SILK PURSE

Lowetide
August 18 2012 07:34AM

Amid the gasps and shudders inspired by the glorious #1's and the gifted man-child Eberle, the kingdom of Sweden gifted Edmonton with a sturdy lad with speed to burn.

FAMOUS PROSPECT

Talking to most Oiler fans about Magnus Paajarvi, you get a mixed bag. On the one hand he’s an absolute rocket on skates, so fast he can exit his own zone late and catch up to the play in plenty of time to join the party. On the other hand, he’s a little shy in some of the physical areas of the ice and doesn’t use his body like you’d like him to; he’s also quick to exit the scoring zones and cheat for defense. His background (he played defense as a younger player) lends itself to playing without the puck and that might lend itself to filling that Pisani-Grier role for the Oilers.

We talked about Paajarvi's two NHL seasons here, and I suggested Paajarvi is way too young for us to make sweeping statements. He may end up being a complementary player on a line with the Nuge or Hall or Eberle and he might end up manning the point on the PP ala Rene Robert and Fred Stanfield thousands of years ago.

ZONA

Derek Zona is an outstanding observer and innovator who hangs out at Copper and Blue and NHL Numbers, and has given us some truly insightful information over the years. When Derek talks, it is wise to listen. In one of his latest articles that features some numbers that should make everyone warm and fuzzy about Taylor Hall (and Ales Hemsky), Derek writes the following about Magnus Paajarvi:

  • Zona: Magnus Paajarvi was beaten by bad luck last season, but won the territorial battle. Compare his results to anyone else facing third-line minutes and the contrast is stark. If the Oilers want to be a competitive team, they need Paajarvi on their roster - not anchors like Petrell, Hordichuk and Eager.

We identified some good things here in April but Derek takes those numbers and shows us a different way of looking at things--and I think a more effective way. In the middle of a season that saw him spend time in the minors, Magnus Paajarvi was a blueboy, a possession winner. The Vollman Sledgehammer graph bears out the same information, and Derek further pushes Paajarvi's case here.

VOLLMAN'S SLEDGEHAMMER (OILERS EDITION 11-12)

Notice Paajarvi in blue? He's pushing the river, surrounded by boats with holes. That's Derek Zona's point on Paajarvi, and it is something we should pay attention to now. Why? because if Paajarvi rips it up in a new town and you say "well he didn't show anything in Edmonton" we can refer back to these writings and graphs and prove that he was showing well despite the boxcars.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

 

The Oilers are overflowing with young forward talent, but no team can afford to overlook quality. I think Paajarvi has the look of a quality 2-way winger, and Zona believes in him even more--suggesting  a top 6F role may well be in his future. Magnus Paajarvi is an important part of the Oilers future.  

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  • Derek Zona, who will defend Magnus Paajarvi against the slings and arrows of non-believers; tell us about an enormous 30-team project underway at NHL Numbers and walk us through the Copper and Blue's Top 25 under 25.
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  • Guy Flaming  is the co-host of the best prospects show on the planet. We'll talk Hlinka, Oil Kings and 2013 draft.
  • Jonathan Willis will drop by and we'll talk Oilers and how they might solve their blue and goalie woes; the lockout and how the stats guys and girls are going to tackle next season.
  • Corey Graham, pbp man for the Edmonton Oil Kings on Team 1260. No matter what happens with the CBA, the Oil Kings roll and very soon. We'll set the stage with Corey today.

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#1 Wax Man Riley
August 18 2012, 10:22PM
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@NewAgeSys

Nobody is buying into your system, bro. Please stop.

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#2 Cleatis14
August 18 2012, 08:26AM
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I can't be the only person who has wondered this, and call me crazy if I am; but I have said since his rookie year, isn't Paajarvi ideally suited to be a center. As Lowetide says, he has the speed to be the last guy to leave the defensive zone and not be late to the party in the O zone. His defensive mind and hard work in his own end are good center quality's; just poke him with a sharp stick for 15 minutes before every game to up his battle level and we may have that big center we've waiting for.

Again feel free to call me crazy.

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#3 Dipstick
August 18 2012, 07:49AM
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There is too much quality in terms of skills and attitude for this kid to be a bust. I am very confident that he will find an important place on this team........or another.

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#4 Quicksilver ballet
August 18 2012, 12:03PM
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Derek Zona must be on the Dope again....

The Oilers are already one of the softest teams in the league to play against. Sure, add another marshmallow in Paajarvi and drop guys like Eager and Hordichuk.

Where do they keep coming up with guys like this Zona kid. He's the anchor in this equasion. Wash your lips Derek.

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#6 James
August 18 2012, 09:27AM
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Take a look at Copper N BLue's Top 25 under Top 25, particularly the specific voting by the different panelists. You'll notice Derek Zona thinks Sam Gagner is a better prospect than Jordan Eberle. Make your own judgments if you think it's wise to listen to him, folks.

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#7 tileguy
August 18 2012, 09:28AM
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I get so PO'd listening to the Hemsky traders, give this man a chance. He is healthy, full healed (we are led to beleive) and has led this team in ppg playing with slugs. Now he has the talent to play with, my prediction is he will lead the team in points. Lets give him the year to showcase his talents playing with that 5 mil in his pocket, it could be a squeeeee type of year from another silk purse.

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#8 nunyour
August 18 2012, 10:27AM
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tileguy wrote:

I get so PO'd listening to the Hemsky traders, give this man a chance. He is healthy, full healed (we are led to beleive) and has led this team in ppg playing with slugs. Now he has the talent to play with, my prediction is he will lead the team in points. Lets give him the year to showcase his talents playing with that 5 mil in his pocket, it could be a squeeeee type of year from another silk purse.

how long should we wait? the high priced guys have to be your best players,and they have to play,injuries aside,there is 15 mil a year tied up in hemsky,horcoff and whitney,how's that working out for the oilers?

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#9 Quicksilver ballet
August 18 2012, 01:17PM
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@Rama Lama

Getting off the bus with the better team means you have a better coach, ala Glen Sather. Coaches hope to succeed by incorperating a team/systems play when there's little/no talent to deal with, it's been a constant since 1917.

Paajarvi had plenty of opportunity in the top 6. Gift wrapped a roster spot in 10-11, he didn't make the most of it, that's why he ended up in the bottom 3 or 6, or in the AHL. He's had the same opportunity to be successful as the rest of these kids. Hall,Eberle and Hopkins made the most of their opportunities, stop making excuses for the one dud in the bunch.

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#10 WheresYourTowel
August 18 2012, 06:23PM
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I feel so GOOD when Mags scores.

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#11 Wax Man Riley
August 18 2012, 10:29PM
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PRV was exactly where he belonged last year: In OKC. At only 21 years old, it is not a big deal to develop in the farm. That is what a "farm club" is for. You cannot expect a 21 year old to come in and blow the doors off unless your name is Eberle or Crosby.

Let him mature. Let him develop. No need to rush at all.

For those that say Renney mishandled him (as he did Omark, SMH), give your heads a shake. Would you rather see PRV over Hemsky? Eberle? Hall? Even Smyth with the age on his play was a better option. You cannot drive play by skating in and floating a puck into the goalie's chest.

In OKC he has the chance to be playing a lot. Not grinding it out on the 3rd line. If he is to make this club, he has to do exactly that... make the club and prove he belongs. That is what depth in an organization looks like. Top teams do not hand rookies minutes because they have rose-coloured (or Oilers-coloured) glasses on.

Ditto for Omark.

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#12 pelhem grenville
August 19 2012, 06:34AM
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if i may...in the OLD AGE SYS that is hockey as a fan y'drop the puck watch and get off like crazy on the wonder that is Oiler hockey...our rookies won't be rookies for very long but they were picked as bpa's and they all have unreal potential...so if one of them plays like a boy among men and needs to spend a lot of time learning how to play mans' hockey via the minors so be it...PRV could be a late bloomer but he...imo...should buy some tin foil, spend[lotsa]time in OKC with others like Hartikanen and Pitlick so when the time comes to contend they will ALL be 'ready to contend' aka the Detroit model...PRV has it all except valuable experience playing the NA game... the light bulb has obviously not gone off yet for him...he has not yet had his 'ah-ha' moment...he can only get to rip up the AHL,and he could,if he's there...not here

OR...will *GM MacT make him the centre piece of his first trade to get the top 4 Dman we still so desparately need...

*winnkwinnk

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#13 yawto
August 18 2012, 07:46AM
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If some of these other picks can mesh with the fist overalls, dare I say our blessed team can possibly be enroute to a second dynasty.

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#14 WhattaMike
August 18 2012, 07:48AM
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It's a great read LT. Paajarvi is quite the talent.

However, it's becoming a numbers game as long as Hemsky is here, IMO. If Hemsky was traded then Yakupov could move to his strong position and the door opens for Paajarvi to gain momentum and playing time on the top 6.

The lines could then be of:

Nuge, Eberle, Yakupov, with Gagner, Paajarvi, and Hall...or a lest a mix of this.

But also, Paajarvi has to build on shootingand going to the net harder as well. Defensively, he is already decently better than most of the Oiler forwards out there.

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#15 Mumbai Max
August 18 2012, 08:21AM
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Lowetide wrote:

WhattaMike: It may come to that, but I believe the Oilers should be very careful about dealing away any veterans before these kids are absolutely ready.

Hemsky can play the tough opponents and gives protection on the right side. Trading him too soon would be counterproductive imo.

A trade at the deadline could be ideal. If Hemsky has a rebound year, he will be the perfect deadline pickup for someone, and we know that value peaks at that time of year. A bit fat bullet or twoin a high end draft year.

That gives the Oil a bunch of months (hopefully) to see if MPS (or someone else) is ready for top 6 duty.

I agree that this is one guy who we need to exhibit patience with. If we are talking about a return over the next decade, I think MPS has a good chance to be a better bet than Hemsky.

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#16 admiraimark
August 18 2012, 08:59AM
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Mumbai Max wrote:

A trade at the deadline could be ideal. If Hemsky has a rebound year, he will be the perfect deadline pickup for someone, and we know that value peaks at that time of year. A bit fat bullet or twoin a high end draft year.

That gives the Oil a bunch of months (hopefully) to see if MPS (or someone else) is ready for top 6 duty.

I agree that this is one guy who we need to exhibit patience with. If we are talking about a return over the next decade, I think MPS has a good chance to be a better bet than Hemsky.

Oh if only the stars could align like that. Hemsky has great bounce back. PRV goes to Oklahoma and burns it up earning a spot back on the Big Club. And we deal Hemsky at trade deadline for a top 4 D man.

Too bad we are looking at the season starting too late for this scenario?

More likely Hemsky goes down with a shoulder Inj 1 week prior to trade deadline? :(

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#17 Bushed
August 18 2012, 09:27AM
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Lowetide:

Can you please remind us non-stats guys what the size and color of the circles on the graph are supposed to mean?

Thanks.

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#18 James
August 18 2012, 09:31AM
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The Top 25 under 25 voting list I was alluding to before: http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/8/11/3233653/top-25-under-25-summer-2012-final-rankings

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#19 Don W
August 18 2012, 09:36AM
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@Cleatis14

I couldn't agree more. I think a year in OKC playing in the middle would be the best thing that could happen to MPS. Being in the middle should make him more involved physically and his confidence will increase. With his size, speed, and defensive awareness he could be just what we need.

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#21 Stack Pad Save
August 18 2012, 09:42AM
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Cleatis14 wrote:

I can't be the only person who has wondered this, and call me crazy if I am; but I have said since his rookie year, isn't Paajarvi ideally suited to be a center. As Lowetide says, he has the speed to be the last guy to leave the defensive zone and not be late to the party in the O zone. His defensive mind and hard work in his own end are good center quality's; just poke him with a sharp stick for 15 minutes before every game to up his battle level and we may have that big center we've waiting for.

Again feel free to call me crazy.

A lot of unanswered questions about Paajarvi being a center, can he win draws, can he use his size effectively down low turning the puck over in his own end, can he distribute the puck well enough when playing in the middle of the ice, and last does he he see the game well enough?

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#22 justDOit
August 18 2012, 09:54AM
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Question for ON and Corey Graham: Do you think it's worth a draft pick for the Oil Kings to try to acquire Yakupov's junior rights, in case of a lock out, if only for a month or two?

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#24 Bushed
August 18 2012, 10:08AM
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LT:

Very cool--I can see why you like this graph.

Some interesting food for thought and discussion in there (like the 4 D in the middle of the chart?).

It would be even cooler if there were a way to also factor in quality of team-mates to balance out the quality of competition.

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#25 kenny
August 18 2012, 10:10AM
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Cleatis14 wrote:

I can't be the only person who has wondered this, and call me crazy if I am; but I have said since his rookie year, isn't Paajarvi ideally suited to be a center. As Lowetide says, he has the speed to be the last guy to leave the defensive zone and not be late to the party in the O zone. His defensive mind and hard work in his own end are good center quality's; just poke him with a sharp stick for 15 minutes before every game to up his battle level and we may have that big center we've waiting for.

Again feel free to call me crazy.

He played defence when he was younger,would it be even crazier to suggest moving him back. The way he skates he could be our next version of coffey.

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#26 justDOit
August 18 2012, 10:12AM
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Lowetide wrote:

It is my understanding that WHL and OHL teams don't trade with each other, but I'll check!

I did not know that. Probably because of the expense and time involved in moving across the country, but that's not a problem in this particular instance.

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#27 RyanCoke
August 18 2012, 10:45AM
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Does anyone know when this joke TSN story ran? I can't believe I missed, if anyone else did too then check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIRV0ATzW8Q

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#28 AutoOiler
August 18 2012, 12:26PM
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The team that scores the most goals always wins. Always. That is the only rule that counts. Why not build the best top nine you can and roll the lines the way LA did in the playoffs. The oilers have the pedigree to do it. So do it. Especially on the Road. Let the other coach pull his hair out trying to line match the most skilled top Nine in the league. Line match your D against their top forwards. But just roll your offensive lines

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#29 Hairbag
August 18 2012, 12:26PM
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Cleatis14 wrote:

I can't be the only person who has wondered this, and call me crazy if I am; but I have said since his rookie year, isn't Paajarvi ideally suited to be a center. As Lowetide says, he has the speed to be the last guy to leave the defensive zone and not be late to the party in the O zone. His defensive mind and hard work in his own end are good center quality's; just poke him with a sharp stick for 15 minutes before every game to up his battle level and we may have that big center we've waiting for.

Again feel free to call me crazy.

I think you may have something there!

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#30 Rama Lama
August 18 2012, 12:42PM
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Coaching has so much to do with how a player plays.......IMHO Renny did not use MPS in a role where he could produce.

On a top six basis rotation, MPS will produce of that I have no doubt. He needs to play with players that can get him the puck, not Horcoff, the anti-Christ of offense.

Playing him on a third and fourth line basis, like Renny did and expecting him to produce offense is just plain stupid.

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#31 tileguy
August 18 2012, 12:49PM
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Nunyour

wait one more year.

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#32 DSF
August 18 2012, 01:12PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Coaching has so much to do with how a player plays.......IMHO Renny did not use MPS in a role where he could produce.

On a top six basis rotation, MPS will produce of that I have no doubt. He needs to play with players that can get him the puck, not Horcoff, the anti-Christ of offense.

Playing him on a third and fourth line basis, like Renny did and expecting him to produce offense is just plain stupid.

In the 10/11 season, Paajarvi had the second most TOI of all Oiler forwards.

HIs ESTOI was also second while his PPTOI was 5th among Oiler forwards.

That he was able to produce only 34 points while posting a -13 might give you a clue as to why Renney didn't think (rightly IMO) that Paajarvi was a top 6 option.

If we look at his 5V5 P/60 his 1.36 was actually 9th among Oiler forwards despite him having a shooting percentage quite a bit above his career average.

Among forwards who played 70+ games, Paajarvi's P/60 of 1.36 ranked him 176th in the NHL.

In other words, all 29 other teams, on average, had 6 players who scored at a higher rate than Paajarvi, some of them defensemen.

While you might expect his offense will improve a bit with development, suggesting he be handed a top 6 role while scoring at that rate will lead to nothing more than a lot of losing.

The kid has hands of plywood.

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#33 godot10
August 18 2012, 01:59PM
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Pairs...one builds lines around pairs.

in a year or two...

Nugent-Hopkins with Eberle Hall with Gagner Yakupov with Paajarvi

Three lines, each anchored with a #1 overall, which will force the opposition to pick its poison.

I think Paajarvi might be a perfect complementary player for Yakupov.

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#34 Dog Train
August 18 2012, 04:09PM
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I see Paajarvi as at least a third liner and quite possibly a 2nd liner. He has already scored 15 goals in a season before so it's reasonable to think that he can at least obtain a 20 goal, 40 point season before long. If you look around the league, that makes him a top 6 forward. With some of the other talent that we have, Magnus will be a solid complimentary player.

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#35 OilClog
August 18 2012, 04:39PM
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Anyone that tries to take away from what MPS has done so far is grasping at straws in their imagination and should seek therapy right away.

Oh my god he doesn't do hard into corners... Even if he never does he's going to have a career. Every game of the week MPS dresses over Eager, Hordi, Petrell ect ect. Sophomore slumps happen too many a player, MPS has too much skill, talent, and determination to faulter.

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#36 Turnover
August 18 2012, 06:52PM
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Some people are seeing a whole lot in Paajarvi that I don't. He's had his chance to prove where he belongs, and he's done that. In the minors. Hands of stone and a heart of jell-o.

He can shate like the wind. But this isn't river hockey. Face it, he don't belong on this team, unless they like disappointment. He's not talented enough for the 1st or 2nd lines, and not tough enough for the 3rd or 4th line.

The way people keep pumping his tires, make me think some of you went to the Brian Burke school of bs.

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#37 godot10
August 18 2012, 07:16PM
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Turnover wrote:

Some people are seeing a whole lot in Paajarvi that I don't. He's had his chance to prove where he belongs, and he's done that. In the minors. Hands of stone and a heart of jell-o.

He can shate like the wind. But this isn't river hockey. Face it, he don't belong on this team, unless they like disappointment. He's not talented enough for the 1st or 2nd lines, and not tough enough for the 3rd or 4th line.

The way people keep pumping his tires, make me think some of you went to the Brian Burke school of bs.

You realize he scored the biggest goal of the OKC playoffs, and set up second most important one, and was one of the main reasons VandeVelde had 6 goals in the playoffs.

The problem with Paajarvi was mostly coaching, and the coaching problem is gone.

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#38 DSF
August 18 2012, 08:26PM
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godot10 wrote:

You realize he scored the biggest goal of the OKC playoffs, and set up second most important one, and was one of the main reasons VandeVelde had 6 goals in the playoffs.

The problem with Paajarvi was mostly coaching, and the coaching problem is gone.

The problem with Paajarvi was mostly Paajarvi....and he's still here.

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#39 NewAgeSys
August 18 2012, 10:09PM
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Finally someone is someone has found statistical relevance in the claim I have made since Sams second year that he would lead this team sooner than later,I have never seen an Oilers player since Messier learn so much in so many years in a row and keep evolveing in a balanced manner without loseing anything defensively to take each step.Sam will push for the team scoreing lead from the second line with Yakupov and MPS I believe.

Magnus has been a lock for me since his first ten NHL games where he didnt look overwhelmed at all.Nothing has changed for me,the team has gone through a lot of serious ups and downs and Magnus was protected as the high value asset he is obviouslyt considered to be by the Oilers,and I agree with their assesment.

Magnus needed more confidence and better utilisation system wise,Magnuses dimensions are so overwhelming he is better showcased in a set play system,like Whitney,he has elite skills and more importantly for a bigger man SPEED.

I would love to see MPS in a system like the NHS that would allow him to become a leader onice with his size,footspeed ,and vision.Magnus is very good at gaining zones with his skillset and he is most effective in an aroebic manner where he can use his speed through a lot of gears as he approaches the shooting areas,as we have seenbut in the NHS he would only be asked to use his speed in anerobic bursts ,so he would become an even bigger more effective system asset on-ice.With the NHS two phase cycleing methods MPS suddenly looks like a monster out there with his wheels and stretch.

And in a Possesion/Transition system his very good zone entry percentages would translate into more terminal scoreing o-zone finishes.Really I cant see many d-men being able to stop MPS down the middle with even the tiniest of angles he is so big and fast that if the system utilised him on the 2nd line down the middle he would be either a goal factory or a PP factory because he is to big to just re-direct by the d-man you MUST stop his progress head-on and because of his speed and the fact he is in a scoreing zone in the o-zone he will be something other teams will have to redirect elite d-men to stop---so with Gagner and Yakupov the 2nd line should be a fire-cracker for 82 games.

If the NewAge System is used then Horcs and Hemmer and Smyth and Jonesy will need to accept a deep role on the 3rd or 4th rotational position in a lot of games ,because the NHS rolls consistant offense from all 4 rotational spots in a tactical manner planned far in advance of games, so really we would be getting stronger throwing our veteran offense at 3rd and 4th lines,we would be createing a system advantage,as much as that seems to run counter to conventional hockey thinking and tactics.The only reason we would put our veterans in a different tactical position is if the other team put their weakest links in their first two lines instead of their last two.

Becasue the NHS is REALLY a system based on hockey tactics as opposed to peeing contests with skill levels comeing from two inferior systems at each other.The NHS doesnt need to respond to other teams lineups to be executed at 100% efficiency,because it isnt based on matching physical skillsets on any level,in fact all the NHS core value components are designed to negate this type of physical matchup through the the utilisation of a full rink trap ,The opponents line numbers Crosby or Sedin or not is last thing the NHS considers.There is no defensive dimension to the NHS as it is a 100% pure offensive system.

MPS is considered a core system asset already to the NHS because of his vision, and the zone entry ability catalysed by his "transitional awareness",it is because of this awareness that he is so teachable and it is why he can respond so fast to required NHS adjustments. His speed vs size dimension and his physical skillset are far above ,but we only require average for him to execute system requirements so their is a tremendous amount of room for Magnus to excercise his creative offensive abilitys.

I do not know what system the coach is useing this year so I will comment this based on last years system continuity,do MPS a favor and trade him before we start because last years circus was barely able to keep him conditioned--he couldnt evolve,if fact some of our guys evolved in a manner that might be dramaticlly affected by our system choice this year,some players might see huge drops in points production because if we play even a tiny bit more defensive than we did last year useing a consistant hybrid like we tried to do we will nose-dive from the onset,and to make it worse this limits Mr.Kruegers choices systemwise severely---as he has personally witnessed his team thrive under the NHS system and also wither and die playing a traditional hybrid system that keeps tightening up the defense until it strangles itself.So he must find a way to maintain a high octane offense or see the kids numbers die off,and play defensive enough to win with a diminished offense and confidence level in his top six,you see the kids sucess last years was in huge part catalysed dureing the games they played NHS style hockey,because that is where they got most of their offensive numbers and why our offense looked like it was jeckyl and Hyde out there,sometimes being a good monster and sometimes a timid scientist.

If we start off any less of an offensive system than the NHS style then we will see lower numbers and early frustration and the same hybrid collapses we saw all long last year.We will be setting the table for another top pick possible hitting four in a row and tainting some pretty elite players resumes with an unneeded year of loseing.

In my NHS - MPS is starting the year here and in a 2nd line rotational position based on what I have seen when he is utilised in a transition based offense and his current system knowledge base.He isnt experienced enough to play the 3rd or 4th rotational position.

In case it isnt obvious yet the NHS uses a reverse perspective of players skillsets/experience,this is because it is a 100% pure offensive system.We put what teams might call our greenest guys on our 1st two what they call lines.So we are comfortable putting Hopkins up against Crosby and Gagner up against Malkin,because our system negates the size advantages they both utilise in very different manners,cCrosby is a ver very physical player with unusual lower body strength allowing him to exhibit elite upper body balance so he brings a compacts type of power game and malkin is just huge and strong enough to exert his will over anyone like Chara can,but the NHS negates these dimensions immediatly through positioning and a full rink trap,the NHS ,Gapping tactic allows its players a numbers advantage on both sides of the puck for 60 mins,meaning first they wouldnt get the puck much and second when they did they would be double teamed immediatly within ten feet of puck possesion.There is no other possible way to level that dynamic out,then the NHS allows both Nuge and Sammy to compete with their and their linemates elite skillset within their own system against an "average"skillset of Crosby/Malkin who are still working their tails off but getting no majic.And the best part is that the NHS surrenders the puck to the opponents even MORE than the worst system we see played now,intentonally through offensive shots,45 per game.So you bet the opposition will get touches,they just wont be keeping the puck for long and their third pass will almost never materialise.The NHS will break teams useing the manpower the Oilers have as of today with no changes or at least no new assets from outside of our current rosters up here and on the farm.

I see Magnus in the NHS hitting 30 goals ,if Yakupov wasnt on the 2nd line with him he would top 30 ,and also Sammy will be knocking in at least 30 goals in the NHS,so with Yak notching 40 an extra ten off his release we should see around 100 goals from our second line,our 1st will have difficulty beating this mark and our 3rd will almost hit the same mark,while the 4th will put up our last years 2nd line numbers when they play.The NHS allows for four plus goals per game over 82 gms.I predict over 320 goals if the NHS is utilised.I know its unheard of,but so is the NHS.Magnus was targeted as an NHS asset even as I was createing it,he and a core of the Oilers have an elite vision that can either come with birth or be developed the origin notwithstanding what these guys see out there is what the NHS teaches EveryMan to see.The NHS first forces these elite players to tone down their extras and execute the system requirements as per the EveryMan level,then it allows the to build offensive momentum through 100% dictated system decision makeing,allowing them to fine tune their transitions terminal focus.Same Jazz as other systems,with a NHS flavor and a brand new 5 on 5 tactic and a full court on-ice press for 60mins.

Watch for Magnus to have an offensive hand in the PK,because in the NHS it is loaded for bear.

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#40 Wanyes bastard child
August 18 2012, 10:25PM
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@Wax Man Riley

I just stopped reading him myself.

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#41 Wax Man Riley
August 18 2012, 10:30PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

I just stopped reading him myself.

Ya, I just skimmed, but someone had to say it.

the part I skimmed says that the rookies all get put on the top 2 lines because they match up well with Crosby and Malkin.

In the WaxManHockey Sys, all of your rookies against the best players in the league get destroyed and your team gets scored on every time they are on the ice... because... well, you have rookies playing against THE BEST IN THE WORLD

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#42 Archaeologuy
August 19 2012, 12:44AM
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In the ArchaeoloHockey Sys everybody lines up across center ice like we're playing Red Rover.

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#43 Cheap Shot Charlie
August 19 2012, 05:08AM
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The problem with Paajarvi was mostly Paajarvi....and he's still here.

The problem with problems is they sometimes just need to be looked at a different way to solve them.

Here *HUG*! Now look again. Did that help?

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#44 Trader Joe
August 19 2012, 05:28AM
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You've gotta love data mining. There are enough statistics out there that you can just zone-adjust, qual-comp and bastardize any stat to make a player look awesome.

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#45 michael
August 19 2012, 09:44AM
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MP is certainly a lightning rod for diverse opinion. I am on the let him develop in OKC side of the fence. The Oilers based on projections will finish 22-25. I am of the opinion that a 25 place finish is reasonable to expect. The Oilers have the where with all to continue to develop into a competitive team without pushing players like MP into roles they are not ready to assume yet. Lander is 2 years away. MP the same. Hamilton 2-3. The d is certainly 2-3 years away. Guys like Musil,Gernat and Marincin are not even close. The point of this rebuild was to develop a team that is competitive every year. The Detroit development model applies.

Realistically I am looking to 2013-2014 as the season the Oilers break out and become a very competitive team. By then alot of questions will be answered. Like DD. Hemsky. Whitney and JS. I look forward to a non lock out season. CBA.

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#46 DSF
August 19 2012, 11:58AM
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Cheap Shot Charlie wrote:

The problem with problems is they sometimes just need to be looked at a different way to solve them.

Here *HUG*! Now look again. Did that help?

I'm all ears.

Please tell me exactly how you would mold a player who has never scored much at any level into a top 6 player.

Then tell me why you would do that when there are much better options available.

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#47 French Toast Mafia
August 19 2012, 12:42PM
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I get so PO'd listening to the Hemsky traders, give this man a chance. He is healthy, full healed (we are led to beleive) and has led this team in ppg playing with slugs. Now he has the talent to play with, my prediction is he will lead the team in points. Lets give him the year to showcase his talents playing with that 5 mil in his pocket, it could be a squeeeee type of year from another silk purse.

Hemsky is so so horrible running a powerplay it's hard to watch. He is a good 5 on 5 player but common... There is not a chance he leads the team in scoring. Are you one of the few remaining guys that said for years "if Hemsky had someone to play with he would score 90 points". It's not happening

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#48 French Toast Mafia
August 19 2012, 12:47PM
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All I saw was Crosby and Malkin having "average" skill sets compared to Gagner and Nuge.

Makes sense

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#49 NewAgeSys
August 19 2012, 08:32PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

All I saw was Crosby and Malkin having "average" skill sets compared to Gagner and Nuge.

Makes sense

And your next trick is going to be???What claiming that Crosby and Malkin and the Pens cannot be beated consistantly by a superior system of play executed by less talented players than themselves,a dynamic that does exactly as I said,makes them look average,in case you dont see it like I do its win as a team and lose as a team ,same with system directions,so I am afraid even if its a bitter pill to swallow the fact is that it is far from impossible to make them both look average within the scope of the games outcome,no ones ever going to make Hall slower unless they bust his leg either,but so what thats a given,but many teams have negated his speed advantage with solid system execution.

Yes,proper execution of a superior system by individually inferior skillsets will produce a winning result consistantly.We watch this every year,its called the winning dynamic,and that dynamic catalysed by consistant proper system execution makes an opponent very average on every level and defeats their system.

I seriously fail to see the humor or the basis for questiong this obvious dynamic??I am not referring to the system the Oilers played last year in its entirity,I am saying that executeing a superioer system as 6 man units shift by shift for 60 mins we can make Crosby and Malkin seem very average in terms of their system induced effectiveness,and because a superior system also negates their individual skillsets effectiveness outside of their system ,my friend it is very easy to make them look average against any 6 man unit on any shift or rotational position if the Oilers play the NHS.Give me a technical example of how and why the Pens system or their guys would defeat the NHS our green kids and I will show you why you are wrong,and I guess thats the best we can do.

But to in essence try to say that any players cannot be made to look average by a well executed and superior opposition system executed teamwise for 60mins is sheer madness,ha ha ha ha.

Didnt you ever see Wayne and Mark and the rest of that crew shut down and be made to look average against really average guys executeing a superior system gameplan,because I sure did and there are a lot of tapes illustrateing this,and sorry but the Crosby/malkin connection doesnt rate anywhere near the old Oilers connection so if thats what we all saw happen to Hall of Famers ,I rest my case.You just assume that the Oilers dont have access to a superior system.But they do.

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#50 Cheap Shot Charlie
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@DSF

I guess you need to explain why he needs to be a top 6 forward. I've never believed that he was on the same level with Ebs or Hall (or your beloved Seguin). But Filipula, Cleary, Malholtra, Zubrus, etc. are all useful players on the third line. A guy who knows that getting back and helping the d-men is useful on any team.

I think that's what the article was about. Making PRV a useful cog, not an elite talent. I took "suggesting  a top 6F role may well be in his future. Magnus Paajarvi is an important part of the Oilers future" as just that. "Future" being 2-5 years and "important part" as helps others perform their jobs. Top 6F might be a stretch but some decent players have started off as "looks good" and turned into "important pieces" (see Ray Whitney).

See, a little *HUG* never hurt a guy! ;)

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