Oilers fall to Jets, but positives abound

Jonathan Willis
October 01 2013 11:21PM

The Edmonton Oilers lost their season opener. In the process, they blew a two-goal lead at the halfway point of the game as the Jets tallied three consecutive markers. Despite that, there was as much to like as dislike about their season opener.

Ales Hemsky

Not only did Ales Hemsky score a beautiful goal, but he spent a bunch of time on the penalty kill and had a pretty decent two-way game. Games like this one will go a long way toward putting that unpleasant summer of trade rumours in the past.

Jesse Joensuu

I keep waiting for Joensuu to slow down, but his red-hot preseason performance carried over at least to the first game of the regular season. The thing about Joensuu is he’s a welcome marriage of size and skill. On the latter point, he can skate and handle the puck at speed – two items that haven’t generally been found in the Oilers’ coke Machines. On the former point, not only is he big but he doesn’t back down. He jumped into scrums repeatedly over the course of the evening and went after guys that played his smaller linemates a little too roughly.

Luke Gazdic

The fourth line had a rough night scoring chances-wise, but even so it was hard not to be thrilled for Luke Gazdic. The 24-year-old took an especially hard route to the NHL – being a crash-and-bang type who fights is a tough way to make a living – so his first NHL goal in his first NHL game was great to see (the goal is technically listed as Mike Brown’s at the moment, but watching the replay it seems probable it will be awarded to Gazdic as the puck seems to have been deflected by a Jets’ stick).

Outshooting

There was also a lot to like about how aggressive the Oilers were - particularly in how they won the shots battle. The Oilers out-shot the Jets 24-22 at even-strength despite spending much of the game with the lead (once teams get the lead, they tend to be out-shot). The power play got 13 shots off in just over six minutes of total time, which is a fantastic rate. It won't matter until they get goaltending, but assuming that Devan Dubnyk eventually rebounds to Devan Dubnyk form, these sorts of shot numbers will win the Oilers a bunch of games.

The Other Stuff

  • Devan Dubnyk was flat-out bad. A number of those goals were on him tonight; if the Oilers had gotten even the goaltending Pavelec gave the Jets (and Pavelec is hardly the gold standard) they would have won this game. It's one game; this sort of thing happens. Dubnyk's resume suggests he's a better player than he showed tonight.
  • The first line got out-chanced, and Taylor Hall in particular had more than his share of turnovers. That will happen to offensive players trying to make plays, but it couldn't have been the opening night Hall was hoping for at centre.
  • As always, for both the good and the bad: it's one night. This was our first real look at the rebuilt Oilers; it's going to be fascinating to watch where they go from here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 rubbertrout
October 02 2013, 08:28AM
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DANGLES!

I also love how Dubie let in a softie while Dellow was in the middle of a multi-tweet pumping of his tires last night.

Timing is everything.

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#52 rob
October 02 2013, 08:28AM
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get rid of dubnyk,he cost us that game lat night,3 softies and its been this way forever.sure hall gave a turnover or 2 and there were some other negatives but dubey blew it huge!!!!play off lottery and new coach here we come,i feel like im trapped in groundhog day!

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#53 Batfink
October 02 2013, 08:28AM
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It's not until you get the team buying in to a coaches system that you realise just how many bad habits these young players have. Let me re-iterate: These are not bad players, they just have bad habits that should have been ironed out in the AHL, but weren't due to circumstances beyond their control. I mean, take Hall. Elite talent. Who the hell taught him its a good idea to give blind or soft passes up the middle? My 7yr old niece and nephew are told not to do that! Know not to do that! I hope these guys dust themselves off. They DID dominate most of the game, except where it really counts: The goal tally. Suck it up buttercups, come back harder and smarter in the next game.

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#54 Spydyr
October 02 2013, 08:37AM
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Dubnyk is what he is and has been his whole career. A "starting" goalie on a non-playoff team.Mac-T saw that and tried hard to fix the problem.

JJ looked great Ference was as expected.Smyth has to go to the third line put JJ on the first he has earned it.Eakins said play well play more.Here is your chance to back your words up.There are 4 days before the next game to give them time together.

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#55 Hemsky2.0
October 02 2013, 08:41AM
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Here goes another season of low blocker Dubie!

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#56 jr_christ
October 02 2013, 08:43AM
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That was an awesome game. I am super impressed with the pressure system that Eakins has the team playing. My quick thoughts while I sip the morning brew at work somewhat disappointed over out first game outcome:

(1) Joensuu is a machine. I am not sure I have seen many players who attack the d-men in the offensive zone as much as he did. Just an overall pleasant surprise.

(2) First line looked god aweful. It was apparent that Hall was not comfortable at center. We can't blame him for the game tying goal give away because Trouba shot that low glove from the point. That was on Dubnby. However, I think it will take a couple games for that line to catch fire.

(3) Gazdic was pretty fun to watch. He is a really great 4th line option to add some rough sand paper.

(4) Dubby was awful. If we had Pavalec in net it would have easily been a 4-1 or 4-2 game for us.

Excited to watch Van on Saturday.

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#57 Rod from Viking
October 02 2013, 08:50AM
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I really liked the new PK way more aggressive, and will produce a few shorties this year. New coach,eight new players, new system and one NHL center, they will get better Dubby has been brutal the last two games and he has to turns it around. I wish we had Trouba and Scheifiele, these guys look like future stars.

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#58 bdiddy18
October 02 2013, 08:55AM
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So Joensuu switch with Ryan Smyth right?

no brainer...lets do it

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#59 Rob...
October 02 2013, 09:00AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I really liked the new PK way more aggressive, and will produce a few shorties this year. New coach,eight new players, new system and one NHL center, they will get better Dubby has been brutal the last two games and he has to turns it around. I wish we had Trouba and Scheifiele, these guys look like future stars.

Trouba needs to watch himself. Had he connected on the Hall hit attempt he'd have gotten 3-5 games and Hall would have been out for at least 5 games with a concussion. I like his moxy, but he has to fine tune his line of attack.

Likewise, Smid will be lucky if he just gets a fine. I'm not convinced his brain wasn't working when he crosschecked Scheifele to the head (more like he was trying to pin him to the boards). The only thing that may save him is that there obviously wasn't a lot of force to the hit or Scheifele would have needed a stretcher instead of staying on the ice for the next play.

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#60 Rotten Ron
October 02 2013, 09:01AM
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WOW Dubnyk. Way to prove all your critics right. In my opinion, 3 out of 5 goals were complete stinkers.

The Little goal was an unscreened, 30 ft wrist shot to the blocker side. I thought the defence did well on it to only give up that shot and Dubnyk lets it in.

The first Frolik goal was a spinning, unscreened, 25ft, short side wrist shot. If I'm the Oilers defence, I give up that shot all day long as it should never go in.

The Trouba goal was a 1 vs 2, unscreened, not overly hard, 45ft slapper. Those are the type of goals that you see a preseason, prospect goalie give up in his 1 and old NHL game before he is sent back to junior.

For all the Dubnyk lovers that rattle off his save percentage and cling to the "every goalie lets in a bad on from time to time" argument. Explain to me how the hell a starting NHL goal lets in 3 in the first game.

He was fighting the puck all night. Couldn't catch the puck, spitting out horrible rebounds. Dubnyk was HORRIBLE last night.

What really backs up the argument is when the head coach in his presser comes out and says at least 2 goals were bad. You know you played bad when your coach doesn't pull out cliché after cliché like usual but instead says you sucked.

I guess the saving grace is Dubnyk "owned it" but who gives a crap. Stop the puck!! I know it's game 1 but if you can't come out in your home opener and play better than that, there is definite calls for concern.

Anyone know how old Ryan Smyth is? His bio says he's 37 but I could of sworn he was 50 out there. Can we please call the experiment with Smyth playing on the wing with Hall over and done with?

From what I seen 4 were bad and 1 was iffy. Problem with Dubnyk is he doesnt seem to understand positioning. He has relied on his size to get him this far but seems to be working against himself. Example- on four goal last night he was in the same position to the shooter with his body in the same stance. Deep in his net, too far centered on the net for the angle of the attacker and holding his arms in tight with gloves together against his stomach.He made three saves like that I seen last night 2 letting the puck hit him between his glove hand arm and one on his blocker arm and body, other goaltenders his size play tbe same style with two exceptions they get their body square to the shooter in proper position and let in hit then in the chest not trying to smother it between their arms and their body, and two they can use their glove and blocker to stop pucks, the only thing hes used his for was those lame commercials.Its been common to see him do this his whole career in the league. The books out on him, the league knows youre shooting at a shooter tutor with the arms cut off. I count 4 bad instead of 3 based on the screened goal that I believe he seen all the way due to the fact he reacted to the shot in the same fashion he did for the other stinkers.

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#61 BeeKayDub
October 02 2013, 09:07AM
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rob wrote:

get rid of dubnyk,he cost us that game lat night,3 softies and its been this way forever.sure hall gave a turnover or 2 and there were some other negatives but dubey blew it huge!!!!play off lottery and new coach here we come,i feel like im trapped in groundhog day!

Settle down...it's game one. Sheesh!

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#62 tileguy
October 02 2013, 09:27AM
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Accountability = Labarbera starts Saturday and Duby thinks.

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#63 Tikkanese
October 02 2013, 09:27AM
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Wow the Smyth haters are out in full force. He didn't have that bad of a game, geez. He was much better than Hall last night and I don't hear anyone saying bump Hall down to the 4th line. We actually dominated most of the game except for Dubnyk. If Dubnyk had even an average game we would have won easily.

Smyth did make a couple of mistakes but he made veteran plays and made up for them almost instantly. For example, when Buff bumped him off the puck in the third, then Smyth got up and bumped Buff back in the corner and caused Buff to turn the puck over. He was also great in front of the net and did fine on the PK.

Don't worry he won't be on the first line for long. He's only there to provide Hall some calming veteran presence while Hall learns center. Plus Eakins is forced to spread out our remaining 1.5 healthy top lines over 3 lines. If he moved say Yakupov up instead of Smyth, that would make the 3rd line absolutely horrible. We'd never win that way. The way the lines are set now, we have a chance.

With the major holes in the lineup due to Hopkins and Gagner injuries, all we can do is hope we are somewhere remotely close to .500 until they come back. I'm not sure what you all are expecting with our top two centers out.

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#64 2004Z06
October 02 2013, 09:28AM
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I was so surprised to wake up this morning and see that the sky had not fallen. First game, lots of positives, some mistakes as well.

A lot of players had poor showings and some had great showings. Relax folks. Lets see what things look like after 10 games.

Every team last night looked awful at times.

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#65 spliff
October 02 2013, 09:29AM
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Settle down its one game? I've been supporting this team since the 70's, and I'm sick of investing money and time into a team that can't at least be one of 16 teams, in a 30 team league, to make the playoffs. Its been 7 f*cking years! We need good players, who can win games. We could have, and should have won that game. We should have one win, zero losses and two points. The NHL is a very competitive league, and every point counts, especially for perennial underachievers like the Oilers. So its not "just one game." Dubie sucked badly. For 3 million a year, which takes me almost 40 years to make, he needs to make those routine saves. Brutal goaltending, and something the Oil management should have sorted out years ago. Incompetence.

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#66 Sidney Frosby
October 02 2013, 09:30AM
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Wow... Oilers played their goal leader (Yakupov) from last year 14 minutes..... Can't believe they think that is gonna help them win games....

Everyone who says Yakupov didn't play well last night is crazy. He was good in the first and second periods. Much better than Ryan Smyth... And less invisible than Perron for sure.

On the other note.. Hemsky and JJ looked good.

Can't believe our only other option to Dubnyk is Labarbararara.....

Craig Mac-t sure didn't think that one through.

This team has the makings of a good team if they could just get more sandpaper up front, a stable goalie, and big man on back end.

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#67 Sidney Frosby
October 02 2013, 09:34AM
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Jonas Hiller or Brian Elloit or Jose Theodore anyone?

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#68 madjam
October 02 2013, 09:52AM
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The good : Smyth and Hemsky played well , but Hall did not - making the line overall a minus -1 on nite . Second line showed little, was not visible most of nite . Despite the odd good shift , Joensuu and Gordon finished a-2 for the nite . Yak did little to impress .The 4th line impressed and did not cost us any goals . Defencesively only Smid and Petry finished with a plus one . Belov and N.Schultz minus 2 . J.Schultz and Ference @ -1 .If Dubbie played well we win , but he did not . Defence lacked toughness once again . If Nurse was in , I believe we win on this nite .

Surprisingly , our game seem to unfurl after the fight . Although we outshot the Jets badly in the third (a good sign compared to reason collapses), we resorted back to our periphery game with most shots in various low value areas .This club still seems to distain a physical game on offence whenever possible - the usual culprits .

The grind gets tougher on this road swing coming up , and we are going to need stellar goalkeeping in most to stay with them . Looking right now that Eakins is going to have a tough time getting our present club to play physical enough for 60 minutes .

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#69 spliff
October 02 2013, 09:53AM
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Hall had an average game, and made some ill-advised passes. However, he is new to the center-position. I've watched Taylor Hall since day one in E-town, and I'll support him 24/7. He is a winner and worth every cent of his huge salary. Duby however, has a bad habit of letting in backbreaking goals at the worst time, and this is already starting again, in game one of perhaps the most important season in franchise history. I know his save % last year was very good (not excellent), but goalies on playoff bound teams need to be consistent, and not allow consistently allow cheap goals at the worst times. Oiler with Duby = no playoffs ...again FFS.

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#70 Cody anderson
October 02 2013, 10:00AM
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Jarko wrote:

Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel if Jonesuu and Hemsky are your highlights! Despite all his energy Jonesuu still ended up -2 on the night. Bigger concern is how ordinary Hall and Eberle looked. Yes...it is just one game hand isn't anywhere near the panic button...but I just hope Hall and Ebs aren't waiting for Nuge to come back before they turn it on. Still don't get why the Oilers have not done anything to significantly address their D and Goaltending situation. Dubs has proven repeatedly that he is nothing more than a quality back up. The D still lacks a bonafide 1 or 2 D-Man. Which means all the D-Men are playing up a couple of notches. Yes...one game...but left the rink not seeing much different than I saw last year.

Because 1-2 Dmen are not cheap. The future looks very bright on the back end and this D-corps looks much improved over last year.

Dubnyk' numbers were average for a starter on one of the worst teams in the league. How does that translate into a back-up? If he were the starter on the Blues, Ottawa, Boston or any other strong defensive team he likely would have been top 5 or 6 in the league. I don't know if he will ever be a super star in net but he is very obviously at least a serviceable starter.

My only concern before the injuries to Nuge and Gagner were overall team toughness, and lack of proven depth in the bottom 6. Now obviously centre in a major weakness, but it is also a short term problem.

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#71 fig pucker
October 02 2013, 10:04AM
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the defense was chasing, the net was leaking, the top two lines where m.i.a, the whole team fell asleap at the wheel in the third. the more things change the more they stay the same. maybe dalles etkins should teach our guys how to cycle a puck down low, to eat the clock and how to protect a lead, just like the leafs did last night.

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#72 Rob...
October 02 2013, 10:06AM
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@madjam

Your last post shows just how flawed plus/minus is.

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#73 Bushed
October 02 2013, 10:07AM
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Good game summary, Willis.

Maybe send a copy of this over to McCurdy, who apparently didn't see the same game (see today's Journal)...

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#74 rickithebear
October 02 2013, 10:15AM
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Since Dubnyk took over from KHB Jan 15 2012 he has played 65.5 games of minutes. Dubnyk is 29 W - 27 L - 9 OTL He faced 30.7 shots/gm He was .920 SV% 2.47GA which is in the top 15.

of the 65 games 57 were 3 goals or less. He gives us a chance to win 88% of our games.

The last 3 years there is one goalie with a .920 even save % every year. He plays for us.

How can this be?

shots against per game #1 NJD 23.1 #29 EDM 32.8

it is apparent some people cannot think past one game (sign of attention deficit disorder)

i will look at the full body of work and hope our Defence can get down to the 28.9 shots/gm

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#75 spliff
October 02 2013, 10:23AM
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@rickithebear

Then why do a large percentage of the fanbase, and even MacT himself, seem to not be sold on him.

Maybe, its because he has a bad habit of letting in cheap goals at the wrong time. This is backbreaking for an a team like the Oilers, who will most likely be scrapping to the bitter end to finish eight in the conference.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Fuhr was not top of the league in goalie stats, but he was money when it counted. For 3 bills a year, we need something more dependable between the pipes.

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#76 Clarko
October 02 2013, 10:24AM
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rickithebear wrote:

Since Dubnyk took over from KHB Jan 15 2012 he has played 65.5 games of minutes. Dubnyk is 29 W - 27 L - 9 OTL He faced 30.7 shots/gm He was .920 SV% 2.47GA which is in the top 15.

of the 65 games 57 were 3 goals or less. He gives us a chance to win 88% of our games.

The last 3 years there is one goalie with a .920 even save % every year. He plays for us.

How can this be?

shots against per game #1 NJD 23.1 #29 EDM 32.8

it is apparent some people cannot think past one game (sign of attention deficit disorder)

i will look at the full body of work and hope our Defence can get down to the 28.9 shots/gm

Exactly...he was brutal in the game early in the season against San Jose, but this team was brutal defensively and yet he had one of the top save percentages in the league among starters. It's one game. It's ridiculous how much overreaction there is for ONE game!

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#77 war
October 02 2013, 10:32AM
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Exactly...he was brutal in the game early in the season against San Jose, but this team was brutal defensively and yet he had one of the top save percentages in the league among starters. It's one game. It's ridiculous how much overreaction there is for ONE game!

post this after 40 games of dubey,pull some stats out of your butt,while you are at it get the stat for our chsnces of picking first overall!DUBEY has to go

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#78 rickithebear
October 02 2013, 10:58AM
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You might want to look at the % of 3 G or better games from goalies. the last couple of years. the elite are in the 90 to 85% range with most facing 29 shots/gm or less lundquist @ 90% faces 27.7 Dubnyk in the top 5 faces 32.3

our goalie is in the top 5 for chance to win games facing 15% more shots.

I am tired of the lazy trite bile that comes out of the dubnyk hater mouths.

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#79 Mikey
October 02 2013, 11:07AM
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Your last post shows just how flawed plus/minus is.

To further your point. If Dubnyk doesn't let the 4 softies in, everyone looks good last night in the +/- which they should because the oilers dominated that game.

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#80 Will
October 02 2013, 11:10AM
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It's too bad Dubnyk let the team down last night.

As for the rest, my favourite line had to be Gordon, Joensu, Yak. That line was dangerous all night.

I was incredibly impressed with the way our defence played as well. It's been a long time since I watched the Oilers quickly recover the puck and turn it the other way with a crisp solid pass.

All the Jet's goals save one, were not results of them setting up and blasting away in our zone, they were bad angles off the rush and turnovers near the blue.

I was also impressed with the physicality, especially from the fourth line. Brown and Gazdic were crushing guys out there last night. In my opinion Mac will be there only to back those guys up against a super heavy weight, not to play hockey because that line did just fine.

Having said all of that, I am looking forward to getting Gags and Nuge back as Hall struggled a bit, but Smyth might have been the worst payer out there last night. He just can't keep up.

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#81 blue31
October 02 2013, 11:12AM
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I find that Dubnyk and Hemsky are the two players whose body language clearly exposes their headspace on any given night.

I could tell from the first shift that Dubnyk just "wasn't into it" last night.*

*Apologies to Jason Arnott.

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#82 TKB2677
October 02 2013, 11:15AM
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@Rotten Ron

Exactly. He's almost good for at least a bad goal a night. Last night it was 2 for sure that Eakin's actually acknowledged was the case. I think 3 (Little's, Frolik's first, Trouba) but I have no argument against saying 4 weren't great.

His rebound control was horrible and he couldn't catch the puck to save his life.

What is starting to bother me and you touched on it is on when Dubnyk comes out and owns up to stinking it up, his reasons are exactly the same every time. Too deep in his net, losing his net, back angle on the shot.

Dubnyk is 27 yrs old. This is his 5th season with in the NHL and 8th professionally. When the hell is he going to figure out the whole "too deep, losing net, bad angles" thing. You know, the BASICS that every NHL goalie needs to have.

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#83 Rob...
October 02 2013, 11:18AM
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@Mikey

My point is more that +/- rarely reflects the effectiveness of the player on the ice. A player could have 20 flubs during the game and be a plus player. Likewise, he could score a hat-trick during powerplays yet still be a minus on the night.

Hall didn't dominate, he had several bad giveways that led to scoring chances. Regardless whether or not they led to goals, they should be accounted for in a good stat that is meant to reflect how well a player played. +/- is NOT a good stat.

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#84 rickithebear
October 02 2013, 11:18AM
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War i just presented stats over 3years. his game count is higher than 40.

I have 3 year old! who good at math! Beauty!

1 tops even strength Goalie 2. top 5 3 goals or less goalie 3. One of 8 goalies not to have a season below average for stopping shots.

Spiff: Mact went after Schnieder. He had the best 3 year period save% of the 8 above average goalies.

So i can understand trying to get #1 to replace #6. but Dubnyk is better @ even and gives you more games chances to win.

So if Mact tries to trade for Crosby #1 PPG instead of D. sedin #6 PPg the last 3 years. Does that make D. Sedin A bad player? Hell no.

But if they go around questioning Sedin, there is a need to explain!

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#85 TKB2677
October 02 2013, 11:18AM
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@rickithebear

Who gives a crap about stats. The only stat that matters is WINS!!! He doesn't win. Some of it is on his team but his team scored 4 goals last night and he let in 5, 3 of which were lousy goals.

I love when people cling to dear life on save percentage. Yes there is something to it BUT an opposing team can shoot 30 shots on net, your goalies saving 28. That's a .9333 save %. But does it really matter how many the goalie saves if those 2 he lets in are stinkers?

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#86 blue31
October 02 2013, 11:24AM
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rickithebear wrote:

War i just presented stats over 3years. his game count is higher than 40.

I have 3 year old! who good at math! Beauty!

1 tops even strength Goalie 2. top 5 3 goals or less goalie 3. One of 8 goalies not to have a season below average for stopping shots.

Spiff: Mact went after Schnieder. He had the best 3 year period save% of the 8 above average goalies.

So i can understand trying to get #1 to replace #6. but Dubnyk is better @ even and gives you more games chances to win.

So if Mact tries to trade for Crosby #1 PPG instead of D. sedin #6 PPg the last 3 years. Does that make D. Sedin A bad player? Hell no.

But if they go around questioning Sedin, there is a need to explain!

english as second language

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#87 rickithebear
October 02 2013, 11:38AM
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Rotten Rod;

Dubnyk faced the 2nd most shots/gm of any goalie in the league the last 3 years. He had the 2nd best 3 goals or less game % of the top goalies.

in what world is the defence that; 1. avearged 30th the last 4 years. 2. giving up the 2nd most shots per game give up the 2nd easiest shots faced count to justify Dubnyk being one of the best 3g or less goalies in the game.

Yep CHi, NYR, BOS, VCR defence gave up way more quality chances than our d to be able to say there goalies were equal or better than Dubnyk for Bad GA games.

2nd best non bad GA games, But he is the problem cause our 30th finish team defence defene gives up less quality chances than 3 f the last 4 cup winers, a cup finalist, and conferecne finalist.

What planet?

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#88 rickithebear
October 02 2013, 11:45AM
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Blue31:

Ignoring the facts. to concentrate on a belief in a language structure that does not exist.

English is a Digion. Asian academic term. Speech created from a a colection of true base languages that modifies and adds based on current culture. With multiple dialects.

there are many of us who accept that the human brain is strong enough to correct dialects to undrstand the written and spoken form. thus it is a waist of time to concentrate on rules that hold no true form.

i am sorry you are bothered by this.

makes me wonder though: 1. is your brain not capable to auto current. or 2. are you just biggot when dealing with english dialects.

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#89 vetinari
October 02 2013, 11:47AM
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BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD

...er... ahem... sorry about that... just getting into the spirit of everything...

While I definitely wasn't pleased with Dubnyk's performance last night, I'm sure that he, the coaching staff and most of his teammates weren't pleased with their performances either.

I'm the last guy to compare Dubnyk to Patrick Roy, but remember when Roy got shelled and the coach refused to pull him sooner and he ended up traded to the Avalanche a few days later because he was embarrassed in front of the fans and never wanted to suit up in a Canadians jersey again? Whether deserved or not, how far are we from a night like that happening at RX1?

MacT also did the right thing and tried to upgrade the position in the offseason but now that the season is underway, you have to say that it has only been one game and recognize that it is presently a seller's market out there so most goalies, if they can be had, would cost an arm and an Eberle.

Dubnyk's in our crease until 2014 so make peace with that...

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#90 BleedingOil
October 02 2013, 12:08PM
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not reading to see if this has been covered, but Dubnyk has to go. I know it is only one game but COME ON! Three softies cost us the game. Hell, 2 cost us. Even our expected one would not have saved the day. If our guys are going out busting their asses off and cant win on a 4 or 5 goal nights, there need to be a change in goal. send him packing. Hell, I would even give Chris Mason a call.

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#91 lolhockey
October 02 2013, 12:24PM
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I don't mind Smyth playing on the top line to start the season, so long as it's not 17-19 mins a night (17:33 last night). Double shift Yak and let him play LW for a few shifts with Hall & Hemsky.

Also, if your team scores 4 goals, it's the goalies responsibility to make sure those 4 goals are enough to win.

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#92 Pucker
October 02 2013, 12:44PM
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Nice, positive article. Or is it 'smarticle'?

I was down with the result but while watching the game last night, I was pleased with most of what I was seeing.

Much, much better than what I remember from last year. Hopefully they keep it up and improve.

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#93 etownman
October 02 2013, 12:49PM
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I did not like Dubnyk's game last night, should we turf him without another chance? No! MacT has got to watch this closely though because the whole team in front of him will play different if they don't have confidence in his ability! Some body language from some of his teammates after some of the goals said plenty!

Smyth looked out of place playing with Hemmer & Hall! A different look should be tried with either Yakupov or Joensuu! I hate to say it but Smytty looked tired & slow quite often last night!

I like the coaches philosophy to date but he overplayed Hallsy last night! I think Hall lost his legs in the second period because he was put back on the ice before he was fully recovered!

Acton, Brown & Gazdic need more ice time, not a lot but they have to get more of their physicality into the game! I know there was plenty of PP's but i would have liked to have seen these guys with a few more shifts!

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#94 Puritania
October 02 2013, 12:51PM
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I should have taken Dubnyk as my goat. What the hell was I thinking?

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#95 Eastern Oil
October 02 2013, 01:47PM
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@ Rickithebear

You and your "fancy" stats like save percentage and shots on net! What about Dubnyk's body language, grit factor, and the "I saw him good" component? Those are stats I can really base my one regular season game opinion on!

Next you will be saying that goals and assists are the best way to judge a player by!

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#96 Ricardodw
October 02 2013, 01:57PM
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Anyone else notice on how the Jets punked Eberle?

Eberle got hit 5 times and most of them big hits.

Hall had a bad game playing a new position and all but Eberle who is being paid to be one of the Oilers 3 best players was man-handled by the Jets and this wasn't even a division game.

Not hard to scout the Oilers. They need another big guy besides Joensuu to play with Eberle.

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#97 war
October 02 2013, 02:38PM
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BleedingOil wrote:

not reading to see if this has been covered, but Dubnyk has to go. I know it is only one game but COME ON! Three softies cost us the game. Hell, 2 cost us. Even our expected one would not have saved the day. If our guys are going out busting their asses off and cant win on a 4 or 5 goal nights, there need to be a change in goal. send him packing. Hell, I would even give Chris Mason a call.

I would even take Cocklin,markkenen,salo,garon or the kitchen sink for that matter.I understand Dubnyk has had a lot of shots,had a bad defence but we needed to win that one and he cost us,we can throw out all the stats we want,but someone give me a stat for how many bad goals he lets in by the end of the season,right now the count is 3!

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#98 Oilers4ever
October 02 2013, 02:39PM
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Its just one night? REALLY? Do you believe that as much as the Oilers oh so faithful mgmt keeps trying to slam down our throats its just one more year of rebuilding 7 years later. PLEASE! Dubynk was his ole normal self of at least ONE bad goal every game. Except tonight there were four (he had no hope on Frolik's shot through the screen with three guys in front of him - I'll give him that one). If this team continues to think they'll be a playoff team with the Dubeless one then come wake me up in 5 years when its 12 years out. He's NOT good enough. Plain and simple. You may be right that Pavlec is no better.. BUT... he MADE the big saves after the Oil had 4 to make sure they didn't get 5. Dubey didn't do that. He gave the goals that should have been stopped.

As for Hallsy, I dunno. Hate to be hard on him cuz it was his first real game at center but he's damn well smart enough to know that you don't make those bonehead plays that he did that resulted DIRECTLY in two goals against. Sorry, but your 6 mill a year guy needs to play smarter and better. It's not like he's never played center before. He played there in Windsor for a year. He knows the position.

And get Smyth off the darn top line and put Yaks there. Smitty is too slow to keep up and Yaks is NOT NOT NOT a third line winger. You'll have that kid wanting out of here after his ELC is done if stays on a third line. Not the way you treat a first overall pick with 40-50 goal potential. Hopefully they fix that brain fart.

Good luck in VanCity... they are going to need it.

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#99 Oilers4ever
October 02 2013, 02:52PM
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rickithebear wrote:

You might want to look at the % of 3 G or better games from goalies. the last couple of years. the elite are in the 90 to 85% range with most facing 29 shots/gm or less lundquist @ 90% faces 27.7 Dubnyk in the top 5 faces 32.3

our goalie is in the top 5 for chance to win games facing 15% more shots.

I am tired of the lazy trite bile that comes out of the dubnyk hater mouths.

Seriously.. I think we are tired of you pouring MEANINGLESS stats down our throats when you forget THE most important stat every time! He loses more than he wins EVERY YEAR. Ya, some to blame on shoddy defense over the years. But the D was good last night. He just continues to let in soft crap game in and game out. Hell, one of our goalies from the rec hockey league I am in good stop more than him. We DON'T have time this year to give him 10 games to get his crap together. Not with the schedule we have. If he can't pull up his big girl panties and get his crap together then ship him out of town. His ability to consistently make big saves game in and game out is about as good as the Esks O-Line is at protecting their QB. NON-EXISTENT!!!

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#100 TM8Trent
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I think you meant Brown on the 4th line, not Smith. I agree some shuffling needs to get done. THe second line didn't produce at all even though Arcobello was creating quite a few chances. I think Perron and Eberle were a little intimidated by the physical play. Dallas admitted in the post conference that one of his mistakes was not to give Joenssu more ice time and another not to give the fourth line more ice time. Ryan Smyth wasn't bad but he wasn't effective either. I would move Perron to the First line because he is a better defensive player and move Joenssu tot he second with Arcobello and Eberle so he can creat some space for those too because they are small. Smyth on the third line with Gordon and Yakupov or Even Gazdik there to see what could happen. I didn't like Petry's play tonight, a little slow and unaware at times. Smid played his solid shutdown role. Ference Belov and Justin Schultz had a few adventures but overall were good and Nick Schultz looks way better on the third pairing than on the first last year.

Yes thanks I meant Brown, and had way too may wobbly pops and a touch of anger when I wrote this..

I like your idea as well, with Perron on the first, but I didn't want to break up Eberle & Perron after they had such great chemistry in preseason.

Either way the lines need work, and Smyth should not be on any line above the 3rd and he should not get more than 10 minutes a game.

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