RNH: DOUG WEIGHT 2.0?

Robin Brownlee
August 12 2012 11:15AM

The Edmonton Oilers haven't had a player break the 80-point plateau since Doug Weight did it in 2000-01. The way I see it, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, who was eight years old when Weight accomplished the feat, will be the next – likely this coming season, the CBA willing.

It's been 11 seasons since Weight tallied 25-65-90 and the Oilers haven't had a player bump past the 80-point mark since then, although Jordan Eberle took a good run at it with 76 points last season and Ales Hemsky, who has breached the 70-point mark three times, had 77 in 2005-06.

While Eberle and Taylor Hall (if he can cut down on the number of headers he takes into the boards) are obviously candidates to join the 80-point club, I see Nugent-Hopkins, who had 18-34-52 in 62 games as a rookie in 2011-12, as the likeliest to achieve it first.

Nugent-Hopkins, 19, reminds me more than a little bit of Weight in terms of substance and style – he's smart, he's quick and shifty on his skates without possessing blazing top-end speed, he has excellent vision and anticipation and has a knack of putting the puck where his wingers can do something with it. And there's the number thing -- 39 and 93. If Weight is a distant memory for you, here's a video refresher

Those qualities aside, Nugent-Hopkins goes into 2012-13 with more firepower around him – Hall, Eberle, Hemsky and Nail Yakupov -- on the power play and as potential linemates than Weight ever enjoyed during his distinguished tenure wearing the oil drop.

WHAT'S REASONABLE?

In pegging Nugent-Hopkins for 80 points, I'm not talking about "Reasonable Expectations," as defined in the series Lowetide provides ON readers. That's a different measure – more of a bottom line. I'm talking about my expectations for the coming season – the top-end of what I believe Nugent-Hopkins is capable of as this point in his career.

I'm not using spreadsheets and a whole bunch (any) advanced statistical analysis here. The Bronte 5000, a Commodore 64 in the context of today's technology, is simply not capable of processing it.

In simple terms, if you project the 18-34-52 numbers Nugent-Hopkins produced in 62 games as a rookie -- .29 GPG, .55 APG and .84 PPG – straight across over 82 games, you get 24-45-69. Hey, Brownlee, that's not 80 . . .

Of course, it's not as simple as that and this is where my head begins to hurt – what about ice time, power play time, linemates, quality of competition, zone starts and all that other stuff (that goes into making an educated guess)? Insert sound of my brain flipping inside my skull here.

MY BOTTOM LINE

. . . While Nugent-Hopkins won't get as many protected minutes as he did from Tom Renney last season, he will certainly play more than the 17:36 he averaged last season as the clear-cut No.1 center right out of the gate under Ralph Krueger.

. . . I don't see anything unsustainable in the 13.4 shooting percentage had last season. It's not so high (Eberle was at 18.9) a marked drop-off seems likely and not so low that I see huge room for improvement.

. . . I think the Oilers will score more goals than the 212 (including shootout wins) they had last season. How many more? If a much-improved power play can stay in the top-10, I don't think 235-240 is unreasonable. RNH will be in on a greater share of those than he was last season.

Numbers aside, I like the way Nugent-Hopkins thinks the game and, like Eberle (and Weight), he has an understated competitive streak that drives him to prove doubters and critics wrong – the SIUTBOHC factor. Remember that fluke fall into the boards that cost him the Calder Trophy? Fuel.

On top of the ability to process the game and the I'll-show-you streak, Nugent-Hopkins is smart. I'm not concerned he won't be able to sneak up on anybody as a sophomore or that his name will be circled on white boards around the league. Yes, opponents have had a season to compile a book on Nugent-Hopkins. The flipside is he's had a year to size them up, as well.

Move over, Douglas. RNH is on the way. I'd bet sooner than later.

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#101 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 06:25PM
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@NewAgeSys

So... do you have a real name or something tangible that you can provide for us curious types that we can google to research your claims or are we all just supposed to believe in the words of some random internet guy on a blog?

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#102 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
August 13 2012, 07:03PM
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Newage Systems: The poster child of how to say absolutely nothing in 3000 words or less.

What a load of bunk.

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#103 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 07:46PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

You know Newage, i'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for you. How much time must've been wasted on this venture.

How is it possible to implement a broadbased system like you've dreamed up here when every players reflex/reactions/instincts will be different? Where does a team forced to use contractually obligated players sit in regards to strengths and weaknesses fall in all this, a team without a No.1 or 2 blueliner, a team with questionable goaltending, a team where the top 6 is a work in progress?

Do you have any actual acknowledgement that a pro hockey club has used your system exclusively and been successful with it. Did Daryl Suter send you a Stanley Cup ring as well?

The NHS implements its core value components by essentially removeing the bulk of the player workload and decision makeing and transferring it to the system where it belongs,there are many core values that address all of your concerns,heres a synopsis,"player reflexes/reactions/instincts"----we reduce the amount of movement players are required to execute through applying a guiding principal called "Conservation of Motion",we reduce the amount of energy players expend through "Conservation of Energy",we eliminate the responsibility of set play and defensive dynamics,replaceing them with a two phase cycleing approach,we keep all 6 men on the ice focused 100% on offence,we implement an iron grip on momentum through our unique Gapping tactic catalysed by the conservation guideing principals,and we are always ALL moveing in the same forward direction for 60mins.Even our bodie positions are always in a forward direction,our sticks are also tacticly integrated positionally into the cycleing we execute.The NHS implements a tactical shot management philosophy that dictates line by line this dynamic on a period to period basis,supported by pregame scouting of opposition tenders.

Reflexes,reactions,and instincts are all dynamics that can be controlled through transferring their catalysing dynamics back to the system itself,you dont need to use your reflexes to the max as much because the momentum is always on your side,your reactions are tailored because you are executeing a very forgiveing cycle in two phases,your instincts will not kick in so much when your individual decision makeing has been relinquished to the system,you will not be panicing,all of these things are directly connected to the shot as well,which again has become a system dictated dynamic,relieving the players of the responsibility of shot decision makeing allowing them to actually maximise all of these intangibles through a fast ,natural,instinctive release,of their shots at times when their opponents least expect it and times when the system has dictated them a quality opportunity,they NEVER have to pick their spots and have a SYSTEM RESPONSIBILITY TO ENGAGE OFFENSE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY VIA THE FIRST SHOT--as per the pre-planned tactical shot management the system dictates for each line every period--this is because system tactics are also based on anticipatory rebound aquisition and goaltender control.

There is no such definition as number 1 d-man or forward associated with the NHS,at all,the concept doesnt exist,traditional players positional mindsets are utilised as support for an abandonment of all defensive focus and planning,all the traditional defensive concerns are taken away from the players and returned to the system where they belong via the elimination of ALL set system plays in favor of a two phase offensively catalysed 5-man cycle.Because of our two phase cycle we always have the man closest to both sides of the puck no matter who has possesion and we also always have momentum and directional speed on our side via our gapping tactic and our upspeed zone transitions.

The NHS is the most forgiveing system I know of,it allows players to use their creativity more by relinquishing their mental workload and their physical workload by adjudicating a large portion of their individual system responsibilitys back to the system itself where they belong.No kidding,you skate less,burn less energy,posses the puck more,get hit less,hit more,touch the puck more as a group,shoot more and more relaxed and naturally,at system dictated moments which goalies and opposition dont anticipate because they are not traditional or "natural"shot positions.

The NHS was created with the skills of the average NHLer in mind and by design it allows these men to execute a superior systen catalysed by explosive and constant offence,puck pressure and momentum control,followed by lots of goals.

I believe the NHS could take the Oilers NHL roster playing their adjusted hybrid ,useing the Farm team only easily in a 7 game series.Probably only give them one game,and finish them in four---supporting their current coaches--it will be easy because they already have implemented NHS core values into their hybrid system on the farm,it would be fast track upgradeing.

I have definitive proof that LA used the NHS data I released,and also the Oilers and the farm team,and also several of the Kings playoff opponents I was online with.Proof is not easy to define--we need to establish that the teams stray from their historical reactionary movements and tactics in specific situations and then that they action another set of specific dynamics or actions in those situations,they must revert under pressure in consistant dynamics to exactly the NHS or I cannot claim any credit,we must do this because after all these are just hockey plays right?We need to establish consistant chronological order,and timeing of the implementation of NHS tactics to spite historical system tendancies.

No problem,just google the GDTs and watch a replay of the game on the right timeline as I was posting so you can see when and what and to whom I posted data and you can see the results on the gametape in real time identifying the reaction times between data posting and actual bench action on the ice,you can actually see it dramaticly improves as the season progresses and trust builds.

Remember my data was in large on the GDTs and I had no direct communication with anyone ---the Video Coach or some Oiler was online relaying my exact easily identifiable data,and adjustments to the Oilers bench whereupon the data was actually being implemented.Do you think the Video Coach was simply takeing my data and relaying it to the bench as if they were his own adjustments and data??Without telling anyone it was Moma2 from the Oiler website provideing NHS data and adjustments from his liveing room??You be the judge,I was banned from the Oilers site and they deleted many of my posts,because so many members quoted me so many times many of the posts are still on google.Come on man ,I won 50 bucks in my liveing room from my brother in law by uploading a specific play from a specific player---he picked the man and i found a relative dynamic and picked the on-ice play or action which the team and player initiated within minutes,exactly as I said,I removed all possible doubts and made 50 bucks.Which he later "borrowed"back??

There is enough proof for a half hour TSN special show,a regular Canadian fella sitting in his liveing room createing and promoteing a new unique pure unadultered offensive system of playing ice-hockey,designed in form and function for his favorite and Home team the Oilers,follow him as he joins the Oilers website and proceeds to establish a communications conduit through which he transfers NHS system data to anyone reading the posts.Watch as Oiler players learn of this new and superior system the NHS and begin to unofficially adopt it,see management eventually come round and begin to experiment,watch the arc-evil LA kings as they send a spy to learn this new and valuable data,see the spy return home and give the data to his king and then watch the king win a war and a cup with the data.See the Oilers begin to embrace the NHS as they watch the Kings rideing their Oilers NHS to a Stanley Cup.This is simply to much ,ha ha ha.

I have tons of GDTs from Oilers games,and some good reactionary ones from the Canucks site,who I got a great reception from the Super-mods from.Both the Oilers and Kings started to seriously implement NHS core values into their hybrids with about 25 games to go.Those last few regular season games we had are excellent ones to see two teams simultaneously adjusting their hybrid systems by adding NHS core value components,and those games have excellent examples of both teams initiateing a system check-mate on each other,those games EXACTLY emulate ALL of LAs cup run wins and games,and are the best examples of the documented obvious and paralell implementation of my NHS tactics from a traditional hybrid system platform.

You can also research the Canucks series,they were reacting immediatly after I posted data for them,they were in fact turning their series around step by step through the implementation of a system check-mate made possible by my provision of NHS data to them online.The Wings also listened very accurately,but not until they were terminal they showed a little to much loyalty to their in the face of serious losses and didnt use my data soon enough,actually they used just a bit then stopped and choked,then tried again and then they were also initiateing an EXACT version of a system check-mate like LA was also doing,vis a vis the Canucks series earlier.Perfect examples of the implementation of the NHS to the hybrid system on the fly with definitive positive results documented.

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#104 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
August 13 2012, 08:12PM
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My table saw gives me the that exact same catalysing dynamic effort everytime i turn it on NHS. You're dreaming if you think 18 players on the same team will show up every night and perform like this machine you've created here. Players don't show up every night of the 82 game regular season. On any given night, teams are fortunate if half a dozen players show up with enough pizz'n vinegar to overwhelm their opponent that evening.

Step away from your NHL2012 NHS, it's not a credible statistics based source to run an NHL team. Humans are flawed and prone to inconsistancies. Your program is missing the huge element of reality. With analysis like you've so kindly provided here, it's really important you don't quit your day job sir.

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#105 the big GRIGowski
August 13 2012, 08:30PM
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If you put half as much effort into your daytime job you'd be a bloody billionaire. Props for effort bud.

IMO - no system on the face of this planet (or any other planet for that matter) would make our current team a Stanley Cup contender.

That being said, I've only played and coached college basketball, have never played a game of hockey and was never offered a tryout with the All-Blacks.

You need to create a website to share your vision with the rest of the world because it's clear to me that your message isn't getting to the right people. C'mon, hosting's $100 a year and a dummy could make a Wordpress site.

Would you be so kind as to tell us who you really are so we can legitimize your knowledge and prowess in sport? Right now you're an anonymous (and passionate) fan who's making a lot of serious claims but hasn't backed any of them up with a single solid piece of evidence.

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#106 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 08:41PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

OK I will play along, New Age Sys. Here is a simple question. The Oilers appear they will have a top 6 comprised mainly of smallish, inexperienced but skilled forwards. Under NewAge Sys (shouldn't there be a trademark icon after that?), how would you deploy them for maximum effectiveness without getting squashed like bugs by the brutal top D's and bigger forward they will be facing?

Now the challenge, should you choose to accept it Mr. Phelps, is the following:

a) Your answer cannot include trading for Lucic, Couturier, Backes, et al b) PLEASE, keep the answer less than 500 words. Honestly, I have the attention span of a ...... sorry what were we talking about?

Simply have them execute the NHS as per system requirements.

The NHS is a possesion/transition system that is catalysed by a 100% 60min focus on offense,it is a momentum controlling system that maintains a forward direction and motion at all times,this is supported by a Gapped two phase cycle that eliminates the need for a defensive focus,the cycle allows us to have the closest man to the puck on both sides and the gapped cycle allows us to always have the first support man into the fray,allowing us to either double team or release one guy back into the cycle,best part is if a guy gets taken down everyone is already comeing in at high speed and the cycle just skips them and we continue with our pressure forward.We dont rely on set plays and we are constantly cycleing rink wide or half rink wide at two speeds high and higher,most contact comes out of a set defensive posture or is a result of supporting such structure,both our forwards and our d-men will accept less contact in both zones and will consistantly be the iniators of contact ,brief contact as they stick and roll back into the cycle.

Our players are NHL average i am guessing,180lbs and up seems close to me,certainly big enough to execute the NHS.

Gapping actually severely curtails hitting against us because remember we ALWAYS have a support man comeing or closeing on a teammate in the cycle,so hitting one of us soon proves to be a bad call either because you eat a shoulder from a man cycleing in at high speed every time or because letting yourself be eliminated from the play allows a high speed cycle to blow past you,remember the cycle never stops and acts as a full rink trap or rather produces the same basic result.The goals we will score over 82 games due to our cycle victimiseing opponents who allow themselves to be taken out of the play either by us or voluntarily through a hit on us will discourage teams from that approach,we have so much constant movement and constant offensive threat developing for teams to expose themselves repeatedly,and there is a limit,this is pro hockey so contact will be made,but I reassert that we will have the closest man to support the play from both ends at all times so we will also be in a position to run over guys who will not be prepared for the incomeing man off the cycles high velocity,the price is high from all perspectives and the NHS is designed to discourage such decision makeing by makeing other options more attractive,also by adjusting our Gapping to double team a specific aggressive d-man we can actually tacticly shorten the Gapping between the contact man with the puck and his cycleing in support man,letting him rip into the d-man after he has already hit the puck carrier with serious velocity and intent,call it the Hammer,and we initiate it as an offensive support tactic to maintain cycle integrity so we do it fast and hard.The NHS uses speed momentum control and Gapping to support zone transitions and their related issues like aggressive opponents stepping up,no problems,we are focused on offence,if you are going to take one you might as well be swinging when it comes at you,there is always a chance you land first you know.And due to our systems cycleing nature we dont have a lot of guys cutting across east/west being knocked out with big hits.

I dont believe there is any concerns about size within our lineup if we use the NHS.

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#107 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 09:17PM
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I think the most important question here is, what does DSF have to think about the NHS?

Also... @ NewAgeSys you know you are not making yourself look credible or in a favorable light by ignoring to post any relevant links or sites to back your theory don't you?

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#108 The Soup Fascist
August 13 2012, 09:23PM
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@NewAgeSys

Thank you for the response and (relative) brevity. What you are proposing is cycling and puck support - granted that is a simplistic summary.

My concern is that every attack is subject to a counterattack. Every "double team" results in an opponent on the other team being open.

But it is apparent you have spent more time on your system than I have spent on my marriage. Good luck.

I still think you may actually be Ron Wilson.

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#110 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 09:49PM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@newagesys

I guess what I'm struggling with is your constant claims that everyone's using your system yet no one is willing to claim they are or to support your claims. If I'm a head coach/GM and some maestro on a message boards comes up with a revolutionary system that causes my team to succeed, I hire him immediately. After all, he (you) is the master of the system.

Reminds me of bill James (I think) the stats nerd that the red sox hired.

Finally, how did you send LA the stats after every game? Or, how did they access that information?

If the Teams video coach is the transfer point of the data between me and the bench,and he neglects to clearly validate each and every single piece of data and every adjustment he gleans from the posts i made as Moma2 AND this data is eventually utilised by the bench after it is relayed through the Video coach ,then WE HAVE A PROBLEM,a communication breakdown,assumably accidental??But the result is the same----I am not ever validated as the source of this data,and there is no way for the bench to ask for more if they dont have their own direct conduit skipping the website and video coach,the speed of relay proved to be excellent in any case.Add to that that I was banned from the Oilers site for refuseing to stop posting system related data and individual player tactical advice and for repeatedly asking for validation from the Oilers management and for a job helping teach the NHS.

Toss in the fact that i stepped on almost every hockey traditional perspective and Oilers management toes trying to initiate action and attention to the NHS data I was posting,and the fact that i was at odds witht he website mods because I posted a couple of times requesting validation fom the Oilers from within the web community for my obviously documented contributions of NHS data and the mods immediatly posted behind me that ABSOLUTELY NO OILERS OR OILERS MANAGEMENT PEOPLE EVER VISITED THE SITE OR READ THE DATA ALL THE FANS POSTED AND TO STOP TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM ON THE SITE.That is absolutely strange,and of course i went ballistic,for goodness sakes to make such a silly assertation that no oiler player or Oiler employee ever visits the website is just nutty it is more over the top than my own claims.

To sum it up if you consider the situation in its totality,I had to kick the door in any way i could and present my data somewhere where I knew PLAYERS AND MANAGEMENT WOULD EVENTUALLY COME,I was well aware then as I am now that if the data was accurate correct and useable that the right hockey minds would decide that for themselves,I was left to watch games for my NHS data and tactics to show up first in individual players games ,distinctly,then in a group of individuals,then finally in the entire group as the year was ending,LAs evolution was much faster as Stoll had direct acess to Sutter but the evolution hybrid via NHS system adjustments and the context of them were exactly parelell to the Oilers implementation of the same data EXACTLY AS I POSTED IT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER,watch the last few games between LA and the Oilers and you will see two hybrid systems both adjusting themselves via NHS tactics,at the same time,and they give excellent examples of the effect of initating a system check-mate when you use an adjusted hybrid system.You will immediatly recognise the NHS influences in these games as being the catalysing factors for LAs entire cup run,there is more as I also provided data to several of LAs playoff opponents as well,the process of integration of my data into all of their hybrids was identical as were the results they all attained two were turning their series around after learning how to put LA into a system check-mate and thats documented online via GDTs and posts on their websites.

I am not clear on your question regarding sending LA stats?My initial posts were done on the Oilers site as Moma2 ,I had to make new names to join a couple of the team websites durein the playoffs so i could post on the GDTs live,the web names are all in my computer somewhere,I never returned to the sites after the series were over,no point.

Just google moma2 hockey Canucks or whatever moma2 is the key word to google those posts,but many although they contained relevant data were also intended to create situational dynamics beyond the moment so some are adversarial especially with Oilers management.Those posts were tactical pieces of the method I chose to use as a conduit to the Oilers so I could provide my NHS data to them.They did not reflect my personal opinions then and do not do so now--they were part of a creative communication platform I needed to create and maintain,that is all they are.

Actually I fully expected to be hired immediatly after asking for a job because I waited until there was no doubt my data was consistantly being relayed to the team and used in games in realtime,an intrepid Oiler can find out why I wasnt validated as the source of my NHS data.

And to tell you the truth,put Stolly on a poly-graph right beside Sutter and have them put their own Rings on the table and then tell us all that Moma2s data provided by Jarret Stoll even if he took credit is absolutely foreign to them and that they used NONE of it last year or ever,and if they fail they must give me both rings,because my friend I think I deserve two of them,besides the reason I provided data on the NHS to LAs opponents was because I also asked Jarret Stoll for a thank you and validation and he didnt reply,validation is obviously important to me.He owes me one.Please see that it is very easy to see this evidence of NHS implementation into the hybrid system in the game tapes,and it is especially easy to see individual players executeing NHS tactics as per my posts the very next game,the transition and origin of the change is clearly my data.many things I post are against the grain and against traditional mindset thinking,and naturaly the NHS system as a whole reflects my personality and vision because I am its creator so I see IMMEDIATLY when it shows up on the ice through a hybrid presentation.

I refused to telephone the Oilers office or mail a letter as the website moderators suggested i do repeatedly,after our spat over my not being allowed to post system specifc or individual player specific tactical data,after I was told to stop asking the Oilers for a job, and after I was told on a thread by a moderator that no oilers players or employees ever came to the site and that I should stop trying to contact them on the forum with my posts I insisted on open validation on the Oilers website where my data originated from,the rest is history.I wasnt budgeing and told them to ban me if they needed to .

I knew from day one all of my data posts would be recorded online in cyberspace,ultimately validation was inevitable ,like i said its a TSN show.

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#111 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 09:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Mike Babcock just called me. He has read what you have to say and he tells me he MUST have your phone number. Pass it along to me and I'll make sure he gets it.

Thanks in advance.

Did Babcock tell you that he read LT's post on what Eberle will score next year and tell you that he is out to lunch as well?

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#112 Wanyes bastard child
August 13 2012, 10:04PM
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So... I just googled moma2 and this is the site that I found;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread839767/pg2 (I would have linked it but I lost the sticky note on how to do it that stocc told me somewhere...)

After a quick scan through the website I found a whole lot of nothing and more importantly not a lick of data or credit suggesting it is being implemented by any major hockey sports team. So, while he talks the talk he has nothing to back the walk so to speak.

Something else I found interesting is this one comment, bad grammer aside, is what I think most of us have been thinking;

" reply to post by one4all Let's here your hockey resume, because any body with any hockey sense, aint reading your thread. It's a mash up of nothing,hell you night as well play with six forwards & no goalie. Put a board up in net and if you get it in the hole you get a goal. You have zero hockey sense, zero as in nothing, nathan nada. I want reply any further as I feel I'm argueing with a third grader."

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#113 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 13 2012, 10:16PM
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In dog days of summer, where hockey news are far from plenty, such an article (and comments) is a welcome breath of "fresh" air.

A somewhat sincere thank you to you, NewAge!

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#114 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 10:18PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Oops, my bad Soupy.

Appears to be a lot of hot air. Last time i checked the Oilers failed miserably against the Kings the last two times they played last season. Even with this all too important newage system locked down, apparently stolen from NHS and implemented, the Oilers still got blasted 4-1 and 2-1. Who the heck can we blame for that systems failure!

I think the word i used was the data was scalped off of the Oilers site by LA where I had posted it specificly for the Oilers.

I freely gave the data online to the Oilers as I created the system for the team,and wanted to share it.So it was given to the Oilers,at least what I released then was given,because the data was on an open forum and the Oilers wouldnt hire me to get the data off-line as I suggested I was forced to keep posting data in public to keep it streaming out.

It was through this dynamic that Jarret Stoll either of his own accord or by someones direction tuned in soaked up my data--he is quick study--and then went straight to Sutter and with 25 gms to go they immediatly began a seriousattempt to integrte NHS core values ito their hybrid system.

I say Jarret because he was the first King to clearly be useing NHS tactics at the mark of 25 gms left.I pinpointed him IMMEDIATLY the first time he engineered anNHS style zone transition.Then the Kings really worked the NHS into their hybrid executeing accurately and adjusting well.Right to the cup no team{without my intervention and provision of NHS data}was able to turn LAs adjusted NHS/hybrid at the gates.

And I was asking you to look at the GAME not the score,I want you to look at the zone transitions and the style of play both teams are useing,break down each offensive transition zone by zone and analyse them and look for commonalities between both the Oilers and Kings systems games and then those games similarity to EVERY game right through to the cup for the Kings.You need to also consider how both teams were playing systemwise ten games before the point where they began to use the NHS.You need a clear point of reference for the changes evolution so you need to do more video watching of prior games the opponents dont matter just how LA and the Oilers execute their hybrid systems without NHS input.we need a baseline.Then we can accurately analyse the games I originally directed you to.

I remember those two games tell us how the winning goals were scored in those games?Were the LA goals system induced or were they one-man hero type goals,individual efforts so to speak??Then remember how they were finishing games consistantly through the entire playoffs??See a commonality there?And remember as the NHS creator I only released partial system data on-line ,non-critiacal stuff I could easily integrate into the hybdid system without breaking anything down and complicateing the adjustment I tried to keep it simple and seamless.I protected the Oilers interest or potential interest in the NHS by holding back the bulk of my system data that is critical.So you see I NEVER showed the Oilers or LA online how to integrate consistant and effective offence into an adjusted hybrids system check-mate.I just showed how to jazz up a hybrids offense without sacrificeing any defence,and how to use that adjusted hybrid to initiate a system check-mate or a full rink trap.Not really pure NHS at all .just core value concepts of NHS added to a conventional hybrid system.

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#115 NastyNate
August 13 2012, 10:28PM
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And i always thought Peter Popoff's miracle water was a scam.....

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#116 NewAgeSys
August 13 2012, 11:18PM
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I asked the Oilers to take the iniative and contact me so many times it contributed to my being banned from their website ,I didnt expect a sudden acceptance,remember I had to raise a lot of Cain with management as an anonymous poster and at the same time keep the posts filled with NHS system data so players could read it and acess it,I was and am now well aware that contrary to the Oilers website Moderators repeated claims to the fans there Oilers players and Management do in fact visit the website,because it is nutty to suggest that none of them EVER without a doubt ever acess this cyber-resource.

I didnt expect a professional team to just jump up and endorse me without seeing positive results first,but I didnt expect to be sandbagged by a video coach or someone in the chain of data relay to the bench,obviously my NHS data was being implemented on the ice but no one was willing to officially validate me as the source in any way shape or form.This didnt suppress my NHS system data from getting out there,it just kept a wall up between me and the Oilers bench preventing the coaches from getting all my NHS data at once as I wanted to do---yet the stream of data I continued to provide continued unabated to the bench and into the Oilers hybrid system adjustments in fact the relay and reaction times from the coaches got faster,but there was still no validation.

My NHS has already been integrated into quite a few hybrid systems,Oilers,LA,and all LAs playoff opponents.So it has been tested and it has already supported a Stanley Cup winning team in the LA Kings.I say thats tested,officially recognised and credited is another story,that would take a team of people and a lot of frank honesty form a lot of hockey profesionals.

I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it.

I am still here promoteing the NHS and anyone who reads enough of my data will have to honestly admit there has never been a system like it ,anywhere.Only the Oilers 80s PP is comparable.But the NHS is a full complete 5 on 5 system.

I have been looking for a team to hire me and give this a go,I have hounded the Oilers on their website for two years.No response there.

Obviously as this systems creator I want to see it produce results,wins,points and more Stanley Cups.I am out here appealing for opportunitys to make this system an NHL benchmark or standard for ten years or more,it is what it is.My expectations were realistic two years ago and in my opinion I have taken leaps and bounds I hadnt anticipated because the internet was much more effective at disseminateing data than I thought it would be.

I am not off course at all.

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#117 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 13 2012, 11:29PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

Can I start a petition for an IP ban?

What? No! Everyone should experience this!

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#118 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 01:36AM
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@NewAgeSys

Three things:

1. Are we being punked? Seriously. If so, utter brilliance my man. Freaking epic.

2. We need evidence. Not, "I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it."

No wonder no one will answer your calls. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't provide a shred of evidence of your system actually working, or it being superior to those of thousands of coaches over the span of decades?

3. Send your data to Mr. Willis or Lowetide (the two major stat geeks on the site). Let them validate it.

I can guarantee that if either of them sees the value and brilliance in it, they will pass it on to exactly the type of people you are trying to impress or, at the very least, blog about your mastery of hockey strategy. They will give you credit for your work. Heck, you might even end up as a regular on NationRadio. Is there a bigger honor than talking with LoweTide every week? I think not.**

And once they've blogged it, you'll have your choice of teams to work for.

Your manifesto could spread so much quicker if the Nation ever updates their site with sharing options. Is this 1998? Is this site hosted by Geocities? Let me check my Netscape bookmarks.

Oh.....c...r......ap.....my.....28....8.....m...o....de...m...

***Maybe Wanye but he's too busy fantasizing about Ebs and Zuch to be bothered.

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#119 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 02:17AM
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The best part of this drama?

Everytiime I refresh I get to see the Nuge.

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#120 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 09:47AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Nothing you've posted here Newage leads us to believe you've reinvented the game.

Can you give us something,a trinkette from your program..... anything, something a little more than, just be the best team getting off the bus that day? With all this psychological mumbo jumbo you've suggested, it's like any beer leaguer could succeed if they use your 12 step program.

Yes,against the outdated "hybrid"system and the NHS adjusted hybrid system I think any minor league team or farm team would easily dominate,the NHS players just need to be of average size and physical abilitys in their sport,the sport as its currently played defines average size.

A team or an individual does not have to subscribe to traditional thinking to become dominant in a competative dynamic,they must manifest or engineer a series of repeated and interconnected dynamic situations ,all of which have the same catalyst and ultimate goal,or direction,the more times you stray from a straight line the higher the odds of a more complicated and long trip to your destination.As a competitor you must be able to identify the shortest most consistantly efficient path to each of this series of situational dynamics you must create,micro-dynamics is what they are called within the NHS.And they are a critical tactical core value of any offensive system.There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning.

I didnt re-invent hockey,I invented a new and dynamic offensively catalysed system of playing ice-hockey,a system unlike any other.

The mumbo jumbo is also known as winning attitude.

Tell me what you think of the NHS give me your analysis,because without questions you cannot learn how the NHS functions.Give me a scenario,something tangible to base an answer on.To learn you need to give me a way to validate the systems tactics and philosophys by challenging the system techniclly,or dynamicly.

I already know that your perspective will come from a "hybrid"system perspective,because that is the system most NHL teams play.

Question something specific,vauge claims of system inefficiency or other negativities are meaningless until there is a challenge that exposes core structure and function.

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#121 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 10:43AM
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@NewAgeSys

"There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning."

Sorry NewAgeSys but I'm clearly not intelligent enough to know what this means. Can you please be more specific and dumb it down a little for me? How do NHS players manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning using micro-dynamics?

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#122 TigerUnderGlass
August 14 2012, 10:55AM
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to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

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#123 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:06AM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

Three things:

1. Are we being punked? Seriously. If so, utter brilliance my man. Freaking epic.

2. We need evidence. Not, "I understand how you connect testing to validation,however as a visual thinker I have already watched it be superior thousands of times in full color video as i created it."

No wonder no one will answer your calls. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't provide a shred of evidence of your system actually working, or it being superior to those of thousands of coaches over the span of decades?

3. Send your data to Mr. Willis or Lowetide (the two major stat geeks on the site). Let them validate it.

I can guarantee that if either of them sees the value and brilliance in it, they will pass it on to exactly the type of people you are trying to impress or, at the very least, blog about your mastery of hockey strategy. They will give you credit for your work. Heck, you might even end up as a regular on NationRadio. Is there a bigger honor than talking with LoweTide every week? I think not.**

And once they've blogged it, you'll have your choice of teams to work for.

Your manifesto could spread so much quicker if the Nation ever updates their site with sharing options. Is this 1998? Is this site hosted by Geocities? Let me check my Netscape bookmarks.

Oh.....c...r......ap.....my.....28....8.....m...o....de...m...

***Maybe Wanye but he's too busy fantasizing about Ebs and Zuch to be bothered.

Thank you for the direction,as a matter of fact that is the type of spot I was hopeing to find.

I understand the absurdity of this dynamic,but then again have you ever seen video of Spud Web dunking a basketball?

I watch Americas Got Talent sometimes and am blow away,almost every show there is someone who is better at their trade than most professionals out there,real gems,that produce superior results with very little support system.

I never even played organised ice-hockey,in my life.

I couldnt coach my way out of a wet paper bag,not on my own,I dont have the knowledge base,or personal experience,thats not what I can do,all I need is an existing communication network and acess to the coaches,then I can show a team how to dominate useing the NHS,the system requires all the ingredients I cannot provide,and once its taught its taught,but I need ALL the people in their regulars spots working full out of their own accord as usual.

I have said in the past I could use the Farm team playing the NHS to defeat the Oilers regular NHL lineup in a 7 gm series,in 4 gms,but I always say WITH their coaches and communication system in place as it is.I am an adjuster--I do not have the qualifications to deal in anything more technical than dynamics,this is admitted fact--but none of these shortcomeings I apparently carry seem to have an impact on the system I created or the results it can put a team in a position to achieve.

And no I am not Punking you,ha ha ha.Epic mad brilliance??No way,just the way I see things, put it this way,I think soccer games should always be 8-5,every game,its IMHO impossible to not score this much with so many transitions and possesion changes,and space,it just seems unnatural to see low scoreing games in that environment.A system is based on philosophys that cumulatively work together to to catalyse specific sets of micro-dynamics in specific sequences consistantly,this is known as the winning formula.And the plays will always be like lego pieces going wherever the system needs them,but by design---we will ALWAYS recognise these plays,we need to see the order and timeing of the presentation clearly to identify system core values.

Just saying something like"those are just hockey plays from 20 yrs ago" or "can you give us proof that it works" these statements are vague and non-specific,of course my NHS contains all hockey plays in context all systems must--you need to identify weaknesses in how I utilise those 20 yr old plays before you can fairly question their execution and timeing in the NHS.The proof it works is evidenced when a team strays from its normal system and adopts specific and ordered NHS core values,then actions those adjustments and recieves consistant positive results,then maintains these NHS adjustments.I already mentioned the Oilers,Kings,and the LA playoff opponents who implemented the NHS on the fly last year.I even targeted the timeline when my data hit mainstream,with about 25 gms to go lst year,and was being implemented,I even listed games between LA and the Oilers where BOTH teams were learning to implement the NHS into their hybrid systems at the same time,both adjusting and executeing very very well.

Hopefully I can see this data validated here and just answer questions.

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#124 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:19AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

Ha ha ha,i never really liked chess,my friend had to show me what every piece could do before our first game ,I learned what the pieces did in 20mins,lost a game to him,then two moved him,I realised I was lucky and refused the rubber match and never played another game in my life,but if you google chess two move win kasparov--you will see it was his favorite move.

I am serious about the applications of time and space concepts on that board,I just had to know what the pieces could all do to know their limitations then find the shortest route out of the game.End the game in as fast a time as I could and cover as little space with the men as possible to do this.

I wasnt really playing my friend I was playing the board and the dynamics of the game itself,my friend wasnt a focused concern the rest of the board we werent useing was.I wanted out of the game as fast as I could get there,so it was just a maze,like a puzzle as long as you see the parameters of the playing field and know the capabilitys of the pieces in all aspects,then its just a matter identifying the shortest route.This is what the NHS teaches players to do,to play the game from a new perspective.

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#125 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 11:38AM
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the big GRIGowski wrote:

@NewAgeSys

"There also happens to be a mathematical connection that the NHS teaches players to utilise that is related to useing micro-dynamics to manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning."

Sorry NewAgeSys but I'm clearly not intelligent enough to know what this means. Can you please be more specific and dumb it down a little for me? How do NHS players manipulate their opponents body posture and positioning using micro-dynamics?

Good question and I have a great example from last years playoffs that LA took straight from the NHS book,It was provided for the Oilers but the Kings also used it.

When LA was entering the o-zone and then shooting the puck after a tiny delay from the top of the faceoff circel cross ice forceing the goaltender to make a toe save,do you know why they were doing it that way?

Forget about the obvious dynamics of the play and put yourself in the goalies shoes,now listen to me whisper in your ear that I am about to make you do something you dont want to do,because you see when that cross ice shot comes from that spot a tiny delay included,the tender has been given time to set his feet for the primary threat and he squares to the puck--angle his feet,then when the shot is delivered low post on the tenders right side --he is FORCED to turn his feet and he essentially freezes himself,and has very little reboud directional control because of the movement of his feet and the resulting body posture and mechanics.Now an up-speed winger comes flying in and recieves the rebound as if it is a perfect pass and burys it in the net.

This play was used over and over by LA because it was one of my first major NHS system tactics I released online.It may be just a hockey play,but its also a tactical decision within the NHS for many intangible reasons.

This elimination of the goaltender through the manipulation of his body positioning and posture through the creation of a series of micro-dynamics all culminateing in the goal off the perfect toe pass,is the example Ithink you are looking for.

Now go back and read the Canucks site posts and see how I gave them NHS data to counter this tactic,same with the Wings.

On this particular play the up-speed man comeing into the zone late also needs to focus on manageing a series of micro-dynamics as he approaches and enters the o-zone.He needs to angle out the d-man who will be in the middle with a feint or a fake to slide him over to the middle more or stutterstep him to keep that rebound off the tenders toe available and accessable.

The math part is simple that there are only so many directions and angles your body position will allow you to utilise at any given time--there arent that many and when players learn the total number they are not intimidated they have a more complete picture,then they learn to micro-manage their opponents body positions as a system reqirement to support offensive dynamics we want to develop turning a d-mans feet or head or body at the right time to syncronise a developing play this is the management of these micro-dynamics I talk about---we create them.

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#126 The Soup Fascist
August 14 2012, 11:42AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

.... once you get in that Knight's head or get the Bishop off their game, they are incapable of doing more than moving one space backwards.

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#127 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 14 2012, 11:57AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
to top it off in my second chess game ever I two moved an experienced player mostly because I understood the concepts of time and space as applied to a chess board and the capabilitys of the pieces

Unfortunately I missed most of this thread, but I wanted to note that the comment above is far and away my favorite from this thread and has been underrated by all of you so far. Please give this comment its due or I too will invent a "special" hockey system.

Brilliant!

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#128 Mulli35
August 15 2012, 01:41AM
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7 minute ABS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdWntqCLwg

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#129 NewAgeSys
August 23 2012, 06:14AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Mike Babcock just called me. He has read what you have to say and he tells me he MUST have your phone number. Pass it along to me and I'll make sure he gets it.

Thanks in advance.

Tell Mike Babcock that I would be happy to talk to him any time at all,and please pass on that I will not post my phone number here but will respond immediatly if he provides me with a number here that I can call,I apologise for the dynamic ,and I am serious about being glad to talk to Mike Babcock as I tried to do so dureing the playoffs and was unsure if I was able to get through until I saw him adjust his team.On another note to Mike Babcock,that was the fastest ,most crisp,execution of the NHS inspired hybrid adjustments I saw outside of the Oilers last year,I would have said outside of LA but Edmonton actually has it down better{players adding NHS core valuse in increments} ---and that was without the direct support of the coaches through a total systemwide adjustment like LA had last year.This shows me there is probably a top three communications base in his organisation in Detroit,those type of immediate and accurate and crisp adjustments to an entire system on the fly dont just happen,top three in the NHL communication wise in my opinion.

Robin,you can also leave a phone number or an e-mail address here if Mike Babcock is hesitant to directly open a line of communication here on-line,and I will reply ASAP.

After the amount of controversy my advocation of the NHS has created I cannot see the wisdom of posting my personal info online--but will respond immediatly if that step is initiated by someone else.

I also have this silly little validation issue that is a carry-over from past experiences,and seeing as that is my personal dynamic and not that of people interested in the NHS,I am at the present in a position where I must respectfully ask anyone interested to extend me the benefit of the doubt and to post their contact number online as part of my validation of the NHS chronological history.My requirement to defend the NHS regarding the validation of source issue is a forced dynamic that I am trying to eliminate permanently,not eliminate critique of or evolution of the NHS --just the validation of source issue.

And on a slightly more"be here-be now"moment ,I currently have a pay as you go cell phone with about 30sec of time on it,and my internet services are a going concern,but the band marches on,ha ha ha.

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