RNH: DOUG WEIGHT 2.0?

Robin Brownlee
August 12 2012 11:15AM

The Edmonton Oilers haven't had a player break the 80-point plateau since Doug Weight did it in 2000-01. The way I see it, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, who was eight years old when Weight accomplished the feat, will be the next – likely this coming season, the CBA willing.

It's been 11 seasons since Weight tallied 25-65-90 and the Oilers haven't had a player bump past the 80-point mark since then, although Jordan Eberle took a good run at it with 76 points last season and Ales Hemsky, who has breached the 70-point mark three times, had 77 in 2005-06.

While Eberle and Taylor Hall (if he can cut down on the number of headers he takes into the boards) are obviously candidates to join the 80-point club, I see Nugent-Hopkins, who had 18-34-52 in 62 games as a rookie in 2011-12, as the likeliest to achieve it first.

Nugent-Hopkins, 19, reminds me more than a little bit of Weight in terms of substance and style – he's smart, he's quick and shifty on his skates without possessing blazing top-end speed, he has excellent vision and anticipation and has a knack of putting the puck where his wingers can do something with it. And there's the number thing -- 39 and 93. If Weight is a distant memory for you, here's a video refresher

Those qualities aside, Nugent-Hopkins goes into 2012-13 with more firepower around him – Hall, Eberle, Hemsky and Nail Yakupov -- on the power play and as potential linemates than Weight ever enjoyed during his distinguished tenure wearing the oil drop.

WHAT'S REASONABLE?

In pegging Nugent-Hopkins for 80 points, I'm not talking about "Reasonable Expectations," as defined in the series Lowetide provides ON readers. That's a different measure – more of a bottom line. I'm talking about my expectations for the coming season – the top-end of what I believe Nugent-Hopkins is capable of as this point in his career.

I'm not using spreadsheets and a whole bunch (any) advanced statistical analysis here. The Bronte 5000, a Commodore 64 in the context of today's technology, is simply not capable of processing it.

In simple terms, if you project the 18-34-52 numbers Nugent-Hopkins produced in 62 games as a rookie -- .29 GPG, .55 APG and .84 PPG – straight across over 82 games, you get 24-45-69. Hey, Brownlee, that's not 80 . . .

Of course, it's not as simple as that and this is where my head begins to hurt – what about ice time, power play time, linemates, quality of competition, zone starts and all that other stuff (that goes into making an educated guess)? Insert sound of my brain flipping inside my skull here.

MY BOTTOM LINE

. . . While Nugent-Hopkins won't get as many protected minutes as he did from Tom Renney last season, he will certainly play more than the 17:36 he averaged last season as the clear-cut No.1 center right out of the gate under Ralph Krueger.

. . . I don't see anything unsustainable in the 13.4 shooting percentage had last season. It's not so high (Eberle was at 18.9) a marked drop-off seems likely and not so low that I see huge room for improvement.

. . . I think the Oilers will score more goals than the 212 (including shootout wins) they had last season. How many more? If a much-improved power play can stay in the top-10, I don't think 235-240 is unreasonable. RNH will be in on a greater share of those than he was last season.

Numbers aside, I like the way Nugent-Hopkins thinks the game and, like Eberle (and Weight), he has an understated competitive streak that drives him to prove doubters and critics wrong – the SIUTBOHC factor. Remember that fluke fall into the boards that cost him the Calder Trophy? Fuel.

On top of the ability to process the game and the I'll-show-you streak, Nugent-Hopkins is smart. I'm not concerned he won't be able to sneak up on anybody as a sophomore or that his name will be circled on white boards around the league. Yes, opponents have had a season to compile a book on Nugent-Hopkins. The flipside is he's had a year to size them up, as well.

Move over, Douglas. RNH is on the way. I'd bet sooner than later.

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#1 Robin Brownlee
August 12 2012, 08:47PM
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@NewAgeSys

Please provide us with more detail about the system you touched on.

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#2 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 13 2012, 12:53PM
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Some weird, weird dudes on the internet.

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#3 Archaeologuy
August 14 2012, 08:51AM
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I invented a Banana peeler once. Turns out people wouldnt buy it because "their own freakin hands" seemed to be working just fine for them.

They had no respect for my New Peel System. It revolutionizes the peeling of Bananas by unlocking the untapped potential of the colour spectrum and its positive energy fliud like movements THAT WE ALL USE INTUITIVELY.

I am no ordinary inventor, I dont ask, "What do we need?" or "How can I change lives?" Instead, I ask "How can I peel this G#d-D@mned Banana without getting my fingers ooky from the under side of the peel?" Well the New Peel System will do just that. It requires only the NPS tool...and a Banana. I've shown this tool to monkeys at the zoo and within minutes they Peeled more bananas than previous, just CHECK THE DATA. The zookeepers couldnt explain it but put any one of those smoking monkeys on a POLYGRAPH and they will spill the beans faster than you can Peel a Banana, WHICH WILL BE LIGHTNING FAST with the New Peel System.

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#4 a lg dubl dubl
August 12 2012, 11:25AM
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Im hoping the Oilers retire Weights #. Sure he didn't get us the cup in his time here, but he was one h3ll of a leader, played his heart out and lead the team in points for a number of years. Last but not least he wore the logo with PRIDE.

RETIRE WEIGHTS 39 TO THE RAFTERS!!!!!

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#5 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 06:25PM
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@NewAgeSys

So... do you have a real name or something tangible that you can provide for us curious types that we can google to research your claims or are we all just supposed to believe in the words of some random internet guy on a blog?

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#6 TigerUnderGlass
August 14 2012, 10:55AM
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to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

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#7 MVParkerknox
August 12 2012, 12:28PM
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Agreed...he will be the too dog as far as points go this year. Also any way you can find out what MY corsi numbers would project at the NHL level? I once scored 15 goals in bantam house league back in 1994...all arrows were pointing up.

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#8 AutoOiler
August 12 2012, 07:50PM
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You Sir have made me very drunk. At the start of your post... around the third NewAge System I decided I would take a drink Of my rum and coke every time you said NewAge System do I wound having 4 rum and cokes. So now I am drunk and angry. Do you know why good sir, well I'll tell yeah. That is what rum does, it makes you drunk and Captian crazy kicks in. You are a liar sir. Everyone knows Stoll can't read. It was Penner who stole your system.'or Green.

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#9 Halfwise
August 12 2012, 08:42PM
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Had the N.A.S. been described in 3 paragraphs I might have been interested. Instead I am just offended. Don't come back, whoever you are.

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#10 TigerUnderGlass
August 13 2012, 01:03PM
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Close call. I almost started to read that.

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#11 BurkeTheTurd
August 13 2012, 01:13PM
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I can't imagine how good he is at creating a play in NHL 2012 on playstation.

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#12 Robin Brownlee
August 13 2012, 05:45PM
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All that's missing here is the one time only offer of 10 CDs for three easy payments of $299.95 plus a nominal fee ($1,599) for shipping.

Who's the friggin' crap-for-brains knucklehead who asked this kook for more details?

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#13 vetinari
August 12 2012, 12:19PM
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RNH thinks the game at such a superior level and does have a lot of Weight-like qualities to him. I love the statistical articles other contributors have authored, however, I think that sometimes they miss the intangibles. Most careers go in arcs and are influenced by things such as coaches, line mates, injuries and personal matters (such as marriages, divorces, births, deaths, etc.) going on during a player's season. These all affect a player's potential. As for RNH, I will do ya one better: I predict he'll be our best shot at the next 100 point player on our team. He's smart, plays centre (most likely to get a touch on the puck), and is going to have some killer line mates for the next three seasons or more... all ingredients for a Sakic-like season.

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#14 The Soup Fascist
August 12 2012, 08:21PM
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The New Age System must be like the Flames "system". Bore the other team into submission. Very effective.

Dude seriously, 35 paragraphs. I have a blister on my scrolling thumb.

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#15 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 02:54PM
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@NewAgeSys

You know Newage, i'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for you. How much time must've been wasted on this venture.

How is it possible to implement a broadbased system like you've dreamed up here when every players reflex/reactions/instincts will be different? Where does a team forced to use contractually obligated players sit in regards to strengths and weaknesses fall in all this, a team without a No.1 or 2 blueliner, a team with questionable goaltending, a team where the top 6 is a work in progress?

Do you have any actual acknowledgement that a pro hockey club has used your system exclusively and been successful with it. Did Daryl Suter send you a Stanley Cup ring as well?

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#17 justDOit
August 12 2012, 11:47AM
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After watching a video of RNH highlights, I think that's a very good comparable - not perfect, but very good.

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#18 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
August 12 2012, 12:05PM
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If RNH is anything like Dougie Weight, I'm going to have 2 all time favorite players by the time the Nuge retires.

God bless #39 - he is/was a deity to me.

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#19 Calvin
August 12 2012, 07:23PM
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Peff wrote:

Hmm... 93 .... 39 you may be onto something

Also: Weight's career with the Oilers began in 1993 - the same year Nuge's life began.

The Force works in mysterious ways...

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#20 Archaeologuy
August 12 2012, 07:26PM
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So that was odd...

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#21 16konst
August 12 2012, 08:03PM
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@NewAgeSys

I must say, listening to your post converted to speech was some of the best entertainment i've had on this site. Also, thanks for this:

"The NewAge Hockey System that I created in my liveing room in Edmonton"

For confirming my immediate suspicion that the "NewAge Hockey System" was throughly tested on a Sega Genesis.

Back to the Weight love-fest.. THough I could name many, my favorite "weight trait" has to be how he was such a deceptive hitter. You didn't know if he was going to dangle you, or put his shoulder/rear end right through you. I see a little of that in the Nuge, in how he really knows how to use his small frame to separate people from the puck. My biggest question about him would be, can he stay healthy for the vast majority of his Oiler career? Something Weight was certainly able to accomplish.

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#22 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 11:02AM
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@the big GRIGowski

All morning I have been using the "3-dimensional visualization" technique, specifically Sofia Vergara in a bikini, showing up at my office with 6 malt beverages on ice.

So far ..... nothin'

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#23 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 11:11AM
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My boss would likely agree with that sentiment.

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#24 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 02:18PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

My belief is that I have created the most dynamic purely offensive system of playing ice hockey ever witnessed by anyone anywhere.And it is original to me.

As for your "borrowing" comments designed to subtely undermine the uniqueness and originality of my Systems dynamics,please think of it this way,I havent claimed an ability to pull majic hockey plays no one has seen before out of my tophat,ok,nice try.

Put three identical piles of ingredients on a table and ask three people to execute the same recipie under the same conditions and see what three results you end up with,you will have three very different sets of cookies my friend,because all three people will interpret the recipie and express that through their actions differently while at the same time try to reach an identical outcome.

The ingredients are equivilant to the "common hockey plays"the methodology and machinations behind the rest of the process preceding the tastetest or the result are MINE and MINE alone,and this set of uniquely initiated situational dynamics expressed in a timely chronological order and then repeated means that MY NewAge hockey System is being initiated.

So yes in fact I have created and presented a NewAge Hockey System that has already been used to win a Cup by the LA Kings in its first year of release,tack on the Oilers farm teams paralell sucess as well,I dont have time to prove it now,but later.

I do believe i have in fact re-invented 5 on 5 hockey,and the differences are so profound on a fundamental level that they cannot be denied as being new and original to the NewAge Hockey System.

This is a little more than tweaking it is more like a Purple Nurple to traditional hockey in almost every way.

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#25 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 04:21PM
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@NewAgeSys

OK I will play along, New Age Sys. Here is a simple question. The Oilers appear they will have a top 6 comprised mainly of smallish, inexperienced but skilled forwards. Under NewAge Sys (shouldn't there be a trademark icon after that?), how would you deploy them for maximum effectiveness without getting squashed like bugs by the brutal top D's and bigger forward they will be facing?

Now the challenge, should you choose to accept it Mr. Phelps, is the following:

a) Your answer cannot include trading for Lucic, Couturier, Backes, et al b) PLEASE, keep the answer less than 500 words. Honestly, I have the attention span of a ...... sorry what were we talking about?

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#26 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 10:18PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Oops, my bad Soupy.

Appears to be a lot of hot air. Last time i checked the Oilers failed miserably against the Kings the last two times they played last season. Even with this all too important newage system locked down, apparently stolen from NHS and implemented, the Oilers still got blasted 4-1 and 2-1. Who the heck can we blame for that systems failure!

I think the word i used was the data was scalped off of the Oilers site by LA where I had posted it specificly for the Oilers.

I freely gave the data online to the Oilers as I created the system for the team,and wanted to share it.So it was given to the Oilers,at least what I released then was given,because the data was on an open forum and the Oilers wouldnt hire me to get the data off-line as I suggested I was forced to keep posting data in public to keep it streaming out.

It was through this dynamic that Jarret Stoll either of his own accord or by someones direction tuned in soaked up my data--he is quick study--and then went straight to Sutter and with 25 gms to go they immediatly began a seriousattempt to integrte NHS core values ito their hybrid system.

I say Jarret because he was the first King to clearly be useing NHS tactics at the mark of 25 gms left.I pinpointed him IMMEDIATLY the first time he engineered anNHS style zone transition.Then the Kings really worked the NHS into their hybrid executeing accurately and adjusting well.Right to the cup no team{without my intervention and provision of NHS data}was able to turn LAs adjusted NHS/hybrid at the gates.

And I was asking you to look at the GAME not the score,I want you to look at the zone transitions and the style of play both teams are useing,break down each offensive transition zone by zone and analyse them and look for commonalities between both the Oilers and Kings systems games and then those games similarity to EVERY game right through to the cup for the Kings.You need to also consider how both teams were playing systemwise ten games before the point where they began to use the NHS.You need a clear point of reference for the changes evolution so you need to do more video watching of prior games the opponents dont matter just how LA and the Oilers execute their hybrid systems without NHS input.we need a baseline.Then we can accurately analyse the games I originally directed you to.

I remember those two games tell us how the winning goals were scored in those games?Were the LA goals system induced or were they one-man hero type goals,individual efforts so to speak??Then remember how they were finishing games consistantly through the entire playoffs??See a commonality there?And remember as the NHS creator I only released partial system data on-line ,non-critiacal stuff I could easily integrate into the hybdid system without breaking anything down and complicateing the adjustment I tried to keep it simple and seamless.I protected the Oilers interest or potential interest in the NHS by holding back the bulk of my system data that is critical.So you see I NEVER showed the Oilers or LA online how to integrate consistant and effective offence into an adjusted hybrids system check-mate.I just showed how to jazz up a hybrids offense without sacrificeing any defence,and how to use that adjusted hybrid to initiate a system check-mate or a full rink trap.Not really pure NHS at all .just core value concepts of NHS added to a conventional hybrid system.

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#27 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 11:18PM
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@2:00 AM

I asked the Oilers to take the iniative and contact me so many times it contributed to my being banned from their website ,I didnt expect a sudden acceptance,remember I had to raise a lot of Cain with management as an anonymous poster and at the same time keep the posts filled with NHS system data so players could read it and acess it,I was and am now well aware that contrary to the Oilers website Moderators repeated claims to the fans there Oilers players and Management do in fact visit the website,because it is nutty to suggest that none of them EVER without a doubt ever acess this cyber-resource.

I didnt expect a professional team to just jump up and endorse me without seeing positive results first,but I didnt expect to be sandbagged by a video coach or someone in the chain of data relay to the bench,obviously my NHS data was being implemented on the ice but no one was willing to officially validate me as the source in any way shape or form.This didnt suppress my NHS system data from getting out there,it just kept a wall up between me and the Oilers bench preventing the coaches from getting all my NHS data at once as I wanted to do---yet the stream of data I continued to provide continued unabated to the bench and into the Oilers hybrid system adjustments in fact the relay and reaction times from the coaches got faster,but there was still no validation.

My NHS has already been integrated into quite a few hybrid systems,Oilers,LA,and all LAs playoff opponents.So it has been tested and it has already supported a Stanley Cup winning team in the LA Kings.I say thats tested,officially recognised and credited is another story,that would take a team of people and a lot of frank honesty form a lot of hockey profesionals.

I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it.

I am still here promoteing the NHS and anyone who reads enough of my data will have to honestly admit there has never been a system like it ,anywhere.Only the Oilers 80s PP is comparable.But the NHS is a full complete 5 on 5 system.

I have been looking for a team to hire me and give this a go,I have hounded the Oilers on their website for two years.No response there.

Obviously as this systems creator I want to see it produce results,wins,points and more Stanley Cups.I am out here appealing for opportunitys to make this system an NHL benchmark or standard for ten years or more,it is what it is.My expectations were realistic two years ago and in my opinion I have taken leaps and bounds I hadnt anticipated because the internet was much more effective at disseminateing data than I thought it would be.

I am not off course at all.

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#30 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 13 2012, 11:29PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

Can I start a petition for an IP ban?

What? No! Everyone should experience this!

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#32 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 01:36AM
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@NewAgeSys

Three things:

1. Are we being punked? Seriously. If so, utter brilliance my man. Freaking epic.

2. We need evidence. Not, "I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it."

No wonder no one will answer your calls. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't provide a shred of evidence of your system actually working, or it being superior to those of thousands of coaches over the span of decades?

3. Send your data to Mr. Willis or Lowetide (the two major stat geeks on the site). Let them validate it.

I can guarantee that if either of them sees the value and brilliance in it, they will pass it on to exactly the type of people you are trying to impress or, at the very least, blog about your mastery of hockey strategy. They will give you credit for your work. Heck, you might even end up as a regular on NationRadio. Is there a bigger honor than talking with LoweTide every week? I think not.**

And once they've blogged it, you'll have your choice of teams to work for.

Your manifesto could spread so much quicker if the Nation ever updates their site with sharing options. Is this 1998? Is this site hosted by Geocities? Let me check my Netscape bookmarks.

Oh.....c...r......ap.....my.....28....8.....m...o....de...m...

***Maybe Wanye but he's too busy fantasizing about Ebs and Zuch to be bothered.

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#33 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 02:17AM
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The best part of this drama?

Everytiime I refresh I get to see the Nuge.

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#34 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 09:47AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Nothing you've posted here Newage leads us to believe you've reinvented the game.

Can you give us something,a trinkette from your program..... anything, something a little more than, just be the best team getting off the bus that day? With all this psychological mumbo jumbo you've suggested, it's like any beer leaguer could succeed if they use your 12 step program.

Yes,against the outdated "hybrid"system and the NHS adjusted hybrid system I think any minor league team or farm team would easily dominate,the NHS players just need to be of average size and physical abilitys in their sport,the sport as its currently played defines average size.

A team or an individual does not have to subscribe to traditional thinking to become dominant in a competative dynamic,they must manifest or engineer a series of repeated and interconnected dynamic situations ,all of which have the same catalyst and ultimate goal,or direction,the more times you stray from a straight line the higher the odds of a more complicated and long trip to your destination.As a competitor you must be able to identify the shortest most consistantly efficient path to each of this series of situational dynamics you must create,micro-dynamics is what they are called within the NHS.And they are a critical tactical core value of any offensive system.There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning.

I didnt re-invent hockey,I invented a new and dynamic offensively catalysed system of playing ice-hockey,a system unlike any other.

The mumbo jumbo is also known as winning attitude.

Tell me what you think of the NHS give me your analysis,because without questions you cannot learn how the NHS functions.Give me a scenario,something tangible to base an answer on.To learn you need to give me a way to validate the systems tactics and philosophys by challenging the system techniclly,or dynamicly.

I already know that your perspective will come from a "hybrid"system perspective,because that is the system most NHL teams play.

Question something specific,vauge claims of system inefficiency or other negativities are meaningless until there is a challenge that exposes core structure and function.

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#35 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 10:43AM
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@NewAgeSys

"There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning."

Sorry NewAgeSys but I'm clearly not intelligent enough to know what this means. Can you please be more specific and dumb it down a little for me? How do NHS players manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning using micro-dynamics?

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#36 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:06AM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

Three things:

1. Are we being punked? Seriously. If so, utter brilliance my man. Freaking epic.

2. We need evidence. Not, "I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it."

No wonder no one will answer your calls. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't provide a shred of evidence of your system actually working, or it being superior to those of thousands of coaches over the span of decades?

3. Send your data to Mr. Willis or Lowetide (the two major stat geeks on the site). Let them validate it.

I can guarantee that if either of them sees the value and brilliance in it, they will pass it on to exactly the type of people you are trying to impress or, at the very least, blog about your mastery of hockey strategy. They will give you credit for your work. Heck, you might even end up as a regular on NationRadio. Is there a bigger honor than talking with LoweTide every week? I think not.**

And once they've blogged it, you'll have your choice of teams to work for.

Your manifesto could spread so much quicker if the Nation ever updates their site with sharing options. Is this 1998? Is this site hosted by Geocities? Let me check my Netscape bookmarks.

Oh.....c...r......ap.....my.....28....8.....m...o....de...m...

***Maybe Wanye but he's too busy fantasizing about Ebs and Zuch to be bothered.

Thank you for the direction,as a matter of fact that is the type of spot I was hopeing to find.

I understand the absurdity of this dynamic,but then again have you ever seen video of Spud Web dunking a basketball?

I watch Americas Got Talent sometimes and am blow away,almost every show there is someone who is better at their trade than most professionals out there,real gems,that produce superior results with very little support system.

I never even played organised ice-hockey,in my life.

I couldnt coach my way out of a wet paper bag,not on my own,I dont have the knowledge base,or personal experience,thats not what I can do,all I need is an existing communication network and acess to the coaches,then I can show a team how to dominate useing the NHS,the system requires all the ingredients I cannot provide,and once its taught its taught,but I need ALL the people in their regulars spots working full out of their own accord as usual.

I have said in the past I could use the Farm team playing the NHS to defeat the Oilers regular NHL lineup in a 7 gm series,in 4 gms,but I always say WITH their coaches and communication system in place as it is.I am an adjuster--I do not have the qualifications to deal in anything more technical than dynamics,this is admitted fact--but none of these shortcomeings I apparently carry seem to have an impact on the system I created or the results it can put a team in a position to achieve.

And no I am not Punking you,ha ha ha.Epic mad brilliance??No way,just the way I see things, put it this way,I think soccer games should always be 8-5,every game,its IMHO impossible to not score this much with so many transitions and possesion changes,and space,it just seems unnatural to see low scoreing games in that environment.A system is based on philosophys that cumulatively work together to to catalyse specific sets of micro-dynamics in specific sequences consistantly,this is known as the winning formula.And the plays will always be like lego pieces going wherever the system needs them,but by design---we will ALWAYS recognise these plays,we need to see the order and timeing of the presentation clearly to identify system core values.

Just saying something like"those are just hockey plays from 20 yrs ago" or "can you give us proof that it works" these statements are vague and non-specific,of course my NHS contains all hockey plays in context all systems must--you need to identify weaknesses in how I utilise those 20 yr old plays before you can fairly question their execution and timeing in the NHS.The proof it works is evidenced when a team strays from its normal system and adopts specific and ordered NHS core values,then actions those adjustments and recieves consistant positive results,then maintains these NHS adjustments.I already mentioned the Oilers,Kings,and the LA playoff opponents who implemented the NHS on the fly last year.I even targeted the timeline when my data hit mainstream,with about 25 gms to go lst year,and was being implemented,I even listed games between LA and the Oilers where BOTH teams were learning to implement the NHS into their hybrid systems at the same time,both adjusting and executeing very very well.

Hopefully I can see this data validated here and just answer questions.

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#37 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:19AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

Ha ha ha,i never really liked chess,my friend had to show me what every piece could do before our first game ,I learned what the pieces did in 20mins,lost a game to him,then two moved him,I realised I was lucky and refused the rubber match and never played another game in my life,but if you google chess two move win kasparov--you will see it was his favorite move.

I am serious about the applications of time and space concepts on that board,I just had to know what the pieces could all do to know their limitations then find the shortest route out of the game.End the game in as fast a time as I could and cover as little space with the men as possible to do this.

I wasnt really playing my friend I was playing the board and the dynamics of the game itself,my friend wasnt a focused concern the rest of the board we werent useing was.I wanted out of the game as fast as I could get there,so it was just a maze,like a puzzle as long as you see the parameters of the playing field and know the capabilitys of the pieces in all aspects,then its just a matter identifying the shortest route.This is what the NHS teaches players to do,to play the game from a new perspective.

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#38 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:38AM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

"There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning."

Sorry NewAgeSys but I'm clearly not intelligent enough to know what this means. Can you please be more specific and dumb it down a little for me? How do NHS players manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning using micro-dynamics?

Good question and I have a great example from last years playoffs that LA took straight from the NHS book,It was provided for the Oilers but the Kings also used it.

When LA was entering the o-zone and then shooting the puck after a tiny delay from the top of the faceoff circel cross ice forceing the goaltender to make a toe save,do you know why they were doing it that way?

Forget about the obvious dynamics of the play and put yourself in the goalies shoes,now listen to me whisper in your ear that I am about to make you do something you dont want to do,because you see when that cross ice shot comes from that spot a tiny delay included,the tender has been given time to set his feet for the primary threat and he squares to the puck--angle his feet,then when the shot is delivered low post on the tenders right side --he is FORCED to turn his feet and he essentially freezes himself,and has very little reboud directional control because of the movement of his feet and the resulting body posture and mechanics.Now an up-speed winger comes flying in and recieves the rebound as if it is a perfect pass and burys it in the net.

This play was used over and over by LA because it was one of my first major NHS system tactics I released online.It may be just a hockey play,but its also a tactical decision within the NHS for many intangible reasons.

This elimination of the goaltender through the manipulation of his body positioning and posture through the creation of a series of micro-dynamics all culminateing in the goal off the perfect toe pass,is the example Ithink you are looking for.

Now go back and read the Canucks site posts and see how I gave them NHS data to counter this tactic,same with the Wings.

On this particular play the up-speed man comeing into the zone late also needs to focus on manageing a series of micro-dynamics as he approaches and enters the o-zone.He needs to angle out the d-man who will be in the middle with a feint or a fake to slide him over to the middle more or stutterstep him to keep that rebound off the tenders toe available and accessable.

The math part is simple that there are only so many directions and angles your body position will allow you to utilise at any given time--there arent that many and when players learn the total number they are not intimidated they have a more complete picture,then they learn to micro-manage their opponents body positions as a system reqirement to support offensive dynamics we want to develop turning a d-mans feet or head or body at the right time to syncronise a developing play this is the management of these micro-dynamics I talk about---we create them.

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#39 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 14 2012, 11:57AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

Brilliant!

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#40 Mulli35
August 15 2012, 01:41AM
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7 minute ABS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdWntqCLwg

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#41 NewAgeSys
August 23 2012, 06:14AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Mike Babcock just called me. He has read what you have to say and he tells me he MUST have your phone number. Pass it along to me and I'll make sure he gets it.

Thanks in advance.

Tell Mike Babcock that I would be happy to talk to him any time at all,and please pass on that I will not post my phone number here but will respond immediatly if he provides me with a number here that I can call,I apologise for the dynamic ,and I am serious about being glad to talk to Mike Babcock as I tried to do so dureing the playoffs and was unsure if I was able to get through until I saw him adjust his team.On another note to Mike Babcock,that was the fastest ,most crisp,execution of the NHS inspired hybrid adjustments I saw outside of the Oilers last year,I would have said outside of LA but Edmonton actually has it down better{players adding NHS core valuse in increments} ---and that was without the direct support of the coaches through a total systemwide adjustment like LA had last year.This shows me there is probably a top three communications base in his organisation in Detroit,those type of immediate and accurate and crisp adjustments to an entire system on the fly dont just happen,top three in the NHL communication wise in my opinion.

Robin,you can also leave a phone number or an e-mail address here if Mike Babcock is hesitant to directly open a line of communication here on-line,and I will reply ASAP.

After the amount of controversy my advocation of the NHS has created I cannot see the wisdom of posting my personal info online--but will respond immediatly if that step is initiated by someone else.

I also have this silly little validation issue that is a carry-over from past experiences,and seeing as that is my personal dynamic and not that of people interested in the NHS,I am at the present in a position where I must respectfully ask anyone interested to extend me the benefit of the doubt and to post their contact number online as part of my validation of the NHS chronological history.My requirement to defend the NHS regarding the validation of source issue is a forced dynamic that I am trying to eliminate permanently,not eliminate critique of or evolution of the NHS --just the validation of source issue.

And on a slightly more"be here-be now"moment ,I currently have a pay as you go cell phone with about 30sec of time on it,and my internet services are a going concern,but the band marches on,ha ha ha.

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#42 Peff
August 12 2012, 11:18AM
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Hmm... 93 .... 39 you may be onto something

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#43 DieHard
August 12 2012, 11:52AM
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I 100% agree. This is a special player and with the talent around him - a scoring machine will appear.

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#44 Rama Lama
August 12 2012, 12:32PM
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RNH will be a much more dominant player than Weight.........IMHO. We got Weight when he had already established himself as a NHL player, and his stock rose with each game he played. He was really only hampered by the quality of the players he played with..........great Oiler all around.

RNH is more cerebral and with a man body will be a more dominant player than Weight........I would compare him more to Sakic.

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#45 Rose Colored Glasses
August 12 2012, 02:43PM
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I think it will be EBS but is it not nice to see that we could have 3 maybe 4 potential guys to reach this mark.

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#46 Jigga
August 12 2012, 03:21PM
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Sorry to go off topic. But if cba negotiations do not improve and the 2012-13 is lost. What will happen with the draft? Will they hold the draft and just have a 2013-14 super draft? Or will the NHL just draft this year based on last years standings?

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#47 Westcoastoil
August 12 2012, 03:50PM
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I was around for the glory cup years and Weight is one of my favorite players of all time. Period. Sublime talent, incredible captain and ambassador for the city and one of the nicest/classiest guys you could find. Be happy to see the old boys network poach him from the Island

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#48 vetinari
August 12 2012, 03:59PM
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Re: CBA wiping out this season... I doubt a lockout would last a whole season because we're talking about a multi-billion dollar business and both sides can't afford to go that route again. But if it did, I suspect that there would be a special lotto to give every team a shot at the #1 and a one year special draft that maybe would an extra few rounds.

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#49 harp
August 12 2012, 04:57PM
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I've followed the Oilers for 30 years and Dougie is my favorite. Amazing player/leader/ambassador as west coast oil said. Tambi should get canned, Mact should be the GM and Dougie should be asst GM.

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#50 Robin Brownlee
August 12 2012, 05:21PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

RNH will be a much more dominant player than Weight.........IMHO. We got Weight when he had already established himself as a NHL player, and his stock rose with each game he played. He was really only hampered by the quality of the players he played with..........great Oiler all around.

RNH is more cerebral and with a man body will be a more dominant player than Weight........I would compare him more to Sakic.

Weight finished with 1,033 points playing, a lot of seasons, with a whole lot of nothing on bad-to-mediocre teams.

I like RNH a lot, and I think he can be in Weight's league, but "much more dominant" is a tad premature, no?

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