DAY TWO OF CAMP

Jason Gregor
January 15 2013 12:44PM

The first thing you notice with Ralph Krueger as head coach is how little time is wasted during practice. The Oilers first session lasted 30 minutes, but without any long breaks. Krueger has preached "pace" since being named head coach, and through two days of training camp his players have gotten a taste of what he'll expect.

There is nothing worse than wasting time during practice standing around. Krueger outlines all his drills prior to going on the ice, he expects his player to remember them, and when practice starts it is non-stop action.

Through two days it is easily the most up-tempo practices I have watched in a long time.

Many great coaches and players have stated that how you practice defines how you play. If you practice hard, you will play hard, and Krueger is a staunch believer in this philosophy. You can expect the Oilers to be a much more aggressive team this season, not necessarily in a devastating physical fashion, but they will pressure the puck in all three zones and Krueger will demand all of this players attack the puck.

Krueger will put his stamp on this team later this week when he unveils some new alternate captains.

I tweeted yesterday that Jordan Eberle will get a letter this year, and Aaron Ward tweeted that Nick Schultz will be getting one as well. I'm not sure if the Oilers will go with four alternates, two for home games and two for road games, and keep Ryan Whitney and Ales Hemsky wearing a letter, or if he might have four new alternate captains. If he goes with four, I suspect Taylor Hall and Ladislav Smid will be the other candidates.

Ryan Smyth could get a letter, but his game won't change whether he wears one or not, and I think Krueger wants to see some of the young guys take more of a leadership role.

UPDATED*** Eberle will wear an A full-time this season, while Nick Schultz and Hall will rotate wearing the other A. Krueger announced this after practice. Whitney and Hemsky will no longer wear a letter.

FISTRIC TRADE

I like the acquisition of Mark Fistric, mainly because the Oilers don't have much depth on the blueline. With Andy Sutton done for the season, the Oilers only had 7 NHL-ready D-men prior to the Fistric trade. The Oilers also don't have many defenders who can play physical, which is Fistric's forte.

Fistric had 235 hits in 60 games last year, after seasons of 173 and 171 in the previous two seasons. He is a 3rd pairing defender, who can play both sides, kill penalties and he will has little to no offence. He has three career goals in 257 games, but Steve Tambellini didn't acquire him to help the offence.

I was a bit perplexed by Tambellini's response when he was asked where Fistric will fit in.

"I think our right side is pretty set with Jeff (Petry), Justin (Schultz) and Corey (Potter). I'm looking forward to Corey taking a step and being a regular guy this year. He has the ability to do it," said Tambellini.

I'm not sure why Tambellini feels Potter is a lock to play ahead of Fistric. I don't see Potter getting as much PP time with the addition of J.Schultz and the return of a healthy Whitney. Potter isn't a top PK guy either. Last year he was 7th in PK time amongst the Oilers D-men.

The other factor is I can't see the Oilers being competitive with only one physical defensemen, Smid. The Oilers need a 3rd pairing defender who can kill penalties and play tough. I'd much rather have Fistric or Theo Peckham as my #6 D-man instead of Potter.

The Oilers first two PP units during practice were as follows:

Unit ONE: J.Schultz, Eberle, Horcoff, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins.

Unit TWO: Whitney, Gagner, Yakupov, Hemsky and Smyth

If Potter isn't on either unit there is not point having him dressed ahead of Fistric.

QUICK HITS

  • There were 1500-2000 fans at practice again today. I'm not surprised fans are back and loving hockey, and it is also why I don't expect the Oilers to do any major rebates during games. The fans have shown they will come back.
     
  • It will be interesting to see what the Oilers do with Magnus Paajarvi. He was skating on the 5th line with Darcy Hordichuk and Chris Vande Velde. Will they keep him as a 14th forward, or send him to OKC and let him play first line minutes. The latter would be the smart decision.
     
  • Gagner, Yakupov and Hemsky had pretty good chemistry on the ice today. Krueger has stated he won't get caught up in line matching too much, but if he can get them out against 3rd pairing defenders, they could be very productive.
     
  • Lines were the same as yesterday 4/93/14, 64/89/83, 94/10/56, 55/20/37 and 91/54/16. The D pairings had Petry/Smid, Schultz/Schultz, Whitney/Potter and Fistric/Fedun with Tuebert rotating in.
     
  • Whitney was very forthcoming for an article I wrote for the Edmonton Journal yesterday. Whitney talked openly about a discussion he had with Krueger at the end of last season, and how that conversation made him do a lot of soul-searching. You can read it here.
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#1 Archaeologuy
January 15 2013, 01:08PM
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With all due respect to Corey Potter, Fistric is an NHL defenceman. Tambellini should be prohibitted from speaking.

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#2 northof51
January 15 2013, 01:27PM
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If someone in the Oilogosphere said what Tambo said about Potter, he/she would be run out of town by a mob of pitchfork and torch wielding fanatics. Argh - this could be the longest 48 game season ever...

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#3 Puritania
January 15 2013, 01:58PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

With all due respect to Corey Potter, Fistric is an NHL defenceman. Tambellini should be prohibitted from speaking.

Agreed. If Potter starts the season ahead of Fistric, something is really, really, wrong here.

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#4 tkfisher
January 15 2013, 01:00PM
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Fist ya. I love the smell of hockey line combo talk in the morning... afternoon.

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#5 CDean
January 15 2013, 02:05PM
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According to twitter - Eberle is permanent alternate captain and Hall and N. Shultz will share the other alternate captain responsibilities. I like how this sounds.

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#6 Archaeologuy
January 15 2013, 03:17PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@oldtimehockey @Oilfan69

It will be Yakupov actually. Gagner will play on the wall, similar to RNH.

Pew Pew! Pew Pew! *laserbeam noises*

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#7 Rick
January 15 2013, 01:12PM
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If Potter is in your starting line up then your defence simply isn't good enough.

Maybe Tambellini's comment is an attempt to make his signing of Potter to an extension look better than it is. Sort of like his Khabby is the MVP comment a couple seasons ago.

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#8 Spydyr
January 15 2013, 01:57PM
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RyanCoke wrote:

Oilers should play with what they have and quit worrying about waiver wire players and small trades.

Sure 30-30 -29 works.Why try to get better (facepalm).

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#9 Truth
January 15 2013, 02:23PM
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I do not understand how the Oilers continuously put Horcoff on the 1st PP. Yes, I know he can win a faceoff and Nuge is quite bad at that aspect, but why not take Horcoff off the ice immediately after the faceoff win? Jonathan Toews has a freakin faceoff stick he uses for crucial draws. He goes to the bench to change it to his normal stick after winning. Instead of Horcoff swapping sticks he can swap himself for a legitimate PP player.

Horcoff is an important piece of the puzzle, but that piece is nowhere inside the oppositions blue line outside of the faceoff dot.

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#10 jb
January 15 2013, 02:36PM
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If Potter plays ahead of Fistric I will unleash a primal scream. This team has lots of puck-movers at the moment. Play some snarl please.

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#11 speeds
January 15 2013, 03:43PM
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I'll be a bit of a contrarian here and say I had Potter as the 6th D in my mind, prior to the Fistric trade.

And I was talking a bit about this on twitter yesterday, I didn't even mind hte idea of Potter playing ahead of Fistric to start things out. However, that was assuming Potter would be playing on the PP - if he's not, I think the argument for Fistric as the 6th is stronger.

That said, from what I've read, while Fistric is capable of playing the right side, he's notably better on LD. If that's the case, playing Fistric might mean the D would be optimized lined up like:

Smid-Petry Whitney-J.Schultz Fistric-N.Schultz

So, if they really want to keep N.Schultz with J.Schultz, I'm not sure it would be THAT surprising if they go with Potter over Fistric to start the season, and go from there.

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#12 Wax Man Riley
January 15 2013, 04:38PM
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Truth wrote:

I do not understand how the Oilers continuously put Horcoff on the 1st PP. Yes, I know he can win a faceoff and Nuge is quite bad at that aspect, but why not take Horcoff off the ice immediately after the faceoff win? Jonathan Toews has a freakin faceoff stick he uses for crucial draws. He goes to the bench to change it to his normal stick after winning. Instead of Horcoff swapping sticks he can swap himself for a legitimate PP player.

Horcoff is an important piece of the puzzle, but that piece is nowhere inside the oppositions blue line outside of the faceoff dot.

I cannot believe that there is such ragging on Horcoff on the PP.

You know the Oilers had the #3 PP in the league last year... with Horcoff on the #1 unit, so if it ain't broke...

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#13 OilLeak
January 15 2013, 11:42PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

My thoughts from today.

Gagner was a slapshot monster. Hitting his targets and much faster.

Nuge faceoffs have to get better to get horcoff off that pp. He doesnt use his body. In fact doesnt even look like he tries.

Tuebert is getting better. Contract status and recent additions will see him back in OKC though.

Yak and Hall are getting along and having fun. We need this.

Hartikainen was not on the pk or pp practice. Just stood at center ice watching. Kind of funny. only one in a dark blue jersey that didnt have something to do.

Khabi - old and slow. If he plays more than five games we are screwed.

JSchultz fell four or five times today. Very Comical.

No Calder for Yak this year as he will be drawing the tough assignement when the third line cant.

Further to that Gagners point total is going to be completely based on assignement. If his line is going to get the harder competition and an a raw rookie on his line, he is going to have to babysit and take the d load for the line.

Nuge still has jet lag but looked fine.

Eberle is shooting 43.7% in camp. This is unsustainable. Did anyone see when he was looking at the boards and sniped the corner from the slot.

Teubert is getting better? Not from what I seen in OKC, Teubert's main problem is reading the play and making a decent pass in game, drills can't really gauge that.

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#14 OilLeak
January 15 2013, 11:47PM
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Oilfred wrote:

That makes the most sense Whitney-J.Shultz getting all offensive starts.

I actually like that D.

So long since I've said that!

You need a puck mover on every pairing, or that 3rd pairing and anyone who plays with them will be a scoring black hole.

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#15 Tom
January 15 2013, 01:14PM
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Who would play the point along with Whitney on the second PP unit?

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#16 Tom
January 15 2013, 01:14PM
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Who would play the point along with Whitney on the second PP unit?

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#17 Oilfan69
January 15 2013, 01:25PM
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Tom wrote:

Who would play the point along with Whitney on the second PP unit?

gags

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#18 OldTimeHockey
January 15 2013, 01:26PM
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Tom wrote:

Who would play the point along with Whitney on the second PP unit?

Gagner

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#19 positivebrontefan
January 15 2013, 01:34PM
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Oilers should grab Redden.

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#20 Simpsonite
January 15 2013, 01:40PM
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Why would Tambo be saying anything about where a player would fit in...isn't that the coaches call? If fistric is the better pick wouldn't ralph be more inclined to do things how he thought...not how the GM thought...they may debate but if the coach says this guy is better than that guy...well ummm...yah.

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#21 RyanCoke
January 15 2013, 01:40PM
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Oilers should play with what they have and quit worrying about waiver wire players and small trades.

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#22 positivebrontefan
January 15 2013, 01:41PM
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He'll get bought out and will come cheap to a new start, great depth.

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#23 Mikey
January 15 2013, 01:45PM
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Wicked awesome article about Whitney.

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#24 Smokey
January 15 2013, 01:51PM
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So do u buy out Horcoff now or next season.

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#25 Spydyr
January 15 2013, 01:56PM
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Perhaps Tambo is pumping Potter's tires because he is his guy. Meanwhile Fistric is someone else in the organization say Mac-T's guy.

Horcoff on the first PP ,great another year of missed onetimers.Guess someone has to take the draw but I would much prefer moving Smyth there.He can take the PP draws.

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#26 They're $hittie
January 15 2013, 01:57PM
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My thoughts from today.

Gagner was a slapshot monster. Hitting his targets and much faster.

Nuge faceoffs have to get better to get horcoff off that pp. He doesnt use his body. In fact doesnt even look like he tries.

Tuebert is getting better. Contract status and recent additions will see him back in OKC though.

Yak and Hall are getting along and having fun. We need this.

Hartikainen was not on the pk or pp practice. Just stood at center ice watching. Kind of funny. only one in a dark blue jersey that didnt have something to do.

Khabi - old and slow. If he plays more than five games we are screwed.

JSchultz fell four or five times today. Very Comical.

No Calder for Yak this year as he will be drawing the tough assignement when the third line cant.

Further to that Gagners point total is going to be completely based on assignement. If his line is going to get the harder competition and an a raw rookie on his line, he is going to have to babysit and take the d load for the line.

Nuge still has jet lag but looked fine.

Eberle is shooting 43.7% in camp. This is unsustainable. Did anyone see when he was looking at the boards and sniped the corner from the slot.

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#27 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
January 15 2013, 02:00PM
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I thought if Horc is bought out, he can't be resigned. I don't see the Oilers doing that until they have enough quality centers.

Also, Horc is making $4M and $3M in the two seasons following this one.

I think there are two criteria that have to be met if Horc gets bought out:

1. An abundance of good centers.

2. Oilers are in cap trouble.

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#28 Mikey
January 15 2013, 02:29PM
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Teams are now allowed to use one of their buyouts before the season starts. How has Redden been playing in the AHL? Could he be a good pick up for depth, and to help OKC?

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#29 atleastwehavethekhl
January 15 2013, 02:41PM
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@Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!

In TOTAL agreement with this. I'm really unsure why everyone keeps pressing this.

Until there's a cap danger, why make center depth even worse??

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#30 Hammers
January 15 2013, 02:45PM
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@Truth

Your forgetting that this was a top PP in the entire league last year with the exception of J Schultz . Horc proved he could do the job . Not sure I agree with 2nd group . Thought it would be Petry & Whitney on the point and that leaves Smyth out .Biggest problem I see is our 2 top centers are both below 50% on faceoffs .

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#31 Bucknuck
January 15 2013, 02:49PM
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Buyouts are to take place after this season. EDIT - nope never mind. Thank Mikey for the heads up. I was incorrect. I wonder if someone gets bought out. I hope not.

I agree that Horcoff's is a bad contract, but as a player he is valuable. If they have the cap space they shouldn't be buying him out unless they can replace him.

As far as cap space goes, they have some coming off the books (Khabby, Souray, Sutton, Whitney) but two of them need to be replaced and Eberle and Hall's contracts kick in so it is a wash.

Tambellini still scares me, especially when yapping about Potter. Unless of course he is trying to trade him and needs to build him up to do so.

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#32 jake
January 15 2013, 03:08PM
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All the D maneuvering is positioning for a big trade for PK. Meehan said today he is does not see Subban playing Saturday night. ;)

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#34 Mikey
January 15 2013, 03:18PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Buyouts are to take place after this season. EDIT - nope never mind. Thank Mikey for the heads up. I was incorrect. I wonder if someone gets bought out. I hope not.

I agree that Horcoff's is a bad contract, but as a player he is valuable. If they have the cap space they shouldn't be buying him out unless they can replace him.

As far as cap space goes, they have some coming off the books (Khabby, Souray, Sutton, Whitney) but two of them need to be replaced and Eberle and Hall's contracts kick in so it is a wash.

Tambellini still scares me, especially when yapping about Potter. Unless of course he is trying to trade him and needs to build him up to do so.

Check TSN...

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#35 Harlie
January 15 2013, 03:26PM
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Man, the future is so bright that Gregor is still wearing shades!

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#36 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
January 15 2013, 03:31PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@oldtimehockey @Oilfan69

It will be Yakupov actually. Gagner will play on the wall, similar to RNH.

Where was Hemmer playing? I was there but on the other side.

Hemmer usually plays the left half wall on the PP. And I'd say he's more of threat from there than Gagner.

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#37 Rama Lama
January 15 2013, 04:14PM
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I'm speculating a little here......but having watched Fistric play.......the reason why Tamby see Potter ahead of him is due to his speed.

A turtle on downers could skate faster than Fistric. Or how about a slug on a hill could skated faster than Fistric.

Yea he can hit people, but he does that in slow motion too. Either way we need him to keep opposing players honest.

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#38 Oilfred
January 15 2013, 04:22PM
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speeds wrote:

I'll be a bit of a contrarian here and say I had Potter as the 6th D in my mind, prior to the Fistric trade.

And I was talking a bit about this on twitter yesterday, I didn't even mind hte idea of Potter playing ahead of Fistric to start things out. However, that was assuming Potter would be playing on the PP - if he's not, I think the argument for Fistric as the 6th is stronger.

That said, from what I've read, while Fistric is capable of playing the right side, he's notably better on LD. If that's the case, playing Fistric might mean the D would be optimized lined up like:

Smid-Petry Whitney-J.Schultz Fistric-N.Schultz

So, if they really want to keep N.Schultz with J.Schultz, I'm not sure it would be THAT surprising if they go with Potter over Fistric to start the season, and go from there.

That makes the most sense Whitney-J.Shultz getting all offensive starts.

I actually like that D.

So long since I've said that!

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#39 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
January 15 2013, 04:39PM
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Same urgency/effort at todays session. Noticeably improved after the last half dozen seasons.

Yakupov sure loves the game. Again, the last kid off the ice after working on things he wants to improve on. This kid may not have a letter on his jersey yet, but he's sure reminding a few players on this club what it's like to have fun/passion while working again. Good to see him still celebrating after the odd goal. Not his fault the rest of the crew choose to take the hard road on this club, hopefully it starts to rub off on the Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagne and Whitney types.

They best soon fall in line behind Nail. He's likely to be here alot longer than they will if they choose to remain more committed to their paycheques than they are to the game.

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#40 Jagrbaum
January 15 2013, 05:47PM
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Hey Gregor,

With several NHL teams such as the Canucks signing 7th and 8th Dmen for their depth charts, do you think the Oilers should take a flyer on a guy like Wade Redden in light of the new buyout adjustment?

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#41 Fresh Mess
January 15 2013, 05:48PM
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Buying out Horcoff right now at %100 of contract and counting against the cap makes no sense. I don't understand why that would even be suggested. He still fills a pivotal role.

Potter played incredible the first half of last season. He deserves a fair chance to earn a spot in the lineup at camp as much as anyone and should not be prejudged.

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#42 steelymac
January 15 2013, 06:45PM
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Curious to see how many short handed goals we give up with only one true dman on the point on th pp.

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#43 a lg dubl dubl
January 15 2013, 07:30PM
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Please buyout Potter

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#44 Wanyes bastard child
January 15 2013, 07:51PM
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steelymac wrote:

Curious to see how many short handed goals we give up with only one true dman on the point on th pp.

The other team will be too busy digging the puck out of the back of their net to try and score short handed eh ;)

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#45 Cheap Shot Charlie
January 15 2013, 09:05PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Buyouts are to take place after this season. EDIT - nope never mind. Thank Mikey for the heads up. I was incorrect. I wonder if someone gets bought out. I hope not.

I agree that Horcoff's is a bad contract, but as a player he is valuable. If they have the cap space they shouldn't be buying him out unless they can replace him.

As far as cap space goes, they have some coming off the books (Khabby, Souray, Sutton, Whitney) but two of them need to be replaced and Eberle and Hall's contracts kick in so it is a wash.

Tambellini still scares me, especially when yapping about Potter. Unless of course he is trying to trade him and needs to build him up to do so.

I agree that Horcoff needs a replacement before he is bought out. However, to help circumvent the cap and buyout process, I wonder if he could get traded to another team for a similar buyout price and then resigned at a reasonable contract. It would be completely against the heart of the buyout rule, but may be within the letter of the law. Thoughts?

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#46 Dog Train
January 15 2013, 09:07PM
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I've never really been a big Potter fan. He is alright on the PP but if he is not playing there then what is the point. To me, he's a solid AHL depth guy or a 7th/8th dman.

I think PRV is the odd man out up front because after the Fistric trade, I think we will go with 13F and 8D. Hordichuk would be the cheerleader in that case.

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#47 oliveoilers
January 15 2013, 09:31PM
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shhh, tambi, shhh. you pulled of what could turn out to be a good trade. now shut up. see media, this is why k-lowe wont allow him to talk with the grown ups.

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#48 David S
January 15 2013, 10:11PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Same urgency/effort at todays session. Noticeably improved after the last half dozen seasons.

Yakupov sure loves the game. Again, the last kid off the ice after working on things he wants to improve on. This kid may not have a letter on his jersey yet, but he's sure reminding a few players on this club what it's like to have fun/passion while working again. Good to see him still celebrating after the odd goal. Not his fault the rest of the crew choose to take the hard road on this club, hopefully it starts to rub off on the Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagne and Whitney types.

They best soon fall in line behind Nail. He's likely to be here alot longer than they will if they choose to remain more committed to their paycheques than they are to the game.

"Gagne"? "GAGNE"????

"GAGNE"?????????????

*Bites lip repeatedly.*

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#49 Rocknrolla
January 15 2013, 10:16PM
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Tom wrote:

Who would play the point along with Whitney on the second PP unit?

Just 1 D.

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#50 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
January 15 2013, 10:26PM
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David S wrote:

"Gagne"? "GAGNE"????

"GAGNE"?????????????

*Bites lip repeatedly.*

Cut him some slack. He's new........................................ :S

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