy trainers on Team Canada, what have these guys done? To my knowledge all teams on which they have been dubbed "the Franchise" have crashed and burned. They have not won so much as a pie-eating contest at the county fair.

They are good and (at times) very good, but not great hockey players. Nice complimentary players but neither has shown the ability (or more importantly, desire) to carry their teams on their back or sustain a high level of play for any significant length of time..

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#44 The Beaker
July 24 2012, 03:41PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I wasn't excited about spending the #1 overall pick on Murray, but I think I'd pay a good price for him in trade.

Who is our worst defenseman, because that's what it took for LA to get Carter.

We could resign Barker then trade him for Murray? DONE DEAL #Confirmmed!

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#45 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2012, 03:45PM
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@ Oiler Al

Decent numbers at Olympics in 2010 (5 pts in 7 games). Got bumped off Crosby's line early. However, he ended up smelling like a rose as he benefitted from playing with the best player in the tournament (IMO) Jonathan Toews. Again, Nash was OK, but Toews was the straw that stirred that drink.

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#46 billylikestodrinksoda
July 24 2012, 03:57PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

POS and Brule had 70 points in 09-10 combined. Actually 71, would you really take that over Nash?

Two players getting a combined 70-80 points isn't hard to find. They are often on waivers or available mid-summer through free agency.

Daniel Winnik and Kyle Wellwood, 69 points.

Valid point but taken out of context i think.

O sullivan had 17:31 avg TOI and had ample PP time to put up a staggering 34 pts and a -35 +/-, so lets understand how he actually put up numbers first

Brule had less ice time 14:14 but did get PP time throughout the year

The way I see it, i see Rick Nash playing 19:05/ night in CBJ in 11/12

If Lowetide has taught me anything its Reasonable Expectations haha. So with that im assuming....

Next year dubinsky (40 pt)/anisimov (35 pt) with a COMBINED ice time of 32 minutes on avg. per night

Personally, i take the depth and the ice time that would replace Nash. A combined 75 points and an extra 10 minutes a night of resonably good 2/3 liners.

The counter is, that 10-13 extra minutes if Nash stayed are filled by similar guys like umberger and brassard, but then who takes their minutes?

Answer: The lesser players who belong on a 4th line or even in the AHL. Guys like derek dorsett or mark letestu.

You give up a star player for better depth as a team, which in theory leads to higher quality hockey throughout all of the lines. Not just the first 1 or 2.

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#47 BlacqueJacque
July 24 2012, 04:33PM
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Test?

Banned?

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#48 BlacqueJacque
July 24 2012, 04:33PM
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OK if I'm not banned then why aren't my previous two posts showing up?

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#49 michael
July 24 2012, 04:43PM
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Weber stays with Nashville. Amazing. No trade for atleast 1 year.

Columbus should be talking to Edmonton about Ryan Murray.The asking price would be Hemsky,MP and Lander. I would think about it. Columbus has enough dmen. They need some flash and dash upfront. No goaltending and no ability to finish killed them last season.How will Ryan Murray help them this season? He'll see limited time on the ice and PP. The BJ's top 4 are decent. Hoowson does not have 3-4 years to wait to put a winning product on the ice. Dubinsky and Anisimov gives them 2 NHL players now. If Howson was only interested in picks and prospects every team in the league would have calling. He still has to field a team that can win. Hemsky would add offence. Lander and MP would add depth to an organization lacking depth at the forward position. Murray for those 3 would be trade that see's potential trade for a proven top 6 forward and 2 other prospects with potential.

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#50 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2012, 04:58PM
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One thing we've never seen in the same sentence is Ryan Murray and the term franchise player. He's far from untouchable this early into his career. Edmonton wanted Ryan Murray moreso than Yakupov going into that draft but didn't want to deal with the fallout of taking the second best player in the draft first overall.

The Oilers thought they had a deal worked out with Howson leading up to the draft for that second selection. Scott i'm sure still has his eyes on a few players on the Oilers roster. Now that the assets from the Nash deal are known, the Jackets have never been stronger up front as well as on the blueline. Go get him, get him now before it's too late. Show Stu MacGregor his choice is worth following up on.

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