QUESTIONS FOR 12-13 (UPDATE)

Lowetide
July 29 2012 10:12AM

In April, I asked 10 questions about the Edmonton Oilers. Three months later, we have our answers.

 

  1. Who will they take #1 overall? April 15 answer: Nail Yakupov. Actual answer: Nail Yakupov. The lottery gifted Edmonton with the number one overall pick and the club added another elite forward prospect in Yakupov. He's signed, sealed and delivered as an Oiler, and after the prospect camp has already won the hearts of Oiler fans. Best possible result for the Oilers.
  2. Who will coach? April 15 answer:Tom Renney. Actual answer: Ralph Krueger.The summer did not develop as we expected it to in regard to coaching. In April, Brent Sutter was the name (apparently) in play, with Krueger's name being mentioned as a secondary item (as in "the other coaches have to know about their futures, too"). As it turned out, Krueger was a major portion of the story and won the day with his articulate delivery of his vision for the team and inspiring way. I've followed the Oilers since their inception, and don't recall a coaching decision as unlikely while still appearing to be painfully obvious when talking to all of the main players in the transaction. Clearly Ralph Krueger can hold sway in a room and that gift might be a key item to this team's future success.
  3. How will they improve the defense? April 15 answer: Justin Schultz. Since Bob McKenzie mentioned Edmonton as a possible landing spot for soon to be UFA Justin Schultz Oiler fans have been talking about him. Actual Answer: Justin Schultz. I have tried to put into words what this signing represents, but it is difficult to convey the importance. During the glory years of the Oilers, they were able to acquire outstanding additions to the team via the trade route but it always involved giving up picks or players. When Oiler players approached free agency, they were traded for various parts and picks. That is the world we lived in. After the lockout, Edmonton did acquire free agents, but it involved paying a lot of money (Souray, Khabibulin) for gents who had injury issues and the erosion of age. Justin Schultz isn't any of those things. He is a young "perfect fit" for the gifted cluster of forwards and the Oilers won his signature with a lot of other very good clubs vying for it. As much as winning the #1 overall selection was a Godsend, the Schultz signing represents what might be a brand new day and is perhaps the first major sign that the hockey world is taking notice of the build happening in the land of the ice and snow.
  4. If they trade to upgrade D, who will they trade? April 15 answer: Sam Gagner. Actual answer: Incomplete. The Oilers did add Schultz but are not yet done (we hope) in the addition department. It is extremely likely that the team would have to trade a roster defender as part of an improvement, as the team is currently at 8 NHL contracts (Smid-Petry, N Schultz-J Schultz, Whitney-Sutton, Peckham-Potter). We heard rumors of Marc Methot and Mark Streit early in the summer, so there is some evidence of a push to improve.
  5. Will they move Hall to center? April 15 answer: Yes. Actual answer: nothing so far. Jason Gregor and Dennis King both mentioned it in the spring and there is some logic to the plan. However, with Hall's rehab this might not be the season to try it.
  6. Do the Oilers continue the DD-NK tandem or look to improve it? April 15 answer: no. Actual answer: nothing so far. Edmonton's GM Steve Tambellini has stood by Khabibulin all down the line and it doesn't look like there's a lot of action in this area. I do think signing Yann Danis was a wise decision, he posted a strong SP in OKC and should be considered a worthy callup option in case of injury/ineffectiveness.
  7. Will they make a big splash this summer? April 15 answer: No. Actual answer: No, beyond the Schultz signing. The Oilers always have a way of creating excitement around the draft and did it again this season. Signing Schultz was a huge item, but we haven't seen him play yet so it's an idea more than a fact for the fanbase. Ryan Smyth was the big free agent signing, but he's a known quantity and perhaps not the big splash at this point in his career. 
  8. What will the top 2 lines look like in the fall? April 15 answer: RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky and Ryan Smyth. Actual answer: Same, except Sam Gagner is still here so Ryan Smyth is likely 3line. I'm not absolutely certain the Oilers are done here so we may have to do another edition of this 'questions 12-13' in early September. However, as it stands I think we can assume that--based on Krueger's verbal--the club will pair Nuge-Ebs and Gags-Hemmer together and move Hall/Yakupov around to get matchups.
  9. How many of their own unrestricted free agents do the Oilers sign this summer? April 15 answer: Two. Smyth, Petrell.Actual answer: three: Smyth, Petrell, Hordichuk. Edmonton surprised by returning three of their wingers from the group that struggled so badly a year ago. The 4line was a disaster, so we wait for the plan. Hordichuk was a signing that allows the team to have a physical option as needed, but he can also sit. He knows the role.
  10. Which current NHL player on another roster has the best chance of being an Oiler in the fall? April 15 answer: Jason Garrison. Actual answer: nothing so far. Incredibly, the Oilers have a very similar roster now to the one that ended the season. We know Justin Schultz and Nail Yakupov will be here all year, and that the young guns will be a year older. I  think it is reasonable to assume business isn't done.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

 

We're not there yet. That's my belief. However, I also believe that the long, warm days of summer (plus the monsoon season) have obscured the good works done before noon July 1. Yakupov, Justin Schultz and Ryan Smyth should help and I expect we'll eventually see that top 4 defender.

The Nuge will be a year older, Hemsky will be healthy, the defense seemed to rally around the Smid-Petry pairing as the season wore on in 11-12. I'm not suggesting any kind of run with the current roster, but the young hockey players on this team are going to be better. 

That's going to be the story of the 12-13 Edmonton Oilers no matter who they bring in.

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#1 Maddog
July 29 2012, 10:42AM
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I suggest we are already a playoff team personell wise,and this year will be our official re-entry into the perennial playoff team department after a VERY LONG ABSENCE.

I like your analysis,it is clear and concise.

I think it is a good idea to solidify the forward pairings as Krueger has unofficially done--i dont see it changeing top 6 wise for five or six years,and who in the world wouldnt want to rotate hall and yakupov ,WOW.

If we stick with this approach we are gauranteed a chance to provide a full season of consistant 60 min efforts System wise,players respond to the consistancy of their opportunity,and takeing away as much unneeded pressure as possible is the goal,good call so far.

A good question for this year is how many present oiler team and individual records will fall or be equalled before the post season is over.I say ten one answer for each question asked.

we didnt have this kind of talent back in the 80s,no way,no one knows what is going to happen with our group this year,but you can rest assured of one thing,it will be a bigger explosion than we saw in the 80s because there is way more gunpowder in the room now.records will fall,and Names will be Made--new legends have to be born somewhere and what better place than a Hall of Fame incubator like Edmonton..

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#2 eastcoastoil
July 29 2012, 10:51AM
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I still don't see the answer for the left side, Yak likes playing right. LT do you think a healthy Whitney and Nick/Justin will be enough of a addition to the d? Is Klefblom a serious consideration?

Looking at the stats DD is listed as playing in 47 games but only starting 42. Guessing that those additional 5 games were already out of hand. If he is going to get 55-60 starts, with a 500 record last year is that enough?

LT, what would be enough? a playoff push or a run?

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#4 stealthwise
July 29 2012, 10:58AM
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I am very happy about #10. Garrison was massively overpaid for one "good" (33 pts) offensive season with Florida. He's a capable defensive defenseman, but scored 8 of his 16 goals in the first 21 games for Florida last year, and he's not really an upgrade over Nick Schultz or Ladislav Smid, but would have cost a hell of a lot more to bring in. Basically like taking one of those two guys and adding a Kurtis Foster-like slapshot onto them, which isn't worth it to me.

I'd love to see the Oilers sign a guy like Spacek or Scott Hannan for depth, or figure out how much a guy like Rozsival would cost.

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#5 nuge2nail
July 29 2012, 11:04AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I dare to suggest we are a playoff team as well.

This team will have no problems scoring goals. Eberle, Hall, Hopkins will all take a step forward. Yakupov will provide the secondary scoring we have been missing. Hemskys health will be a key for our success this year- if he returns to 70 point form we are set up front.

The defence is not as bad as everyone makes it seem. J Schultz will be a solid #3/#4. N Shultz is highly underated. Petry is primed for a breakout season. Smid has embraced the shut-down role and I think his positioning will be better this year. The key is Ryan Whitneys health, if he is healthy we have a solid defence going into the season.

Dubnyk will be more consistant with a better defence. Whitney|Hemsky stay healthy(maybe im asking for way too much with that statement) but if they do I dare to say we are a playoff team.

I like the idea of adding a Roszival type dman as long as it DOES NOT COST US HEMSKY or GAGNER. We need the depth up front in case of injuries.

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#6 Pouzar99
July 29 2012, 11:16AM
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Picking up a legit second or third pairing D man via trade would help the Oilers this season, no question, but what would we have to give up? Would it make sense to give up a young players such as MP, SG or Teemu H when Klefbom is a year away and others are getting close? No.

Who does that leave that anyone might want? Hemsky, Jones, Peckham, secondary prospects, draft picks. Hrad to justify, especially with Hemsky's value at an all-time low, which could change is he stays healthy and plays well.

Long term the Oilers need to get bigger and more physical, and unlike at D they do not have as many blue chip prospects on the way, apart from Hartikainen. Pitlick and Hamilton may be able to fulfill this roll someday in the bottom six, plus maybe Moroz, but a deal that could snag a genuine top six power forward is the only I can see justifying moving Gagner and-or MP, and it would have to be for a center if SG is involved. A long shot probably but you can bet the ditherer is exploring the territory. The price might be too high but if the Oilers get Bobby Ryan, for example, they might be willing to pay it.

All in all I think the odds are nothing major will happen. You can't force these things. After 2 and a half years I sense the rebuild is entering phase 2, where there is a greater emphasis on success now, despite a continuing reluctance to sacrifice future potential for immediate improvement. Long-term cap management is also a major priority to hold onto the top assesets we have acquired. With the acquisition of J Schultz, defence is no longer a long-term issue. At forward the problem is size and physicality, not skill, and improving there should be the priority. In goal, this should be the year where we find out if Dubnyk is a genuine Number 1, a 50-50 guy, or even just a backup, which will determine what kind of replacement for Khabi is needed. We will definitely be better but to make the playoffs Dubnyk will have to step up big time and we cannot afford a worse than average season in terms of injuries.

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#8 russ99
July 29 2012, 11:26AM
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The kids will be better and Yakupov and Schultz will help.

But until the defense is improved beyond a few retreads and an entry level player and we're still skating out the same failed 3rd and 4th line players to try and stop the other team's best players, we're not a playoff caliber team.

Things may come together with limited setbacks to push us into the 10th-12th spot, but playoffs don't seem possible without some roster moves.

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#9 DonDon
July 29 2012, 11:33AM
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NewAgeSys states:

"you can rest assured of one thing,it will be a bigger explosion than we saw in the 80s because there is way more gunpowder in the room now.records will fall,and Names will be Made--new legends have to be born somewhere and what better place than a Hall of Fame incubator like Edmonton."

Wow! This is really stretching expectations. By adding two rookies (Yakupov and the younger Schultz), albeit we expect them to make the team, and Ralph Krueger as coach, you expect last season's 29th place team to explode? Names will be Made? New legends will be born?

We can hope for improved performances from Eberle, Hall, Nuge and Petry, but the veterans will be older, slower and are already injury-prone, and there is some question in goal. To make the playoffs, the Oilers have to move from last in the conference to 8th or better (up minimum of 7 positions). But miracles do happen, but not so much with ST in charge.

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#10 David S
July 29 2012, 11:40AM
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I think the biggest improvement should come from management's desire to start winning (for real, not a Tamby "we're aiming for the playoffs" smokescreen for a lottery pick tank job).

We all saw countless questionable bench calls last year. I firmly believe Renney took the pipe for the team's acquiring Yakupov. What might have transpired if he had a clear mandate to win?

If Krueger has the green light from the first whistle this year we'll see a whole new way of doing business. Not saying we'll make the playoffs because I still think we're massively overestimating the immediate impact of both Yakupov and Schultz and Hall won't be 100% for a good part of the season (see: Hemsky, Ales) but we'll be in the hunt. That's all you can ask for.

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#11 Tim in Kelowna
July 29 2012, 11:48AM
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There is no excuse for not adding another NHL defensemen before training camp. I will reserve judgement until September, but we NEED another dman that can play 18-20 minutes a night.

I'd love to see the Oil take a run at M. Staal. NYR are stacked on D, perhaps they could use a forward...

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#12 Tim in Kelowna
July 29 2012, 11:48AM
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There is no excuse for not adding another NHL defensemen before training camp. I will reserve judgement until September, but we NEED another dman that can play 18-20 minutes a night.

I'd love to see the Oil take a run at M. Staal. NYR are stacked on D, perhaps they could use a forward...

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#13 Bushed
July 29 2012, 11:53AM
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Agree that the kids will be better, and Kreuger will be a big part of that. I hope he will have the green light from management to focus on player development as a priority(long term goal) vs playoffs, much as we'd all like to see better results in the standings. I'm old enough to remember many long and painful nights watching Messier, Coffey, Lowe and others making tons of mistakes as young players, but developing in the process.

That means young players being allowed a certain amount of latitude to learn from their mistakes, while holding vets to a higher standard.

Renney talked about ice-time as "currency" last year, but I don't think he delivered on the accountability.

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#14 admiralmark
July 29 2012, 12:00PM
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How can people be saying we are a playoff team is beyond me?! We have essentially the same team that finished 29th last year and added Yakupov and Shultz. 2 Rookies and some expected improvement from the young players pushes us from 29th up into a playoff spot?! Thats just crazy. 1) For as much as you can say young players are gonna be better we can also say old guys are slowing down... which they are. I'd say treading water in this area mmmmaybe a slight uptick. 2) Our defence last season was borderline horrendous... how does 1 rookie change that? Can he make it better sure but this defence is still lower half of the league bad. 3) Goaltending Khabby(horrendous) that is all. 4) Probably the biggest problem in the entire "we are gonna make the playoffs with this lineup" theory is INJURIES. I could see that if we had absolutely zero inj's to our top 2 forward and defensive lines that we could get in around a 9-10th place finish in the West. But since when are there "no" injuries? What happens if Smid goes down? The defence is paper thin with no depth and thats where inj's are almost guaranteed to happen. But how bout the Nuge goin down? Inj's happen. And this team isnt built to weather that storm. Playoffs? Nonsense. At least with what Tambi's done so far.

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#15 vetinari
July 29 2012, 12:00PM
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While I'm happy about the additions of Yakupov and Schultz 2.0, isn't this just the same exact team as last year? From management and coaching down to players? Aren't we just hoping for a better result based on another year of growth by the kids?

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#16 Turnover
July 29 2012, 12:26PM
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The answer to question 2, is where I believe we did a HUGH upgrade. Every ship needs a competent skipper that doesn't keep plowing into the wharf. I wonder if Krueger would have replaced Jones with Hemsky on the second line, after Hemsky came back from injury? I think that's when we started to lose consistently.

Signing Dubnyk might be a good move. He showed signs of quality and confidence down the stretch last season.

I understand why the Oilers haven't done many moves. If Whitney is healthy, and with the addition of Schultz, they may have what is needed on defence.

If Krueger puts Horc, Smyth and Jones on the third line, I believe it will be the best 3rd line in the league. And productive.

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#17 DieHard
July 29 2012, 12:41PM
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admiralmark wrote:

How can people be saying we are a playoff team is beyond me?! We have essentially the same team that finished 29th last year and added Yakupov and Shultz. 2 Rookies and some expected improvement from the young players pushes us from 29th up into a playoff spot?! Thats just crazy. 1) For as much as you can say young players are gonna be better we can also say old guys are slowing down... which they are. I'd say treading water in this area mmmmaybe a slight uptick. 2) Our defence last season was borderline horrendous... how does 1 rookie change that? Can he make it better sure but this defence is still lower half of the league bad. 3) Goaltending Khabby(horrendous) that is all. 4) Probably the biggest problem in the entire "we are gonna make the playoffs with this lineup" theory is INJURIES. I could see that if we had absolutely zero inj's to our top 2 forward and defensive lines that we could get in around a 9-10th place finish in the West. But since when are there "no" injuries? What happens if Smid goes down? The defence is paper thin with no depth and thats where inj's are almost guaranteed to happen. But how bout the Nuge goin down? Inj's happen. And this team isnt built to weather that storm. Playoffs? Nonsense. At least with what Tambi's done so far.

I dunno, my glass is "half full" and can't wait for the season to start.

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#18 WhattaMike
July 29 2012, 12:42PM
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I agree with ya LT that I too like our defence to start the season.....pending the health of Whitney.

The options of Petry-Smid, N. Schultz-J. Schultz, Whitney-Sutton (or any combos), with peckham, Potter, Teubert, and/or even Fedun as extras/call-ups is not the worst I have seen in this league.

However, it must be a secret of where He is at health-wise because I have yet to see any type interview with Ryan to ask how he feels right now this summer so far and how his feet/skating are coming along.

Now, if there is to be another top 4 type defenceman added, two Oiler players are going to have to go because nine to ten defencemen in the system with the above extras/options included and with Plante, Klefbom, Musil, Marancin, Gernat, Davidson, Bigos, etc, soon on the way does not make sense.

I say to see what Krueger has in mind to start the year before rushing into a trade that will either fail or disrupt the team.

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#19 DieHard
July 29 2012, 12:44PM
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vetinari wrote:

While I'm happy about the additions of Yakupov and Schultz 2.0, isn't this just the same exact team as last year? From management and coaching down to players? Aren't we just hoping for a better result based on another year of growth by the kids?

Yes, but also new head coach, healthy Whitney (please) and Hemsky. Switchero in goal should help. But still ... YES

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#20 Maggie the Monkey
July 29 2012, 12:58PM
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For what it's worth, I'd rather see UFA RHD Rozsival signed to a one or two year deal to add depth to the back end than see the team give up significant roster players. He had some injury issues last season but has been remarkably durable otherwise throughout his career. His 19.5 minutes/night with solid play on the PK would be a valuable addition, IMO, and would be another reliable player to have out at the end of games to hold a lead.

He might be looking for longer term and more cap space than fits in the the plan, though.

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#21 Sliderule
July 29 2012, 01:06PM
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If we are to make playoffs we need 10 more wins.

I figure Barker bad pinches and falling down as he imitated a pylon cost us three games.

Peckham bad pinches and stupid penalties cost us at least two games.

We will have to make up the other five games with better coaching,good health,Yak and Schultz delivering the goods and internal improvement of the young guns.

Probably too much has to go right.

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#22 I tried it at home
July 29 2012, 01:14PM
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Sorry, I got as far as Selma Hayek, and after that.... something about hockey??

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#23 PutzStew
July 29 2012, 01:16PM
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Decent Blog but I think you're still over valuing Smyth and Hemsky and Edmonton's defense with Smid, Petry, Whitney (healthy), Shultz (x2) and Sutton isn't that bad. it's not top 10 in the NHL but it's not bottom 10 either.

Hemsky should be on this team, never mind the top two lines. He's never shown any chemistry with Hall, Eberle or Gagner. The Only guy that was able to get him going was RNH. Moving Yakopov over to the other wing is a joke. We saw this with Cole how many years ago and look how well it turned out. I'm sick hearing Hemsky just needs good player to play with. Hall and Eberle have been on the team for 2 years and the win-lose record with Hemsky in the line up is worst then when he is there so give it a rest. He does not fit.

As for Smyth. Here hoping he doesn't quit playing have way through the season, again. Signing him for 2 years was a bad signing and making him a focal point if this team is even a worst decision. You Have Hall, Eberle and RNH on this team not to mention Yakapov and Shultz and you focus on a washed up veteran. Give your head a shake. I still haven't heard if he has a NTC in this contract??? Shane Doan might be available and they bend over to Smyth. Seriously who is the more capable hockey player. Smyth was a good hockey player at one time but time but it's time to move on.

So hears my prediction. Hesmky is gonna hinder whom ever he played with ...but hopefully he's gone by then. And the Combination of Smyth, Horcoff and (fill in the blank) on the third line are going to look like juggling circus clown and leak goals,( Side note: David Staples will come up with some stat that proves it isn't their fault and that Gagner's and Sutton's and Peckhams are to blame, even though Gagner and Sutton will be sitting on the bench and Peckham will be in the press box when said error occurs). Smyth and Horcoff will play the hard minutes but if goals are going in regularly, while they are on the ice, they can't be considered good at it, can they.

Addition by subtraction people.

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#24 admiraimark
July 29 2012, 01:26PM
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DieHard wrote:

I dunno, my glass is "half full" and can't wait for the season to start.

Well i can certainly appreciate that and I'm very excited to watch this team this season also. I expect them to be exciting if nothing else..I just think when it comes to playoffs I think we just need 1 more top 4 D to help weather the INJ storm and account for the fact that absolutely everything is not gonna go right this year. But I do expect great improvement for sure somewhere in the 10-15pts range with a 10th-12th finish in the Conference. Despite what some might think that would be a huge improvement especially considering all thats changed is adding 2 Rook's to the lineup.

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#25 Pouzar99
July 29 2012, 01:38PM
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LT - Would I say yes to 2013 first pick, Musil and Peckham for a top 4 D man? Maybe. It would depend on the player we were getting. First off he would have to be relatively young, a player who could be here long term.

Are you thinking of someone like Yandle or Tyutin? That would definitely be worth considering, although I would prefer giving up Gernat to Musil, who I see as a future, physical shutdown defender. My standard is that the deal has to make sense both short term and long term and yes I can imagine such a deal working, although the odds are we won't find the right fit this off season and you can't force this kind of move by settling for someone who isn't at least a very solid Top 4 of the right age range.

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#26 Quicksilver ballet
July 29 2012, 01:55PM
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This current state can't last forever, can it?

Till management somehow shows a commitment to winning, hope is all we're being served at this point.

Eat what's on your plate, or there's no pie (playoffs) for you silly fan.

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#28 harp
July 29 2012, 02:17PM
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I think the D is fine but this team badly needs a Scott Hartnell up front.

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#29 French Toast Mafia
July 29 2012, 02:49PM
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Maddog wrote:

I suggest we are already a playoff team personell wise,and this year will be our official re-entry into the perennial playoff team department after a VERY LONG ABSENCE.

I like your analysis,it is clear and concise.

I think it is a good idea to solidify the forward pairings as Krueger has unofficially done--i dont see it changeing top 6 wise for five or six years,and who in the world wouldnt want to rotate hall and yakupov ,WOW.

If we stick with this approach we are gauranteed a chance to provide a full season of consistant 60 min efforts System wise,players respond to the consistancy of their opportunity,and takeing away as much unneeded pressure as possible is the goal,good call so far.

A good question for this year is how many present oiler team and individual records will fall or be equalled before the post season is over.I say ten one answer for each question asked.

we didnt have this kind of talent back in the 80s,no way,no one knows what is going to happen with our group this year,but you can rest assured of one thing,it will be a bigger explosion than we saw in the 80s because there is way more gunpowder in the room now.records will fall,and Names will be Made--new legends have to be born somewhere and what better place than a Hall of Fame incubator like Edmonton..

Did you just suggest that a team that finished 30, 30, and 29 in the league has more talent upfront then the 1980s oilers which could arguably be the best team of all time?

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#30 Reg Dunlop
July 29 2012, 03:26PM
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It would appear that 9 or 10 extra wins will be needed to reach 8th place. These wins need to come from not only the oil improving its talent level(which it has) but improving in relation to the 7 teams they must leapfrog in the standings. I think they will overtake the flames, the avs, the ducks, the wild and the wings(overdue for a fall from grace of Biblical proportions). They probably will improve by 15 pts. or so yet fall short of 8th place. We are moving in the right direction and momentum will start to build this winter.

Defence, goaltending and team toughness are the most commonly noted weaknesses on the oil. The emergence of DD, Petry and Smid leave the true weakness here: the absence of NHL calibre 3rd and 4th lines. The oil have the best young group in the league AND the worst veteran group. When Horc, Blancmanger, Petrell, Jones, Smyth and Eager are replaced we will compete for the cup.

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#31 RMGS
July 29 2012, 04:35PM
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I understand how the years of wandering in the desert can lead to illusions, but those projecting the playoffs for our glorious team are setting themselves up for disappointment. The team is frighteningly similar to the one that finished second-last, and so far the only major changes are the introduction of two rookies and addition by subtraction (i.e. Barker). Here's another bucket of cold water: the team is an injury away from relying on Khabibulin to stop pucks.

Yes, the kids will have another year under their belt, and I'm looking forward to watching their magic. But to expect enough magic to lead to the playoffs is to drink a half glass full of Kool-Aid.

Let's go Oilers, let's go!!

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#32 Quicksilver ballet
July 29 2012, 04:59PM
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Never realized Nugent-Hopkins mania made it all the way down to Vegas already.

Anyone ever been to that Golden Nugge palace yet? [in the first picture]

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#34 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 29 2012, 05:13PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Did you just suggest that a team that finished 30, 30, and 29 in the league has more talent upfront then the 1980s oilers which could arguably be the best team of all time?

1 to many bacon covered corn dogs at k-days for that poor basturd i think. broke his brain

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#35 Oiler Al
July 29 2012, 06:29PM
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Your going to start a rookie, kid at that, on this off wing[ Yak] dumb idea. If you move anyone should be Hemsky..80% of the time he circles to the left side when he enters the zone. He's a veteran at least.Might try side one timers being RH shot. This roster is not ready for a couple of injuries.The plan for backup is not there. Oh, forgot, we have Eager, and Petral... WOW.

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#37 Spartacus
July 29 2012, 07:08PM
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@ nuge2nail

Hey, I'd really like to read your posts, but I can't get past your catch phrase: Oiler Domination to Follow.

It's stupid.

Please stop.

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#38 G Money
July 29 2012, 07:17PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Love that photo. The Golden Nugge Gambling Hall! What the hell kind of sign has two of the impact kids on it decades before they're born?

What are the odds?

Lowetide, you have no idea just how prophetic this picture is.

Look at the "Lucky Strike" cleverly juxtaposed next to BINGO. Clearly that is spelling out "YEG".

Or about SKAGGS, which is really just a clever disguise for GAGS. Come on.

Or how about the UNDISPUTABLE FACT that "Fremont Carnival Room Cocktails Hotel Parking" embeds BOTH "Nail" and "Hartikainen". Check it. 100% true.

If I look long enough at this picture, I'm sure I'll find Jordan and Magnus in there. GOTS TO BE.

I don't know where this picture came from, but I do believe I've found my next religion.

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#39 Walter Sobchak
July 29 2012, 09:02PM
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I still think its one more year of lottery position, not being negative just think that its is part of the process of the rebuild.

Like Reg mentioned, we are still pretty soft, we lack a true top pairing defensemen and there are a lot of “ifs” built in there.

If Dubnyk can be consistent, if the growing pains of Schultz are not to bad,

If Yakupov can jump in and be an offensive dynamo and responsible defensively,

If Whitney is as healthy as he is going to get

If Hemsky can get back to something that resembles the player he once was.

If Belanger can regain some confidence, If Paarjvi can regain his confidence, and so on.

22 points is what the Oilers will need according to last year to be an 8th place team, not to mention jump teams that have gotten better this summer.

One more year of a borderline lottery team is not such a bad thing; this years draft is going to be a good one. Then the Oilers have an abundance of players they can start to deal to bring in the players they truly need.

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#40 Ashley Raabis
July 29 2012, 11:07PM
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I think everyone is forgetting that the Oil had the best def record for the first 6weeks of the season last year, then injuries took their toll and they lost at least 3 of their top four d for the next 3months. Now I'm not saying that they would have finished the season that way as khabby was standing on his head but the point is that I don't think they are as bad as their stats would indicate from last year. If they can stay a little more healthy and with the addition of the 2 Schultz's and hopefully a healthy Whitney they don't look to bad especially if smid and petry can play at the level they did last year. I like Sutton and Peckam as 6-7 playing limited minutes for their toughness. Now if there is an opportunity to upgrade without making a stupid deal then by all means do it but I don't think things are as bleak as many of the posts here make it sound. On another note I like the idea of bowmeester as a top 4 addition - he's stable, durable and eats a lot of minutes. He would also be a good replacement for Whitney if he doesnt return to form and isn't resigned next year. If Whitney does get back to form then you have at least 3 proven top 4d with Whitney, N. Schultz and Bowmeester. Petry or the younger Schultz will hopefully round out the top four...

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#41 pelhem grenville
July 30 2012, 06:23AM
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love that picture too... especially it being the Freemont Street i used to love back in the day and yes well before any of those super kids were even thought of AND ! ...When it didn't have a roof on it ...

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#42 pelhem grenville
July 30 2012, 06:26AM
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...not sure but when i look at the "showgirl" Selma Hayek pic? my fear of snakes just disappears...thanks LT...I mean Doctor LT

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#43 pelhem grenville
July 30 2012, 06:32AM
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...my wish is that Whitney is healthy cuz he's our best Dman...my worst nightmare is that he, like so many other 'former elite althetes' is on his way out to pasture...our GM has done little to nothing (albeit we have a college ice hockey player signed)to shore up what will certainly be a leaky blue...

GET ANOTHER TOP$DMAN DAMMIT!!!

that's yelled because our dithering GM is deaf dumb and blind...geeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#44 madjam
July 30 2012, 08:30AM
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PERCEPTION . I see our club quite differently than most of you i suppose . Our veterans are still low team on the totem pole , and thus unlikely to get us anyway forward again this season . Only our youth is going to move us forward thanks to Tams and company doing less than adequate job of forming us a base . I FORSEE MANY YOUTH MAKING OUR SQUAD THIS YEAR , rather than bringing in anymore reclamation product ! Develop our youth and live with what that brings , rather than wasting positions on acquisitions which are basically fill in . Veterans failed us last year and will continue to do so - it's up to the draftees !

WE GO WITH OUR DRAFTEES , the only thing that we are excelling at !

MAKING THE GRADE : Paajarvi , Schultz , Yakupov , Klefbom , Musil or Marincin , Zharkov , Martindale , Hartekainen . Power play, if kid pans out , might include a darkhorse like Lallegaia . We are going to be a three line offence jugernaut anchored by only one defensive line , at least for this year . We simply do not have the personnel to run two shutdown lines of respectability with our makeup . If we do , then 29-30th spot we will inevitably hit anyways .

Have no faith in Tams (understandably ) acquiring a decent base anyway else other than handing it over to our last 3 years draftees .

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#45 NewAgeSys
July 30 2012, 09:40AM
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I am saying that I watched ALL the oilers from the very beginning,and i didnt see two thirds of the talent I see here now at the same beginning point of what I believe is another dynasty.

I believe that there is a system of play called the newAge Hockey System that is tailormade for our talent level,and it is designed to negate the experience factor at the NHL level,Rookies can execute 100% within it equally as well for the most part as veterans.

I believe we will play a similar system of offense ,and I believe that our team proved a lot more than they are getting credit for last year.We were in a position to make the playoffs last year,and after our free-fall we were recovering that same rythem and sucess.

This year if the right decisions are made we can start the same and this time make the playoffs and go deep.We will blow some teams out in a serious way this year and i dont believe Mr.Krueger allows his system to STOP functioning properly when he is up two or three goals,he will run at maximum performance for 60mins because he knows his men need to be prepared and to expect that every night as professionals,he needs them to know he doesnt have the option to gear them down

I believe we will win more than ten games with 7 or more goals on the board,we are going to dissect teams with our talent level,its that simple,if krueger decides to play the system I created and developed specificly for the Oilers type of team Moma2s NewAge Hockey System---and it is based off of the way Wayne Gretzky used to operate the 80 powerplay in its entirity the whole system is based off of the dynamics Wayne created then---then we will score 4 or more goals a game and put up 40 plus shots per game,every game night in and night out.That is how Oiler records are equalled and broken.Mr.kreuger has already made reference to my systems core values in the media through his reference to the Oilers 80s PP earlier in the year so unless we were both abducted by the same UFO then he is familiar with my systems data and is planning on integrateing it into his gameplan.

This is the same system LA used from about 25 gms to go right through the playoffs,they won a cup useing this system,and the oilers I believe were also experimenting with it at the same time with about 25 gms to go,in addition our farm team also began integrateing core value components into their hybrid system,the sucess is documented,a Stanley Cup,A trip to the final series for the farm team,and the beginnings of a strong turnaround by the Oilers to close the year.And the best part is that nobody seems to be able to explain the sucess of any of these teams in a clear and concise manner,but i can because they utilised my system i created and offered to them in cyber-space via the internet.

The media asked Renney many many times last year to explain the Jeckyl and Hyde results we were getting in a consistantly identifiable manner,in other words---what system are you playing when we blow teams out for four or five in a row and why change it when it is working??All through the playoffs TV analysts were questioning the way LA has changed its game and was seemingly unstoppable,they managed to correctly identify the point when the sucess started,with about 25 games to go,but not the catalyst,which was my NewAge Hockey System data I provided on-line.This is fact.

If we use this system and execute it completely we will see records broken this year,the offense is that potent,it is a possesion/transition type of game that focuses 100% on offense for 60mins.It is the Purest offensive system available in the NHL today and few teams can maximise the systems potential due to a lack of talent depth.I designed the System for the Oilers and its based off the 80s powerplay---so we are perfectly set to maximise its potential now.

I only released the core value components of the base of the system on-line to this point,teams have taken this data and incorporated it into their existing "hybrid"systems and found immediate sucess,because the base of the NewAgeSystem is in form and function "the trap"except its a "trap with a difference"the difference is that you can incorporate substantially more offense into my NewAge Hockey Systems ---"System Check-mate"--than you used to be able to inject into the trap.

This is why LAs games all remained consistant and so did their results.This is why they scored so many"individual effort"type of goals,they were really system induced,they just appeared due to dynamics to be individual efforts.It was a consistant storyline.Put the oppositions "hybrid system"into a NewAge Hockey System "system check-mate"and then exploit their weaknesses as they try to figure out how to generate offense,but unlike the trap which just kills the play my system check-mate has offensive dynamics built into it,you just have to become opportunistic as opposed to forceful.Hence the superman seeming type of goals,in the old trap those wouldnt have happened as we all know.

My point is this,the Oilers have the creator of a new and tailormade Hocky System here on their side,a system that has documented sucess,and is absolutely brand new.I created the NewAge Hockey System for specificly the oilers type of team,and if the Oilers embrace all of my system core value components they will dominate the NHL this year,i dont mean compete either I mean dominate.This type of offensive generation has never been witnessed 5 on 5 EVER,because no team has ever utilised my new and dynamic system,the newAge Hockey System until the oilers and their farmteam experimented and until LA used it to win a cup.

So yes,I think we have more talent up front than in the 80s and i think we have a better and even more offensively dynamic system available to execute than the old Oilers had,i also believe that these great records will never be broken until a team embraces a new and even more dynamic system of play than the Oilers themselves used,and I decided to create from their greatness an even bigger greatness,it is called the NewAge Hockey system and it is tailor made for the Oilers.

I have been flogging this system for several years and it is finally catching on,and I dont hide so I am available to discuss the system here any time,or on some other forum.

I believe we all focus to much on talent--with the NewAge Hockey System variants an average talented team can generate serious offense.I designed the system to do this in order that teams start to abandon the "hybrids"they are playing today,it generates more offensive exciteing hocky and sacrifices nothing,and the best part is that I released limited system data,just enough to lear to initiate a system check-mate and then flounder to find offense,I reserved the majority of my system data for just the Oilers,in essence I set a Trojan Horse by initiateing a fundamental change that first brings NHL teams out of their "hybrid"systems lureing them with more attainable offense,and then when they are seemingly closer to our talent laden team in terms of ability to seemingly generate good offense,they will run into the Oilers who will be executeing the NewAge Hockey System in its entirity incorporateing ALL core value components,and we will have intimate knowledge of how the opposition is executeing their adjusted hybrid systems because the adjustments will come from their integration of our "system base'into their hybrid systems,we will be playing the complete system from which their own system were created.

For the record Jarret Stoll was the conduit of the newAge Hockey system data to the LA Kings team,and he ran with the data with someones full support,had I released more critical system data on-line the kings would have already been incorporateing it.Just watch Sutter face when he is asked what changes he made to turn the team around and into a Stanly Cup Winner??He doesnt have a complete answer because I am the answer,the newAge Hockey System data is the answer,it was sutters willingness to listen to someone and incorporate adjustments via my data that set his team off,just like our farm team was set off,and just like we were beginning to look as the year closed out,for cripes sakes we were turning it around completely in a lost season!!at the end of it of all times.

I firmly say we will see records fall and be an early playoff lock if we play our cards right,it isnt talent that wins championships it is a winning system supported by talent.

The only thing new so far this year is Mr.krueger so only time will tell if he has prepared this type of dynamic system for the Oilers,I hope he has,and am willing to support him with my own NewAge Hockey System data any time.

Sam Gagner will be the best example of the results of the newAge Hockey Systems unique phylosophys.The 8 pt night was no fluke at all,and each game where we executed a version of the Newage Hockey System his play jumped significantly as did the entire teams.

Some players have begun to incorporate core value components of my new system into their individual games,positive results are like magnetic attraction,sucess breeds sucess.As a result of solid exposure to this data for two years many players are already prepped to learn the complete system core value components.

The newage Hockey System dramaticly reduces the amount of input player are required to manufacture out on the ice,the system clearly takes most decision makeing power away from them and allows them to play reactively,not actively,in other words they dont actively try to force their system down your throat,they focus on offense and when you push back to defend they become REACTIVE and step it up a gear.The newage Hockey System is all out 60mins of offense.They dont actively try to beat the goaltender with a shot,they shoot reactively where there is no goaltender,they remove the goaltender from the equation,didnt you watch LA take apart Brodeur?That is until i went on-line and sent data to the Devils and gave em data that stopped LA from working the low post toe save rebound on him,actually they were trying it from both sides with lethal effect,till the Devils took away the shot from the top of the circle that was the catalyst,LA smoked every team useing this simple core value play. Actually i contacted three opponents of LAs this past year dureing the playoffs and showed them all how to put LA into a system check-mate--IT WAS WORKING FOR EVERYONE--some just learned faster and a couple almost had it turned around,it was part of establishing a groundroots change away from the "hybrid"systems--the Trojan Horse.

Records will be broken and names will be made this year if we open up with all of our assets,It should be a great year.4 goals per game is the average,we are uber-talented so its anyones guess how many we will get through the entire year.i am sticking by ten 7 goal games at least,because even if no one listens to the NewAge Hockey System to start with,they will like last year after we free-fall,so based on that scenario I say ten 7 goal games------if we start off the season gunning for bear you can up the number of games to fifteen or more.

I know its a brash and outlandish way of looking at the year,and it defies all convention,but thats what winning is,it isnt realistic at all.You must manifest and will victory,and it all starts when you verbalise or write a thought ,then communicate it to someone and so on and so on.I will also say I think the Safeway 5 goal million dollar prize will be handed out this year,as I believe Sam Gagners 8pt night woke up a lot of talented kids to a new reality,they work with a man who put up 8pts in 60mins of hockey,they have a bar to reach and I think one of them will do it this year,and that is the craziest thing i could ever say,8pt games two years in a row???Impossible right???Hall looked more hungry than amazed,my moneys on him.

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#46 madjam
July 30 2012, 11:12AM
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NEWAGE: There will not be many big results scorewise until the talent plays proficiently at the "take away"o"turnove" game as in football . Thats an integral part of offence often disguised or referred to as defence . Special teams are good at that , and is an area that we are still learning and not proficient at in comparison to other clubs . That is why a possesssion game is hard to enact with a young skilled team - it takes time to envelop a total team concept and positioning to envolk a possession game on complete ice surface . With any luck and good coaching accompanied with results success - we could surprise this year . For now , however , we still dwell near the bottom till team game gets further developed . It could be soon as this year , or it might never develop over next few years . Everything is relative to the times we play in and the speed at which teams can adapt , which is much faster than it used to be to be honest .

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