GDB 4.0: LOOKING FOR MOMENTUM

Jason Gregor
October 10 2013 12:12PM

After a ferocious comeback led them to a shootout victory on Monday, the Oilers will be looking to carry that momentum into tonight's clash with the Montreal Canadiens. The Oilers have trailed by three goals heading into the 3rd period 285 times in franchise history, and Monday was only the 5th time they came back to win the game. Those types of comebacks are extremely rare, but the enthusiasm and confidence the Oilers gained from that game has been evident the past few days.

The players were more relaxed. This team is still quite young, especially their offensive leaders, and even though it was only eight periods of hockey, you could tell some of them were frustrated with their lack of production prior to the 3rd period explosion vs. the Devils.

Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov desperately want to lead this team offensively. They feel their primary job is to score goals, and you could see they were getting frustrated not doing it. They have high expectations, and since Monday's victory you could see the relief on two of their faces.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored in his first game, so he wasn't feeling any frustration, but he's just as hungry to lead this team as the other three.

As they mature, they will realize that on nights where their offence is struggling they can still help the team by playing solid defensively. It is easy to say, but much harder to accept. Very few young offensive stars can accept that playing great defence is as important as scoring a goal. They were able to dominate at every other level, and most of their domination came offensively.

This isn't a knock or a criticism, just a fact in today's game. The best offensive players become some of the best two-way players if their teams want to win. Sidney Crosby, Jonathan Toews, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg and Patrice Bergeron are excellent two-way players, and Nugent-Hopkins is constantly talking about wanting to emulate them.

Hall, Eberle and Yakupov are equally aware of it, but it will take time before they don't get frustrated when the offence dries up. Usually their slumps won't last very long, so it won't be a big issue, but even a two-game drought can frustrate young snipers.

Hall's third period goal was a huge relief, and even though Eberle didn't score a goal, he contributed with an assist and he too was more relaxed the past few days.

Yakupov loves scoring goals, and after scoring six goals in his final three games he was hoping to carry that momentum into this season. It hasn't happened, yet, and you can see the frustration in his game. It seems many in Oilersnation want to blame his linemates for his lack of production. That is a lame excuse, and not one that Yakupov is thinking about.

Elite players don't think that way. Yakupov can score regardless of who he plays with, and when I spoke to him yesterday he said he just needs to shoot more and react better to plays. He's played most of the season with Boyd Gordon, who has a point in every game, so the excuse of weak linemates is not only a cop out, but also inaccurate.

Yakupov needs to shoot more, but he also needs to work harder to get into better shooting lanes. It is only three games, and no one should be that concerned, but stop blaming his linemates. Gordon is playing the best offensive hockey of his career, yet he's an anchor for Yakupov? It doesn't jive.

Yakupov will start producing, and when he does it will likely coincide with him simply working harder in every aspect of his game.

LINEUP

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Arcobello-Hemsky
Smyth-Gordon-Yakupov
Gazdic-Acton-Brown

Ference-J. Schultz
Belov-Petry
Smid-N.Schultz

Dubnyk

I'm sure many will complain that Yakupov is playing with Smyth, but Eakins isn't afraid to juggle his lines, so I'm sure we will see Yakupov play with other duos as well. Eakins won't hesitate to switch up the lines if they aren't producing, but he stated yesterday he'd much rather keep his lines together, because that means they are playing well.

The Canadiens lost 3-2 in Calgary last night and didn't skate this morning, but Peter Budaj will get the start in goal for the Habs. Josh Gorges was injured and only played one shift in the third period last night, so he'll be a game time decision.

Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Briere
Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Prust-Moen-White/Bournival

Gorges??-Subban
Markov-Diaz
Bouillon-Tinordi

Budaj 

QUICK HITS....

  • David Perron is another scorer who wants to be a main contributor. After a solid preseason, five goals, he too was pressing for his first as an Oiler. After he ripped one over Brodeur's right shoulder he admitted he felt a great sense of relief. It is nice to see a bunch of players who truly want to contribute and win. Once this team learns to play better away from the puck, I believe they will be a handful for opposing teams.
     
  • Last year many wrote how Eberle's shooting % was unsustainable, and he would clearly regress. It is interesting how none of those same people wrote similar stories about Yakupov. Yakupov had 17 goals on 81 shots for a sizzling 21 SH%. If Eberle's 18.9% wasn't going to be repeated, shouldn't those people expect Yakupov to regress as well?
     
  • Perception and human nature is a funny thing. It seems some have decided it is Eberle vs. Yakupov, instead of hoping that both have great success. I sense that some would rather see Yakupov succeed than Eberle, mainly because he was the #1 overall pick. After a 76-point season many stats guys wanted to show why Eberle couldn't maintain those numbers, yet after Yakupov's rookie campaign many automatically assumed he'd become a 35-goal man. Why was Eberle's season critiqued due to SH%, but Yakupov's used as a stepping stone to future success?
     
  • Lars Eller is off to a great start for the Habs. He has four goals and six points in three games, while Aex Galchenyuk has five assists. Eakins likes to go power on power so we could see the RNH line vs. Galchenyuk which should be exciting.
     
  • I loved Tomas Hertl's goal. It is extremely difficult to pull that off in a game, and outside of Adam Oates, it seemed most hockey fans appreciated it. I liked Hall's response when I asked him if he feels it was disrespectful. "I think it is more insulting if a team stops trying against you than if they run up the score or score a flashy goal," said Hall. 

THE ORACLE....

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers can't afford to go on the road with only one victory. They will play their best game of the early season and skate away with a 4-2 victory.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Gordon has had four three-game point streaks in his career, but he's never had points in four consecutive games. He'll set a career high tonight with an assist, and make everyone forget about the dreadful two seasons of the Belanger Triangle.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Midway through the first period Alex Galchenyuk, the 3rd pick in the 2012 draft, will crush Yakupov, 1st pick in 2012, with an open ice hit. Yakupov is slow to get up, but on his next shift he rips a one-timer for his first goal of the season. Instead of a crazy celebration, he just stands still and raises his hands above his head with a big smile. After the game he thanks his former teammate for waking him from his early season slump.

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#51 Rocket
October 10 2013, 10:07PM
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Wow is Petry bad this year. What happened? A good rookie showing, then he get's upgraded to the first pairing. It seems like he can't handle the opposing top lines at all.

Overall The Oilers aren't playing badly but the bounces are definitely going Montreal's way. Perron is fired up to play the Habs and the first line is generating chances. Nuge looks like he's flying around everywhere on the ice.

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#52 Poolanov
October 10 2013, 10:24PM
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Brutal play by Hopkins on Montreal's 3rd goal.

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#53 JJ
October 10 2013, 10:26PM
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Galchy had another 2 points this night to bring his total to 7. Yak had 0. Just some interesting fact. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

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#54 jonny94
October 10 2013, 10:30PM
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Poolanov wrote:

Brutal play by Hopkins on Montreal's 3rd goal.

You mean Ference right? He was the D man that pinched and created the 2 on 1.... Can't blame Hopkins when he gets pinned to the boards by 2 Habs with no support.

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#55 Reg Dunlop
October 10 2013, 10:35PM
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JJ wrote:

Galchy had another 2 points this night to bring his total to 7. Yak had 0. Just some interesting fact. Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

The history of the draft shows multiple cases where a run of great first over-alls is followed by busts.

Lemieux-Wendel Clark then Murphy-Turgeon

Sundin-Nolan-Lindros then Hamerlik-Daigle-Jovanoski-Berard

Stamkos-Tavares then Hall-Nuge-Yak. Not implying that all the oil#1s are busts but maybe 1 of them won't pan out.

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#56 Dubs-nik
October 10 2013, 12:18PM
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Let wait to see how doobs plays today FIST, before we jump to conclusions and write off that momentum

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#57 Geoff
October 10 2013, 02:18PM
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Every time I've noticed Yakupov with Hall it just seems they have great chemistry.

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#58 Wax Man Riley
October 10 2013, 03:26PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I can't believe how this organization is purposely ruining Yak's career by playing him on the 3rd line! He needs top 6 minutes....

....well... another young player ruined by the Oilers.

I can't believe Eakins is playing Hemsky on the 3rd line! He has been one of, if not, THE best player so far!

Plus, they need to showcase his talents and get him some minutes to get something for him on the trade market.

....well....another veteran player and asset ruined by the Oilers.

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#59 JJ
October 10 2013, 03:53PM
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NJ wrote:

Not to rain on your parade because I think Galchenyuk is a talent, however I would bet my last dollar that if Yak was playing with 2 guys with the talent AND effort of Gallagher and Eller, you'd see a different result. I would also suggest that Galchenyuk Gordan and Smyth would yield Yak's current results.

Everyone says that Eakins likes duos ... Who is Yakupov's?

All that being said, JG has it right and Nail needs to be awesome in spite of his linemates. When his effort level reaches a level of consistency that is required for the nhl, he'll be the stud (no pun intended) we all want him to become.

Last: in regards to a trade, in one second I'd send Nail or Eberle to Nashville for Seth Jones. Big stay at home defenseman who's NHL ready and is likely to be a #1 d man just about the time we round into a conference leading competitor in say... 2-3 years. Bold? Absolutely. Bring it on.

Just my $.02...

I agree, I think Eberle should be traded for a top D or top line C. Hemsky can fill in his void on the first line and Yak can slot into second. Plus, he would get quite a return.

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#60 westcoastoil
October 10 2013, 04:01PM
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Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe! wrote:

Tough to argue with what you're saying about Linus. Still, I'm gonna try:

1. how many teams took a pass on Marty St Louis before he got a fair chance?

2. Every time I've been able to watch Omark, I've been impressed with his hustle, effort, creativity and puck possession. I don't get to watch the Oil as much as I'd like (stupid real life) so I've missed a lot of the Omark saga, but what I've observed firsthand is in direct opposition to what I hear secondhand.

I'll admit the stats back the 'Not an NHL player' argument, (especially in the preseason) but hey, look at the panic/criticism/excuse making/controversy surrounding Yakupov. Does Yak get the same treatment as Omark? Nope. He's had so much more opportunity than Omark, and nobody (rightfully so) would dream of sending him to OKC when he's slumping. Why doesn't Omark get a chance to find his game over a full season with the team, including PP time. I'm not saying that Omark is the same player as Yak, but Nail is benefitting from more opportunity in a lockout season than Omark has gotten in 5 years.

I think Omark can play, but might never get a legit opportunity. I guess if you want to be an offensive player in Edm, you've got to be drafted first overall or learn your trade at the World Juniors or with another team that has an effective system for helping players get better. The Oil do not develop skill forwards - those guys spin their wheels in the minors and never get better or get a look. Do the players get some of the blame? Of course, but look at the pattern: Rob Schremp, MPS, Omark, Rajala. All had potential, none have achieved it here.

Keep in mind every other team in the league could have grabbed him off waivers and didn't.

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#61 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 10 2013, 04:40PM
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The Canadiens play with more heart and outwork the Oilers this evening. Eakins starts the wrong goaltender, back into the flames for Dubey as the Oil get torched 6-2. Oilers can't overcome a quick start by the Habs. Montreal is amped up after last night and the Oilers are bored and a little too relaxed since Tuesday.

It's been 6 weeks since Eakins fitness structure was implemented. Should have started to see the benefits of this by now...no reason for them to get outworked.

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#62 Oiler63
October 10 2013, 09:35PM
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Yak hasn't played a second after that second goal. That kind of lazy defensive play will not do him any favor.

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#63 ColourMeImpressed
October 10 2013, 10:36PM
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Next season at the home opener, the announcer will boom over the PA system "Ladies and Gentlemen, here come your Edmonton Thrashers!"

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#64 Wax Man Riley
October 11 2013, 12:15AM
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John wrote:

The players worked hard and it was an exciting game. If they were really sucking, I would've been bored and depressed watching the game (like the first two periods of the previous game), but it was a fun one to watch.

And so much of hockey is up to chance--bouncing pucks, missed calls, someone loses an edge on some soft ice--that I'm not too bothered by this loss. This time the chances didn't work out, but who knows about next game.

Anyway, I enjoyed the game. I'm looking forward to the next one!

-said Oilers fans circa 2008*

*2004?

*2001?

*1996?

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#65 Seriously
October 11 2013, 12:29AM
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Cold Hard Truth wrote:

I would love to see the Oilers succeed. You know, finally turn the corner and start showing some consistency.

But I'm actually starting to take pity on this team and especially the fans. It doesn't make sense how an organization can suck so much and for so long.

The problems that have been with us for the past few years are still here:

- Despite all the high-end skill, we can't score. - Bad defence - No depth at center - Unreliable goaltending

I'm not looking to MacTavish to fix anything. He's part of the problem.

Could not agree more!!! Nicely put!!!

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#66 Trolololo
October 11 2013, 11:40AM
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Fire eakins! Fire McTavish! Fire Lowe!Get an owner who wants to win not just hang around with boyhood idols.

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#67 lolhockey
October 10 2013, 12:36PM
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I really like Yakupov and I hope he does well tonight. He might not score, but he needs to play better.

If he doesn't, I think he'll be the first of the Fab 5 to be made an example of and take a seat in the press box.

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#68 Smythyyy
October 10 2013, 01:37PM
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Any word on Joenssu? Will he be out much longer?

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#69 Wax Man Riley
October 10 2013, 03:40PM
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Chaz wrote:

....oh wait, I also hate Calgary Fans.....and Vancouver Fans (REALLY hate Vancouver Fans)....and Toronto Fans......

For some reason I'm okay with Winnipeg and Ottawa fans. Not sure why.....

Wow, my thoughts EXACTLY!

Ott,'Peg; you're all good in my books.

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#70 Simpsonite
October 10 2013, 03:49PM
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My funny Habs here story:

We have seats right by the visitor penalty box one day. Gionta gets a penalty. I start chirping him. "GIONTA!!! GIONTA!!! YOU'RE A CARNEY!!! YOU ARE CIRCUS FOLK!!!!" I can see his face...he can hear me and he's not entirely sure what to think...probably never been called a carney before...but he pretends to ignore me...

"CARRRRNNNNEEEEE!!" CARRRRNNNNEEEEE!!"

Penalty ends.

Then he gets another one. Same chirping ensues. This goes on all game. I think he was in the box 3 times.

Later on after a melee breaks out in the third (I think the Oil were up by a bunch) and there is a parade of folks to the box, Smid and Gionta are standing by the half circle waiting for the refs to come deliver the penalty news. They're chatting and scanning the crowd for probably hot chicks. Our eyes meet. Gionta looks me square in the eyes and I point to him and mouth the words:

"Hey. You're a carney"

And he bursts out laughing.

G'Oil.

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#71 tom.MTL
October 10 2013, 03:50PM
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Chaz wrote:

....oh wait, I also hate Calgary Fans.....and Vancouver Fans (REALLY hate Vancouver Fans)....and Toronto Fans......

For some reason I'm okay with Winnipeg and Ottawa fans. Not sure why.....

You're ok with them because they're irrelevant

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#72 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 10 2013, 05:42PM
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Oiler63 wrote:

Yak > Seth Jones

Eberle for Jones would be a pretty good HOCKEY trade.

Eberle is my favorite Oiler (got the jersey and everything), but I think I would do that deal. The thought of Nurse/Jones as our first D line makes me tingly in my unmentionables.

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#73 washed up
October 10 2013, 10:27PM
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My guess is MacT gives them this road trip to prove themselves. If they don't come out at .500. I can some changes even if the oil have to overpay.

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#74 madjam
October 10 2013, 10:51PM
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Do you think our Oilers would be playing better than this if we played Kreugers system rather than Eakins system ?

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#75 nick
October 11 2013, 12:35AM
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O.K. is fives games to soon to say Ference is bad bda bda. He has been on the ice for the last 7 goals scored against. That is excluding the open net goal. how J.Schultz plays that much is amazing he has no clue defensively. Very interesting coaching by an AHL coach

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#76 Ari Gold
October 11 2013, 06:27AM
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Our young players simply don't seem to be 'learning'. Coaching a system is one thing but aren't we supposed to be teaching players how to play? Way too many 1on4 rushes yesterday. It's like the Oil stop grooming post-AHL.

On another note, Eakins got his as$ handed to him by Therrien, a savvy NHL coach. The Habs were calm & composed in the 3rd. They clogged up shooting & passing lanes very well. The Oil were happy to take the outside lanes and did little to fight for the middle, hard to earn, ice.

Great, A for effort. D-minus for the result. I want wins, there is no 'good' way to lose.

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#77 vetinari
October 11 2013, 07:08AM
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At some point, player potential has to turn into team results or else it's going to be a long year again...

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#78 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2013, 01:18PM
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If you guys are looking for a laugh today, check this out - it's making its rounds in Winnipeg this morning:

http://teamof18001.blogspot.ca/2013/10/a-guide-for-wild-fans-when-playing-jets.html

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#79 The Soup Fascist
October 10 2013, 01:30PM
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Keg on Legs wrote:

Damn, too late

Relax Kegger, you will have 78 other opportunities for game-day idiocy.

...and hopefully a few playoff games too.

*Waits patiently for diehard "fisters" to defend their obsession.

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#80 Walter Sobchak
October 10 2013, 03:43PM
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Gregor

While I tend to agree with almost everything you said about Yakupov, you can't honestly believe quality of line mates makes no difference.

The difference between Hall or Smyth is massive. The difference between Gagner, RNH or Gordon is also massive.

For Yakupov to shot more, he needs to be in position, but his line mates also need to read and recognize when he is in position, if your not offensive minded then you just not thinking the same game. IMO.

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#81 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 10 2013, 03:52PM
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@Chaz

Why like Winnipeg fans? We can relate to them. In Oil country it's been rough for a long time, but they lost their team. Plus, in no time at all, they've shown they're among the best fans in the league. Passionate, loud, go-into-another-team's-barn-and-drown-them-out, and even the whole True North thing. What's not to like?

Also - we (maybe just me?) like Ottawa because they aren't Calgary, they aren't the centre of the universe, and they're not in our division. Oh yeah, and they're no threat to us.

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#82 washed up
October 10 2013, 04:02PM
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NJ wrote:

Not to rain on your parade because I think Galchenyuk is a talent, however I would bet my last dollar that if Yak was playing with 2 guys with the talent AND effort of Gallagher and Eller, you'd see a different result. I would also suggest that Galchenyuk Gordan and Smyth would yield Yak's current results.

Everyone says that Eakins likes duos ... Who is Yakupov's?

All that being said, JG has it right and Nail needs to be awesome in spite of his linemates. When his effort level reaches a level of consistency that is required for the nhl, he'll be the stud (no pun intended) we all want him to become.

Last: in regards to a trade, in one second I'd send Nail or Eberle to Nashville for Seth Jones. Big stay at home defenseman who's NHL ready and is likely to be a #1 d man just about the time we round into a conference leading competitor in say... 2-3 years. Bold? Absolutely. Bring it on.

Just my $.02...

How dare you suggest that the Oilers should trade something they have in ample supply ( small, skilled, wingers ) for something they desperately need. Don't you know Yak will be a 150 goal per year guy at some point, and Eberle is just off limits. You sir, are a mad man.

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#83 TonyT
October 10 2013, 10:29PM
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I thought the Oil played well tonight, the effort was certainly there, which is at the very least a step in the right direction. I'd like to see them just hammer from the point (like Montreal did) when the Habs clog the lanes instead of trying to pass through the seam. Other than that, more efforts like these should result in more wins than losses in my opinion. One last thing, I love Yak but that 2nd period benching was well deserved, he looked like Alex Ovechkin out there after a coach's corner...

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#84 Serious Gord
October 10 2013, 10:29PM
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Grim game tonight. A better effort than the last game but still weak. Not playing as a team, weak where they are weak and coaching doesn't seem to have an answer - simply not the right mix of players. You have got to think that player morale is low and that if this roadie goes badly that the coaching staff could lose the room.

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#85 Kodiak
October 10 2013, 11:43PM
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Pretty tough when your captain, who isn't an offensively gifted player, gets caught pinching twice. Why the %!+$ he feels the need to make bad pinches instead of playing defense is beyond me. More of a backbreaker than a bad Duby goal.

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#86 John
October 11 2013, 12:04AM
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The players worked hard and it was an exciting game. If they were really sucking, I would've been bored and depressed watching the game (like the first two periods of the previous game), but it was a fun one to watch.

And so much of hockey is up to chance--bouncing pucks, missed calls, someone loses an edge on some soft ice--that I'm not too bothered by this loss. This time the chances didn't work out, but who knows about next game.

Anyway, I enjoyed the game. I'm looking forward to the next one!

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#87 Serious Gord
October 11 2013, 08:33AM
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And regarding Eakins:

If the team is playing as uncohesively as they are now four weeks from now and the record is 4-10ish then it is entirely possible he is fired - along with most of his staff. Barry melrose got canned by Florida only 15 games in.

Clearly coaching isn't the only issue - but is one right now. Compare his lack of success to that of another rookie coach from the ahl - Patrick Roy.

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#88 SnailYakupov
October 10 2013, 02:09PM
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JG: if anything, yak destroys Galchenyuk open ice. #NailedIt

Hopefully his new commercial kickstarts his season.

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#89 Wax Man Riley
October 10 2013, 03:28PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I can't believe Eakins is playing Hemsky on the 3rd line! He has been one of, if not, THE best player so far!

Plus, they need to showcase his talents and get him some minutes to get something for him on the trade market.

....well....another veteran player and asset ruined by the Oilers.

I can't believe this organization is playing Eberle on the 3rd line! This is King Jordan of Eberle we are talking about here. He needs top 6 minutes to live up to his $6M contract. Playing him on the 3rd line is going to ruin his confidence.

...well...another player being used improperly by the Oilers.

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#90 Wax Man Riley
October 10 2013, 03:50PM
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Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe! wrote:

Tough to argue with what you're saying about Linus. Still, I'm gonna try:

1. how many teams took a pass on Marty St Louis before he got a fair chance?

2. Every time I've been able to watch Omark, I've been impressed with his hustle, effort, creativity and puck possession. I don't get to watch the Oil as much as I'd like (stupid real life) so I've missed a lot of the Omark saga, but what I've observed firsthand is in direct opposition to what I hear secondhand.

I'll admit the stats back the 'Not an NHL player' argument, (especially in the preseason) but hey, look at the panic/criticism/excuse making/controversy surrounding Yakupov. Does Yak get the same treatment as Omark? Nope. He's had so much more opportunity than Omark, and nobody (rightfully so) would dream of sending him to OKC when he's slumping. Why doesn't Omark get a chance to find his game over a full season with the team, including PP time. I'm not saying that Omark is the same player as Yak, but Nail is benefitting from more opportunity in a lockout season than Omark has gotten in 5 years.

I think Omark can play, but might never get a legit opportunity. I guess if you want to be an offensive player in Edm, you've got to be drafted first overall or learn your trade at the World Juniors or with another team that has an effective system for helping players get better. The Oil do not develop skill forwards - those guys spin their wheels in the minors and never get better or get a look. Do the players get some of the blame? Of course, but look at the pattern: Rob Schremp, MPS, Omark, Rajala. All had potential, none have achieved it here.

Well, the thing is that Omark has almost a league minimum contract at $600,000. He was placed on waivers so EVERY team in the league could have had his tiny little contract by giving up no assets.

Every team in the league passed on him. Maybe they know something?

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#91 Wax Man Riley
October 10 2013, 04:15PM
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Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe! wrote:

Similarities are striking... From Wikipedia:

"St. Louis earned a spot on the Calgary roster to begin the 1998–99 season and made his NHL debut on October 9, 1998, against the San Jose Sharks. He scored his first goal on October 20 against Dallas Stars' goaltender Roman Turek.[10] He began the season playing with Calgary's top forward, Theoren Fleury, but was quickly demoted to the fourth line, and often sat out of the lineup.[2] He appeared in only 13 games in Calgary, spending the majority of the season in Saint John where he led the AHL squad with 28 goals and 62 points.[10] He began the 1999–2000 season with Saint John, but earned a recall to Calgary after scoring 26 points in 17 games.[2] St. Louis completed his first full NHL season with 3 goals and 18 points in 56 games.[3] Pleased with his progress, general manager Al Coates picked up St. Louis' contract option for the 2000–01 season. However, the organization fired Coates and his staff that summer and the new management team was not interested in retaining his services. The Flames exposed St. Louis to the 2000 NHL Expansion Draft, but after he went unselected, the team bought out his contract and made him an unrestricted free agent.[2]"

Now, to save you the trouble, the next line in the article states that St. Louis had a few free agent offers. Still, it shows the importance of a legit opportunity. In Omark's case, has Omark had enough exposure for other GM's to know what they're passing on?

I get that there's a very strong case against him. The 'every team passed on him, at league minimum (or close?) salary is compelling, but probably not even the strongest anti-Omark argument.

All I'm saying, is that when I've seen Omark play, I thought he was already NHL calibre, with a lot of upside. You, the coaches and 30 GMs disagree with me. I just don't think he's had a fair shot.

I just question who you take out of the lineup to give Omark a shot.

Do you take out Perron? Smyth, who is a much better defensive player, although infinitely slower? Hemsky, Eberle, Yak? Joensuu that can skate, handle the puck AND bang along the boards?

Brown.. and play Omark on the 4th?

There is no room for him on this team, and if Omark is legitimately in your top 6, then your team is probably the Flames.... and even they didn't want him.

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#92 Oiler63
October 10 2013, 05:22PM
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Yak > Seth Jones

Eberle for Jones would be a pretty good HOCKEY trade.

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#93 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 10 2013, 05:28PM
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@Simpsonite

Awesome story, that's gonna be my go-to insult at Oiler games now. Family friendly but still hilarious.

Also, that Thornton quote is priceless. I don't get why people try to take the entertainment value out of the game. I think it was James Duthie that said, when the Habs told Subban and Price to stop doing their triple high five after victories, 'another development in the quest to remove all fun from hockey...'

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#94 Oiler63
October 10 2013, 05:51PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Eberle is my favorite Oiler (got the jersey and everything), but I think I would do that deal. The thought of Nurse/Jones as our first D line makes me tingly in my unmentionables.

Jones, Nurse, Yak, Hall, Nuge... WOW

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#95 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 10 2013, 06:19PM
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Old School G wrote:

I'm on to you Mr. Ballet, you're a big time Oilers fanatic just like the rest of us but have understood the necessity and also the attention that comes along with always being the villain as your picture aptly portrays. Not a bad angle my friend. GO OIL!

Guilty as charged sir. Who says hate isn't alive and thriving right here on Oilersnation.

We can literally put the boots to each other and not even need medical attention.

GO OIL! I don't at all mind facing the wrath if they win.

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#96 The Soup Fascist
October 10 2013, 07:56PM
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No instigator for Prust?

Great hit Gaz!

Edit: Initially, I was not crazy about the Gazdic signing. I was wrong. I was very wrong.

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#97 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
October 10 2013, 08:45PM
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Who says Smytty can't play with the skilled kids?

He makes falling down in front of the net and getting the puck banked off him look easy...

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#98 Mikey
October 10 2013, 09:54PM
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Are Hall and Ebs fighting? Cause they won't pass to each other. And when Hall looked of Ebs, Ebs made a quick line change. Maybe I am seeing things.

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#99 Alsker
October 10 2013, 09:58PM
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That one hurt, lots of effort but no finish. Habs have looked more dangerous all nite. But definitely a better game all round.

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#100 Poolanov
October 10 2013, 10:18PM
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Back when I played hockey ( peewee ), we used to have what was called "A BREAKOUT PLAN" . Do these informalities exist with this team I favor???? Negative Johanssen negative.

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