HOW NOT TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE

Robin Brownlee
September 25 2012 10:07PM

Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz doesn't give a crap about what people think about him. He's a billionaire. A BILLIONAIRE. I laughed out loud when I read a comment to that effect on Twitter last night. Alas, it's true.

As any all-about-the-number girl will tell you, there is no such thing as a millionaire who is ugly or fat or short or bald or who smells bad. Pick any deficiency you'd like, a big stack has it covered. Having never dropped my panties for a greasy, stubby-fingered troll with a thick wallet and a black card, I can only assume the same holds true, squared, for a billionaire.

Even allowing for that, the reality that monied people play by different rules than the rest of us do, Katz hasn't done himself or his efforts to strike a deal for a new downtown arena for the Oilers any favors with the way he's gone about his business since doling out cheques to the EIG to buy the team.

In fact, Katz couldn't have done a worse job of PR, of selling himself and his vision to the citizens and hockey fans of this city, if he tried. His latest gaffe, a stunt in which he showed up in Seattle with Kevin Lowe, Patrick LaForge and Wayne Gretzky in tow Monday – Katz can find his way to Washington but he can't or won't drive across town to meet with city council – was a not so subtle attempt to put a gun to the collective head of this city.

Whether Katz realizes it or not – he might be so detached from the hockey fans of Edmonton (he used to be one) that he doesn't care – what he actually did with that ill-advised photo-op in Seattle was stick the barrel of that one-shot gun in his own mouth. If Katz doesn't change his approach, and soon, if he doesn't figure out he's alienating huge segments of a fan base that is, or at least was, dying for a reason to get behind him, he might as well pull the trigger.

HAM-HANDED APPROACH

Jason Gregor wrote an insightful piece today about Katz's charade in Seattle and the implied threat that comes with it. While I don't discount the possibility the Oilers could move if Katz doesn’t get the deal he wants – I wrote about it here – I'm also of the mind he's looking for leverage to get a deal here. That's understandable. It's his method I can't, for the life of me, make any sense of.

Think back just five years ago, before Katz started cutting cheques to Cal Nichols and Bruce Saville and the rest of the EIG. Could there possibility be a better situation, more of an absolute godsend, for Edmonton hockey fans than having a local boy made good, a billionaire no less, ride to the rescue with his cheque book in hand? An Edmontonian. A billionaire who grew up watching the Boys on the Bus. How do you screw that up? Let us count the ways.

When Katz took over the Oilers he had a city full of hockey fans just waiting to get onside with him. He hasn’t fostered that. He hasn't talked to the people who buy tickets to watch his team play, who buy the jerseys – the same people who'd be lobbying their city councillors to stop dragging their feet and get this arena deal done now if he'd made even the slightest effort.

Is Katz frustrated at how this project has dragged on for years? Sure he is, and he should be. But he's had a big hand in that, both in the business end of the deal behind closed doors and publicly by way of his astounding inability and apparent unwillingness to at least attempt to get a passionate fan base lined up behind him. How tough, in this town, is that?

Instead of going that way, Katz pulls a page out of Peter Pocklington's Shit Show Negotiating book and rolls into Seattle. Now, he's got mayor Stephen Mandel declaring a deadline of Oct. 17 to get back before council. This arena project should have been a slam-dunk. It's anything but that now.

It should never have come to this, but here we are.

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#51 DonovanMD
September 26 2012, 09:37AM
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If I was a billionaire-playboy-hockey team owner (with a great head of hair) in a city with a mild inferiority complex, I'd probably enjoy making fans and media alike dance to.

Is Katz a terrible bluffer, or just a brilliant troll??

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#52 michael
September 26 2012, 09:38AM
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Bettman lets Phoenix hose the NHL for 25 million a year and then he lets Edmonton walk to Seattle. Really? Were not sheep. Most of us can see right through this. For those who can't go ask Jason Gregor or Dan Spencer to spell it out in little words so that you can understand. I'll start worrying when Stan Farbrother starts publicly saying something. Till then its fodder for the masses. I'd rather spend my time worrying about the cost of snow tires for my gas guzzling Suburban. Cripes $300.00 a piece for an E rated tire.

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#55 David S
September 26 2012, 10:07AM
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Truth wrote:

While it is obvious that this is just a ploy to sweeten the deal for Katz, I would have to agree with a tweet Elliot Friedman (sp?) put out a few days ago. Instead of threatening to move the team Katz should be threatening to sell the team. If it was me, I would be selling myself as the born and raised die hard Edmonton Oiler fan and am doing all I can to keep this team in Edmonton, but if the deal cannot make sense financially I would be forced to sell it to someone else. Potentially someone in another market.

I truly don't believe that Katz is trying to squeeze more money out of city council in order to pad his pocketbook more. He is ensuring that this new arena deal will provide stability to the Oilers in Edmonton. No matter how good or bad the deal seems for the city it is a win-win. If the city has to invest the full $450M for a project downtown that is not only going to be run and maintained by a third party contractor, but is going to play a major part in the revitalization of downtown while potentially providing BILLIONS in future revenue through taxes and tourism, it is a great deal for the city and the taxpayers.

Everyone is so hung up on this deal being bad because Katz is a billionaire and the potential is there for him to make money. The EIG was in the business for the exact same reasons. Who knows, we can't be for certain there won't be another NEP that cripples the Alberta economy. Sure, the Oilers made $18M two years ago and have one of the up and coming teams. What happens 10 years from now? 20? 30?

The Seattle relocation is a bad deal for Katz and everybody here knows it, so I'm pretty sure he does too. But what if he was in Seattle to talk about selling the team?

I tell ya, the real sticking point in this whole deal is the uncertainty Northlands presents when trying to calculate revenue. They have Rexall busy for 220 days/nights a year. The average as I hear is in the range of 170.

Do you think Northlands is going to give up all that revenue without a fight? It's their primary cash generator without which they're out of business. They'll compete tooth and nail for every piece of business available in this city.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out AEG, the Katz group partner is demanding some sort of revenue certainty before comitting to the deal. That either means a casino-like operations cash inflow or straight subsidy. AEG may have in fact changed the conditions of the deal on Katz at the last moment, but of course we'll never know for sure.

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#56 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 26 2012, 10:09AM
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Deep Oil wrote:

Interesting comments, seems I have been taking flak for this some time.

Can we review the facts.....

To move a team to Seattle from Canada - the transfer fee would be $100million, just a little higher than the $75 - $90million that Winnpeg paid on the Trashers, Katz has proven that he does not have the cash, and would need to get another loan. Pocklington had other businesses, sold them off or ran them into the ground. Katz has admitted in his Alberta Venture interview, his investments are leveraged. The Oilers have a $100 million, the journal did a story on his $24milion home, his wife sued her brothers and deceased fathers estate. So the city is trusting a partner that needs help in his $100million portion of the investment on the rink ? A concillor leaked the fact Katz has pressured the city in being a full time tenant in one of his development buildings, 100% tenant at his lease rates. City is being asked for a $6million dollars subsidy per annum, corporate welfare for a league to 5 - 10 in revenue ?

City is providing a $2million advertising subsidy per year for 10 years.

City is giving the present owner the naming rights, and concession rights.

Katz wants to take the present non profit casino money / license away from children programs to fund the arena.

Chris Hansen has funded his arena project of $290 million, plus a bond repayment of $200 million, plus $40 million in parking infastructure.

Gary Bettman has a bigger ego than most owners, he has saved this team once, and fights for cities with a full building.

The present owner would have to search locally for 24 months for another local owner, then have the balls to request the Board of Governors for a transfer, while other teams lose $10 - $30 million per year.

I am just disappointed that most Oiler Nation readers did not see this 3 years ago.

I do enjoy the fact that you think Katz negotiating hard means he doesn't have the $$.

What you take flax for, is/was ridiculous notion that having loans and a wife who took legal action over $$ means a person is broke.

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#57 rubbertrout
September 26 2012, 10:30AM
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Anthony wrote:

Robin,

I completely agree. I think he had a real chance to be like the Sabres owner Pegula, instead hes Pocklington 2.0.

This hits the nail on the head.

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#58 David S
September 26 2012, 11:01AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Deep Oils take has merit. Many people act based on needs. He's financing 100% of his investment into this facility. I think even i mentioned a couple yrs ago, Katz was needing to fast track this project because his resources were dwindling.

Revitalize downtown my arse, Katz wants the keys to this facilty to revitalize his own finacial interest.

Other than startup costs the city will be financing everything too. And the problem is???

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#59 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 11:30AM
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David S wrote:

Other than startup costs the city will be financing everything too. And the problem is???

Control David.

What if the profits from this facilty went into City coffers instead of Katz' pockets. What if this facility alone gave the city the finacial benifit for other opportunities. I'd rather see the approz 15 mill+ in profits every yr go onto city coffers than under the direction of Katz.

All this is gone if they do this deal with Mr. Arrogant himself Daryl Katz.

Daryl may own the Oilers but lest we forget, Edmonton is the market, and that is managed/guided by the City of Edmonton. Edmonton is one of two teams left in the NHL that doesn't control their home facilities, and they still manged to be 18 million in the black. Imagine what could be if Katz could be removed from this new facility equasion. How long will it be till Katz starts holding his breath till he turns blue in the face? It's kinda refreshing to see Mr. Arrogant not get everything he wants.

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#60 Truth
September 26 2012, 11:34AM
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How come nobody thinks this is the city's fault?

We all know very little about what was actually agreed upon. If it was agreed that $6M/year would be coming to Katz by means of a casino or any other and now the city is saying no chance, why would Katz be to blame?

Of course he has to look after his own interests. Why, as a good Edmontonian, doesn't he buy the arena himself and hand out free tickets to all of us superfans. We deserve this team more than anyone, right? No, he is not stupid, nor is he a bad businessman. Nobody here would invest in something they are not confident will provide them a positive return. How is he different?

I buy cheap stocks that look promising. I don't buy stocks that don't. Katz buys a team and wants to make money, if the deal isn't going to make him money he'll go somewhere that will allow him to.

There are 2 years remaining on the lease agreement with Rexall. Sure, Rexall might be suitable for another 5 years or so, but why would Katz agree to re-up the lease when he knows 7 years (approx.) from now the team will have to be relocated. If the city isn't going to provide help on a $450M building now, what are the chances they help on the same building that costs $550M seven years from now.

If it was possible I would take out a loan right now to pay for the entire arena myself. I would agree to not take a cent of revenue from the actual goings on inside the arena if I was guaranteed the future tax and other associated revenues surrounding a more vibrant downtown.

I know of people buying property in the future arena area right now (that is currently a $*%#hole) for big money because of the arena deal. Are these high property costs due to the baccarat? This deal is a no-brainer, even if the city pays the full cost. Who cares if the billionaire makes money, maybe tickets costs will go down? Maybe we will be able to afford to keep Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and company for years.

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#61 David S
September 26 2012, 11:38AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Control David.

What if the profits from this facilty went into City coffers instead of Katz' pockets. What if this facility alone gave the city the finacial benifit for other opportunities. I'd rather see the approz 15 mill+ in profits every yr go onto city coffers than under the direction of Katz.

All this is gone if they do this deal with Mr. Arrogant himself Daryl Katz.

Daryl may own the Oilers but lest we forget, Edmonton is the market, and that is managed/guided by the City of Edmonton. Edmonton is one of two teams left in the NHL that doesn't control their home facilities, and they still manged to be 18 million in the black. Imagine what could be if Katz could be removed from this new facility equasion. How long will it be till Katz starts holding his breath till he turns blue in the face? It's kinda refreshing to see Mr. Arrogant not get everything he wants.

The profits the city gets is the tax revenue from the development over 35 years, conservatively estimated at $2 Billion and total potential of in excess of $5 Billion.

That's a whole lot of pothole fixin', bike paths and green space.

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#62 DMan
September 26 2012, 11:45AM
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Truth wrote:

How come nobody thinks this is the city's fault?

We all know very little about what was actually agreed upon. If it was agreed that $6M/year would be coming to Katz by means of a casino or any other and now the city is saying no chance, why would Katz be to blame?

Of course he has to look after his own interests. Why, as a good Edmontonian, doesn't he buy the arena himself and hand out free tickets to all of us superfans. We deserve this team more than anyone, right? No, he is not stupid, nor is he a bad businessman. Nobody here would invest in something they are not confident will provide them a positive return. How is he different?

I buy cheap stocks that look promising. I don't buy stocks that don't. Katz buys a team and wants to make money, if the deal isn't going to make him money he'll go somewhere that will allow him to.

There are 2 years remaining on the lease agreement with Rexall. Sure, Rexall might be suitable for another 5 years or so, but why would Katz agree to re-up the lease when he knows 7 years (approx.) from now the team will have to be relocated. If the city isn't going to provide help on a $450M building now, what are the chances they help on the same building that costs $550M seven years from now.

If it was possible I would take out a loan right now to pay for the entire arena myself. I would agree to not take a cent of revenue from the actual goings on inside the arena if I was guaranteed the future tax and other associated revenues surrounding a more vibrant downtown.

I know of people buying property in the future arena area right now (that is currently a $*%#hole) for big money because of the arena deal. Are these high property costs due to the baccarat? This deal is a no-brainer, even if the city pays the full cost. Who cares if the billionaire makes money, maybe tickets costs will go down? Maybe we will be able to afford to keep Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and company for years.

I don't think anyone has said the city isn't at fault for this mess... Personally, I don't believe the city has taken enough ownership of the problem... Not one member of city council is on the negotiating team... That's sad in IMO...

You'd really pay for the entire arena and not agree to take a portion of the generated revenue?? I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but your point is well taken... Personally, I do want the city to have a back-up plan to build a downtown arena should negotiations not make any real headway by October 17th... But now if the city assumes the entire risk - they need assume 100% control of the arena, the revenue generated from it on off Oiler nights, etc.

That's the art of negotiation... Right now (IMO), Katz wants the money and the assistance, but not the actual partnership that comes along with the investment.

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#63 Rick
September 26 2012, 12:09PM
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@David S

No it's not, the estimated $2 billion is the added value of the tax revenue in the whole CRL area, not just the development.

The development may spur an acceleration of that Tax revenue but it isn't a case of if it will or will not happen as a result of the arena development.

It could just as easily be argued that with out the arena the CRL area wouldn't be leveraged against the arena debt and because of that there would actually be even more money for pothole repair, bike paths and green spaces.

Of course the trade off is the amount of time it takes for it to take off.

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#64 jr_christ
September 26 2012, 12:11PM
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Hot shot billionaire nice guy turned evil... never saw this one coming. I lived in Edmonton as a neighbour to Darryl's mom and dad. I still remember the conversation where his dad told me "now now, young man. It isn't appropriate for you to call me Max... the correct way to address me would be Mr. Katz".

One thanksgiving dinner Margret and Max had us over and I asked why he didn't have his son (whom he rarely spoke about) over for dinner. Mr. Katz, as it were, told me he had a huge falling out with his son after he graduated with his law degree and sought out an entreprenurial role in pharmacuticals. It seems this family line doesn't play normal ball... so I wouldn't be surprised if Darryl ended up taking this team out of the city because he had a "falling out with the city"

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#65 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 12:19PM
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@Truth

The City aren't the ones with their hand out on this venture.

The same "revitalization" expectations came with the Coliseum in 1975. What happened there, was it the decision to put locks on all the doors....a failure to learn Quicken?

Same ship, different yr for this new facility, or will this finally be the elysium project we hoped we were getting in 1975? Not likely.

Katz is in it to revitalize himself, not the downtown core. His actions during these proceedings appears to be more of helping himself to Edmonton rather than helping Edmonton. There's a big difference between the two.

CRL revenues are only hopeful numbers to be parked right along side the hopes of revitalization. Since we're paying for it anyways, why not own the hope/profits rather than give it to Katz.

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#66 Reagan
September 26 2012, 12:56PM
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It really goes to show you how professional and couteous the katz group really is. Makes me wonder if this scharade is really about katz doing his homework on how other business people got the work done correctly...

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#67 Rick
September 26 2012, 01:16PM
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@David S

I didn't think you were making it up.

But I do think you were mistaken is saying that the $2 Billion were coming from that development.

It's not. It's coming from the growth of the surrounding area. How much of that growth can be directly attributed to the arena will be debated for years. Even once there is the benefit of hindsight.

As far as it being a catalyst. I don't disagree but that is a pretty open ended assertion.

I would argue it's a catalyst in terms of how quickly revitalization will be realized. Not that revitalization will live and die with the arena.

And jut to be clear, I am an unabashed arena project booster. I think it's part of a ready made solution to a much more complex issue and will greately benefit the downtown and city as a whole.

However, I also believe that context has to be maintained when discussing what this project will or won't do.

Any suggestion is that the ONLY way a city of 1 million people can turn their downtown into something more desireable is dependant on a hockey rink is about as silly a notion as Katz actually moving the team to Seattle within the next two years.

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#68 vetinari
September 26 2012, 01:41PM
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The issue isn't whether someone should profit from the construction of a new stadium-- that's a moot point-- the issue is whether Katz should be given a more favourable deal by the tax payers to keep the Oilers in Edmonton given that there previously appeared to be a framework for an agreement that all sides could live with.

What is frustrating is this:

Katz wants more money and concessions from the public under threat of moving the Oil when the franchise is already profitable and has been subsidized by the Oiler faithful by nightly sellouts through three losing seasons of 30th, 30th and 29th place overall!

Katz is clearly sending a mixed message to the public-- on the one hand, the Oil is a hockey institution that saw some of the league's best play in their colours for years and that he saved from a cumbersome ownership group, while on the other hand, the Oilers are his personal toy to do with as he pleases which includes moving them out of town if the public doesn't give him more.

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#69 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 01:50PM
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@David S

Profits that would belong to the City of Edmonton aren't any less valueable than profits that would line Daryls pockets.

Edmonton is in the arena management business, they're called Northlands. Edmonton Northlands would be capable of running the new building. What's the difference between Katz running the building and Northlands/the City? CRL benifits would still be in play.

This should be the building that Edmonton built, not the building that Katz built. Remove that poser Katz from the equasion, same results.

What's next for this Katz caracter, is he going to be at the doors of ETS wanting 50% of the haul from LRT fares?

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 02:39PM
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David S wrote:

Katz will NOT deal with Northlands in a lease situation any further than 2014. They have been at extreme odds for years. On top of which a revised version of his current agreement where he doesn't get non HRR will practically ensure he either sells or relocates the team. That arrangement doesn't provide enough operating revenue for the team to be viable (and is the primary motivation for a new arena). Pretty much every other team in the league is not crippled by such an agreement.

Don't give him the choice then. He owns a hockey team but he doesn't own this market. If that's the price, then let him move his Oilers to Seattle.

He already had a deal in place last October, now he wants a better deal. Does the guy need some Midol or something? He had a functional agreement that effectively had him in control of this building. Within 15 yrs, he won't have a nickel of his own money tied up in this facility, yet he'll still control the profits off the backs of us the taxpayers.

I'm all for the new arena David, but please, don't be handing out dunce caps to all Edmonton residents. It's obvious we're just a bunch of sheep according to Katz. Why the need to do this deal with Daryl, when we can own it, we're paying for it anyways.

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#71 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 03:29PM
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@KenL

He had a more than fair deal a yr ago. Now he's picking up some sheep ship and rubbing it in our faces.

Distancing himself from any and all finacial risk. He's running an NHL hockey team in Canada, how much risk can there be?

Him pulling this Seattle tactic just confirms he has little respect for Edmonton hockey fans, he's vulnerable now and have to think the finacial ground under his feet is shrinking. Finacially he's nothing without the benifit of Edmonton taxpayers paying the full freight on this project.

Enjoy this control over him while the taxpayers still have it. When he gets what he wants, he won't give hockey fans the time of day.

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#72 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 05:54PM
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@The Soup Fascist

....and the Katz group promises to be much more efficient, Soupy?

What did Katz blow on his Monday trip down to Seattle, a hundred and fifty G to "check out" possible Oiler interests. That was certainly well spent season ticket holder monies. How is he going to be any more responsible than Northlands?

Pot, meet Kettle?

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#73 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 07:12PM
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With Katz turning up the heat for all involved, there's little that can be done now to prevent him from getting everything he wants.

It's too bad this deal couldn't fall into the lap of the EIG. Seems as though Daryls turned out to be a little on the arrogant side/douche.

EIG would have been more deserving of a deal like Katz is getting.

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#74 Quicksilver ballet
September 26 2012, 07:53PM
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David S wrote:

You should listen to Bruce Saville's interview on Oilers Now. The EIG would not have been able to float this deal.

You and i could make this work if we were getting the same deal Katz will finally get David.

I'll open (am shift), you close (pm shift)....deal?

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#75 Walter Sobchak
September 26 2012, 09:45PM
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@David S

Just a "keep your head up” sincere prop here, it’s hard to argue facts and points to emotional or upset masses, even worse when the comments are grossly inaccurate.

Your take on this matter is spot on and I choose not to comment cause you sir are extremely well informed and are presenting the argument that I no longer have the stomach for.

Good Day Mr. S.

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#76 Not A Northlands Fan
September 26 2012, 10:07PM
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Having lived in Edmonton for 60 years and growing up where right beside the "Edmonton Exhibition " grounds . I always felt that the EXA (Northlands) was a complete old boys club. From summer jobs on down nepotism was the rule. I see no reason for this organization to exist and all their assets should be returned to the City to be consolidated with other similar assets. For Rexall place to compete with the new arena is beyond strange.

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#77 Not A Northlands Fan
September 26 2012, 10:14PM
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KenL wrote:

A caller on Stauffer's show today provided some insight which I haven't heard before. The optics of the new $6M annual operating cost subsidy makes it look like Katz is contributing nothing in the project, since his $100M investment would be repaid over 30 years in annual $5M installments. On the surface, it looks like Katz is pocketing an additional $1M annually.

What the caller pointed out was that the $6M is not an automatic annual cheque. Rather it only kicks in should the Katz group not generate enough revenue to cover operating costs, and is up to a maximum of $6M. Presumably if Katz group is $2M in the hole one year, the city would cut a cheque for $2M. Katz would still pay his annual $5M to cover his share of construction costs.

If this is what has actually been proposed - why the hell hasn't this been communicated by both camps??? While this still makes Katz look like a welcher on the original Oct agreement, I think it would be more palatable and provides room for both sides to meet in the middle. As an example, the City could ask for repayment of the subsidy in years when the Oilers have a large profit.

Bottom line, if Katz would make more of an effort to speak to Edmontonians (Oiler fans or not) who ultimately are footing the bill for the bulk of the construction costs, rather than pulling off a d-bag move like going to Seattle - the temperature of this debate wouldn't be so intense.

I've been a supporter of the arena project from day 1. But I'm having a hell of a time defending it today.

With management fees , royalty fees etc etc there is no way the company that is entitled to the subsidy will be in a profit position. If company A can get a 6 million dollar subsidy, they will transfer out revenue and load in expenses so that a loss is guaranteed. The city should do their own due diligence and base the subsidy on tickets sold or some other accountable standard.

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#78 Mitch
September 26 2012, 11:46PM
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@Brownlee Katz has more money than anyone could ever need. What bothers me is this, he's a very successful person and in order to become a billionaire you probably have to be a extremely good communicator. I don't understand how a person that owns the most recognizable brand in the city and has the most benefit to gain acts like he don't really care and most importantly wont talk and does not even want to be heard from unless it is to his and only his liking.

Katz made the biggest of mistakes by having his people issue a statement, this statement is of total ignorance and arrogance. I hope the people of Edmonton are past the relocation threats this team always seem to be associated with, I know I'am.

Personally I don't wish Darryl any success. If he don't like owning the Oilers because they aren't profitable sell the team no one held a gun to his head and said buy this team.

For Katz it's all about building a brand and having control.

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#79 Morgie99
September 27 2012, 06:53PM
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David S wrote:

This is true. I've had dealings with them. They get away with alot under the guise of "not for profit". All the while charging you $12 bucks to walk a solid kilometer from their crappy parking lot to RX1 when it's -40C.

Ya, I'm sure if Katz owned the parking lot he'd charge less? Ya right

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