RNH: DOUG WEIGHT 2.0?

Robin Brownlee
August 12 2012 11:15AM

The Edmonton Oilers haven't had a player break the 80-point plateau since Doug Weight did it in 2000-01. The way I see it, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, who was eight years old when Weight accomplished the feat, will be the next – likely this coming season, the CBA willing.

It's been 11 seasons since Weight tallied 25-65-90 and the Oilers haven't had a player bump past the 80-point mark since then, although Jordan Eberle took a good run at it with 76 points last season and Ales Hemsky, who has breached the 70-point mark three times, had 77 in 2005-06.

While Eberle and Taylor Hall (if he can cut down on the number of headers he takes into the boards) are obviously candidates to join the 80-point club, I see Nugent-Hopkins, who had 18-34-52 in 62 games as a rookie in 2011-12, as the likeliest to achieve it first.

Nugent-Hopkins, 19, reminds me more than a little bit of Weight in terms of substance and style – he's smart, he's quick and shifty on his skates without possessing blazing top-end speed, he has excellent vision and anticipation and has a knack of putting the puck where his wingers can do something with it. And there's the number thing -- 39 and 93. If Weight is a distant memory for you, here's a video refresher

Those qualities aside, Nugent-Hopkins goes into 2012-13 with more firepower around him – Hall, Eberle, Hemsky and Nail Yakupov -- on the power play and as potential linemates than Weight ever enjoyed during his distinguished tenure wearing the oil drop.

WHAT'S REASONABLE?

In pegging Nugent-Hopkins for 80 points, I'm not talking about "Reasonable Expectations," as defined in the series Lowetide provides ON readers. That's a different measure – more of a bottom line. I'm talking about my expectations for the coming season – the top-end of what I believe Nugent-Hopkins is capable of as this point in his career.

I'm not using spreadsheets and a whole bunch (any) advanced statistical analysis here. The Bronte 5000, a Commodore 64 in the context of today's technology, is simply not capable of processing it.

In simple terms, if you project the 18-34-52 numbers Nugent-Hopkins produced in 62 games as a rookie -- .29 GPG, .55 APG and .84 PPG – straight across over 82 games, you get 24-45-69. Hey, Brownlee, that's not 80 . . .

Of course, it's not as simple as that and this is where my head begins to hurt – what about ice time, power play time, linemates, quality of competition, zone starts and all that other stuff (that goes into making an educated guess)? Insert sound of my brain flipping inside my skull here.

MY BOTTOM LINE

. . . While Nugent-Hopkins won't get as many protected minutes as he did from Tom Renney last season, he will certainly play more than the 17:36 he averaged last season as the clear-cut No.1 center right out of the gate under Ralph Krueger.

. . . I don't see anything unsustainable in the 13.4 shooting percentage had last season. It's not so high (Eberle was at 18.9) a marked drop-off seems likely and not so low that I see huge room for improvement.

. . . I think the Oilers will score more goals than the 212 (including shootout wins) they had last season. How many more? If a much-improved power play can stay in the top-10, I don't think 235-240 is unreasonable. RNH will be in on a greater share of those than he was last season.

Numbers aside, I like the way Nugent-Hopkins thinks the game and, like Eberle (and Weight), he has an understated competitive streak that drives him to prove doubters and critics wrong – the SIUTBOHC factor. Remember that fluke fall into the boards that cost him the Calder Trophy? Fuel.

On top of the ability to process the game and the I'll-show-you streak, Nugent-Hopkins is smart. I'm not concerned he won't be able to sneak up on anybody as a sophomore or that his name will be circled on white boards around the league. Yes, opponents have had a season to compile a book on Nugent-Hopkins. The flipside is he's had a year to size them up, as well.

Move over, Douglas. RNH is on the way. I'd bet sooner than later.

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#101 Robin Brownlee
August 13 2012, 03:45PM
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Chris wrote:

Brownlee,

I wonder if you were one of the MSM types who were constantly questioning if Weight was a legit #1 during his tenure here? So if Weight wasn't a true #1 (as many claimed during his time here), does that mean RNH isn't a true #1 either?

Are you asking a question or finding a roundabout way of making a statement?

You wouldn't have to wonder how I characterized Doug Weight as a player if you read what I wrote while he was actually here or looked up what was written back then. Easier just to throw out the question, I guess.

Can you name the "MSM types" who were "constantly questioning" Weight's ability as a No. 1 centre? I don't recall that being the case and, as the primary beat man covering the Oilers for The Journal at the time, I read everything written about the team. What did I miss?

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#102 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 03:49PM
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@the big GRIGowski

There is no frame of reference beyond last year because I just released the NewAge Hockey System.Last year I released specific core value components of the NHS that could be integrated into the Oilers existing hybrid system without forceing them to remove anything from what they had,essentiall ADDING is easier than REMOVEING and REBUILDING{it wasnt an ideal dynamic and the season was rolling}.I asked for a paycheque but didnt get it.Remember I was just a random poster on the Oilers site trying to bleed my NHS core values into the Oilers game through osmosis without any control of direction or order,just winging it from game to game adding core value components at opportune times.I had to present data in a way that proved value through positive results almost immediatly for the data to be considered again.It was a maveric approach,what other route was possible??First I had to find a conduit to use to communicate the NHS to the Oilers,I chose their website,then I had to become immersed in the site and contribute regularly,in many cases presenting controversial perspectives due to the unique non-traditional perspective of the NHS,these posts generated some interest from Oilers players because they began to implement small details as per my specific posts right after they were made,the next game.Then I began posting longer more in depth core value component data and allowed them to absorb it and then they began to implement these core value concepts into the hybrid system they were playing of their own accord,they began ADDING to what the coaches were teaching them ,adding NHS core values without removeing anything from the coaches system interpretation and demands.

As more players began implementing specific philosophys the results began to show on the ice,and as soon as four guys were initiating the NHS we abruptly began to have offensive eruptions that came out of seemingly nowhere,the coaches sure couldnt explain them post game and they were asked many times,much like Sutter had no explanation last year.Sutter was communicateing with Stoll so he was aware and willing,Renney had guys absorbing the NHS and evolving his sytem autonomously.

If you have a special interest we can do a detailed forensic background history of all my posts that the Oilers havent deleted yet,when they banned me they wiped almost all of my posts purposefully,however so many other forum members had already quoted me so many times you can still google "Moma2 Oilers hockey"or whatever and pull most of them up.Just remember that most were a part of a maverick communication process and were reflective of the process,not an accurate representation of my personal opinions.They had indirect purposes every time.

So no and not for lack of trying ,I dont have a paycheque as a consultant from an NHL team,and due to situational dynamics surrounding the creation and release of the NHS we DO need to reference teams from last year who had the opportunity to acess the data i posted,again remember this is a process of osmosis,it is results orientated and its not like NHL players suddenly started jumping up and down over some pushy web poster,and just accepted the data, they had to analyse it first from their professional perspective and make an educated decision wether the data was applicable or it wasnt,this can only be done by professionals who else can validate this data properly??The great thing is that it only takes one or two guys buying into the NHS together to show immediate results if they play in a hybrid system already,and positive results are like magnets to pro players they identify trends fast and come on board if the results are there and they can see them firsthand.

So my NewAge Hockey System and its philosophys have evolved beyond theoretical and have already contributed to an LA Cup win and a trip to the final for our Oilers farm team,these NHS core value adjustments to our prior systems are seamless because we break nothing down,we just add and build off of the hybrid base.

Line up Renney,Krueger,Sutter,Stoll,Fraser,and pretty much any Oilers and toss them in a room with a poly-graph guy and ask them specific questions about the claims I make and the parts I claim they play in the dynamics I describe,just say Moma2 and watch the needle jump,just for kicks put the Oilers Video coach on a pedastal and ask him if he told Mr.Renney and company that it was Moma2s data and adjustments he was relaying from the internet to the bench???Or did he leave the question unaddressed and commit a lie of ommission everytime he relayed NHS specific data beyond my posts without validateing me as the source?What if the Coach thought some core values were valuable but had no way to acess more of my data as a resource??I only released partial system data,nothing more critical then an adjusted hybrid serveing as a base to the NHS----but all of the complete system data was available to the coaches.But somehow I was being banned from the Oilers site for presenting to much system data and individual player tactical data and for asking for a job based on positive results I could prove I contributed to??It is what it is,my approach has been unconventional by design for over two years,but at this point I have released enough NHS data to adjust any hybrid out there,the Oilers either see value or they dont,I only released non-critical NHS data on-line,I withheld most core value components and simply worked on adjusting existing hybrid systems,any team implementing my full system will still have a major tactical advantage,lets say LA was limping on one wheel of the NHS/adjusted hybrid and look what they did on short notice??

If you analyse LAs progress from the beginning of the year and watch the 25 gm point and note the changes,all of them tiny or not,then do the same with the Oilers and their farm team you will see a trend develop,if you watch the last couple of games in the regular season between LA and the Oilers you will see two teams,BOTH OF THEM trying to implement the NHS into their hybrid systems,both with acess to the same NHS data and both adjusting and incorporateing through addition to their existing systems on the fly,it is awesome to watch,and it is a textbook example of two NHS/adjusted hybrids initiateing a system check-mate on each other,a lot of fast skateing,a lot of quick transitions,and a lot of shots,but NOT much scoreing.It is a great comparative for the LA playoff applications of the NHS especially after I gave their opponents the same data after the game ones were over--because immediatly after the data was implemented both teams {in every series I provided NHS data in to the opponent}went into a system check-mate exactly as they should when implementing NHS core values into their hybrid systems.

Sorry for the long reply,if you have any specific technical questions I can answer them with shorter replys.

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#103 the big GRIGowski
August 13 2012, 04:31PM
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@newagesys

I guess what I'm struggling with is your constant claims that everyone's using your system yet no one is willing to claim they are or to support your claims. If I'm a head coach/GM and some maestro on a message boards comes up with a revolutionary system that causes my team to succeed, I hire him immediately. After all, he (you) is the master of the system.

Reminds me of bill James (I think) the stats nerd that the red sox hired.

Finally, how did you send LA the stats after every game? Or, how did they access that information?

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#104 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 04:33PM
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Here comes a whole buncha, there's just not enough time, give me some money for my seekrits, i have the greatest idea in the hockey universe....

How did you make out on Dragons Den with this all too important IT Newage?

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#105 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 04:46PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Here comes a whole buncha, there's just not enough time, give me some money for my seekrits, i have the greatest idea in the hockey universe....

How did you make out on Dragons Den with this all too important IT Newage?

Chillax QSB, it's August, with likely no NHL season for months, what else would you have me do? Go out and get some sun? Pffft!

I honestly don't think this guy is a troll, he is just "passionate". If he is trolling - then trust me, it is taking him waaaaaay longer to write these babies up than I have spent reading them.

Who knows? He could just be operating at a totally different plane than the rest of us knuckleheads and we are fortunate to be on the cutting edge of a generational change in how the game is played. Or he could be nuttier than squirrel p00p. In either case, if Wanye pays his contributors by keystroke their articles generate, Brownlee is gonna be Livin' Large.

EDIT: Great QSB! You changed your post, which makes my contribution appear even less relevant than usual! FYI, responding to the suggestion that NewAge Sys is a troll.

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#106 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 04:49PM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

This is getting fun.

Please reply to my previous questions. I'm only asking the questions you need to be able to answer if you want to be taken seriously.

Can you please clarify what you mean when you say, "We are in my opinion lacking nowhere in our personell dept.I believe we have everyone we need right now.I believe we are able to sucessfully man and maintain a high octane offensive system like the NHS,we are young enough,fast enough,smart enough,and tough enough to execute system needs"?

Are you saying our current roster is good enough to win the cup? Division? Make the playoffs?

Are you honestly saying that our current squad, with your system can win the cup?

i 100% believe we can do exactly that and had I had full and open communication with the Oilers in some capacity we would have played a full and complete version of the NewAge Hockey System for 82 gms instead of haveing to suffer the growing pains of adjusting our hybrid with NHS core values through desperation after blowing our season.

You need to understand something here,at the beginning of last year the Oilers coaches were inadvertantly executeing the same core value components that the NHS executes for VERY FLUKEY REASONS,and they were kicking arse doing it,but my friends it was inadvertant and the coaches had simply made the unknowing proper adjustments to present an adjusted hybrid system,there was zero tactical dynamic awareness involved on the coaches part,they were simply pieceing together their hybrid system as best they could without Whitney quarterbacking it,they made excellent adjustments out of what they thought was desperation and a position of weakness but it was not so.

We evolved out of desperation into a possesion/transition team,because we had so many youngsters we were trying to shelter at the beginning of the year and we were missing some key components of our current hybrid system like Whitney especially the coaches decided to keep everything simple,no more elite high risk passes from Whitney to ignite our offence,no more high speed breakouts skipping a zone transition because of Whitneys elite skillset,simple three transition possesion hockey,low risk,medium paced controlled basic hockey.

Potter provided a perfect replacement for Whitney because he keyed our early sucess more than anyone has ever recognised,he provided excellent long bomb passes and a mobility and rush threat that allowed us to make a first transition sucessfully 80% of the time,this was key to initiateing the three transition--possesion/transition style the NHS represents and it plays into ALL the Oilers strengths as a group,and because Potter was aware enough to ensure he made a proper first pass timed to allow a controlled neutral zone entry as opposed to Whitneys long pass to a STREAKING forward,the team followed his lead and adjusted their hybrid exactly as I had to teach them after the BIG SKID,exactly as LA did and exactly as our farm team did.When this adjusted hybrid is under pressure they dont collapse into a defensive shell at all they come at you.

Heres the sad part, as soon as Whitney was able to return the coaching staff abandoned totally the adhoc emergency approach and BECAUSE THEY INCORRECTLY ATTRIBUTED THEIR EARLY SUCESS TO TEAM DEFENCE BY COMITTEE they assumed that by immediatly returning to the traditional unadjusted hybrid system with the addition of Whitney as QB ect that they should according to the math be EVEN BETTER because the defense should be even better-----not so.

Instead the team was fractured,they had already experienced enough sucess to have had the possesion/transition mindset burned in to their perspectives---they already knew the right way to put together the recipie to win at the NHL level with the chemistry and personell they had definitive positive results with and suddenly they were thrust back into a controlled set play based hybrid system,it was a difficult transition and failed miserably,as the coaches began to focus on and tighten up the defense loss by loss,it was like a snowball rolling downhill as the losses piled up the coaches focused more and more on the falsely identified reason they thought gave them early sucess.And through it all I was online pointing this out and trying to save the season by injecting as much NHS data as I possibly could under the circumstances,and out of desperation I believe some people began to listen and implement my data.

Players began of their own accord to implement the NHS data into the hybrid as much as they could without letting down the hybrid system,and as more and more men began to follow the positive results and implement this NHS data,the team began to evolve BACK into a possesion/transition team{an NHS/adjusted hybrid} ,it was up and down as the coaches were cautious amd it wasnt until we were definately toast playoffwise that there was a serious commitment to the NHS adjustments,about 25 gms to go the exact same time LA began to implement the data and the farm team was going full swing as well.

Based on the sucess I witnessed against some of the NHLs best teams last year when we were inadvertantly playing a NHS/adjusted hybrid or a possesion/transition style at the beginning of the year,and the UTTER COLLAPSE of the ENTIRE TRADITIONAL HYBRID,combined with the definitive sucess the Oilers began to reaquire at the 25 gm mark when they seriously tried the NHS and abandoned the traditional hybrid once more,I think we will possibly be in a position to take our divisional title,conference title and win the Stanley Cup in a record breaking season.

I have no time to expand more on this now but suffice to say a properly executed version of the NewAge Hockey System will generate 45 shots per game and four or more goals per game over 82 games,these happen to be record breaking numbers on every level,and there is NO SYSTEM I KNOW OF THAT CAN GENERATE THESE OFFENSIVE OPPORTUNITYS CONSISTANTLY over 82 gms.

When I say a superior pure unadultered offensively catalysed system of play,I mean just that,and with this approach and my new and innovative NHS records can be broken and new benchmarks for sucess can be established.

I say we are already manned up with a championship roster because systems win games and championships,players support systems,skill beyond league average is not a prerequisite for any man on a properly managed and comitted team playing a superior system.I believe the NHS is a superior system to any in the history of hockey because it presents a 5 on 5 offensive dynamic never seen before,ever.

It is this type of innovation that supports the type of results we need to produce as a team to redefine the word champion in Edmonton,we need a system exactly like the NHS,one with no boundries with no ceiling offensively a dominateing system.One no one has a book on----but me.I am still offering support to my home team,they just need to validate me on the Oilers site where I originally tried to freely give them my entire system database.

I think if I were given our farm team and allowed to work with their coaches adjusting their already evolving system a little more by adding the missing NHS core values needed to initiate much more offense into the hybrid base,that the group would not just defeat,but utterly dominate our full complete NHL lineup in a seven game series.There is no match for the NHS,especially not the hybrid,adjusted or not,the entire hybrid system concept is essentially just the BASE of the NHS,do you see the catch here?The best a hybrid can ever accomplish against the NHS is the STARTING POINT FOR THE NHS,the spot where the hybrid maxes out is the spot where the NHS begins to initiate terminal offense.had LA had my complete book they would have blown teams out after they initiated a system check-mate,essentially they would have held their opponents in a "trap"rinkwide and hammered the offense into them at will for 60 mins.I didnt teach any of the adjusted hybrids how to incorporate any substantial offense into the system check-mate I taught them to initiate because I would have had to reveal critical NHS data that might hurt the Oilers down the road should they decide to embrace the NHS before I crack and give it away to another team out of frustration and animosity just so it can evolve and produce result somewhere.

Yes we have all the men we need to bring home the hardware on every level of the organisation,and dont take this the wrong way please but for gods sakes so what??The ingredients are all sitting there,and they are all high quality,BUT WE STILL NEED THE MAGICIAN to turn them into NHL wins and points in the standings,right???The magician is the SYSTEM,and I am recommending the NewAge Hockey System,it includes the creator and the entire book ,and really Mr.Krueger has already referenced an affinity for the Oilers 80s powerplay which just so happens to be the womb the NewAge Hockey System was born from,my entire NHS is based off of Wayne gretzkys dynamic management of that PP,I have developed a system that incorporates these ultr-sucessful tactics into a 5 on 5 format,you do the math,ok,the results translate beautifully,imagine faceing that PP for 60mins,because thats what the NHS does to you and your system for 60mins.

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#107 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 05:05PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Chillax QSB, it's August, with likely no NHL season for months, what else would you have me do? Go out and get some sun? Pffft!

I honestly don't think this guy is a troll, he is just "passionate". If he is trolling - then trust me, it is taking him waaaaaay longer to write these babies up than I have spent reading them.

Who knows? He could just be operating at a totally different plane than the rest of us knuckleheads and we are fortunate to be on the cutting edge of a generational change in how the game is played. Or he could be nuttier than squirrel p00p. In either case, if Wanye pays his contributors by keystroke their articles generate, Brownlee is gonna be Livin' Large.

EDIT: Great QSB! You changed your post, which makes my contribution appear even less relevant than usual! FYI, responding to the suggestion that NewAge Sys is a troll.

Oops, my bad Soupy.

Appears to be a lot of hot air. Last time i checked the Oilers failed miserably against the Kings the last two times they played last season. Even with this all too important newage system locked down, apparently stolen from NHS and implemented, the Oilers still got blasted 4-1 and 2-1. Who the heck can we blame for that systems failure!

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#108 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 05:10PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

No problem. I have done the same thing with the best of intentions. Going home to watch the rest of the "Super Series". ~surprisingly it is not as compelling as the original '72 series~

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#109 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 05:55PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

All that's missing here is the one time only offer of 10 CDs for three easy payments of $299.95 plus a nominal fee ($1,599) for shipping.

Who's the friggin' crap-for-brains knucklehead who asked this kook for more details?

Ummm... I believe that was you.

#28 Robin Brownlee August 12 2012, 08:47PM +1 3 props

@NewAgeSys

Please provide us with more detail about the system you touched on.

*ducks*

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#110 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 06:05PM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

"We never ask players to go out and create time and space,simply because it is impossible in every way,why complicate a mans job by asking him to manifest the impossible,no one is going to go out there and manufacture any time there are only 60 mins to go around,ok,and no one is going to manufacture any more space than is already out there,ok?"

You're missing the point - intentionally or not. Time and space are basically the most fundamental movement concepts in sport and have been around since the INVENTION OF SPORT.

What's the purpose of a toe-drag? Why do defensemen stand 20 feet apart and not right beside each other? Why do we teach our kids to engage the puck handler as early as possible?

Go and take any introductory, intermediate or advanced sports movement or sport strategy class at any post-secondary institution and time and space will make up a large portion of the course material. And the best part - they apply to every team sport. EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Unless you're claiming to be smarter than essentially all of our post-secondary profs, and master coaches, I'd like a justification of ignoring the most basic and fundamental concepts of sport.

Exactly,I am missing the point intentionally--I dont subscribe to the way these concepts are verbalised,i clearly understand what is being communicated and requested in a figureative sense by the going out and creating time and space,I just dont believe that it is close enough to the literal interpretation of the verbalisation to not create extra static in my players workload,the NHS requires that all players share a new and unique perspective that departs from the traditional mindsets they have grown up with surrounding their game,we want a NEW VIEW.

I am not disputeing the results both systems are asking players to provide,I am eliminateing the traditional communication conduit completely and replaceing it with an entirely new one that is foriegn to everyone and they must learn to share together on the same curve.As a group.One channel for everyone if you will.

I dont really put much stock in post secondary courses that study athletic dynamics,I have experienced these dynamics sucessfully enough to understand them as well as anyone.

You are right that these dynamics apply to every sport,I know because I won at almost every sport more than I ever lost,I was the Most Outstanding Male Athlete in my High School and I coached two junior high athletic team and one senior high athletic team while I was in school for extra credit,about three of four hours easily every night of the week.

I am takeing libertys here bacause i have been asked a question related to my knowledge base of sports or competative situational dynamics,I was the guy who played five sports in high school,turned down a couple of scholarships,was gifted a training Camp run by the All-Blacks free of charge a camp created for Canadas best Rugby players ,worked out with members of Rugbys Team Canada,and a 4x100 meter Canadian Olympic team member,and to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces or players,the dance may change BUT THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME.

I believe there is a quantifiable 3rd dimension perspective or vision that you can teach players to utilise ,it is what people refer to as elite vision,I believe that the two dimensional definitions of competative dynamics that are generally taught in post secondary institutions and pro locker rooms are seriously lacking in substance and depth.

The foundation of the NHS happens to be this elite vision,and as an Intuative communicator i have the natural ability to get every player on the same exact page,at any time,and i do this by "creating" a page new to EVERYONE.I do it by teaching players how to identify ,experiment with and ultimately evolve this "elite vision",I simply teach them how to view their game from another perspective,I am a visual thinker so for me it is easy.

People with marked intuative abilitys generally are born as visual thinkers,we literally see each and every thought we have as a picture or a frame in a running video.

Most pro athletes who have this ability are born with it and actually struggle in other areas of their development until they find sports or competative dynamics which incorporate constant learning where this ability gives them a natural advantage and becomes their comfort zone.

Very ,very,few of these men and women can understand the process enough to begin to teach it,and unfortunately this Visual thinking normally has a side effect of diminished social skills and communication skills,i just happen to be one of us who discovered the sports and competative advantage and made that place my comfort zone,the tendancy to seek comfort within competative dynamic permeates my entire life.

I also happen to be someone who loves to communicate,which is an anomoly amongst my crowd,so we have a naturally born Intuative Visual thinker,one that against the grain developed into an eager communicator{I have done motivational speaking engagements at a locl college--with no post-secondary education}who early in life found and embraced competative sports dynamics to create a comfort or safe zone within which his natural abilitys provided him control and safety,then this guy discovered the internet and a communication conduit to his favorite hockey team,then he proceded to apply the cumulative knowledge of his own personal experiences with 40 yrs and thousands of games of hockey to develop an new and superior system of playing NHL hockey so his up and comeing young team could cement their own place in NHL history standing equal to or above the great names we honor here in Edmonton,the system is called the NewAge Hockey System,I created it,and it is a superior system to any ever executed in NHL history.And yes I am a Hillbilly in your eyes because I scoff at conventional thinking and redefine concepts you are supportive of,but so what,every time you compete things are forced to change,actually it is a good sign.it is the first step to controlling your own destiny and manifesting winning results,it all starts with a tiny movement,as i said the dance may change but the song remains the same,once you win enough at a wide range of things you can more easily identify the commonalitys amongst the competative dynamics you encounter that lead straight to wins and victory.Winning refines this elite 3rd dimensional perspective I am incorporateing into the NHS,i am creating a short-cut to a champions mentality and vision,and NO SYSTEM in history that i am aware of has done this.

I hope i havent offended anyone or come across as a braggert,or whatever,I only discussed personal accomplishments to answer an annoying but expected question i encounter consistantly,and it always takes a long time to fairly represent my background and to define the source of my personal knowledge base.I respect the need to question me considering my claims.And welcome it.

Incidentaly,I would welcome any competative dynamic any professor or teacher would like to personally participate in and present to me.Crossword puzzles or word searches if they choose,i already have tactical competative systems for both,i even compete with myself to refine my perspective constantly.

Truthfully,some people really do just write their own book or ticket and get it bang on right the first time no matter how big the challenge,how do you think stanley Cup overtime winning goals are scored??An individual in a conducive dynamic decides to manifest the result,to write the last chapter of the game--and simply does so by scoreing the goal.I think I got it right the first time,and may one day write my own book just to keep the record honest.Till then i hope to see the Oilers implement the NHS.

I believe that unless you have hands on experience manifesting a wide range of winning results spanning many sports and competative dynamics you have no business expecting credability being involved in teaching anything related to winning dynamics,no disrespect to the industry of Education.But I could be wrong,look at what i am trying to accomplish,and the reception i am getting?I guess the ultimate judge of quality of results is the win column,and I dont know how we would asses a professors results,we can sure asses an athletes though cant we??

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#111 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 07:03PM
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Newage Systems: The poster child of how to say absolutely nothing in 3000 words or less.

What a load of bunk.

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#112 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 07:46PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

You know Newage, i'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for you. How much time must've been wasted on this venture.

How is it possible to implement a broadbased system like you've dreamed up here when every players reflex/reactions/instincts will be different? Where does a team forced to use contractually obligated players sit in regards to strengths and weaknesses fall in all this, a team without a No.1 or 2 blueliner, a team with questionable goaltending, a team where the top 6 is a work in progress?

Do you have any actual acknowledgement that a pro hockey club has used your system exclusively and been successful with it. Did Daryl Suter send you a Stanley Cup ring as well?

The NHS implements its core value components by essentially removeing the bulk of the player workload and decision makeing and transferring it to the system where it belongs,there are many core values that address all of your concerns,heres a synopsis,"player reflexes/reactions/instincts"----we reduce the amount of movement players are required to execute through applying a guiding principal called "Conservation of Motion",we reduce the amount of energy players expend through "Conservation of Energy",we eliminate the responsibility of set play and defensive dynamics,replaceing them with a two phase cycleing approach,we keep all 6 men on the ice focused 100% on offence,we implement an iron grip on momentum through our unique Gapping tactic catalysed by the conservation guideing principals,and we are always ALL moveing in the same forward direction for 60mins.Even our bodie positions are always in a forward direction,our sticks are also tacticly integrated positionally into the cycleing we execute.The NHS implements a tactical shot management philosophy that dictates line by line this dynamic on a period to period basis,supported by pregame scouting of opposition tenders.

Reflexes,reactions,and instincts are all dynamics that can be controlled through transferring their catalysing dynamics back to the system itself,you dont need to use your reflexes to the max as much because the momentum is always on your side,your reactions are tailored because you are executeing a very forgiveing cycle in two phases,your instincts will not kick in so much when your individual decision makeing has been relinquished to the system,you will not be panicing,all of these things are directly connected to the shot as well,which again has become a system dictated dynamic,relieving the players of the responsibility of shot decision makeing allowing them to actually maximise all of these intangibles through a fast ,natural,instinctive release,of their shots at times when their opponents least expect it and times when the system has dictated them a quality opportunity,they NEVER have to pick their spots and have a SYSTEM RESPONSIBILITY TO ENGAGE OFFENSE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY VIA THE FIRST SHOT--as per the pre-planned tactical shot management the system dictates for each line every period--this is because system tactics are also based on anticipatory rebound aquisition and goaltender control.

There is no such definition as number 1 d-man or forward associated with the NHS,at all,the concept doesnt exist,traditional players positional mindsets are utilised as support for an abandonment of all defensive focus and planning,all the traditional defensive concerns are taken away from the players and returned to the system where they belong via the elimination of ALL set system plays in favor of a two phase offensively catalysed 5-man cycle.Because of our two phase cycle we always have the man closest to both sides of the puck no matter who has possesion and we also always have momentum and directional speed on our side via our gapping tactic and our upspeed zone transitions.

The NHS is the most forgiveing system I know of,it allows players to use their creativity more by relinquishing their mental workload and their physical workload by adjudicating a large portion of their individual system responsibilitys back to the system itself where they belong.No kidding,you skate less,burn less energy,posses the puck more,get hit less,hit more,touch the puck more as a group,shoot more and more relaxed and naturally,at system dictated moments which goalies and opposition dont anticipate because they are not traditional or "natural"shot positions.

The NHS was created with the skills of the average NHLer in mind and by design it allows these men to execute a superior systen catalysed by explosive and constant offence,puck pressure and momentum control,followed by lots of goals.

I believe the NHS could take the Oilers NHL roster playing their adjusted hybrid ,useing the Farm team only easily in a 7 game series.Probably only give them one game,and finish them in four---supporting their current coaches--it will be easy because they already have implemented NHS core values into their hybrid system on the farm,it would be fast track upgradeing.

I have definitive proof that LA used the NHS data I released,and also the Oilers and the farm team,and also several of the Kings playoff opponents I was online with.Proof is not easy to define--we need to establish that the teams stray from their historical reactionary movements and tactics in specific situations and then that they action another set of specific dynamics or actions in those situations,they must revert under pressure in consistant dynamics to exactly the NHS or I cannot claim any credit,we must do this because after all these are just hockey plays right?We need to establish consistant chronological order,and timeing of the implementation of NHS tactics to spite historical system tendancies.

No problem,just google the GDTs and watch a replay of the game on the right timeline as I was posting so you can see when and what and to whom I posted data and you can see the results on the gametape in real time identifying the reaction times between data posting and actual bench action on the ice,you can actually see it dramaticly improves as the season progresses and trust builds.

Remember my data was in large on the GDTs and I had no direct communication with anyone ---the Video Coach or some Oiler was online relaying my exact easily identifiable data,and adjustments to the Oilers bench whereupon the data was actually being implemented.Do you think the Video Coach was simply takeing my data and relaying it to the bench as if they were his own adjustments and data??Without telling anyone it was Moma2 from the Oiler website provideing NHS data and adjustments from his liveing room??You be the judge,I was banned from the Oilers site and they deleted many of my posts,because so many members quoted me so many times many of the posts are still on google.Come on man ,I won 50 bucks in my liveing room from my brother in law by uploading a specific play from a specific player---he picked the man and i found a relative dynamic and picked the on-ice play or action which the team and player initiated within minutes,exactly as I said,I removed all possible doubts and made 50 bucks.Which he later "borrowed"back??

There is enough proof for a half hour TSN special show,a regular Canadian fella sitting in his liveing room createing and promoteing a new unique pure unadultered offensive system of playing ice-hockey,designed in form and function for his favorite and Home team the Oilers,follow him as he joins the Oilers website and proceeds to establish a communications conduit through which he transfers NHS system data to anyone reading the posts.Watch as Oiler players learn of this new and superior system the NHS and begin to unofficially adopt it,see management eventually come round and begin to experiment,watch the arc-evil LA kings as they send a spy to learn this new and valuable data,see the spy return home and give the data to his king and then watch the king win a war and a cup with the data.See the Oilers begin to embrace the NHS as they watch the Kings rideing their Oilers NHS to a Stanley Cup.This is simply to much ,ha ha ha.

I have tons of GDTs from Oilers games,and some good reactionary ones from the Canucks site,who I got a great reception from the Super-mods from.Both the Oilers and Kings started to seriously implement NHS core values into their hybrids with about 25 games to go.Those last few regular season games we had are excellent ones to see two teams simultaneously adjusting their hybrid systems by adding NHS core value components,and those games have excellent examples of both teams initiateing a system check-mate on each other,those games EXACTLY emulate ALL of LAs cup run wins and games,and are the best examples of the documented obvious and paralell implementation of my NHS tactics from a traditional hybrid system platform.

You can also research the Canucks series,they were reacting immediatly after I posted data for them,they were in fact turning their series around step by step through the implementation of a system check-mate made possible by my provision of NHS data to them online.The Wings also listened very accurately,but not until they were terminal they showed a little to much loyalty to their in the face of serious losses and didnt use my data soon enough,actually they used just a bit then stopped and choked,then tried again and then they were also initiateing an EXACT version of a system check-mate like LA was also doing,vis a vis the Canucks series earlier.Perfect examples of the implementation of the NHS to the hybrid system on the fly with definitive positive results documented.

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#113 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 08:12PM
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@NewAgeSys

My table saw gives me the that exact same catalysing dynamic effort everytime i turn it on NHS. You're dreaming if you think 18 players on the same team will show up every night and perform like this machine you've created here. Players don't show up every night of the 82 game regular season. On any given night, teams are fortunate if half a dozen players show up with enough pizz'n vinegar to overwhelm their opponent that evening.

Step away from your NHL2012 NHS, it's not a credible statistics based source to run an NHL team. Humans are flawed and prone to inconsistancies. Your program is missing the huge element of reality. With analysis like you've so kindly provided here, it's really important you don't quit your day job sir.

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#114 the big GRIGowski
August 13 2012, 08:30PM
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@newAgeSys

If you put half as much effort into your daytime job you'd be a bloody billionaire. Props for effort bud.

IMO - no system on the face of this planet (or any other planet for that matter) would make our current team a Stanley Cup contender.

That being said, I've only played and coached college basketball, have never played a game of hockey and was never offered a tryout with the All-Blacks.

You need to create a website to share your vision with the rest of the world because it's clear to me that your message isn't getting to the right people. C'mon, hosting's $100 a year and a dummy could make a Wordpress site.

Would you be so kind as to tell us who you really are so we can legitimize your knowledge and prowess in sport? Right now you're an anonymous (and passionate) fan who's making a lot of serious claims but hasn't backed any of them up with a single solid piece of evidence.

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#115 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 08:41PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

OK I will play along, New Age Sys. Here is a simple question. The Oilers appear they will have a top 6 comprised mainly of smallish, inexperienced but skilled forwards. Under NewAge Sys (shouldn't there be a trademark icon after that?), how would you deploy them for maximum effectiveness without getting squashed like bugs by the brutal top D's and bigger forward they will be facing?

Now the challenge, should you choose to accept it Mr. Phelps, is the following:

a) Your answer cannot include trading for Lucic, Couturier, Backes, et al b) PLEASE, keep the answer less than 500 words. Honestly, I have the attention span of a ...... sorry what were we talking about?

Simply have them execute the NHS as per system requirements.

The NHS is a possesion/transition system that is catalysed by a 100% 60min focus on offense,it is a momentum controlling system that maintains a forward direction and motion at all times,this is supported by a Gapped two phase cycle that eliminates the need for a defensive focus,the cycle allows us to have the closest man to the puck on both sides and the gapped cycle allows us to always have the first support man into the fray,allowing us to either double team or release one guy back into the cycle,best part is if a guy gets taken down everyone is already comeing in at high speed and the cycle just skips them and we continue with our pressure forward.We dont rely on set plays and we are constantly cycleing rink wide or half rink wide at two speeds high and higher,most contact comes out of a set defensive posture or is a result of supporting such structure,both our forwards and our d-men will accept less contact in both zones and will consistantly be the iniators of contact ,brief contact as they stick and roll back into the cycle.

Our players are NHL average i am guessing,180lbs and up seems close to me,certainly big enough to execute the NHS.

Gapping actually severely curtails hitting against us because remember we ALWAYS have a support man comeing or closeing on a teammate in the cycle,so hitting one of us soon proves to be a bad call either because you eat a shoulder from a man cycleing in at high speed every time or because letting yourself be eliminated from the play allows a high speed cycle to blow past you,remember the cycle never stops and acts as a full rink trap or rather produces the same basic result.The goals we will score over 82 games due to our cycle victimiseing opponents who allow themselves to be taken out of the play either by us or voluntarily through a hit on us will discourage teams from that approach,we have so much constant movement and constant offensive threat developing for teams to expose themselves repeatedly,and there is a limit,this is pro hockey so contact will be made,but I reassert that we will have the closest man to support the play from both ends at all times so we will also be in a position to run over guys who will not be prepared for the incomeing man off the cycles high velocity,the price is high from all perspectives and the NHS is designed to discourage such decision makeing by makeing other options more attractive,also by adjusting our Gapping to double team a specific aggressive d-man we can actually tacticly shorten the Gapping between the contact man with the puck and his cycleing in support man,letting him rip into the d-man after he has already hit the puck carrier with serious velocity and intent,call it the Hammer,and we initiate it as an offensive support tactic to maintain cycle integrity so we do it fast and hard.The NHS uses speed momentum control and Gapping to support zone transitions and their related issues like aggressive opponents stepping up,no problems,we are focused on offence,if you are going to take one you might as well be swinging when it comes at you,there is always a chance you land first you know.And due to our systems cycleing nature we dont have a lot of guys cutting across east/west being knocked out with big hits.

I dont believe there is any concerns about size within our lineup if we use the NHS.

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#116 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 09:17PM
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I think the most important question here is, what does DSF have to think about the NHS?

Also... @ NewAgeSys you know you are not making yourself look credible or in a favorable light by ignoring to post any relevant links or sites to back your theory don't you?

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#117 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 09:23PM
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@NewAgeSys

Thank you for the response and (relative) brevity. What you are proposing is cycling and puck support - granted that is a simplistic summary.

My concern is that every attack is subject to a counterattack. Every "double team" results in an opponent on the other team being open.

But it is apparent you have spent more time on your system than I have spent on my marriage. Good luck.

I still think you may actually be Ron Wilson.

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#119 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 09:49PM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@newagesys

I guess what I'm struggling with is your constant claims that everyone's using your system yet no one is willing to claim they are or to support your claims. If I'm a head coach/GM and some maestro on a message boards comes up with a revolutionary system that causes my team to succeed, I hire him immediately. After all, he (you) is the master of the system.

Reminds me of bill James (I think) the stats nerd that the red sox hired.

Finally, how did you send LA the stats after every game? Or, how did they access that information?

If the Teams video coach is the transfer point of the data between me and the bench,and he neglects to clearly validate each and every single piece of data and every adjustment he gleans from the posts i made as Moma2 AND this data is eventually utilised by the bench after it is relayed through the Video coach ,then WE HAVE A PROBLEM,a communication breakdown,assumably accidental??But the result is the same----I am not ever validated as the source of this data,and there is no way for the bench to ask for more if they dont have their own direct conduit skipping the website and video coach,the speed of relay proved to be excellent in any case.Add to that that I was banned from the Oilers site for refuseing to stop posting system related data and individual player tactical advice and for repeatedly asking for validation from the Oilers management and for a job helping teach the NHS.

Toss in the fact that i stepped on almost every hockey traditional perspective and Oilers management toes trying to initiate action and attention to the NHS data I was posting,and the fact that i was at odds witht he website mods because I posted a couple of times requesting validation fom the Oilers from within the web community for my obviously documented contributions of NHS data and the mods immediatly posted behind me that ABSOLUTELY NO OILERS OR OILERS MANAGEMENT PEOPLE EVER VISITED THE SITE OR READ THE DATA ALL THE FANS POSTED AND TO STOP TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM ON THE SITE.That is absolutely strange,and of course i went ballistic,for goodness sakes to make such a silly assertation that no oiler player or Oiler employee ever visits the website is just nutty it is more over the top than my own claims.

To sum it up if you consider the situation in its totality,I had to kick the door in any way i could and present my data somewhere where I knew PLAYERS AND MANAGEMENT WOULD EVENTUALLY COME,I was well aware then as I am now that if the data was accurate correct and useable that the right hockey minds would decide that for themselves,I was left to watch games for my NHS data and tactics to show up first in individual players games ,distinctly,then in a group of individuals,then finally in the entire group as the year was ending,LAs evolution was much faster as Stoll had direct acess to Sutter but the evolution hybrid via NHS system adjustments and the context of them were exactly parelell to the Oilers implementation of the same data EXACTLY AS I POSTED IT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER,watch the last few games between LA and the Oilers and you will see two hybrid systems both adjusting themselves via NHS tactics,at the same time,and they give excellent examples of the effect of initating a system check-mate when you use an adjusted hybrid system.You will immediatly recognise the NHS influences in these games as being the catalysing factors for LAs entire cup run,there is more as I also provided data to several of LAs playoff opponents as well,the process of integration of my data into all of their hybrids was identical as were the results they all attained two were turning their series around after learning how to put LA into a system check-mate and thats documented online via GDTs and posts on their websites.

I am not clear on your question regarding sending LA stats?My initial posts were done on the Oilers site as Moma2 ,I had to make new names to join a couple of the team websites durein the playoffs so i could post on the GDTs live,the web names are all in my computer somewhere,I never returned to the sites after the series were over,no point.

Just google moma2 hockey Canucks or whatever moma2 is the key word to google those posts,but many although they contained relevant data were also intended to create situational dynamics beyond the moment so some are adversarial especially with Oilers management.Those posts were tactical pieces of the method I chose to use as a conduit to the Oilers so I could provide my NHS data to them.They did not reflect my personal opinions then and do not do so now--they were part of a creative communication platform I needed to create and maintain,that is all they are.

Actually I fully expected to be hired immediatly after asking for a job because I waited until there was no doubt my data was consistantly being relayed to the team and used in games in realtime,an intrepid Oiler can find out why I wasnt validated as the source of my NHS data.

And to tell you the truth,put Stolly on a poly-graph right beside Sutter and have them put their own Rings on the table and then tell us all that Moma2s data provided by Jarret Stoll even if he took credit is absolutely foreign to them and that they used NONE of it last year or ever,and if they fail they must give me both rings,because my friend I think I deserve two of them,besides the reason I provided data on the NHS to LAs opponents was because I also asked Jarret Stoll for a thank you and validation and he didnt reply,validation is obviously important to me.He owes me one.Please see that it is very easy to see this evidence of NHS implementation into the hybrid system in the game tapes,and it is especially easy to see individual players executeing NHS tactics as per my posts the very next game,the transition and origin of the change is clearly my data.many things I post are against the grain and against traditional mindset thinking,and naturaly the NHS system as a whole reflects my personality and vision because I am its creator so I see IMMEDIATLY when it shows up on the ice through a hybrid presentation.

I refused to telephone the Oilers office or mail a letter as the website moderators suggested i do repeatedly,after our spat over my not being allowed to post system specifc or individual player specific tactical data,after I was told to stop asking the Oilers for a job, and after I was told on a thread by a moderator that no oilers players or employees ever came to the site and that I should stop trying to contact them on the forum with my posts I insisted on open validation on the Oilers website where my data originated from,the rest is history.I wasnt budgeing and told them to ban me if they needed to .

I knew from day one all of my data posts would be recorded online in cyberspace,ultimately validation was inevitable ,like i said its a TSN show.

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#120 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 09:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Mike Babcock just called me. He has read what you have to say and he tells me he MUST have your phone number. Pass it along to me and I'll make sure he gets it.

Thanks in advance.

Did Babcock tell you that he read LT's post on what Eberle will score next year and tell you that he is out to lunch as well?

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#121 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 10:04PM
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So... I just googled moma2 and this is the site that I found;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread839767/pg2 (I would have linked it but I lost the sticky note on how to do it that stocc told me somewhere...)

After a quick scan through the website I found a whole lot of nothing and more importantly not a lick of data or credit suggesting it is being implemented by any major hockey sports team. So, while he talks the talk he has nothing to back the walk so to speak.

Something else I found interesting is this one comment, bad grammer aside, is what I think most of us have been thinking;

" reply to post by one4all Let's here your hockey resume, because any body with any hockey sense, aint reading your thread. It's a mash up of nothing,hell you night as well play with six forwards & no goalie. Put a board up in net and if you get it in the hole you get a goal. You have zero hockey sense, zero as in nothing, nathan nada. I want reply any further as I feel I'm argueing with a third grader."

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#122 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 13 2012, 10:16PM
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In dog days of summer, where hockey news are far from plenty, such an article (and comments) is a welcome breath of "fresh" air.

A somewhat sincere thank you to you, NewAge!

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#123 NastyNate
August 13 2012, 10:28PM
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@NewAgeSys

And i always thought Peter Popoff's miracle water was a scam.....

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#124 Quicksilver ballet
August 13 2012, 10:57PM
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Nothing you've posted here Newage leads us to believe you've reinvented the game.

Can you give us something,a trinkette from your program..... anything, something a little more than, just be the best team getting off the bus that day? With all this psychological mumbo jumbo you've suggested, it's like any beer leaguer could succeed if they use your 12 step program.

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#125 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 13 2012, 11:25PM
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I know what most of you are thinking: I have troubles reading accomplished authors; why the f*** would I devote 3 seconds of my "youth" to NewAge?

But I challenge you to read paragraphs 2 and 3 of comment # 104 (pretty much the only thing I read), and dare to tell me this is NOT a stupefying, and yet a remarkable, spoof!

Another bravo to you, NewAge!

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#126 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 11:27PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Can I start a petition for an IP ban?

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#127 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 11:31AM
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@newagesys

You want your data validated. What data are you referring to? I haven't seen any.

"I already mentioned the Oilers,Kings,and the LA playoff opponents who implemented the NHS on the fly last year.I even targeted the timeline when my data hit mainstream,with about 25 gms to go lst year,and was being implemented,I even listed games between LA and the Oilers where BOTH teams were learning to implement the NHS into their hybrid systems at the same time,both adjusting and executeing very very well."

Prove to me that they adopted the NHS and didn't just make adjustments (that are well-established and not revolutionary). This isn't a difficult task.

Prove those teams adopted your system. How did they get the info/data?

Prove those teams adopted your system. When did they stop telling their players to create time and space? How did they know to change their jargon to properly execute the NHS.

I'm getting a little disappointed that you've made not a single effort to prove any of your claims. It's no different than me claiming I've slept with every woman that Lowetide has ever included in his posts. If you're wondering how I slept with all of those celebs I can prove it. "Technically it is called 3 dimensional visualisation and anyone can do it with practice,but some of us are born professionals." And by the way, it's true. Prove me wrong. Oh wait, for you to actually believe that statement, I guess it's up to me to prove it right. Right?

@tigerunderglass

"I have said in the past I could use the Farm team playing the NHS to defeat the Oilers regular NHL lineup in a 7 gm series,in 4 gms,but I always say WITH their coaches and communication system in place as it is"

The above now takes the cake.

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#128 The Soup Fascist
August 14 2012, 11:42AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

.... once you get in that Knight's head or get the Bishop off their game, they are incapable of doing more than moving one space backwards.

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#129 TigerUnderGlass
August 14 2012, 06:02PM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

Ha ha ha,i never really liked chess,my friend had to show me what every piece could do before our first game ,I learned what the pieces did in 20mins,lost a game to him,then two moved him,I realised I was lucky and refused the rubber match and never played another game in my life,but if you google chess two move win kasparov--you will see it was his favorite move.

I am serious about the applications of time and space concepts on that board,I just had to know what the pieces could all do to know their limitations then find the shortest route out of the game.End the game in as fast a time as I could and cover as little space with the men as possible to do this.

I wasnt really playing my friend I was playing the board and the dynamics of the game itself,my friend wasnt a focused concern the rest of the board we werent useing was.I wanted out of the game as fast as I could get there,so it was just a maze,like a puzzle as long as you see the parameters of the playing field and know the capabilitys of the pieces in all aspects,then its just a matter identifying the shortest route.This is what the NHS teaches players to do,to play the game from a new perspective.

I can't believe I'm engaging ....but that's not how chess works. Unfortunately you have to play an opponent.

Winning in two moves is everyone's favorite thing to do in chess, but it doesn't mean you get to do it against anyone without a debilitating brain injury...even if your name is Kasparov.

This whole discussion has passed so far beyond stupid that it's circling back around to awesome.

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