On the possibility of trading Hall, Eberle or Yakupov

Jonathan Willis
August 02 2012 11:18AM

 

The Edmonton Oilers are blessed with some high-end young players. Most people consider a list of four as the core group of the rebuild: centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, as well as wingers Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.

Is there any situation where it might make sense to trade one of that group, or are they all untouchable?

It’s an interesting situation in that the Oilers have three high-end guys on the wing, one at centre, and none on defence (to be fair, both Jeff Petry and Ladislav Smid are fine young NHL players – with Petry in particular still having upside – but neither are seen as being on the same level as the group of four mentioned above).

Now, the team could have avoided this by picking defenceman Ryan Murray first overall this past summer, but with Yakupov the clear consensus at number one that likely would have been a mistake. Teams don’t get to control which player is the best in any given year, but drafting for need is a bad road to go down (as the Oilers showed when they passed on Zach Parise because they ‘already had a bunch of small centers’).

The job of the scouting staff is to provide management with the best available players. It’s the job of the general manager to trade those players as needed to create a winning team.

A Franchise Defender?

High-end defencemen don’t come available all that often, and when they do the price is typically high. Still, it’s possible to envision a scenario where one might be on the market. Take Shea Weber in Nashville, for example. The Predators opted to match Philadelphia’s offer sheet, choosing to pay the franchise defenceman $14 million in salary per season for the next four years rather than taking four first-round picks in trade. Could it be that a year from now they’d be willing to send him away to ease financial pressures if they got an enticing enough offer?

What would a player like Weber be worth to Edmonton? The 6’4”, 232lb 26-year old is a complete defenseman who provides both a team with both offensive punch and a number one shutdown option. Would that be worth trading one of the Oilers’ three wingers? Would any of the three be untouchable if Nashville was willing to think about a one-for-one trade a year from now?

Obviously, it’s a hypothetical situation, but it’s still one worth considering: is there a point where trading away part of the young core makes sense if it makes the roster more balanced?

The Other Route

There is another option, of course: the Oilers could opt to hang on to all of their key young pieces and hope to address the need for high-end help on the blue line through free agency (or alternately, simply hope that one of their younger defenders – Petry, Justin Schultz, Oscar Klefbom, etc. – develop into a high-end guy).

There are virtues to that approach. The primary virtue is that there’s no need to part with one of the high-value forwards currently on the team. There are also negatives: for starters, not a lot of high-end defenders hit the UFA market and those that do tend to be paid accordingly. If all goes well, in a few years the Oilers will need to start exercising care when managing the salary cap and adding a big-money defender without subtracting big dollars somewhere else might prove problematic.

The biggest problem is scarcity, though. Alex Edler could be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2013; aside from him, there aren’t a lot of high-end possibilities and even he isn’t in the ‘franchise defenceman’ category. Kris Letang is probably the most interesting name in the summer of 2014 group; Dion Phaneuf and Jay Bouwmeester are other lower-quality possibilities assuming they aren’t locked up before then. Lots of names could be available in 2015 but that’s three years away, meaning both that their current teams have time to extend them and that there would be no help on the way for the next three seasons.

Maybe something else will happen. As we’ve considered, one of the current group of young defenders could emerge. The Oilers could always just roll with a by-committee approach and hope that they could win without a stud #1 defender – after all, Carolina managed the feat back in 2006.

My Take

Top defensemen are a rare commodity, and as guys who can play 30 minutes a night they’re exceedingly valuable to any team. They aren’t available very often.

Top wingers are also very valuable. Five years ago, any one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov would have been untouchable. If the Oilers had just one winger of that caliber, that guy would be untouchable now. But, as it stands, they have three superb young wingers and that means that if the opportunity to land a franchise defenseman becomes available, it’s one the team should move on if they can negotiate a deal that makes sense.

It’s not about wanting to trade any of those guys. It’s about looking at the needs of the team and deciding that it makes sense to subtract from a position of strength and address a position of weakness if the opportunity arises. If two star wingers and a star defenceman give the Oilers a better shot at the Stanley Cup than three star wingers and no star defencemen do, a deal that should be made.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Quicksilver ballet
August 02 2012, 11:26AM
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Can see Weber accepting his 13 million dollar bonus on July 1 2013 and then hold out, forcing a trade. The Predators will have 27 million into a holdout after only one season of that deal. Someone could get a bargain.

It's a little early to be thinking of dealing one of the fab four, or maybe we sould sit tight and wait for the level of frustration to boil over with Taylor Hall.

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#2 Dmac
August 02 2012, 11:28AM
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there have been examples of cup winning teams with a solid group of good defenders but not a clear stud. carolina in06 comes to mind but there have been others. maybee we keep all the forward depth and just make sure we score fist and more than the other team!

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#3 The Hall Way
August 02 2012, 11:28AM
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Unfortunately... it makes sense.

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#4 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
August 02 2012, 11:31AM
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It's interesting that this is being offered up right after a "reasonable expectations" piece.

I don't think that "Yeah, but you'd trade him for Shea Weber" is a valid argument at all. I think if the trade is being offered 1-for-1 straight-across, you'd find a lot of teams that would offer their best player for Shea Weber.

I don't think anyone's saying that someone on the Oilers is truly, by the strict definition, untouchable. If somebody offers you $1000 for your socks, you untie your shoelaces as fast as you possibly can. You do it even if you really like those socks.

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#6 Matt Henderson
August 02 2012, 11:37AM
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To me there are scenarios where one of the four can be traded, but we arent close to it yet.

When this team is a playoff team that is struggling to make the NEXT step towards Cup Contender (multiple steps from where they are now) and it has become obvious that the Oilers lack X (X being a 1C, 1D, or 1G) then it starts getting to be time to make the move.

However, we are way too premature for that. The Penguins lasted 5 years with 3 Cs for 2 spots and only now pulled the trigger to trade Staal. The Oilers Big 4 only has 1 replication of position with Yakupov being a L/RW. The Oiler's best prospects are all defensemen and they just added Schultz, another blue chipper.

Add in their growing potential to pursue Free Agents and a Cap that always rises and I'm not sure we need to be in any hurry to move one of them, even though our defense is horrible and our goaltending is unproven.

Too early to make that call.

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#8 OilFan780
August 02 2012, 11:38AM
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I agree with this article somewhat here is my thinking around this. Aside from Nick Lidstrom most defencemen franchise or not can be acquired via a trade/free agency. If you look back at all the top defencemen that were drafted you can potentially see a trend that they are not with the same team that had originally drafted them.

Based on that if you wanted a franchise defencemen you can obtain one via trade or free agency. But forwards are harder to obtian or cost more via trade or free agency.

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#9 Will
August 02 2012, 11:39AM
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I think the role of the GM is to improve the team without giving up franchise players. As for the D, I think it would be much better served to have three solid lines as oppose to that one high end player.

As for the negatives of free agency, how can overpaying on free agency be any different than giving up one of the four, and receiving back a player who gets paid 14 million dollars. We would have been better off offering a free agent defenseman like Suter an overpayment at 8 million, rather than get a Weber at 14 million.

You're always going to pay on free agency for these top end guys, but at the same time, the trade route, by virtue of what you have to give up and what you end up paying the player coming back anyway, is even worse in my opinion.

We all just need to exercise some patience and let our young D develop. I do wish Tambillini would go out in free agency and over pay someone as a good stop gap while our young guys develop, or even try to get a trade done as long as it makes our over all team better. And who knows, if they get their head out of their ass and get better back up for Dubnyk, that could go a long way to helping close down, and finish out those games we just seemed to not be able to clinch last year.

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#10 Jay
August 02 2012, 11:40AM
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I'll take one of these please

Hedman, OEL, Subban, Adam Larsson, or Seth Jones( ? )

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#11 Will
August 02 2012, 11:40AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Can see Weber accepting his 13 million dollar bonus on July 1 2013 and then hold out, forcing a trade. The Predators will have 27 million into a holdout after only one season of that deal. Someone could get a bargain.

It's a little early to be thinking of dealing one of the fab four, or maybe we sould sit tight and wait for the level of frustration to boil over with Taylor Hall.

They can't legally trade him for one year, so he'll be a pred for at least one more year.

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#12 CaptainLander
August 02 2012, 11:41AM
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If the Oil were on the verge of winning a cup next year, I could see this discussion having merit. At this point and a few years away from being a real contender I would say it is to early to look for the franchise d-man. I believe that the value of these three players will only go up. So trading one now seems pointless. Plus there is a possibility the the young d-men you mentioned could be that guy. If three years from now the Oil are in a really good position to win a cup and all they are missing is that one dimension (Anaheim adding Pronger) then I say do it. Until such a time keep your assets build your team from within.

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#13 John Chambers
August 02 2012, 11:43AM
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I just don't think that a deal some of us are fantasizing about is actually possible. If you trade one of these guys you won't get Letang, Ekman-Larsson, Hedman, Carlson, Pietrangelo, etc. Those guys are franchise defensemen, and their teams' management knows that.

You can only obtain a guy with warts like a Yandle, a Mike Green, or a Phaneuf.

I mean, Columbus traded Rick freakin' Nash and couldn't even get Ryan McDonagh.

Overpaying in the UFA market in '13 or '14 might be the way to go. In the meantime we wait and hope Petry and or Schultz develops into that top guy.

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#14 Mark-LW
August 02 2012, 11:45AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

It's interesting that this is being offered up right after a "reasonable expectations" piece.

I don't think that "Yeah, but you'd trade him for Shea Weber" is a valid argument at all. I think if the trade is being offered 1-for-1 straight-across, you'd find a lot of teams that would offer their best player for Shea Weber.

I don't think anyone's saying that someone on the Oilers is truly, by the strict definition, untouchable. If somebody offers you $1000 for your socks, you untie your shoelaces as fast as you possibly can. You do it even if you really like those socks.

Also, why would Nashville trade him after paying him almost 1/4 of his salary in one year?

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#16 David S
August 02 2012, 11:53AM
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Why trade away one of your core assets when a huge stinkin' offer sheet or Horcoffian level overpay would do the trick?

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#18 Mike Krushelnyski
August 02 2012, 11:54AM
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You don't really discuss the option of making a trade with a Pajaarvi + Gagner type package. That's not the classic "Peckham, Omark and a pick for a star" type deal, Pajaarvi + Gagner could be a an attractive option for a team looking to get younger/shed salary and would be a lot easier to stomach than sending out Hall or Eberle.

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#19 GideanYates
August 02 2012, 11:55AM
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While it might be a wee bit early, if I'm the GM I would absolutely explore trading one of my wingers....Hall would be my choice...love his game but have serious reservations he can stay healthy (this might also be the view of other GM's so his value may not be as much as Oil fans think)

1) Assuming Yakupov is in the league of Ebs/Hall then I will be face major cap commitments for my wingers which would lead to less for other critical positions (ie. #1 D man)

2) Team building needs some work. WIngers are typically less valuable than #1D>= #1C>>> Wingers. Overall winning with an offensive team is not likely....defence wins.

3) Money aside Neither Hall or Ebs will be enough to land a Blue chip number 1D

4) Lastly a stong puck moving D man would generate far more offense than having stong forwards...someone need to get the puck to them in stride in order for them to max out their game.

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#20 Dmac
August 02 2012, 11:59AM
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I am not suggesting that the defence group does not need to be improved, for example i believe that we needed to keep Tom Gilbert and ADD a Nick Shcultz type player, this organization has a mind set that we have to give up something to get something and although this is true to a ponit, the gilbert trade took from an area of weekness not a area of strength.the team doesn't get better making 1 for 1 type trades.

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#21 Lexi
August 02 2012, 12:06PM
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I think the key to keeping the Fab4 is getting them to acknowledge like Crosby and the Sedins have done and take a bit below market contracts so their team can win championships. My hope is that once the new CBA is signed they get together with Hall and Ebs and get long term contracts signed similar to Tavares and that hopefully sets the precedent for RNH and Yak.

I project their D in 2014-15 to be: Klefbom-J Schultz Smid-Petry Maracin-Musil which doesn't include Whitney, N Schultz, Gernat, Teubert, Peckham, Fedun or Davidson, so I think as long as Klefbom turns out to be at least a top 3 Dman that is a good enough D to contend for a cup. If the D is okay the only other big long term hole is for a big 2nd or 3rd line C like Gaustad/Hanzal that hopefully can be gotten without giving up one of the Fab 4.

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#22 Ben
August 02 2012, 12:07PM
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Realistically the Oilers are probably looking at another bottom finish. So take the chance and hope that Seth Jones is available when the Oilers are called to the draft table.

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#23 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
August 02 2012, 12:11PM
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Ben wrote:

Realistically the Oilers are probably looking at another bottom finish. So take the chance and hope that Seth Jones is available when the Oilers are called to the draft table.

What are you basing that on? Even the people who have tempered their expectations are predicting a decent level of progress this year.

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#24 Cody anderson
August 02 2012, 12:11PM
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@JW There is no way I would consider trading 2 of them for Wber or any other defenceman.

@ Captain Lander I agree with the idea that we wait another 2 years and then evaluate our weaknesses. If it is that one Dman that is keeping us from the next level then we may have to move one or offer sheet someone giving up draft picks. Right now we have some of the best D prospects in the league and that could very well be a team strength in 2 or 3 years.

@John Chambers I don't think we are comparing apples to apples. Nash is certainly a sought after commodity, but he has a big contract, declining numbers, seems like a stud, but not one that you build your team around, and Nashville was dealing from a point of weakness. Anytime a player demands a trade you have a lot less negotiating power let alone when he only gives you a few teams to negotiate with. NYR would have paid a lot more for him if they sought him out and thought they would be competing against every team in the NHL.

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#25 Quicksilver ballet
August 02 2012, 12:13PM
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@ Jonathan Willis

I love Shea Weber, but not enough to surrender two kids of that calibre. Hall,Paajarvi and Horcoff next summer maybe, but not two of the crown jewels. I like it rough too Jonathan, but if you're going to take it to that level, i'm not interested sir.

If more than one of those kids needs to be involved, i would just sit tight and hope Justin Schultz or Oskar Klefbom would eventually round into a #1 or 2 form. We could probably be pretty successful with 2 #2 calibre and a couple #3 calibre blueliners along with the talent that's up front. Right now we're stuck with a bunch of 3-6's on our blueline, along with a the talented young forward group.

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#26 dawgbone
August 02 2012, 12:15PM
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@Mike Krushelnyski

Sure, but that's not going to get you a franchise d-man, unless both of them have a pair of huge seasons.

It's unfortunate that the Kings won the cup. Had they missed the playoffs, there's a good chance Doughty would have been available (held out, had reported character issues, slow start)... but of course they get it all straightened out and win the whole thing.

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#27 Cody anderson
August 02 2012, 12:15PM
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Ben wrote:

Realistically the Oilers are probably looking at another bottom finish. So take the chance and hope that Seth Jones is available when the Oilers are called to the draft table.

Hey Ben, care to make a wager?

I think the Oilers are more likely to make the playoffs then finish 30th this year although most people would probably disagree with me.

I would be willing to give you the same odds in a bet that they finish 30th that you will give me for them to make the playoffs.

I would be very surprised if they don't get at least 10 more points and think they will likely increase by 15-20

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#30 Quicksilver ballet
August 02 2012, 12:29PM
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@Cody Anderson

Keep your wallet in your jeans Cody. Temper that enthusiasm. Who would've dreamed we'd be looking in the rear view mirror at 3 first overalls in a row? How could 4 really be all that much of a stretch?

A few injuries and Whitneys ankle still not allowing him to be a #1 or 2 this coming season could make a world of difference.

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#31 Lochenzo
August 02 2012, 12:33PM
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One other possibility is for the Oilers to finish last again and draft Seth Jones. Ha, ha, no thanks. Luck of the draw that we missed out on Dmen worthy of the #1 selection.

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#32 Ben
August 02 2012, 12:35PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

Hey Ben, care to make a wager?

I think the Oilers are more likely to make the playoffs then finish 30th this year although most people would probably disagree with me.

I would be willing to give you the same odds in a bet that they finish 30th that you will give me for them to make the playoffs.

I would be very surprised if they don't get at least 10 more points and think they will likely increase by 15-20

I'm not saying that they are finishing 30th again. But the bottom 5 is still a very real possibility. Their blueline is barely NHL calibre but with the addition of Shultz I believe it is better than it was lasy year. A healthy Whitney and hopefully Shultz will help that area. I believe that Dubnyk is better than Khabby, but I don't think that he'll pull a Steve Mason and carry a team into the playoffs and I doubt that Yakupov helps the offense all that much.

To be honest I see them finished somewhere around 22nd, but they easily slip from spot (injuries, slumps, typical Oiler hockey) to a lottery team.

Look at the Penguins rebuild. Traded from 3 to 1 in 03, Malkin at #2, Crosby lottery, and Staal at #2. Hall, RNH, and Yakupov are not Crosby and Malkin calibre, and Dubnyk isn't Fleury and they still had 4 lottery seasons. It's not that hard to believe that the Oilers could be looking forwards to at least one more top 5 pick.

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#33 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
August 02 2012, 12:44PM
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I think it boils down to this:

Shea Weber IS the best at his position Any one of the fab 4 HOPE to be the best at theirs one day

It would be really hard to lose that trade.

And Weber is locked up reasonably for 14 years without a NMC.

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#34 wiseguy
August 02 2012, 12:51PM
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I think everyone is overvaluing the defenseman. If you have an older, franchise dman from a poorly performing or managed team, you can get him with a package of prospects and draft picks. Pronger was traded after a conn smythe worthy playoff for a second line winger (lupul), a prospect (smid) and draft picks. No Getzlaf or perry was involved. Pronger was then traded again for a similar package. I realize he requested a trade the first time but with a player like that it would not affect his value much.

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#35 Dman09
August 02 2012, 12:51PM
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JW,

One thing that clearly stands out to me when I look back at say the last ten Stanley Cup Champions is most clearly have a great duo. By that I mean a clear cut #1 defenseman(maybe not the best in the league but still great) and a high end goaltender or one that is performing at a really high level. We also saw it first hand in Edm. Pronger and Roli, the team was very different after Roli got hurt and I honestly think that if Roli didn't get hurt then Edm would have won the Cup. I think that is also what allowed PHX to get as far as they did this season.

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#36 WhattaMike
August 02 2012, 01:10PM
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Good article JW but it's not the right way to trade on of these fab four for a top defencema.

When the Oilers won their cups they had the four best forwards, the best defenceman and the top two goalies out of four or five in the league.

Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Anderson with coffey and then Fuhr and Moog.

This league shows and proves that this is the format to primarily be with.

We have three top offensive type youngsters to see about on defence first before anything was to hypothetically happen...with Petry, Schultz and Klefbom.

The Oilers have also on the way up... to think about...Marancin, Gernat, Musil, Davidson, even Simpson etc.

This team can make the playoffs this coming season or the next for sure (up to the players and coaching of course)....but if someone (aka) Tambellini wishes to rush out just to trade one excellent youngster for a guy at about $114 million dollars then find out too late it was wrong...should be forever banished.

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#38 madjam
August 02 2012, 01:23PM
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Certainly they are all tradeable , but unlikely at a price we would command for any one of them . We might even get an upgrade on them , but unlikely . Example : Malkin , Crosby , Stamkos and not very many others worth as much as they might become . Even a quantity for quality seems unlikely until our elites hit their maximum . Unforseen contract demands could make the odd one available if club not of a competitive nature , and that seems unlikely to happen now lets hope .

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#39 Cody anderson
August 02 2012, 01:26PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

@Cody Anderson

Keep your wallet in your jeans Cody. Temper that enthusiasm. Who would've dreamed we'd be looking in the rear view mirror at 3 first overalls in a row? How could 4 really be all that much of a stretch?

A few injuries and Whitneys ankle still not allowing him to be a #1 or 2 this coming season could make a world of difference.

Even up (no odds) I would gladly bet they are not a lottery team this year. I would be willing to give 5 to 1 odds they won't be last place.

I would expect similar odds from a skeptic such as yourself that they will not make the playoffs.

just thought it would add to the excitement.

Most team's in the NHL are a few injuries to key players from stinking.

Pittsburg is one of the deeper teams in the league. How would they do without Malkin, Crosby, Letang and Fleury? Not as well as when they had Staal there, that's for sure.

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#40 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 02 2012, 01:35PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I just don't think that a deal some of us are fantasizing about is actually possible. If you trade one of these guys you won't get Letang, Ekman-Larsson, Hedman, Carlson, Pietrangelo, etc. Those guys are franchise defensemen, and their teams' management knows that.

You can only obtain a guy with warts like a Yandle, a Mike Green, or a Phaneuf.

I mean, Columbus traded Rick freakin' Nash and couldn't even get Ryan McDonagh.

Overpaying in the UFA market in '13 or '14 might be the way to go. In the meantime we wait and hope Petry and or Schultz develops into that top guy.

You're right, I mean look at all the great players we gave up for Pronger.

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#41 bdiddy18
August 02 2012, 01:44PM
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I think the fan base and the bloggers continue the Oiler's management tradition of tunnel vision. Over emphasizing deficiencies and going hyper to try to fix them.

2000s - Oilers had tons of grit but no skill outside of Hemsky - went crazy trying to aquire UFA skill and also traded significant portions of their grit to attempt to acquire skill.

the forced "enlightenment" came from sucking so bad that skill fell into your lap. so now you have the opposite all the skill but no grit or size and this obsession that our D men need to be like Paul Coffey.

The Oilers are not a trade away from contending - they have 2-3 years of development left. As it stands right now Eberle, and Nuge show the signs of that elite level - but need to continue progressing upward.

Hall is a question mark - injury prone winger who seems hell bent on continuing his high risk/high reward style that could leave him sitting out a year with a serious concussion.

Yakupov - we dont know Pjaarvi - we dont know Lander - we dont know Gagner - is confused as we are - even he doesnt know J. Shultz - we dont know J. Petry - we dont know D. Dubnyk - we dont know

Makes absolute no sense to consider any trades until the players develop some more. And if that's the case then no sense overpaying for a stud defenceman in a trade that will correct one end of the rink while hampering the other.

this year and next is the REAL test of Oiler Fan's patience in a rebuild. To resist the temptation to make a quick gain for the present season while severely hampering the long term potential of dominating the league by keeping everyone together.

and as always - your best defence is a dynamic offence. I wouldn't trade anybody the "core" for at least another 2 years.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 02 2012, 01:52PM
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bdiddy18 wrote:

I think the fan base and the bloggers continue the Oiler's management tradition of tunnel vision. Over emphasizing deficiencies and going hyper to try to fix them.

2000s - Oilers had tons of grit but no skill outside of Hemsky - went crazy trying to aquire UFA skill and also traded significant portions of their grit to attempt to acquire skill.

the forced "enlightenment" came from sucking so bad that skill fell into your lap. so now you have the opposite all the skill but no grit or size and this obsession that our D men need to be like Paul Coffey.

The Oilers are not a trade away from contending - they have 2-3 years of development left. As it stands right now Eberle, and Nuge show the signs of that elite level - but need to continue progressing upward.

Hall is a question mark - injury prone winger who seems hell bent on continuing his high risk/high reward style that could leave him sitting out a year with a serious concussion.

Yakupov - we dont know Pjaarvi - we dont know Lander - we dont know Gagner - is confused as we are - even he doesnt know J. Shultz - we dont know J. Petry - we dont know D. Dubnyk - we dont know

Makes absolute no sense to consider any trades until the players develop some more. And if that's the case then no sense overpaying for a stud defenceman in a trade that will correct one end of the rink while hampering the other.

this year and next is the REAL test of Oiler Fan's patience in a rebuild. To resist the temptation to make a quick gain for the present season while severely hampering the long term potential of dominating the league by keeping everyone together.

and as always - your best defence is a dynamic offence. I wouldn't trade anybody the "core" for at least another 2 years.

It's almost impossible to lose trading for a young, elite defensmen that does it all.

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#43 Cody anderson
August 02 2012, 02:13PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

It's almost impossible to lose trading for a young, elite defensmen that does it all.

I agree, that it is hard to lose a trade when getting back an elite young defenseman, but I also think that it is premature to rush into such a trade if the cost was as high as one of the four horsemen.

Our Defensive prospect pool is a lot stronger then our forward prospect pool. If we got rid of an elite forward now while thin on forward prospects there is the very real possibility that in 2 years we have 2 many strong Dmen and not enough skilled forwards.

I like the idea of holding steady or bringing in a stop gap Dman for 1-2 years. If Whitney is healthy at training camp I would be ok with our current group starting the season and assess on the fly. If Whitney is not healthy at training camp I think you put him on injured reserve and bring in a replacement.

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#44 Chester_Copperpot
August 02 2012, 02:25PM
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There is one answer, and one answer only.

Seth Jones. He is a Chara in the making.

If the Oilers land anywhere in the top 5 - 10 picks, I would move heaven and earth to get this guy. I don't think moving one of the fab 4 would be necessary to get him. I could see a package of Hemsky/Gagner and their current first, along with 2014 first or second being enough to get the number 2 pick. I'm sure Columbus or Anaheim gets the first pick and would take Nathan Mckinnon.

First time poster. Great site. Your thoughts?

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#45 baggedmilk
August 02 2012, 02:25PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I love this article, Willis. You are becoming a master of stirring the pot. Even the title of the article will get some heart rates increasing.

Well played, sir.

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#46 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 02 2012, 02:38PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I agree, that it is hard to lose a trade when getting back an elite young defenseman, but I also think that it is premature to rush into such a trade if the cost was as high as one of the four horsemen.

Our Defensive prospect pool is a lot stronger then our forward prospect pool. If we got rid of an elite forward now while thin on forward prospects there is the very real possibility that in 2 years we have 2 many strong Dmen and not enough skilled forwards.

I like the idea of holding steady or bringing in a stop gap Dman for 1-2 years. If Whitney is healthy at training camp I would be ok with our current group starting the season and assess on the fly. If Whitney is not healthy at training camp I think you put him on injured reserve and bring in a replacement.

It is impossible to be premature.

If we are getting one via trade, and if that trade is avaialble today, and if the only possible way to get one is with one of the young wingers. (which is the theme of the blog)

Then we are in no worse shape making that trade today then we would be in making that trade 24 months from now.... with the added risk that the trade might not be available 24 months from now.

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#47 Cody anderson
August 02 2012, 02:53PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

It is impossible to be premature.

If we are getting one via trade, and if that trade is avaialble today, and if the only possible way to get one is with one of the young wingers. (which is the theme of the blog)

Then we are in no worse shape making that trade today then we would be in making that trade 24 months from now.... with the added risk that the trade might not be available 24 months from now.

I would counter that is very possible to be premature. If we made that trade today there is every possibility (crossing my fingers) that we could develop a #1 Dman in house and a solid Dcorps behind him.

Now go out and try finding another elite winger who wants to play here, that fits with the group and already has chemistry.

If we make a trade of this magnitude we better be sure it is an organizational need and not just a current team need.

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#48 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Cody anderson wrote:

I would counter that is very possible to be premature. If we made that trade today there is every possibility (crossing my fingers) that we could develop a #1 Dman in house and a solid Dcorps behind him.

Now go out and try finding another elite winger who wants to play here, that fits with the group and already has chemistry.

If we make a trade of this magnitude we better be sure it is an organizational need and not just a current team need.

Still not premature.

Developing a #1 Dman in house doesn't mean we would somehow be worse off also trading for a #1 Dman.

Two elite defensmen is a good thing, not a bad thing.

For some reason people would be afraid to make a trade that we can't lose at.

Again, assuming the trade is available today, their is no risk to making yet.... yet thier is risk in not making it since the trade might not be available down the road.

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#49 Walter Sobchak
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Good article JW

At least it get people thinking out of the box a little, however no way they trade any of the 14-4-93-96 (presumably)

The Oilers will have Klefbom and a one year NHL Schultz next year.

The Oilers have a healthy Gagner, Whitney and Hemsky to prove themselves for the year to get max return, so again they won't do anything.

The Oilers will tell you that they tried to land a big defensmen but not at the expense of the kids or the rebuild. The Oilers will be a bottom 8 team and will draft a center and trade Gagner and Hemsky for that defensmen you talk about but not 14-4-96-19-93

That's how I see it unfolding, there is no rush this year to get a top pairing defensmen.

Next year after the draft.

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#50 John Chambers
August 02 2012, 03:16PM
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Chester_Copperpot wrote:

There is one answer, and one answer only.

Seth Jones. He is a Chara in the making.

If the Oilers land anywhere in the top 5 - 10 picks, I would move heaven and earth to get this guy. I don't think moving one of the fab 4 would be necessary to get him. I could see a package of Hemsky/Gagner and their current first, along with 2014 first or second being enough to get the number 2 pick. I'm sure Columbus or Anaheim gets the first pick and would take Nathan Mckinnon.

First time poster. Great site. Your thoughts?

Great name - Love the Goonies reference.

You really think Anaheim will finish last or close to? I think they'll make the playoffs.

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