More Ales Hemsky trade rumours!

Jonathan Willis
January 12 2013 01:11PM

He’s no Roberto Luongo, but Ales Hemsky is no stranger to trade rumours. The lead-up to last season’s trade deadline featured his name prominently in proposed and rumoured deals; it caught many by surprise when the Oilers opted to re-sign him rather than trade him.

With NHL hockey on its way back, the rumours seem to have started again.

Why I don’t buy *these* rumours

The Fourth Period, which bills itself as “Hockey’s Lifestyle Magazine” says that Hemsky could be on the move in exchange for a young defenceman and specifically cites four Eastern Conference teams as possibly having an interest in the player: the Panthers, Devils, Islanders and Jets.

The piece is here. Personally, I don’t buy it for a bunch of reasons:

  • One of the players cited as going the other way – TFP goes so far as to say a league source told them the Jets and Oilers “could soon explore a deal” involving him – is Zach Bogosian. Bogosian had wrist surgery at the end of August and was expected to miss between four and six months; he skated for the first time since the surgery just four days ago. That makes it hard to include him in a deal.
  • Also, Bogosian had a great year last season filling in when guys like Enstrom and Byfuglien were out of the lineup; it seems a stretch to say the Jets are looking to deal him now.
  • The piece describes the Oilers defence as Justin Schultz “leading a defensive corps that includes veterans Ryan Whitney, Ladislav Smid and Nick Schultz” and makes no mention of Jeff Petry – the 25-year old who led the team in ice-time per game last year and is expected to form one half of the first pairing.
  • The piece also describes the Oilers second line as Sam Gagner, Ryan Smyth and Ales Hemsky – despite expectations that Smyth will start the year on the third line alongside Shawn Horcoff. This isn’t a critical mistake – we haven’t seen the Oilers lines yet, after all – but it seems odd.

Put it all together and there’s no reason to think that The Fourth Period has any special knowledge of internal Oilers discussions regarding Ales Hemsky. There's also no reason to believe they, or their "league source" have any special knowledge of internal Jets conversations. 

Why Hemsky might get dealt anyway

While I don’t find these specific rumours credible, an Ales Hemsky trade continues to be well within the realm of possibility.

The Oilers have strength on the wings, much of it extremely young. They have needs elsewhere. Hemsky, particularly given his injury history, is a valuable player but seems to be seen as a guy the club could move forward without.

The Oilers could probably use another defenceman, too. The addition of Justin Schultz helps a lot, and there’s a fairly decent supporting cast, but a top-pairing defender could dramatically change the complexion of the team. Hemsky’s probably not going to bring that guy back in trade, but the idea of swapping him for another top-four guy to round out the group, or as part of a package for a big centre is plausible.

We also know the Oilers are interested in making a move. The “wow factor” move that Bob Stauffer brought up this fall generated considerable discussion, and even though that move now seems unlikely, it was all but confirmed at the time by Kevin Lowe. I’m convinced there were legitimate discussions, and reviewing the Oilers’ assets Hemsky hits the sweet spot of having value but also being tradable.

Put shortly: a trade wouldn’t surprise me. What would surprise me is if the unknown author behind The Fourth Period’s report has actual knowledge of such a trade.

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#1 OilClog
January 12 2013, 01:30PM
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Seems ridiculous to me that Hemsky is just tossed around in trade rumors. Before the wonder kids he was all we had to look forward to, now we have pieces for him to play with and were gonna move him?! Frustrating as a fan.

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#2 justDOit
January 12 2013, 01:15PM
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This was the best page I found on thefourthperiod.com

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/icegirls/

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#4 Wax Man Riley
January 12 2013, 02:08PM
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I say no to a Hemsky trade. the only way I trade Hemsky is if a PROVEN #1 D comes back, or a younger (-26 year old) center with size and skating ability that can be a real #1A/#2 C that can replace Gagner.

Hemsky has experience, and has been a loyal soldier when he was our only skill player. He makes a dynamite #1,#2,#3 RW depending on what is needed.

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#6 RexLibris
January 12 2013, 01:25PM
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If the Oilers are interested in moving Hemsky they could capitalize closer to the trade deadline by tying Hemsky's value to the potential bidding war that could emerge around players like Iginla.

In the same way that Ponikarovsky's value was raised as a consolation prize during the Kovalchuk trade hoopla.

It might be prudent to wait until the season begins, though, and allow Hemsky to either partner with, or shelter, Yakupov.

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#7 Bob Cob
January 12 2013, 01:38PM
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Ales Hemsky is not going anywhere, he will play out his new 2 year contract than be a free agent. Despite the kids, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak and Schultz the Oilers still need the experience that Hemsky brings. Hall, Eberle and RNH will probably be the top line, meaning Hemsky will see easier competition and in my veiw Hemsky will have a bounce back year. If they trade him it wouldn't suprise me if it was this summer around the draft.

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#8 Truth
January 12 2013, 02:05PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I want to see Ryane Clowe become an Oiler, if it takes Hemsky to be part of a deal for that to happen I'm all for it.

That does not fit the young defenseman rumour, but I think the Oilers would benefit greatly from getting bigger and meaner up front. Clowe can play top 6 minutes, puts up good numbers, and most importantly isn't afraid to get his hands dirty.

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#9 David S
January 12 2013, 02:19PM
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There sure is alot of people out there thinking Justin Schultz is going to fit right in on the back end. He might have offensive flair but he's gonna get schooled for a couple of years by NHL forwards.

As far as Hemsky goes, he's out of the core group's age range, which is pretty much why we dumped Dustin Penner after a banner year. I really thought he'd be gone by now if we didn't have that damn lockout.

*Looks over shoulder to see if Travis Dakin is sneaking up with a meat cleaver*

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#10 Sanaa Montana
January 12 2013, 03:31PM
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Trading Hemsky makes no sense what so ever, just like the purpose of this article.

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#11 Irfani
January 12 2013, 01:41PM
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@OilClog

exactly, i agree with you, Hemsky has been our best player for 8 years and now we just trade him becaose we got few better players. this trade would not make oilers better. plus next year we have Clefbom coming to NHL, where is he gonna fit.

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#12 Truth
January 12 2013, 02:01PM
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@Jeff

As a Devils fan, obviously.

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#13 DieHard
January 12 2013, 02:07PM
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Hemsky should retire an Oiler (just like Smid). After this contract do another 2 years at less money and keep doing it. He is needed for secondary scoring, his experience and backup for top 6 work (eventually). Please keep him.

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#14 dougtheslug
January 12 2013, 02:18PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I say no to a Hemsky trade. the only way I trade Hemsky is if a PROVEN #1 D comes back, or a younger (-26 year old) center with size and skating ability that can be a real #1A/#2 C that can replace Gagner.

Hemsky has experience, and has been a loyal soldier when he was our only skill player. He makes a dynamite #1,#2,#3 RW depending on what is needed.

Plus he has been battling through injury the past 2-3 years. Off his Czech Elite League performance recently, this would appear to be the first time in years he is starting the season healthy. He's going to turn some heads this season.

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#15 GVBlackhawk
January 12 2013, 08:30PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

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You are always chirping Willis. Did he steal your girlfriend in high school or something?

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#16 GVBlackhawk
January 12 2013, 08:33PM
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Oileryugioh12 wrote:

Hemsky,Gagner, 1st round pick, for Phaneuf

Thumbs down.

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#17 Jeff
January 12 2013, 01:54PM
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The only trade rumour I want to hear is trading Nail Yakupov for Adam Larsson.

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#18 Jeff
January 12 2013, 02:04PM
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@Truth

WOW

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#19 EHH Team
January 12 2013, 02:15PM
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Jeff wrote:

The only trade rumour I want to hear is trading Nail Yakupov for Adam Larsson.

give your head a shake

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#20 Truth
January 12 2013, 02:20PM
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@Jeff

Well if we are looking at bolstering the blue line how about Taylor Hall for Victor Hedman, and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Erik Gudbranson. Why bother with Hemsky for Bogosian when the Oilers could just do Eberle for Bogosian.

If you are saying Yakupov for Larsson I think you are nuts. If you are saying Yakupov for Larsson + something very considerable then I could buy it. My opinion only.

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#21 positivebrontefan
January 12 2013, 02:20PM
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Ryan Rishaug just tweeted that the Oilers are starting on the road against Vancouver???

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#22 Truth
January 12 2013, 02:30PM
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@positivebrontefan

Saw that too, HNIC obviously has considerable pull, but why not go MTL-TOR, CGY-EDM, and VAN-whoever. OTT and WPG get pushed back until a later date because they aren't in the same division and will probably be not playing each other off the bat. 2 rivalry games and they get to appease the rioters. Seems simple.

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#23 The Foz
January 12 2013, 02:31PM
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Subban Subban Subban Subban Subban Subban Subban.

Please, thanks.

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#24 Jeff
January 12 2013, 02:34PM
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@Truth

Last year at the draft I thought the Oilers should have trade their #1 pick for Adam Larsson and NJ 1st round pick ( 29) . I thought it might actually be a possibility since NJ could have waived it's pick but they didn't.

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#25 Light, Sweet, Crude
January 12 2013, 03:13PM
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@Truth

I too am pro-Clowe.

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#26 Jeff
January 12 2013, 03:20PM
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I'm a fan of Ryan O'Reilly. Would like to see him in Oiler colors

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#27 Sanaa Montana
January 12 2013, 03:33PM
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@Jonathan Willis

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#28 vetinari
January 12 2013, 03:48PM
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Hemmer stays until at least July... He has to prove he's healed, and most teams won't add salary when they have to trim excess players by July 1 to get cap compliant. In fact, Hemmer may be untradeable at his current salary, unless a team is making a run at the deadline.

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#29 Rama Lama
January 12 2013, 04:03PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I get that. I've always thought Hemsky gets kind of a raw deal in terms of how he's been talked about the last few years.

Absolutely one of my favourite players to watch, and for years the sole bright spot on the team.

Yea he is one of my favourites as well........about one out of every 100 (end to end )plays that he makes is actually productive.

If Hemsky could actually learn about team play ( that being making the play while the play is there) and not individual play, I would say keep him.

Watching him trying to beat every player on the opposition only to lose the puck is very frustrating.

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#30 Rocknrolla
January 12 2013, 04:43PM
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Schedule is here.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=60153&d=1358025645

Not sure if its approved....

That's a hell of a long road trip...

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#31 Travis Dakin
January 12 2013, 04:45PM
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David S wrote:

There sure is alot of people out there thinking Justin Schultz is going to fit right in on the back end. He might have offensive flair but he's gonna get schooled for a couple of years by NHL forwards.

As far as Hemsky goes, he's out of the core group's age range, which is pretty much why we dumped Dustin Penner after a banner year. I really thought he'd be gone by now if we didn't have that damn lockout.

*Looks over shoulder to see if Travis Dakin is sneaking up with a meat cleaver*

I see you and I heard that.

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#32 MAC962
January 12 2013, 04:55PM
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I am Anti-Hemsky but.... This is probably the best supporting cast he has had a chance to play with since he got here.

I say we see what he can do since he is healthy and happy since he got to play at home and be with is family, This could be finally his breakout year. If he is mediocore with this talent, he should go depending on the return of course. I am just not sold on him but this could be his make or break 48 game stint and i believe management is looking at it as such as well. Light it up Hemmer and prove me wrong, i would love to see it and me eating crow.

GO OILERS !!

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#33 2:00 AM
January 12 2013, 05:03PM
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pls no more articles about this dead horse story, i am to the point of not reading any articles that start with "Trade rumors."

the 4th period is garbage in my opinion, they just want to stir the pot,

(bored writer employed by 4th period) "hmm what always stirs up controversy and needs no actual information to be considered as valid? I know!!! trade rumors!! OKOKOK, who can i write about that could be traded and people care about... hmmm, luongo? no hes too well covered... Iginla? no, noone actually believes hes getting out of that dump before hes 90... AHH I HAVE IT!! Ales Hemsky."

and boom we are having this conversation. Stop... just stop.

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#34 Oileryugioh12
January 12 2013, 06:16PM
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Hemsky,Gagner, 1st round pick, for Phaneuf

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#35 The Soup Fascist
January 12 2013, 07:00PM
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Oileryugioh12 wrote:

Hemsky,Gagner, 1st round pick, for Phaneuf

No Thanks Mr. Nonis. Don't you have a goalie to trade for?

...... And a knife to pull out of your boy, Brian's back.

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#36 DigDeepNBleedBlue
January 12 2013, 07:00PM
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I think it's only logical to be looking to move an aging player who has a cap hit of 5mil for this and next year. Sorry, but regardless of what he's accomplished as an Oiler the point isn't to feel emotion for any said player but to be driven for the end goal. A Stanley Cup. And I believe the Big Bog can help in that feat. Though, Chevy would be on the crack pipe if he made that straight up...

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#37 Cheap Shot Charlie
January 12 2013, 08:08PM
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vetinari wrote:

Hemmer stays until at least July... He has to prove he's healed, and most teams won't add salary when they have to trim excess players by July 1 to get cap compliant. In fact, Hemmer may be untradeable at his current salary, unless a team is making a run at the deadline.

I would disagree that Hemmer may be untradeable. I think his salary is reasonable. Despite being a tier below elite, he's paid a tier below elite. NYI, Florida, Dallas, Phoenix, Columbus, Nashville and Toronto are all options now. Next summer Carolina, Calgary, Anaheim, Montreal and Buffalo could all join the mix. I'd keep him unless it was a deal that was favourable to the Oilers though.

Tambi signing him until he needed the room for RNH's contract was the right thing to do.

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#38 OILERSORDEATH
January 12 2013, 08:09PM
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Jeff wrote:

The only trade rumour I want to hear is trading Nail Yakupov for Adam Larsson.

Oh Hell no!! Dude are you stupid??

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#39 aguy
January 12 2013, 08:22PM
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If the Oilers are thinking of trading Hemsky, they can capitalize but not trading him.

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#40 aguy
January 12 2013, 08:22PM
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@aguy

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#41 GVBlackhawk
January 12 2013, 08:31PM
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@aguy

There is an edit button.

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#42 GVBlackhawk
January 12 2013, 08:44PM
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Since we are armchair GM'ing, I would offer Hemsky and Jones to Buffalo for Sekera and their 2nd in this year's draft. Then I would attempt to take that 2nd and package it with our 2nd (or the 2nd from Anaheim) and our 1st to trade up and grab a top centerman.

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#43 Jeff
January 12 2013, 09:01PM
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Sam Gagner for Ryan O'Reilly

Yakupov for Adam Larsson

This would make Oilers a better team within 3 years.

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#44 Dog Train
January 12 2013, 09:11PM
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The three most common trade assets brought up seem to be Hemsky, Gagner and Paajarvi. Paajarvi likely has very little trade value right now. Gagner would be hard to deal without another centre coming back and that would seem unlikely unless it was part of a bigger deal. Hemsky has the best balance of being expendable and valuable. I am a fan of his and don't feel like we need to rush trading him but it's pretty obvious that Hall, Eberle, RNH and the Yak have 4 of the top 6 spots for the foreseeable future and the fact that Hemmer has not played centre in the NHL and it's easy to see Hemmer being the odd man out.

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#45 Oileryugioh12
January 12 2013, 09:51PM
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PEOPLE need o realize that Hemsky is not getting any better. His stats are down and he's gonna be 30 this year. He isn't exactly getting better. WHAT I would is since I have JORDAN EBERLE, HOPKINS, HALL,NAIL YAKAPOV. I have all the offense I need. So i would look to Sam Gagner, Ryan Smyth, Horcoff,Hemsky. Take TWO of FOUR of those players put a draft pick in and see if i can get a Legit Golaie or some defense that can help Ryan Whitney, and Justin Schultz out. Face it guys Until Oilers make a trade where we can get some defense or a legit goalie, we won't be making the playoffs for awhile. Hemsky AND HORCOFF aren't the guys that will lead us into the playoffs.

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#46 Old Retired Guy
January 12 2013, 10:12PM
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Hemsky is a more talented and courageous/physical player than most outsiders give him credit for. I have appreciated watching him play.

However, his injuries have been too big a liability.

Time to give him protected minutes on the second line and on the PP to boost his numbers in preperation for a trade in the offseason.

Like the guy a lot....but Hockey is a business.

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#47 Oilertown
January 12 2013, 10:15PM
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Jeff wrote:

Sam Gagner for Ryan O'Reilly

Yakupov for Adam Larsson

This would make Oilers a better team within 3 years.

I like your first trade but no way I'm giving up Yak straight up for Larsson and I like Larsson. Yakupov could end up being the best of Ebs Hall Nuge.

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#48 Walter Sobchak
January 12 2013, 11:08PM
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MOU signed, time to see Tambellini's "WoW" trade!

Go for Subban or Del Zotto! make it so. None of the fab five included.

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#49 David S
January 12 2013, 11:13PM
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You guys know that if you trade Sam Gagner, you'd have to be getting back a C at least as good, who coincidentally will be making almost the same money. Your alternative is Trading Sam for a decent D (which pretty much nobody will give up in a shortened season) and having Horcoff (*spits*) or Belanger (*punches self*) up in the 2C spot.

You're not going to be breaking in a kid like Hall at C this year when every game counts. If the Oilers want to make the playoffs with that retarded 9 game road trip, they'll have to go for broke pretty much every game. Given that half the team doesn't even know how to do that any more, I'm really interested to see how things turn out.

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#50 Small town dreams
January 12 2013, 11:32PM
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Well there is seems to be a lot of Hemsky colored glasses being worn. I say take what's available for Ales, before someone puts him back on the IR. it was pretty obvious he is not viewed as high around the league as he is by some of the die hard supporters here. He is at best a second line winger on a good team. Take what's out there. And move on

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