OILERS MAKE CUTS

Jason Gregor
January 17 2013 12:30PM

The Oilers re-assigned Chris Vande Velde, Colten Teubert and Taylor Fedun to OKC today, but they also recalled Yann Danis.

Danis will actually be coming to Edmonton this time. On Sunday when the Oilers handed out their training camp roster, Danis' name was on the list, but the Oilers never recalled him until today.

Nikolai Khabibulin's groin is still a concern so the Oilers will play it safe and bring up Danis. They've also called up Tyler Bunz from Stockton to go to OKC, so I'm guessing Danis will dress Sunday in Vancouver.

Danis hasn't put up great numbers in OKC this year. He's 13-13-3 with a 2.99 GAA and a .905 SV%. If Khabibulin's injury is serious, I wonder if the Oilers look at claiming Henrik Karlsson, who was put on waivers today by the Calgary Flames.

Karlsson hasn't played much, only 26 appearances over two years with the Flames, but he might have more upside than Danis.

The Oilers don't play back-to-back until January 30th in Phoenix and the 31st in San Jose, so Devan Dubnyk should be able to play the first five games prior to those two. That gives Khabibulin another two weeks to recover.

If Dubnyk plays well I suspect he will start 38 of the 48 games this year, but the Oilers need to ensure they have a capable backup for the other ten. Khabibulin practiced for the past three days, and I didn't notice him favouring his groin at any point, but be recalling Danis it is clear they have some concerns regarding his health.

FINAL ROSTER

The Oilers have to declare their 23-man roster tomorrow afternoon. Andy Sutton and Ryan Jones will start on the IR, and I'm guessing Khabibulin will as well. That leaves 24 players remaining in camp.

The Oilers will either send Magnus Paajarvi to OKC, or put Theo Peckham on IR. If they put Peckham on a two-week conditioning stint he still counts against the 23-man roster, so he either goes on IR, or they put him on waivers today, or they send Paajarvi down. They could send both Paajarvi and Peckham down, with Peckham on conditioning stint, as well.

It does Paajarvi no good sitting in the pressbox, and considering he skated on the 5th line all week, I doubt he cracks the opening night roster. He isn't suited to play on the 4th line, and Teemu Hartikainen will get a look in the top-nine to start the season.

The Oilers have 7 healthy D-men ahead of Peckham, so I'd send Paajarvi down and Peckham  down to work work his way into game shape. The Oilers can't afford to lose Peckham on waivers, mainly because they don't have much, if any, NHL depth in the AHL, so put him on conditioning stint and re-assign Paajarvi.

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#51 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 03:11PM
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Smokey wrote:

Did I miss something. Why is everyone assuming Peckhams conditioning is off. I thought he got a nutriciiounist and lost a pile of weight, and he was in good condition minus the unrelated hip flexer...

Has he been seen with Dustin Penner at a backalley Pancake house?

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/01/16/theo-peckham-on-hot-seat/

@playoffbound... he only stayed in the ECHL for 4 games.... it was a bit of a failed experiment to say the least.

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#52 G-Man
January 17 2013, 03:18PM
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Forget all those guys - Oil should make a push to sign Joacim Eriksson. Incredible talent, former Philly pick and is currently playing very well in europe.

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#53 DSF
January 17 2013, 03:22PM
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Mikey wrote:

Here is my list.

ANA, BOS?, BUF, CAR, CHI, CLS, DAL, EDM, NJ?, NSH, NYI, PHI, PHO, SJ, TOR, WPG. Thats more than half the teams right there.

These are the ones who could probably survive. CGY, COL, DET, FLA, LA, MIN, NYR, OTT, STL, TB, VAN, WSH.

Of these three I think if their star player went down for a long time would be screwed. CGY OTT TB

The rest. COL - While they have an average team, one player going down wont affect them. Both of their G are average. DET - No explenation needed FLA - Same as COL LA - Same as DET MIN - Same as DET NYR - Same as DET STL - same as DET VAN - Same as DET, but depending on their second line injuries and how long they last an injury to one of the Sedins would crush them. WSH - Same as COL

Your list is ridiculous.

Boston is without Tim Thomas. Will they fall apart?

Buffalo...which player?

Carolina? Would the loss of Sutter means they will have a "lost season". I really doubt it.

And so on.

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#54 dman09
January 17 2013, 03:30PM
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justDOit wrote:

Leland Irving is listed at 6'0", in an era where the avg goalie height is 2" taller than that (according to whasisname on tsn).

Oh Henrik Karlsson is the 6'6" guy. never mind I don't want either of them then.

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#55 Ducey
January 17 2013, 03:31PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

but but but but... boobs!

You can look. You don't have to listen.

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#56 Jefff
January 17 2013, 03:32PM
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About time

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#57 Will
January 17 2013, 03:41PM
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Hmm, Hemsky and MPS and a first round for Luongo? I don't do that deal. True, he's a great goalie, and if we're ever going to get anywhere we need one of those, but I think we are looking to add one more piece at the draft this year: a big skilled center. In the top 6 I think like 4 of them fit this bill. From there we have even more expendable / tradable assets to find a goalie without such a bad contract.

It seems pretty clear the Brass might not think we make the playoffs this year, but want to give Dubnyk the opportunity to be the guy. If he shows he can, Oliers go get a 1B back up giving up less assets than the outlined deal above. If he sows he can't, then the Oilers likely give up something considerable to get something good back.

As for Calgary needing Kipper to survive, the only reason Calgary was even in the hunt down the stretch last year was because of Kipper. Without him, they cannot play the way they like, and have a much more defensive style to their game, but don't have the defensive pieces to back it up. I also agree that if the same were to happen to Dubnyk, Oilers would also be screwed.

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#58 Romy
January 17 2013, 04:00PM
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@Jefff

Best tweet of the day.

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#59 rubbertrout
January 17 2013, 04:09PM
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book¡e wrote:

I would be fine with a trade like that if Luongo's contract were half as long for 2/3rds as much. Vancouver might be dreaming if they think they can trade Luongo for full value when he has that albatross of a contract hanging on him.

Really? I think that seeing as the CBA hangs the "retirement years" cap hit of the contract back on the team that signs the deal in the first place they should be able to get more out of him than they could have under the old CBA. If the retirement hit goes back to the original signing team then the risk isn't there in terms of cap dollars and it isn't there in term of real dollars because the contract is front loaded.

EDIT: To be clear I don't want to do that trade. I just think that there is more flexibility now that you might not be hung with the cap hit until the end of time. They could also retain part of the financial hit.

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#60 hellacious
January 17 2013, 04:14PM
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Gregor I know you came out last week and said Paajarvi won't make the team. but get over it you were wrong again and its not a surprise. He might not have the finish everyone hoped for but he is one of the best skaters on the team if not the best technical wise. He draws penalty's better then any oiler does. something we missed while he was in okc last season and it hurt our pp make no mistake.

You say he is not a fit on the fourth line, I strongly disagree with that notion. any team in the NHL would love to have Paajarvi on thier fourth line playing PK, Drawing penalty's, skating like the wind. Waiting for that one injury that puts him into the top nine or six. And this year its a guarantee injurys are going to be an issue with a shortened season and all that Jazz.

So you might not like to hear this but i believe Paajarvi's time in OKC is done so chew on that for while.

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#61 A-Mc
January 17 2013, 04:25PM
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@hellacious

"So you might not like to hear this but i believe Paajarvi's time in OKC is done so chew on that for while."

OR you could be totally out of touch! Paajarvi still doesn't fit anywhere as anywhere you want to slot him, there is already a guy who can do it better. Injuries will give Paajarvi a chance, but having a guy waiting around for injuries isn't going to play to his favor in terms of development.

I really like Paajarvi so please dont mistake me for a hater. but as much as i want this kid to succeed, i just dont see a good place for him at this point in time.

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#62 hellacious
January 17 2013, 04:25PM
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plus in this article your basically suggesting the Oilers submit a 22 man roster tommorow??? Whats that about???

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#63 A-Mc
January 17 2013, 04:29PM
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hellacious wrote:

plus in this article your basically suggesting the Oilers submit a 22 man roster tommorow??? Whats that about???

Yann Danis was recalled and would take the 23rd spot.

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#64 hellacious
January 17 2013, 04:33PM
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@A-Mc

Out of touch. nooooo sorry thats not the case his development needs him to play against NHLers now. Sending him back just delays the inevitable.

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#65 hellacious
January 17 2013, 04:34PM
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@A-Mc

not if habby is on the IR.

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#66 Wäx Män Riley
January 17 2013, 04:43PM
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DSF wrote:

Heard this morning that the Canucks wanted Hemsky, Paajarvi and a first round pick in return for Luongo and the Oilers wouldn't do it.

It's beginning to look like the Canucks will go through this season with TWO top 10 goaltenders and they may need them to play very well with all their troubles on their second line.

i know DSF gets a lot of grief here, And Booooyyyy does he give grief, but this shows a pretty non-partial view

Canucks will have some trouble on that #2 line for sure. Pretty thin down the middle right now.

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#67 Wäx Män Riley
January 17 2013, 04:46PM
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hellacious wrote:

Out of touch. nooooo sorry thats not the case his development needs him to play against NHLers now. Sending him back just delays the inevitable.

Out of touch for sure.

Being on the 4th line is going to do NOTHING for his development. He needs to be in the AHL getting top minutes.

Playing 6 mins a night in the big club is a waste. I really like PRV, but he is a year away at least.

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#68 Wäx Män Riley
January 17 2013, 04:47PM
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hellacious wrote:

plus in this article your basically suggesting the Oilers submit a 22 man roster tommorow??? Whats that about???

Peckham counts towards the roster if he is sent down for conditioning.

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#69 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 04:52PM
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hellacious wrote:

Out of touch. nooooo sorry thats not the case his development needs him to play against NHLers now. Sending him back just delays the inevitable.

I disagree.

He's not going to get to play all 3 disciplines in the NHL this year. At best he floats from 3rd to 4th to scratch mostly playing around 10-13 mins mostly at evens.

He's not going to get the development he needs in that environment. He should be committed to OKC for the entire season to develop, barring injury.

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#70 Mikey
January 17 2013, 04:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is ridiculous.

Boston is without Tim Thomas. Will they fall apart?

Buffalo...which player?

Carolina? Would the loss of Sutter means they will have a "lost season". I really doubt it.

And so on.

Boston with out Tukka Rask and Thomas...

Buffalo - One Ryan Miller, who is their back up?

Car - One Cam Ward, again who is their back up?

That first part was in response about Devan Dubnyk going down and the oilers being screwed.

Any more?

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#71 A-Mc
January 17 2013, 04:57PM
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hellacious wrote:

not if habby is on the IR.

13 forwards: Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Hemsky, Gagner, Yakupov, Smyth, Horcoff, Hartikeinen, Eager, Belanger, Petrell, Hortichuk.

8 Defense: J. Schultz, N. Schultz, Whitney, Fistric, Smid, Petry, Potter, Peckham

2 Goalies: Dubnyk, Danis

That's 23.

Gregor said: "The Oilers will either send Magnus Paajarvi to OKC, or put Theo Peckham on IR".

If Paajarvi stays, Theo has to go on IR to maintain 23 spots. If Paajarvi goes to OKC, we have 23 and if Theo goes to OKC for conditioning, he still counts as one of the 23 spots so it's not 22, its 23 any way you look at it.

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#72 Mac962
January 17 2013, 05:02PM
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Peckham has to go through the oversized luggage lineup at the Airport. What does that say ?

As for Lou , Hemsky- PRV and a 1st rounder ? lol, why are they trading him if he is so damn good ? He is good yes, but nowhere near what the Canucks are asking for him. That said - Is Schneider ? I would say there are a lot of nervous folks in Vancity ...are we making the right choice ? Ha.. good on ya Nucks ...

Maybe Kirk Mclean for Yakapov ? or Richard Brodeaur for Ebs straight up ??

4-3 Oil Sunday. 64-89-83 6 Points combined.

Hey, i can dream !! don't pick on me.

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#73 Archaeologuy
January 17 2013, 05:04PM
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Is it too much to ask that both of the Flames backups get picked up on waivers?

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#74 Mikey
January 17 2013, 05:05PM
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hellacious wrote:

Out of touch. nooooo sorry thats not the case his development needs him to play against NHLers now. Sending him back just delays the inevitable.

I don't think the key word is NHLers, its PLAY. Getting ice team at the AHL or NHL level is important, and right now he doesn't fit in. I am also a HUGE fan of MPS. After the rookie year I thought he would be better than the other two. The oilers would regret the day they trade MPS at this point.

So doing what Detroit and other teams does hinders their players development? You know, they let them play big minutes in the AHL for a couple years.

Who would you replace and put MPS in instead of, and what kind of TOI would you expect him to have?

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#75 DieHard
January 17 2013, 05:20PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Out of touch for sure.

Being on the 4th line is going to do NOTHING for his development. He needs to be in the AHL getting top minutes.

Playing 6 mins a night in the big club is a waste. I really like PRV, but he is a year away at least.

I'm not sure how out-of-touch it is. Coach K wants to share the minutes a little more during this compressed season so PRV might get a little more than 6 minutes plus time on the PK. Any injury during a game and he moves on up.

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#76 Mikey
January 17 2013, 05:29PM
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DieHard wrote:

I'm not sure how out-of-touch it is. Coach K wants to share the minutes a little more during this compressed season so PRV might get a little more than 6 minutes plus time on the PK. Any injury during a game and he moves on up.

So is 8-10 minutes in the NHL better than 20+ in the AHL, playing on the PP and PK? Also who do you take out Petrell? If MPS was more physical then maybe.

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#77 DieHard
January 17 2013, 05:36PM
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Mikey wrote:

So is 8-10 minutes in the NHL better than 20+ in the AHL, playing on the PP and PK? Also who do you take out Petrell? If MPS was more physical then maybe.

I think it might be closer to 12 minutes. And only until Jones comes back.

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#78 DSF
January 17 2013, 05:54PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

What rock have you been under?

Paajarvi is barley good enough for the NHL at this point! His numbers suggest he's not developing at an NHL level.

Best case; Paajarvi become's a third line player with some PK.....However, most PKer's have a little grit and sandpaper, the ability to give a shot and take a shot, stuff outside of stats, Paarjarvi has none of this in his game.

Unless he grows some balls and start to use his size to his advantage Paajarvi next step is back to the SEL.

Book that.

This.

Exactly.

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#79 Mikey
January 17 2013, 06:03PM
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DSF wrote:

He said "one player" not "one goaltender".

(MAC962 wrote: “.... Oil goaltending worries me , they better be able to score 6 a game if Dubnyk goes down.”

DSF wrote: "If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.")

(Rogue wrote: “DSF ....Do you not Think that everyone is concerned about the goalie situation? ...Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season...”

DSF wrote: "So, which teams, exactly, do you think are ONE injured player away from a lost season? Love to see your list.")

Two conversations going on at the same time. A little confusing.

DSF responded to Macs post. Rougue quoted DSF statement to MAC, with his response. DSF quoted Rouges statement, with his response. I gave my list. DSF now agrees with my list, with out saying it.

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#80 jefff
January 17 2013, 06:20PM
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Oilers

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#81 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 06:37PM
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Mikey wrote:

(MAC962 wrote: “.... Oil goaltending worries me , they better be able to score 6 a game if Dubnyk goes down.”

DSF wrote: "If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.")

(Rogue wrote: “DSF ....Do you not Think that everyone is concerned about the goalie situation? ...Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season...”

DSF wrote: "So, which teams, exactly, do you think are ONE injured player away from a lost season? Love to see your list.")

Two conversations going on at the same time. A little confusing.

DSF responded to Macs post. Rougue quoted DSF statement to MAC, with his response. DSF quoted Rouges statement, with his response. I gave my list. DSF now agrees with my list, with out saying it.

that's a good summary of every DSF conversation....

but now you can also add in his serial personality disorder, which happens to be a vicious repeater.

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#82 gaz
January 17 2013, 06:38PM
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@DSF

Maybe you should acknowledge your perfectly reasonable error, rather than being so pathetically afraid of admitting you aren't perfect. It might help people take you more seriously.

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#83 Mikey
January 17 2013, 07:02PM
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DSF wrote:

This.

Exactly.

This is directed to anyone who is so hard on Magnus Paajarvi.

It has become apparent that MPS will most likely be a 3rd liner. Proof of why he COULD fit in very well.

Using two players who most deem to be great 3rd liners

Jarret Stoll last year. Age 30 GP 78 G 6 A 15. TOI 16:41

Darren Helm, best year. Age 25 GP 82 G 12 A 20. TOI 14:31

MPS rookie year. Age 19 GP 80 G 15 A 19. TOI 15:23

Now these are only one year snippets, and many other players have one great year and have done nothing else. But MPS rookie year was better than both of these players. Both of these players were older when they accomplished these stats. I look at this a a good sign.

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#84 Harlie
January 17 2013, 07:16PM
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DSF wrote:

If Dubnyk goes down or doesn't play well...they're toast. Period.

Have you ever heard of making a trade? Duby goes down, Khabbi sucks, then make a trade. It's not that difficult. It's not like we don't have assets to trade.

Does it rain every single day on your house? Nothing but doom and gloom and google this and that and try to stir crap up. You've become such a bore.

Sad cuz I liked your posting on HFBoards but you've really gotten annoying.

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#85 DSF
January 17 2013, 07:33PM
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Mikey wrote:

This is directed to anyone who is so hard on Magnus Paajarvi.

It has become apparent that MPS will most likely be a 3rd liner. Proof of why he COULD fit in very well.

Using two players who most deem to be great 3rd liners

Jarret Stoll last year. Age 30 GP 78 G 6 A 15. TOI 16:41

Darren Helm, best year. Age 25 GP 82 G 12 A 20. TOI 14:31

MPS rookie year. Age 19 GP 80 G 15 A 19. TOI 15:23

Now these are only one year snippets, and many other players have one great year and have done nothing else. But MPS rookie year was better than both of these players. Both of these players were older when they accomplished these stats. I look at this a a good sign.

Paajarvi accomplished those stats while playing the second most minutes of any forward on the team.

He'll never get that opportunity again.

In his first full season in the NHL, Stoll scored 22 goals and 68 points.

Darren Helm is a fringe NHL player selected in the 5th round who scored 1.96 P/60 last season playing 3rd/4th line minutes for the Wings.

Paajarvi scored 0.75 P/60 last season and only 1.35 P/60 in his rookie season.

Paajarvi may become Helm...if he learns to play physically.

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#86 DSF
January 17 2013, 07:35PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

"Pretty easy to think of a lot of other teams that are 1 injured player away from a lost season...”

The defense rests.

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#87 hellacious
January 17 2013, 07:41PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Why do people respond like that. I have not been under any rocks or been out of touch. I am not a pessimist so sue me. You don't know me. BTW if I ever had DSF agree with me I would be very ashamed.

Since when are PK Players all gritty and tough take a look around the NHL buddy players who can skate and have a good sticks are on the PK. Sounds like Paajarvi to me but its hard to tell from being under this rock.

I get it guys are spoiled with Halls and Eberle's production then look at MPS and point fingers and say no good. But this is a mistake because paajarvi is a NHLer. Ask the coach ask other GM's who would never send him to the AHL. and the guy that did last year got fired for a reason. One of those reasons was his handling of MPS. This is fact.

The team Needs him to draw penalty's he is hands down our best guy for that but you ignore it and make unfounded statements about his future that just don't make sense. Get real MPS is not going to the SEL why would you even say it and why would DSF agree??? And I am out touch... Whatever.

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#88 Mikey
January 17 2013, 07:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Paajarvi accomplished those stats while playing the second most minutes of any forward on the team.

He'll never get that opportunity again.

In his first full season in the NHL, Stoll scored 22 goals and 68 points.

Darren Helm is a fringe NHL player selected in the 5th round who scored 1.96 P/60 last season playing 3rd/4th line minutes for the Wings.

Paajarvi scored 0.75 P/60 last season and only 1.35 P/60 in his rookie season.

Paajarvi may become Helm...if he learns to play physically.

So Stolls 68 games 2 years prior to that dont count? After those 68 games he spent a full year in the AHL. Also in that year you mentioned. What was his ice time? Oh yea it was 18:23 playing on the number one PP unit. I can't confirm this, but was he playing on the second line at that time? Oh snap that's also the year the oilers went to the cup final and Horcoff had what, 75 points?

Second most minutes? He averaged 15 min a game, just like these guys.

What does Darren Helm draft position have to do with anything? Pavel Datsuyk was drafted 171st overall and plays on thier top line.

Yet still MPS one season (which could be a fluke) still compares to these two players. You pick 2 players at random who play 3/4 line minutes.

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#89 DSF
January 17 2013, 08:02PM
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Mikey wrote:

So Stolls 68 games 2 years prior to that dont count? After those 68 games he spent a full year in the AHL. Also in that year you mentioned. What was his ice time? Oh yea it was 18:23 playing on the number one PP unit. I can't confirm this, but was he playing on the second line at that time? Oh snap that's also the year the oilers went to the cup final and Horcoff had what, 75 points?

Second most minutes? He averaged 15 min a game, just like these guys.

What does Darren Helm draft position have to do with anything? Pavel Datsuyk was drafted 171st overall and plays on thier top line.

Yet still MPS one season (which could be a fluke) still compares to these two players. You pick 2 players at random who play 3/4 line minutes.

You're right, of course, but playing all the minutes Stoll managed to score 22 goals and 68 points.

Did Paajarvi?

Do you really think you'll see Paajarvi getting all those minutes again?

Paajarvi may well compare to 3rd line players when he learns to play physically like they do.

But bear in mind he was a top 10 pick while both Stoll and Helm were drafted much later.

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#91 Romulus' Apotheosis
January 17 2013, 08:20PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

AHL successes...Means nothing in the NHL. He is not the answer. Simple.

I think most people agree that the AHL is a fairly good predictor of NHL performance, while duly taking note of the still large gap between the two leagues.

At any rate, I don't recall anyone claiming Danis was the answer. Merely adding info about his track record.

Is he the best #2? not by a long shot.

But based on your discussion of him... I think he is better than you are giving him credit for.

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#94 Mikey
January 17 2013, 08:24PM
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You're right, of course, but playing all the minutes Stoll managed to score 22 goals and 68 points.

Did Paajarvi?

Do you really think you'll see Paajarvi getting all those minutes again?

Paajarvi may well compare to 3rd line players when he learns to play physically like they do.

But bear in mind he was a top 10 pick while both Stoll and Helm were drafted much later.

My point is that MPS point total in his rookie year are comparable to 3rd liners that people think are great. The only way he will get those minutes,18+, again is injury and he slides up to fill spot duty. Most 3 liners only play 13-15 minutes. Which at those minutes MPS has produced.

I don't think it's fair to compare Stolls 05-06 season with MPS rookie year for the reasons I already made.

Even if he is unable to beat those numbers again but is able to be an above average 3 liner/PK, in terms of shutting down players, getting the refs to hand out penalties, I think that's success.

I agree he needs to be more physical, but I also think most players should be more physical. And I never said its a lock, I said could. Remember he was 19, where as these players were 4+ yr older.

His draft position and whether he could have been picked up later is another topic. One for when we are discussing the oilers scouts.

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#95 DSF
January 17 2013, 08:32PM
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Why do people respond like that. I have not been under any rocks or been out of touch. I am not a pessimist so sue me. You don't know me. BTW if I ever had DSF agree with me I would be very ashamed.

Since when are PK Players all gritty and tough take a look around the NHL buddy players who can skate and have a good sticks are on the PK. Sounds like Paajarvi to me but its hard to tell from being under this rock.

I get it guys are spoiled with Halls and Eberle's production then look at MPS and point fingers and say no good. But this is a mistake because paajarvi is a NHLer. Ask the coach ask other GM's who would never send him to the AHL. and the guy that did last year got fired for a reason. One of those reasons was his handling of MPS. This is fact.

The team Needs him to draw penalty's he is hands down our best guy for that but you ignore it and make unfounded statements about his future that just don't make sense. Get real MPS is not going to the SEL why would you even say it and why would DSF agree??? And I am out touch... Whatever.

The notion that Paajarvi draws a lot of penalties is a myth.

In the 2010/11 season, he drew 0.60 PIM/60.

Not only was that 161st in the league but it was behind Hall, Brule, Omark, Hemsky, Reddox, Eberle and Jacques.

As a point of reference, the player who draws the most penalties in the league is Jeff Skinner at 2.6/60.

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January 17 2013, 08:34PM
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My point is that MPS point total in his rookie year are comparable to 3rd liners that people think are great. The only way he will get those minutes,18+, again is injury and he slides up to fill spot duty. Most 3 liners only play 13-15 minutes. Which at those minutes MPS has produced.

I don't think it's fair to compare Stolls 05-06 season with MPS rookie year for the reasons I already made.

Even if he is unable to beat those numbers again but is able to be an above average 3 liner/PK, in terms of shutting down players, getting the refs to hand out penalties, I think that's success.

I agree he needs to be more physical, but I also think most players should be more physical. And I never said its a lock, I said could. Remember he was 19, where as these players were 4+ yr older.

His draft position and whether he could have been picked up later is another topic. One for when we are discussing the oilers scouts.

Stoll and Helm are established NHL players.

Paajarvi isn't and appears to be regressing.

That a huge failure for a #10 pick in that draft.

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Facts are facts, he is not an NHL goalie. And this year he has been grossly inconsistent. You proved so in your monthly stats. Not sure why you feel he is so good.

Let me put it this way...

he was the AHL goalie of the year last year and is arguably the best 3rd goalie any team has.

I think he is a fine replacement for Nik's collapse... but he will still need someone to step in and relieve the pressure by becoming the permanent #2.

Or, I think he is a great injury call up AND I think he is a mediocre permanent #2.

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Stoll and Helm are established NHL players.

Paajarvi isn't and appears to be regressing.

That a huge failure for a #10 pick in that draft.

Your right, those were just the first two names that I thought of. You can pick your own. If you can find two better comparables. I picked them for a reason. They are established and MPS, in his rookie year, fared well in the comparison.

You can't determine if a player is regressing after one good year in the league then one bad year in the league.

If MPS ends up as a good 3rd liner then the pick is not a bust. Don't most people wait 5 years before they determine how good a player really is?

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I agree with expectations of tomorrow's 23 man roster, but I am curious to hear comments/insight on how Teubert/Fedun performed during the shortened training camp. I had read an earlier post that Fedun was experiencing some challenges while playing in OKC?

Anyhow I still hold out optimism that one or both of them have an opportunity to play on a regular basis with the Oil in the future.

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DSF wrote:

The notion that Paajarvi draws a lot of penalties is a myth.

In the 2010/11 season, he drew 0.60 PIM/60.

Not only was that 161st in the league but it was behind Hall, Brule, Omark, Hemsky, Reddox, Eberle and Jacques.

As a point of reference, the player who draws the most penalties in the league is Jeff Skinner at 2.6/60.

Ya PRV sucks Skinner rock's also your right in that the Oilers suck and every team in the league is way better then them with a brighter future. Damn reverse psychology with DSF and the Oilers don't work. I just feel dirty after saying that. Sorry team.

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