OILERS MAKE CUTS

Jason Gregor
January 17 2013 12:30PM

The Oilers re-assigned Chris Vande Velde, Colten Teubert and Taylor Fedun to OKC today, but they also recalled Yann Danis.

Danis will actually be coming to Edmonton this time. On Sunday when the Oilers handed out their training camp roster, Danis' name was on the list, but the Oilers never recalled him until today.

Nikolai Khabibulin's groin is still a concern so the Oilers will play it safe and bring up Danis. They've also called up Tyler Bunz from Stockton to go to OKC, so I'm guessing Danis will dress Sunday in Vancouver.

Danis hasn't put up great numbers in OKC this year. He's 13-13-3 with a 2.99 GAA and a .905 SV%. If Khabibulin's injury is serious, I wonder if the Oilers look at claiming Henrik Karlsson, who was put on waivers today by the Calgary Flames.

Karlsson hasn't played much, only 26 appearances over two years with the Flames, but he might have more upside than Danis.

The Oilers don't play back-to-back until January 30th in Phoenix and the 31st in San Jose, so Devan Dubnyk should be able to play the first five games prior to those two. That gives Khabibulin another two weeks to recover.

If Dubnyk plays well I suspect he will start 38 of the 48 games this year, but the Oilers need to ensure they have a capable backup for the other ten. Khabibulin practiced for the past three days, and I didn't notice him favouring his groin at any point, but be recalling Danis it is clear they have some concerns regarding his health.

FINAL ROSTER

The Oilers have to declare their 23-man roster tomorrow afternoon. Andy Sutton and Ryan Jones will start on the IR, and I'm guessing Khabibulin will as well. That leaves 24 players remaining in camp.

The Oilers will either send Magnus Paajarvi to OKC, or put Theo Peckham on IR. If they put Peckham on a two-week conditioning stint he still counts against the 23-man roster, so he either goes on IR, or they put him on waivers today, or they send Paajarvi down. They could send both Paajarvi and Peckham down, with Peckham on conditioning stint, as well.

It does Paajarvi no good sitting in the pressbox, and considering he skated on the 5th line all week, I doubt he cracks the opening night roster. He isn't suited to play on the 4th line, and Teemu Hartikainen will get a look in the top-nine to start the season.

The Oilers have 7 healthy D-men ahead of Peckham, so I'd send Paajarvi down and Peckham  down to work work his way into game shape. The Oilers can't afford to lose Peckham on waivers, mainly because they don't have much, if any, NHL depth in the AHL, so put him on conditioning stint and re-assign Paajarvi.

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#1 Walter Sobchak
January 17 2013, 02:34PM
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justDOit wrote:

I'd rather see Hemsky dangled for one of Ottawa's extra goalies.

With stretches of 12 games in 20 days, as I've heard stated by others, I like the idea of having two solid options in goal. I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade RL right now if I'm Gillis.

Teams with 2 good goalies: LAK, MIN, STL, VAN. If you say Calgary AHL goalies have been tearing it up, then that gives them a good shot at being another one of those teams.

This is nonsense!

You want to give up Hemsky for a back up goalie!!

Thank god the season is starting, I don't think I can handle much more of this!

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#2 Hair bag
January 17 2013, 04:03PM
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book¡e wrote:

I would be fine with a trade like that if Luongo's contract were half as long for 2/3rds as much. Vancouver might be dreaming if they think they can trade Luongo for full value when he has that albatross of a contract hanging on him.

Hemsky, Paajarvi and a first round pick for Luongo is ridiculous no matter what his contract is....

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#3 Spydyr
January 17 2013, 12:42PM
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Fist cuts are in!

Nothing unexpected.

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#4 MAC962
January 17 2013, 01:36PM
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Theo - He is on his last legs with this organization, apparently the guy can't stay away from Burgers. I liked Theo, its too bad. If it wasn't for the Short season i think you would see him traded or included on the Waiver wire. I know he is injured but COME ON MAN ! Stay in shape or cut back the calories and keep the weight down.

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#5 Walter Sobchak
January 17 2013, 02:31PM
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@DSF

Without Kipper Calgary is in a world of trouble. This team maybe the second worst team in the west.

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#6 Truth
January 17 2013, 03:14PM
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The Hemsky PRV and and 1st for Luongo was from TreenasOil. The same person who said the Oilers were taking Murray 1st overall and said the Oilers start the season Saturday night vs the Flames, in Calgary.

She must be a Canucks fan. There's no way Luongo gets that much in compensation unless minimum 1/3 of his contract is covered by the Canucks. For me to do it I would want half the contract covered by the Canucks and I wouldn't include the 1st round pick. No reason to penalize your team for the last 6 years of his deal in an attempt to win in the next few. Especially with his penchant for being the backup by the end of the playoffs.

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#7 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 03:29PM
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Truth wrote:

The Hemsky PRV and and 1st for Luongo was from TreenasOil. The same person who said the Oilers were taking Murray 1st overall and said the Oilers start the season Saturday night vs the Flames, in Calgary.

She must be a Canucks fan. There's no way Luongo gets that much in compensation unless minimum 1/3 of his contract is covered by the Canucks. For me to do it I would want half the contract covered by the Canucks and I wouldn't include the 1st round pick. No reason to penalize your team for the last 6 years of his deal in an attempt to win in the next few. Especially with his penchant for being the backup by the end of the playoffs.

but but but but... boobs!

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#8 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 03:41PM
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Jefff wrote:

About time

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles7/535938/projects/1763950/36ee9e6b8a3012015f7d85dd5a41c9a8.jpg

DSF... your alter ego is getting the better of you... some kind of personality collapse seems imminent.

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#9 J
January 17 2013, 04:19PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is ridiculous.

Boston is without Tim Thomas. Will they fall apart?

Buffalo...which player?

Carolina? Would the loss of Sutter means they will have a "lost season". I really doubt it.

And so on.

Tim Thomas isn’t playing this year.

He’s referencing teams that don’t have an established backup goalie. If Rask goes down, Boston’s backup is Anton Khudobin. If Miller goes down Buffalo is relying on Jhonas Enroth.

It’s a response to your comment “If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.”

The same can be said for half the teams in the league. They would all be toast if they lost their starter.

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#10 Walter Sobchak
January 17 2013, 05:46PM
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hellacious wrote:

Out of touch. nooooo sorry thats not the case his development needs him to play against NHLers now. Sending him back just delays the inevitable.

What rock have you been under?

Paajarvi is barley good enough for the NHL at this point! His numbers suggest he's not developing at an NHL level.

Best case; Paajarvi become's a third line player with some PK.....However, most PKer's have a little grit and sandpaper, the ability to give a shot and take a shot, stuff outside of stats, Paarjarvi has none of this in his game.

Unless he grows some balls and start to use his size to his advantage Paajarvi next step is back to the SEL.

Book that.

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#11 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 08:25PM
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DSF wrote:

"Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season...”

The defense rests.

ahhh... I'm the judge now?

I rule this conversation trivial and dismiss it with extreme prejudice.

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#12 DSF
January 17 2013, 08:36PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

ahhh... I'm the judge now?

I rule this conversation trivial and dismiss it with extreme prejudice.

Respectfully, your Honour, if ruling this conversation trivial, you run the risk of setting a dangerous precedent that could lead to the end of Oiler Nation.

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#13 Czar
January 17 2013, 01:44PM
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Back away from anything Flame related, takes years to get rid of that stench!

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#14 A-Mc
January 17 2013, 01:57PM
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DSF wrote:

If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.

Lies. Everyone knows we're going to trade Omark and T. House for Luongo...

=)

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#15 book¡e
January 17 2013, 02:05PM
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DSF wrote:

Heard this morning that the Canucks wanted Hemsky, Paajarvi and a first round pick in return for Luongo and the Oilers wouldn't do it.

It's beginning to look like the Canucks will go through this season with TWO top 10 goaltenders and they may need them to play very well with all their troubles on their second line.

I would be fine with a trade like that if Luongo's contract were half as long for 2/3rds as much. Vancouver might be dreaming if they think they can trade Luongo for full value when he has that albatross of a contract hanging on him.

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#16 DSF
January 17 2013, 05:53PM
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J wrote:

Tim Thomas isn’t playing this year.

He’s referencing teams that don’t have an established backup goalie. If Rask goes down, Boston’s backup is Anton Khudobin. If Miller goes down Buffalo is relying on Jhonas Enroth.

It’s a response to your comment “If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.”

The same can be said for half the teams in the league. They would all be toast if they lost their starter.

He said "one player" not "one goaltender".

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#17 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 09:41PM
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DSF wrote:

Respectfully, your Honour, if ruling this conversation trivial, you run the risk of setting a dangerous precedent that could lead to the end of Oiler Nation.

true enough...

I commute the sentence.

After all "idle talk" is an essential part of our being,

Heidegger, Being and Time, §35

http://books.google.ca/books/about/Being_and_Time.html?id=9oc2BnZMCZgC

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#18 A-Mc
January 17 2013, 12:59PM
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I agree with you Jason: Send Peckham down for conditioning. This guy needs to get his sht together if he wants to crack the Oilers roster, and because i like his interviews i hope he does it.

Question: If he does get sent down for conditioning, how long is he allowed to be down there? 1wk? 2wks? 1 mnth?

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#19 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 01:03PM
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@A-Mc

two weeks.

@Gregor

Danis' #s are a bit skewed because he started so crappy. He's been much better after a rough opening stretch.

http://theahl.com/stats/gamebygame.php?id=809

jan. doesn't look very good... but remember OKC lost its best players this month

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#21 Czar
January 17 2013, 01:21PM
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If Habby plays like he did at the beginning of last season then he has some value. If he plays like he did the later part of the season then the only ice he should see is in practice and his cocktail.

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#22 a lg dubl dubl
January 17 2013, 01:21PM
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I noticed over at TSN, the Oilers put Plante, House, and Byers on waviers, Im curious as to why that is I didnt think they were on the Oilers roster.

Sidenote: Chorney is also on waviers...again! lol he can't stick with anyone

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#23 MAC962
January 17 2013, 01:24PM
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Goaltending in general in this organization is a concern. Say Dubnyk is solid, thats great, but he is one injury away from us being put in a real bind. We all know Nik is done, especially being injured, he does not have the body to play 8 out of every 10 games if Dubnyk is hurt. Honestly i dont know enough about Danis [ not sure if i even spelt it right ]. If a D goes down, yeah we are not deep but we can dip into the waiver pool etc, But goaltending....

I am sure there are many teams in a similar situation. But i could care less. Can you imagine if Kipper goes down.. Ugly just turned into nightmare season for Flames. Grabbing Karrlson from the flames may not be a bad idea. What the heck do i know...

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#24 justDOit
January 17 2013, 01:31PM
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Didn't Irving out-play Karlsson last season, in his limited playing time? ICBW.

Also, Adam Pardy on waivers today. Would he not be an upgrade to Peckham?

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#25 Mac962
January 17 2013, 01:39PM
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justDOit wrote:

Didn't Irving out-play Karlsson last season, in his limited playing time? ICBW.

Also, Adam Pardy on waivers today. Would he not be an upgrade to Peckham?

For sure Irving outplayed him, he has potential. Slim pickings. Pardy is no upgrade at all, I will take Tuebert 7 days a week over him.

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#26 Toro
January 17 2013, 01:40PM
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I think I'd rather grab Irving off waivers from flames instead of Karlsson

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#27 DSF
January 17 2013, 01:42PM
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MAC962 wrote:

Goaltending in general in this organization is a concern. Say Dubnyk is solid, thats great, but he is one injury away from us being put in a real bind. We all know Nik is done, especially being injured, he does not have the body to play 8 out of every 10 games if Dubnyk is hurt. Honestly i dont know enough about Danis [ not sure if i even spelt it right ]. If a D goes down, yeah we are not deep but we can dip into the waiver pool etc, But goaltending....

I am sure there are many teams in a similar situation. But i could care less. Can you imagine if Kipper goes down.. Ugly just turned into nightmare season for Flames. Grabbing Karrlson from the flames may not be a bad idea. What the heck do i know...

Calgary has TWO veteran goalies playing for Abbotsford in the AHL who have just been killing it.

Barry Brust - 8W-5L GAA 1.54 SV% .944

Danny Taylor - 9W-7L GAA 1.72 SV% .931

Yann Danis - 13W -12L GAA 2.99 SV% .905.

Dubnyk going down would be far, far worse than an injury to Kiprusoff.

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#28 Czar
January 17 2013, 01:48PM
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Same could be said for some of the posts from DSF.

Without Kipper the Flames can't win 2-1 or 1-0.They rely on their goalie more than any other team.

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#29 MAC962
January 17 2013, 01:50PM
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DSF wrote:

Calgary has TWO veteran goalies playing for Abbotsford in the AHL who have just been killing it.

Barry Brust - 8W-5L GAA 1.54 SV% .944

Danny Taylor - 9W-7L GAA 1.72 SV% .931

Yann Danis - 13W -12L GAA 2.99 SV% .905.

Dubnyk going down would be far, far worse than an injury to Kiprusoff.

Without a doubt. Flames are deeper in goal but..Kipper will be the difference between remote respectability and the Sewer for Calgary.

Oil goaltending worries me , they better be able to score 6 a game if Dubnyk goes down.

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#30 Reality Check to the head
January 17 2013, 01:52PM
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Has there been any talk lately on Peckhams conditioning. I know that in years past there was talk about him being out of shape.

Listening to a 1260 interview earlier in the year Peckham was training hard and playing in the ECHL this year.

Any thoughts?

Dubes obviously better play well.

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#31 DSF
January 17 2013, 01:53PM
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Czar wrote:

Same could be said for some of the posts from DSF.

Without Kipper the Flames can't win 2-1 or 1-0.They rely on their goalie more than any other team.

Nonsense.

GF 2011/12

Edmonton: 212

Calgary:202

The difference is 10 goals over an 82 game schedule.

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#32 DSF
January 17 2013, 01:55PM
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MAC962 wrote:

Without a doubt. Flames are deeper in goal but..Kipper will be the difference between remote respectability and the Sewer for Calgary.

Oil goaltending worries me , they better be able to score 6 a game if Dubnyk goes down.

If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.

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#33 DSF
January 17 2013, 02:00PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Lies. Everyone knows we're going to trade Omark and T. House for Luongo...

=)

Heard this morning that the Canucks wanted Hemsky, Paajarvi and a first round pick in return for Luongo and the Oilers wouldn't do it.

It's beginning to look like the Canucks will go through this season with TWO top 10 goaltenders and they may need them to play very well with all their troubles on their second line.

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#34 Rogue
January 17 2013, 02:11PM
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DSF

Its about time that the Drivel Spouting Fool showed up. I would really like to perform the Chinese water torture test on you. That way the roles can be reversed!

Do you not Think that everyone is concerned about the goalie situation? We get it. Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season. What a doorknob.

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#35 Shane
January 17 2013, 02:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Calgary has TWO veteran goalies playing for Abbotsford in the AHL who have just been killing it.

Barry Brust - 8W-5L GAA 1.54 SV% .944

Danny Taylor - 9W-7L GAA 1.72 SV% .931

Yann Danis - 13W -12L GAA 2.99 SV% .905.

Dubnyk going down would be far, far worse than an injury to Kiprusoff.

If I'm not mistaken Taylor and Brust are both on Abbotsford contracts. So they technically do not belong to the Flames.. Whereas all of our goalies are on Oiler contracts.. It probably wouldn't be hard for the Flames to sign them if need be but I'm just saying..

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#36 DSF
January 17 2013, 02:18PM
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Rogue wrote:

DSF

Its about time that the Drivel Spouting Fool showed up. I would really like to perform the Chinese water torture test on you. That way the roles can be reversed!

Do you not Think that everyone is concerned about the goalie situation? We get it. Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season. What a doorknob.

So, which teams, exactly, do you think are ONE injured player away from a lost season?

Love to see your list.

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#37 dman09
January 17 2013, 02:23PM
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Czar wrote:

If Habby plays like he did at the beginning of last season then he has some value. If he plays like he did the later part of the season then the only ice he should see is in practice and his cocktail.

Don't you mean Vodka, only straight never in a cocktail. He is russian after all.

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#38 DSF
January 17 2013, 02:23PM
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Shane wrote:

If I'm not mistaken Taylor and Brust are both on Abbotsford contracts. So they technically do not belong to the Flames.. Whereas all of our goalies are on Oiler contracts.. It probably wouldn't be hard for the Flames to sign them if need be but I'm just saying..

That's true but, as you point out, signing either would be pretty easy.

Calgary actually has pretty good G depth with those two Karlsson and Irving.

None of them are NHL proven but neither are Dubnyk, Danis or the Ghost of Khabibulin at this point.

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#39 justDOit
January 17 2013, 02:26PM
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DSF wrote:

Heard this morning that the Canucks wanted Hemsky, Paajarvi and a first round pick in return for Luongo and the Oilers wouldn't do it.

It's beginning to look like the Canucks will go through this season with TWO top 10 goaltenders and they may need them to play very well with all their troubles on their second line.

I'd rather see Hemsky dangled for one of Ottawa's extra goalies.

With stretches of 12 games in 20 days, as I've heard stated by others, I like the idea of having two solid options in goal. I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade RL right now if I'm Gillis.

Teams with 2 good goalies: LAK, MIN, STL, VAN. If you say Calgary AHL goalies have been tearing it up, then that gives them a good shot at being another one of those teams.

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#40 dman09
January 17 2013, 02:29PM
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Shane wrote:

If I'm not mistaken Taylor and Brust are both on Abbotsford contracts. So they technically do not belong to the Flames.. Whereas all of our goalies are on Oiler contracts.. It probably wouldn't be hard for the Flames to sign them if need be but I'm just saying..

Is it possible for teams to sign players on AHL contracts to NHL contracts provided the rights don't belong to another team???? ANYONE

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#41 DSF
January 17 2013, 02:34PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Without Kipper Calgary is in a world of trouble. This team maybe the second worst team in the west.

They may be in any case but his .921 last season was pretty average.

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#42 MAC962
January 17 2013, 02:36PM
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justDOit wrote:

I'd rather see Hemsky dangled for one of Ottawa's extra goalies.

With stretches of 12 games in 20 days, as I've heard stated by others, I like the idea of having two solid options in goal. I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade RL right now if I'm Gillis.

Teams with 2 good goalies: LAK, MIN, STL, VAN. If you say Calgary AHL goalies have been tearing it up, then that gives them a good shot at being another one of those teams.

Now your talkin... Ben Bishop - Devan Dubnyk- 2 large statured goalies. Bishop should be playing in the NHL Now. Robin Lehner is no slouch either. Ottawa has a trump card and they know it. But at some point Bishop or Lehner are going to want to be played or trade.. And to a Western team would probably be the preference.

I would hope Tambo has been sniffing around, but then again....

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#43 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 02:39PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Pardon?

In five starts in January he has allowed 21 goals on 116 shots.

His SV% in January is .818 and his GAA is over 4. He hasn't played well lately. He is not the answer moving forward. And his best players were forwards that left, he should still be able to stop some shots a .818SV% is gross. Roy's numbers not nearly as bad in January. He had GAA under 3 and save% of .881. OKC hasn't given up many shots in any games in January. Opposition is only averaging 25 shots a game. And actually 38 came in one game.

I guess you missed where I linked to his stats and noted his decline in Jan.

His monthly totals are:

Oct (4 starts): .887 Terrible Nov (11 starts): .926 Great Dec (8 starts): .923 Great Jan (5 starts): .819 absolutely decrepit

So we've got a lengthy stretch of 19 starts where he is fantastic, we've got last year where he was great:

http://theahl.com/stats/gamebygame.php?seasonId=37&id=809

and we've got a poor start of 4 games and a rough mid-season patch of 5 games minus his best players.

Has he had a great season... no!

is he playing his best hockey right now... no!

what do you think best represents his abilities: his early and recent stumbles, or his long stretch of solid play this year and last?

I don't see how rounding out his player's stats ought to be so objectionable.

It is totally reasonable to note his struggles... I think it is equally reasonable to note his successes.

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#44 Walter Sobchak
January 17 2013, 02:41PM
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DSF wrote:

That's true but, as you point out, signing either would be pretty easy.

Calgary actually has pretty good G depth with those two Karlsson and Irving.

None of them are NHL proven but neither are Dubnyk, Danis or the Ghost of Khabibulin at this point.

I really don't think it's all that good, both Calgary goalies were put on waivers which means Calgary doesn't even care which one the lose if any at all.

However, (I'm not sticking up for ether) both Denis and Dubnyk have NHL time. As a GM both have infinitely better upside then anything Calgary has.

Stats aside a GM takes a NHL goalie, having said that, I'm still not sold on any of these goalies.

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#45 Ducey
January 17 2013, 02:50PM
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Irving may be done as a prospect.

His save % the last three years in the AHL:

2010-11 .913 (61 games)

2011-12 .902 (39 games)

2012-13 .871 (6 games)

Still the Oil should grab him or Karlssen. They have more of a chance than Danis.

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#46 Mikey
January 17 2013, 03:05PM
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DSF wrote:

So, which teams, exactly, do you think are ONE injured player away from a lost season?

Love to see your list.

Here is my list.

ANA, BOS?, BUF, CAR, CHI, CLS, DAL, EDM, NJ?, NSH, NYI, PHI, PHO, SJ, TOR, WPG. Thats more than half the teams right there.

These are the ones who could probably survive. CGY, COL, DET, FLA, LA, MIN, NYR, OTT, STL, TB, VAN, WSH.

Of these three I think if their star player went down for a long time would be screwed. CGY OTT TB

The rest. COL - While they have an average team, one player going down wont affect them. Both of their G are average. DET - No explenation needed FLA - Same as COL LA - Same as DET MIN - Same as DET NYR - Same as DET STL - same as DET VAN - Same as DET, but depending on their second line injuries and how long they last an injury to one of the Sedins would crush them. WSH - Same as COL

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#47 dman09
January 17 2013, 03:05PM
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@Ducey

I think Irving is better but he needs to be playing more than 6 games. Hes a big guy just like Dubbie. I would be willing to give him a shot.

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#48 Smokey
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Did I miss something. Why is everyone assuming Peckhams conditioning is off. I thought he got a nutriciiounist and lost a pile of weight, and he was in good condition minus the unrelated hip flexer...

Has he been seen with Dustin Penner at a backalley Pancake house?

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#49 Mikey
January 17 2013, 03:09PM
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Smokey wrote:

Did I miss something. Why is everyone assuming Peckhams conditioning is off. I thought he got a nutriciiounist and lost a pile of weight, and he was in good condition minus the unrelated hip flexer...

Has he been seen with Dustin Penner at a backalley Pancake house?

Peckham did mention the timing of Christmas was not good. Which leads me to believe he ate good this Christmas season.

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#50 justDOit
January 17 2013, 03:10PM
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dman09 wrote:

I think Irving is better but he needs to be playing more than 6 games. Hes a big guy just like Dubbie. I would be willing to give him a shot.

Leland Irving is listed at 6'0", in an era where the avg goalie height is 2" taller than that (according to whasisname on tsn).

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