SIGNING THE FRANCHISE

Lowetide
August 14 2012 06:24AM

Over the next 24 months, the Edmonton Oilers management group will sign the future. How many years should they wrap up these kids? Is Taylor Hall--injuries and all--worth the risk of a 7-year deal? What does that do to Nuge negotiations a year from now? Should Jordan Eberle receive a matching deal?

At some level I imagine the Oilers' brass would have been perfectly happy waiting for the new CBA. Cost certainty, contract limits in terms of years, the list of possible advantages for ownership/management in the new agreement is substantial based on what the owners want from the players.

However, the signing of Jeff Skinner puts Edmonton in a situation where waiiting may end up making them look foolish. Negotiations are a two-way street, and if the Hall camp ends up signing a deal inferior to Skinner's under the new cba well that's a lot of possible discontent.

On the other hand, a deal signed now would also be susceptible to rollback should the new deal impose a lower cap limit. It's a sticky-wicket, as the British say.

WHAT TO DO?

My own feeling is that Hall is the one you secure this summer with a long term deal that could serve as an outer marker. Signing Hall to a deal similar to Skinner's gives Edmonton a chance to set the bar and then slot in Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov as their contracts become eligible for renewal.

WHY HALL?

He's the best player in the group of gifted forwards, already pushing the river against ever stiffening competition. I understand that his injury history is a concern, but Hall's signing sends a clear message to the young impact players on the club: the Edmonton Oilers are committed to you for the long term.

After getting Hall's name on a contract, the Oilers would have time to find a fair price for Jordan Eberle and perhaps establish the template for signing the Nuge and Nail Yakupov in future seasons.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Take it from an old guy who saw the glory days  and then watched all those young men leave town: it takes the wink of an eye to go from unknown quantity to an out of reach icon. There are only so many ways to cut the pie, and Edmonton management is blessed in one important way: their best player is also the guy whose contract comes due first. Meaning the club can sign him to a (say) 7-year, $44M contract and have that serve as their contract "line in the sand": no one goes beyond it.

If gathering all this talent and then keeping it for as long as possible is the plan, then now might be a very good time to sign Taylor Hall.

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#1 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 14 2012, 06:32AM
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i swear to gretzky if tambo bungles these deals up i will be so angry i will come up with my own new age system while sitting in my living room

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#2 book¡e
August 14 2012, 09:29AM
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It's after 7am, where is the Oilers Nation Art Gallery?

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#3 Woodguy
August 14 2012, 08:03AM
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Sage advice.

Its interesting that Rishaug reported on Gregor's show that the Oilers are talking to Hall's agents about an extension, but not Eberle's.

Perhaps the Oilers see it the same way?

I don't think you can sign Hall any cheaper than today, and I don't think Eberle won't be any more expensive than it is today.

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#4 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 08:26AM
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@Lowetide

While I agree that as of today Hall is their best player, I'm not sure that will be true two years from now. That title will be the Nuge's.

Hall - 7 years, 42million. Eberle - 7 years, 36 million.

Then in a couple of years when it's clear the Nuge is freaking epic:

7 years, 56 million.

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#5 BurkeTheTurd
August 14 2012, 09:49AM
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Lock up both Hall and Eberle. Similar deals, like Towes and Kane did. Give them both 6 or 7 years. I would be happy 36 for 6 years each or 42 for 7. Then nuge can sign similar deal in a year or two. Lets keep the stars around and build the team around them.

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#6 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 10:10AM
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Dman09 wrote:

I hate to burst all of your bubbles on here but the simple fact remains that as talented as Hall is and/or appears to be, he hasn't proven it yet. He's only managed to get 53 poinst thus far and has been injured both seasons. People rag on Hemsky because he is injury prone or on Gagner because he only get 45ish points a season. Crosby's cap is 8.7mill and your saying we should offer up to that much already for Hall, come on people.

Gagner and Hall are similar at the same time in there careers and Gagner was give a 3.2 mill contract. I think Hall is a better player, has cracked 50 points, better defensively and drives the play so he should get a larger contract. I think 4.5 to 5 mill for 3-5 years is very fair at this point in his career. If they want to go to 7 years I would put the max at around 5.5mill.

Gagner was on the up and up as well and people thought he was going to be the next big thing in edm putting 65+ points a season and look whats happened. If a player on the team deserves a 6 mill contract it would be Eberle yet people want to offer him less. Please consider the facts. You should only make what you earn not what you might be able to do in the future.

Did you really just go 2 paragraphs comparing Gagner to Hall?

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#7 DK0
August 14 2012, 10:11AM
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@David S

This profile picture is different than the normal David S... But there's only 1 other David S that shows up occasionally...

Hey guys! David Staples is here!

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#8 Dman09
August 14 2012, 09:26AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Im with OilDoug, Hall is the leader and should wear the C when the time comes. His never quit losing is not an option attitude is something I hope is contagious in the locker room.

Im hoping ST doesnt low ball the kid because of his injuries. I think Hall will change his game just enough to play at least 75 games per season from here on out.

I'd sign Hall to a 6mil deal with bonuses that could bump up his pay to 7-8mil/yr.

I hate to burst all of your bubbles on here but the simple fact remains that as talented as Hall is and/or appears to be, he hasn't proven it yet. He's only managed to get 53 poinst thus far and has been injured both seasons. People rag on Hemsky because he is injury prone or on Gagner because he only get 45ish points a season. Crosby's cap is 8.7mill and your saying we should offer up to that much already for Hall, come on people.

Gagner and Hall are similar at the same time in there careers and Gagner was give a 3.2 mill contract. I think Hall is a better player, has cracked 50 points, better defensively and drives the play so he should get a larger contract. I think 4.5 to 5 mill for 3-5 years is very fair at this point in his career. If they want to go to 7 years I would put the max at around 5.5mill.

Gagner was on the up and up as well and people thought he was going to be the next big thing in edm putting 65+ points a season and look whats happened. If a player on the team deserves a 6 mill contract it would be Eberle yet people want to offer him less. Please consider the facts. You should only make what you earn not what you might be able to do in the future.

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#9 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 10:53AM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I think it is funny that people think that points is the only marker for performance. I don't think there is any doubt in most GM's eyes or most scouts eyes that Hall drives the play and is the most complete player.

Eberle has better hands and Nuge has better vision, but Hall is the best of them at this point without doubt. He is the only one that has not been really sheltred and given the very softest minutes. I think they will all be great players, and it is debateable who will have the most points over their career, but I can guarantee you the one teams will fear playing against the most is Hall.

I would talk to him about leadership and how his contract will influence the others. If we overpay him we will have to overpay all of them and then our ability to surround them with a good supporting cast will be very limited. I would try to talk him into signing a 7-10 yr deal at 5 million a piece and I would acknowledge that this would be a discount in order to give us the best team possible. I would tell him his current value is probably somewhere between 5.5 and 6.

If he would sign that deal I sign him today. I would probably wait until the half way point of the season to talk to Nuge. If he is lighting it up again I ask him if he will sign a matching contract. If he regresses then maybe ask him if he would do long term between 4 and 4.5. I would look to sign him for a similar term. The longer we can get them locked in for at reasonable rates the more stable the team is and the more leverage we have in negotiating other contracts.

We're going to insult our young stars with offers of 5 and 4.5 million? Wow. Even Tambo's smarter than that. 5.5 is the absolute minimum we're offering Hall.

Don't forget people, it's still Edmonton. We're going to have to overpay to keep our stars. Pretty much everywhere else in the NHL, from a living standard, is a better option.

A Winnipeg Jet plays on my summer ball team and he says living in a hockey market (especially a small Canadian one) is hell. He can't walk out his front door without being mobbed. Can't go out for dinner, to a movie or even to the grocery store without it becoming a big deal. This wouldn't happen in virtually any of the American markets. You can't discount this when signing the stars.

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#10 the big GRIGowski
August 14 2012, 12:22PM
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DieHard wrote:

In 4 years will Klefbom and Schultz command 6M contracts? It's possible. That would make 6 players at a cap average of 6M each. That's 36M and possibly 1/2 the entire cap. Is that doable?

No, but neither is trying to sign these guys to 4 million a season.

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#11 John Chambers
August 14 2012, 06:36AM
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Interesting perspective, LT.

There's certainly a logical argument to be made in terms of keeping your franchise player happy and not pushing the negotiation too hard. In fact, I would be on board with up to a 10-year deal for Hall, but it's not my money. My rationale is that the Oil haven't had a player of his calibre since Messier, and if you're not willing to take risks to become an elite franchise, why bother at all.

Lock the fab four up, and sign 'em to a long term. You can afford to have one of them not pan out. You can't afford to have them depart.

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#12 Toro
August 14 2012, 06:36AM
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Hey good read, but was wondering say oilers sign hall to 6 yr deal does it start after his current entry level contract is over and having him locked down for 7 years or does it start this season and start counting against the cap now ?

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#14 OilDoug
August 14 2012, 06:48AM
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I think Hall is the leader of the group and the one the other 3 will look to as the leader of the team. I have no doubt that as soon as the "C" comes off Horcoff's jersey it's going right on Hall's jersey.

I am a little concerned that Hall's fearless and somewhat reckless style of play will hurt him in the long run. I love the way the kid plays but he needs to learn to protect himself. If moving him to center, similar to Messier, will do that so be it.

My thought is a 5-7 year deal at $6 million per season. Eberle and Nuge would slot in at $5-5.5 million per season.

Like everyone on this site I think the future is so bright for this team that they have to wear tinted visors on the ice but it all depends on Tambillini's ability to get these guys signed.

GO OIL!

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#15 OutDoorRink
August 14 2012, 07:22AM
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Give Hallsy 6M over 6 years. 7 tops. Then give Ebs and Nuge the same deals. 6 years, 36M dollars to win some Cups in Edmonton

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#16 a lg dubl dubl
August 14 2012, 07:31AM
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Im with OilDoug, Hall is the leader and should wear the C when the time comes. His never quit losing is not an option attitude is something I hope is contagious in the locker room.

Im hoping ST doesnt low ball the kid because of his injuries. I think Hall will change his game just enough to play at least 75 games per season from here on out.

I'd sign Hall to a 6mil deal with bonuses that could bump up his pay to 7-8mil/yr.

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#17 Guy Lafleur
August 14 2012, 08:04AM
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Max Pac signs for 4.5 mill avg over a6 year span , 31 goal scorer last year so how does that figure in is Skinner still the standard????

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#18 Peacecountry
August 14 2012, 08:15AM
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I thought the Max Pat deal was low, the Skinner deal high. Somewhere in between would be just about right.....

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#19 Zed
August 14 2012, 08:17AM
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Disagree on one point. There is evidence Hall may not be the best player of the bunch. If he's not, then that line in the sand must be crossed when signing the others. Now the team has no cap space to sign the youngest and potentially best of the bunch.

I forgot my crystal ball at home but signing the guy to a short term (2 yrs) and then locking up the other kids to long term deals may be the best option.

If Hall really is the jammiest of the jammers yeah you'll have to pay. But at least you'll have the rest locked up and Tambo can always put on his begging suit and plea for a home town discount.

Or he gets hurt again and I look like a smert guy.

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#20 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 08:19AM
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Sign Hall immediately.

You said it best LT, Hall likely wont be any cheaper then he would be right now. Eberle likely will be.

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#21 Woodguy
August 14 2012, 09:06AM
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Zed wrote:

Disagree on one point. There is evidence Hall may not be the best player of the bunch. If he's not, then that line in the sand must be crossed when signing the others. Now the team has no cap space to sign the youngest and potentially best of the bunch.

I forgot my crystal ball at home but signing the guy to a short term (2 yrs) and then locking up the other kids to long term deals may be the best option.

If Hall really is the jammiest of the jammers yeah you'll have to pay. But at least you'll have the rest locked up and Tambo can always put on his begging suit and plea for a home town discount.

Or he gets hurt again and I look like a smert guy.

What is the evidence that Hall may not be the best player?

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#22 Matt Henderson
August 14 2012, 09:21AM
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Woodguy wrote:

What is the evidence that Hall may not be the best player?

Is hurt all the time and scores less than Eberle...

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#23 Matt Henderson
August 14 2012, 09:21AM
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Woodguy wrote:

What is the evidence that Hall may not be the best player?

Hey look! Is that Nuge bench pressing a Volkswagon?!

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#24 AutoOiler
August 14 2012, 09:26AM
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Eberle lead the team in scoring the last two years. I think this may a draft pedigree thing. What does he have to do to prove he's the real deal. The Oilers owe him money they paid barker more for one year then Eberle for two. You want heart and soul you look no further than 14.

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#25 David S
August 14 2012, 09:46AM
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Has nobody here read the numerous articles stating Eberle is about to experience a pretty steep regression in points production?

Why lock him up now when we can get him dirt cheap next summer? HIS BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM!!!

#Sarcasm

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#26 Concur
August 14 2012, 10:14AM
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If anything it should be Eberle for Captain when they push Horcoff out the door.

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#27 Cody anderson
August 14 2012, 10:17AM
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I think it is funny that people think that points is the only marker for performance. I don't think there is any doubt in most GM's eyes or most scouts eyes that Hall drives the play and is the most complete player.

Eberle has better hands and Nuge has better vision, but Hall is the best of them at this point without doubt. He is the only one that has not been really sheltred and given the very softest minutes. I think they will all be great players, and it is debateable who will have the most points over their career, but I can guarantee you the one teams will fear playing against the most is Hall.

I would talk to him about leadership and how his contract will influence the others. If we overpay him we will have to overpay all of them and then our ability to surround them with a good supporting cast will be very limited. I would try to talk him into signing a 7-10 yr deal at 5 million a piece and I would acknowledge that this would be a discount in order to give us the best team possible. I would tell him his current value is probably somewhere between 5.5 and 6.

If he would sign that deal I sign him today. I would probably wait until the half way point of the season to talk to Nuge. If he is lighting it up again I ask him if he will sign a matching contract. If he regresses then maybe ask him if he would do long term between 4 and 4.5. I would look to sign him for a similar term. The longer we can get them locked in for at reasonable rates the more stable the team is and the more leverage we have in negotiating other contracts.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 10:17AM
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BurkeTheTurd wrote:

Lock up both Hall and Eberle. Similar deals, like Towes and Kane did. Give them both 6 or 7 years. I would be happy 36 for 6 years each or 42 for 7. Then nuge can sign similar deal in a year or two. Lets keep the stars around and build the team around them.

Agreed, Turd.

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#29 BurkeTheTurd
August 14 2012, 10:21AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Agreed, Turd.

Also I would probably ask horc to sign a 7 year deal for 49 mil, just to make sure we have our 3rd/4th line centre here for the cup runs..haha

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#30 Dman09
August 14 2012, 10:26AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Outlining the importance of offering reasonable contracts otherwise you end up with at Horcoff situation. While providing evidence to indicate why a huge over pay isn't required.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 10:45AM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I think it is funny that people think that points is the only marker for performance. I don't think there is any doubt in most GM's eyes or most scouts eyes that Hall drives the play and is the most complete player.

Eberle has better hands and Nuge has better vision, but Hall is the best of them at this point without doubt. He is the only one that has not been really sheltred and given the very softest minutes. I think they will all be great players, and it is debateable who will have the most points over their career, but I can guarantee you the one teams will fear playing against the most is Hall.

I would talk to him about leadership and how his contract will influence the others. If we overpay him we will have to overpay all of them and then our ability to surround them with a good supporting cast will be very limited. I would try to talk him into signing a 7-10 yr deal at 5 million a piece and I would acknowledge that this would be a discount in order to give us the best team possible. I would tell him his current value is probably somewhere between 5.5 and 6.

If he would sign that deal I sign him today. I would probably wait until the half way point of the season to talk to Nuge. If he is lighting it up again I ask him if he will sign a matching contract. If he regresses then maybe ask him if he would do long term between 4 and 4.5. I would look to sign him for a similar term. The longer we can get them locked in for at reasonable rates the more stable the team is and the more leverage we have in negotiating other contracts.

Cody, these guys aren't giving up a pile of UFA years for 5 million... not to mention 4 - 4.5 for RNH.

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#32 LOIL99
August 14 2012, 10:48AM
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@Lowtide Do you know if there is usually a NTC or NMC attached to these longer term second contracts?

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#33 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 10:50AM
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Dman09 wrote:

Outlining the importance of offering reasonable contracts otherwise you end up with at Horcoff situation. While providing evidence to indicate why a huge over pay isn't required.

You can't follow up a post comparing Hall to Gagner with talk about being reasonable.

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#34 bardfromedson
August 14 2012, 10:52AM
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@OutDoorRink

why overpay? i know its the oiler way but if they give hall 7 mill on his second contract they will be overpaying all the kids and be up against a lowered cap in no time with no money to sign anyone else. the standard should be tavares and toews,not a knee slap deal that is skinners. you can lock up all the kids for 5 year deals at 5.5 million. thats fair and gives the oilers room to sign others. they won't be winning the cup with the 4 studs up front if there all making 6 plus and no room for anyone else.

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#35 Dman09
August 14 2012, 11:11AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You can't follow up a post comparing Hall to Gagner with talk about being reasonable.

I also compared them to Crosby and Hemsky so whats your point?

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#36 Pat Hughes ruled
August 14 2012, 11:11AM
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I would consider RNH the gold standard. Wingers are easier to find than a #1 center. Hall has already had numerous injuies compared to Ebs and RNH. Hall's decision to put off surgery on his shoulder shows a lack of forward thinking.

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#37 a lg dubl dubl
August 14 2012, 11:14AM
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@Dman09

Yes Hall hasn't played more than 65 games, but like you said he got 53 points in that time frame, thats a tad below a point/game clip.

I do agree that the length of his next contract shouldnt be more than 5 yrs, but I also added bonus $$ to push it upwards of 7-8mil so if he didnt hit those bonus' he wouldnt be paid as much as Crosby.

I do think Hall while change his game as I said before so he can play closer to the 82 game mark( barring illnesses and whatnot).

A slight over payment at 6mil isnt really that much.

I think Eberle should be paid the same as Hall imo as should RNH when the time comes.

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#38 bdiddy18
August 14 2012, 11:24AM
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Can't remember where I saw the comment but the gist of it stuck with me since - when measuring Hall at the combines and then again at Oilers training camp it was said that Hall will be a beast when his body catches up to his skill level.

I'd take the opportunity to invest at 5.5 - 6 mil right now for what could cost you 7-8 later if you wait. The point production and health issues can be used in a positive light too, he has been hindered by them so he might be open to a less amount now than later when all of that is settled.

but I'd sign both Hall and Eberle right now, Nuge next year and establish the No. 1 line for the next decade - all making similar money

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#39 DieHard
August 14 2012, 11:52AM
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In 4 years will Klefbom and Schultz command 6M contracts? It's possible. That would make 6 players at a cap average of 6M each. That's 36M and possibly 1/2 the entire cap. Is that doable?

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#40 vetinari
August 14 2012, 12:22PM
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I have no issue with signing him to a long term deal, just don't go crazy with the NMC/NTC's so that you can move him if things don't work out.

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#41 Mark-LW
August 14 2012, 12:38PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I think it is funny that people think that points is the only marker for performance. I don't think there is any doubt in most GM's eyes or most scouts eyes that Hall drives the play and is the most complete player.

Eberle has better hands and Nuge has better vision, but Hall is the best of them at this point without doubt. He is the only one that has not been really sheltred and given the very softest minutes. I think they will all be great players, and it is debateable who will have the most points over their career, but I can guarantee you the one teams will fear playing against the most is Hall.

I would talk to him about leadership and how his contract will influence the others. If we overpay him we will have to overpay all of them and then our ability to surround them with a good supporting cast will be very limited. I would try to talk him into signing a 7-10 yr deal at 5 million a piece and I would acknowledge that this would be a discount in order to give us the best team possible. I would tell him his current value is probably somewhere between 5.5 and 6.

If he would sign that deal I sign him today. I would probably wait until the half way point of the season to talk to Nuge. If he is lighting it up again I ask him if he will sign a matching contract. If he regresses then maybe ask him if he would do long term between 4 and 4.5. I would look to sign him for a similar term. The longer we can get them locked in for at reasonable rates the more stable the team is and the more leverage we have in negotiating other contracts.

Ya, an agent will definitely let his client, first overall draft pick RNH, sign a 10 year 45 million dollar deal.

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#42 Hammers
August 14 2012, 01:08PM
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Deal with what we know now . Hall is #1 Ebs #2. Nuge & Yak still a couple of years to decide . They should go after Hall for a minimum 7 year deal probably $45 mil . I would sign Ebs to a 4 year $23 mil deal . You need time to figure out Hartski & Magnus but hope you can get them for $3 mil or a bit less if they prove what we all hope for this year . My point is you don't want all these contracts coming up at the same time .7 years for Hall maybe a gamble but one we need to take.

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#43 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 14 2012, 01:32PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I also compared them to Crosby and Hemsky so whats your point?

You compared his injuries to Hemsky

You compared his proposed contract to Crosby

You compared his production/ability to Gagner

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#44 Pucker
August 14 2012, 01:41PM
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Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Schultz, Yakupov . . . isn't it great having some players that any other team in the world would want?

. . . it's been a few years.

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#45 Cervantes
August 14 2012, 02:51PM
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Given how these guys compare to Max P and Skinner, everyone is realistically looking between 4.5 and 5.5 a season for a deal that takes them through to their mid/late twenties.

By the time Schultz and Klefbom come due, assuming they're both bona fide prospects deserving lots of cash, we'll know which one of the kids is the weakest of the bunch, and I'd expect him to get moved. Either that, or in a few years they'll all be great and he sky will be expendable. Either way, I don't see upcoming cap as too much of an issue. These guys are not getting a 10x10 deal.

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#46 Dog Train
August 14 2012, 05:20PM
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The 'line in the sand' concept is interesting as it's similar to what Detroit with Lidstrom. I agree that Taylor Hall is our franchise player and while the contract is more of a projection than anything, I feel like his value is as low as it's going to get. Sky is the limit for him.

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#47 NewAgeSys
August 14 2012, 10:06PM
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Nuge makes everyone around him better,bar none,because he manages the ice surface better than everyone else and he is a center,he is our Franchise player,and it should be simple to sign the rest as they are aware of this,and with this core obviusly the first guy to get pushy and rock the boat salary wise is history no matter who he is,right now we could trade any of our big four and still be a future powerhouse.

Dollars are dictated by league standards,so really its not complicated,the length of the deals is the kicker,but remember the more off-base the deal the higher the likelyhood of that contract being tagged as a future trade before it is even signed??Players need to be careful that they dont decide their destinys with dollars they wont really care about if they are 15 yr vets who have never made the playoffs.

In terms of what they already have put on the table,Sam Gagner is my biggest surprise,he has been the biggest enigma I have ever seen in Edmonton ,he took one for the team on his one year deal,and allowed the Oilers to dump him into the "prove yourself and we will pay you"category again,but he is a key and core player here,I think he will score 30goals and 30assists minimum this year,and the goals are what the team needs from the 2nd line the most.

We will in my opinion see Sam with a C on his chest as an Oiler ,I felt that after his second year,more after his third,and today even moreso.I predict he will begin to produce multiple point games on a regular basis and will continue to do so for his career,I believe his defensive conditioning is over and he is ready for his next evolutionary step as a player which so happens to be offense and goal scoreing.He is in an opposite dynamic to most of our young core players,who have been showing mostly their offense since they broke into the league,because we asked them to,but the reality is that Sam Gagner is a one-of-a-kind player on our team,he carries the facets Horcoff carries and he is so young,and really he makes Horcs redundant.Like Potter does with Whitney.So Sam and his development play into this equation enough to be mentioned.

This is becomeing a challengeing team to manage and it is a good thing we are so deep in the management department,from Kevin Lowe right down we are loaded with top level professionals,they look to be capable as a group and should sort this out ASAP with minmal problems.

I think Hall will demand a shorter length because he wants to be a leader,a Captain,and he will not be happy if he gets logjammed behind Sam and Nuge ,he is like mess but is more goal orientated less task orientated Hall already knows what he wants to be,Mess figured it out along the way.Hall will ask for 5 yrs,no more.

Nuge will be a long term maybe 10 yrs.

Ebbs will be interesting because of what he has done so far,I think he will go with the same as Hall 5 yrs.Hall wants to be a captain and Ebbs is very happy being a hired gun--they already seem like a two-fer-one deal.Together they could catalyse a sucessfull team in 5 yrs or so.

Gagners next deal will be a long one maybe six years.He is staying here.

Yakupov will be a swing vote in our teams future because he will be in a great spot to decide his fate ,he can either stay with Sam and Nuge or split with Hall and Ebbs if they decide to go it on their own.

If we can make the playoffs this year,and compete within three years on a high level we should win a cup soon enough to keep everyone here past that 5 year wall.if we dont at least see deep playoffs,we will see some alpha personalitys move to where they can win.Money or not.

If we can establish a dominant system of play here it will help keep players here,we need to find a way to keep them all happy and evolveing,we need to produce a tremendous amount of opportunity and we need to spread it around every night.We need the NHS.

Sign Nuge for 10yrs,show Hall the wisdom of 5yrs and also Ebbs,let Yakupov decide his own fate Russians like that feeling they play better and with more passion if they are in control of everything includeing intangibles,sign Gagner for six yrs so he can work with Nuge until he is ready to take the C and carry the team.Or maybe Hall or an unknown will have naturally taken the leadership role from them both before his 5 yrs is up and the entire dynamic changes.But we need to leverage these possibilitys.

And finally since the Oilers are so famous for their collaborative round table discussions with management,why dont they invite their core players to an informal round table discussion together and just ask them what they want,after all as team management arent they supposed to be satisfying the needs of their players as a group as well as as individuals,with both sets of dynamic concerns accounted for.Opportunity is what all these studs want and management needs a way to sell that to them and then to deliver on the sale.

What kind of opportunity studded-carrot can the Oilers dangle in front of these players to keep them focused on the same career goals together???Moneys not enough and neither are NTCs.We cant even give them playoffs yet,so what exactly can we give them?Maybe the round table discussion would give them control over their futures on a level like no other NHL team has ever seen,a round table meeting of everyone at Katzs house where all gets done in a day and a night.Keep agents and any formal team negotiating reps out,and just sort it our by ONLY listening to the players as a group,only considering their needs,and empowering them all like no other NHLers,we need to give them something that is on the level of what they give us as a group and assign value to that decision to stay together as a group.This needs to be players and owner,with a policy maker--not a negotiator onhand to enact the owners wishes as per his understanding of what his men want and need to put them in an elite category amongst their peers.At the end of the day its him and them anyways.Cut out the middlemen dureing the decision makeing process then officially let them make their buck after the real work is done instead of actually involveing them in the real work,make them well paid figureheads and just get business moveing along.

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#48 Reg Dunlop
August 15 2012, 02:30AM
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@NewAgeSys

Wow. I tried to digest that thesis, I really did, but it was so damned long. Stan Ganger the captain? Instead of Hall??? Honestly, and this is just my pet peeve, does the word 'orientated' become even more powerful than 'oriented' with the extra syllable at the end?

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#49 Mumbai Max
August 15 2012, 08:48AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

i swear to gretzky if tambo bungles these deals up i will be so angry i will come up with my own new age system while sitting in my living room

Yes, but will you be able to write 24 breathless paragraphs a day about it for the rest of your life?

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#50 Mumbai Max
August 15 2012, 08:49AM
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matching contracts

7y x 6m

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