This is the perfect time to panic!

Jonathan Willis
October 12 2013 10:59PM

Devan Dubnyk has played four games for the Oilers this season. He has four losses and a 0.829 save percentage; he's probably directly cost Edmonton two wins and three points with his poor play.

What can the Oilers do about it?

Option 1: Stay The Course

The argument: Devan Dubnyk has been successful in Edmonton's net for three years now. Throwing that away over a lousy four-game stretch would be crazy. Goalies have bad runs sometimes. It's hard, but the best bet is to just ride this out rather than wasting assets bringing in a guy who isn't likely to be any better than Dubnyk is long-term.

Option 2: Jason LaBarbera

The argument: Sure, Jason LaBarbera didn't look very good in his first game for Edmonton. But he's been a darn good backup for five years now. Putting him in net gives Dubnyk a break, gives LaBarbera a chance to show whether he can handle the job, and costs nothing in terms of assets. The Oilers' play seems to have improved quite a bit; if LaBarbera can be average (and history suggests he can) that should be good enough.

Option 3: Ilya Bryzgalov

The argument: Sure, he didn't work out in Philadelphia, but this is a guy who was a Vezina candidate not that long ago. Signing in the ECHL shows he wants a North American job, and he should have plenty of motivation to prove he can still handle NHL minutes. If he can be anywhere near where he was a few years back, the Oilers will be smiling.

Option 4: The Big Trade

The argument: Edmonton's goaltending sin't good enough. Devan Dubnyk lets in soft goals and can't handle pressure; LaBarbera is a career backup. The team needs wins now, which means bringing in a new starter. Call him James Reimer, or Viktor Fasth or Ryan Miller, or whoever. The cost will be dear - nobody is giving these guys away and Edmonton's in a terrible position - but this team needs wins now and that means making a trade right now.

My Take

 

The decision was made in the summer. Maybe it was the wrong decision, but a) four games isn't enough evidence to overturn it and b) the cost of trying to overturn it is going to be very, very high. I'd be tempted to go with Jason LaBarbera against Washington, to give Dubnyk a game off and see what the backup can do; if LaBarbera plays well he stays in until he doesn't and if he plays poorly Dubnyk gets another shot. The history of both these players says they're a good enough tandem to provide NHL-average goaltending; clearly the Oilers felt at least that was possible when they made the choice this summer and there hasn't been enough evidence to overturn that decision, yet.

That's a hard decision to make; given the pressures on the team this season it's extremely difficult to see the goaltending almost single-handedly losing games. But the alternatives are either unlikely to be a good fit (Bryzgalov) or likely to be cost-prohibitive if there's any other way out. 

But it wouldn't hurt to get a feel for the goaltending market, either.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Renslip
October 13 2013, 08:29AM
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I'm not really sure how many of these comments are trolls, but a few people here really need to get some perspective!

As to Dubnyk, he's not awesome but no goalie is going to win many games in Edmonton until we see a bit of team defence. There are to many players worrying about their next breakout play before they worry about getting possession.

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#102 Slats
October 13 2013, 08:31AM
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Hemsky is currently 96th in league scoring and is -6.

Sure wouldn't want to mess with that mojo.

And to further that logic some more @ 96th just nipping out Kunitz, J. Benn , Perry and Kopitar ....

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#103 Smokey
October 13 2013, 08:33AM
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The more I watch him play the more I'm starting to think that Mark Arcobello is Sam Gagner. They are the same player. Wonder what kind of contract extention he gets.

Also where does Yakupov fit into the lineup now, what about once Gags returns? You cant send Arcobello down with the way he's playing, and Yakupov can't be on the 3rd or 4th lines and be expected to find his game there. He needs more minutes, coach needs to realize that he's very very young, be patient..allow the kid to make mistakes and learn. He's 19 yrs old, high risk high reward with young guys like that.

I suggest Eakins should put good two way players with Yakupov..put Yak on a line with Hall and RNH.

Except Mark can win face-offs and Gagner can score. And 3 inches and 25 pounds.

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#104 Smokey
October 13 2013, 08:38AM
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Renslip wrote:

I'm not really sure how many of these comments are trolls, but a few people here really need to get some perspective!

As to Dubnyk, he's not awesome but no goalie is going to win many games in Edmonton until we see a bit of team defence. There are to many players worrying about their next breakout play before they worry about getting possession.

TO was mostly in check last night. There were a high powered counter offence that played in their own end half the night and still managed 6 goals. 3 of the goals let in were aweful. The Oilers played a good game, Dubby was bad. Defence was ok, not great. But the swiss cheese argument can't be used last night. Devon was just that bad.

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#105 Chaz
October 13 2013, 08:45AM
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So we shouldn't judge DD based On a small sample size? The difference between 8th and 9th at the end of the year is usually a point or two max. Seeing that he's already blown 4 points on his own, I say I'm allowed to judge. He's let in softies his whole career. I don't care what the save % indicates, the guy is not a good goalie. Soft goals destroy confidence which young teams need. DD is a bust. Act now Mac T

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#106 paqtwinn
October 13 2013, 08:56AM
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@Jmang

Do you mean the MacKinnon that was already drafted by the Avs, that Mackinnon?

But seriously, you have a point, we could be a lottery team if this isn't corrected.

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#107 rocket289k
October 13 2013, 09:00AM
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This loss can't be hung on Dubynk tonight. I was at the ACC yesterday.

While Dubynk wasn't "all world" he was "ok" tonight. He was making the first save, controlling rebounds better and handling the puck with more confidence. Of the 6 goals, the Kadri goal was the one he should have had. How Kadri found the upper corner of the net over Dubynk's shoulder short side I'm not sure. It was a hell of a shot but Dubynk's so big he should have been able to close the hole.

However, the Oilers defense was as bad as I've seen it in years. Nick Schultz in particular was a giveaway machine all night long. He handled the puck like it was a grenade all night. The wrap around goal was ALL Schultz. He left Dubynk in no man's land as Dubynk started to fade to the right side of the net ...expecting Schultz to clear the puck up the right side and instead he promptly gave the puck to Van Riemsdyk for an easy wrap around. The OT goal was brutal. Nuge gets knocked down and tripped (penalty by my eye) and the 2nd D is going the wrong way for a 3 on 1 for TO. Awful stuff.

Smid again was backing in too quickly at the blueline, J Schultz was only slightly better than Nick in his own end and continues to make low percentage plays in his own end. Ference was running around too much, Belov was hit and miss - made mistakes but typically took the body to help him recover. Petry was the best of the Oilers D and was a calming influence when he had the puck (hopefully he's turning the corner into a consistent defender).

We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered. I know the Oilers are learning the new "swarm" defense system but more often than not the Oilers D weren't making good use of the time and space that they had and were illustrating very little hockey sense.

Dubynk needs to play better, he's certainly not at the level he was last year but to give him a 1 is just doesn't seem accurate. Maybe it looked different on TV. But to a person in our section (there happened to be 8 random Oiler fans sitting near me) everyone thought Dubynk played OK and we all complained about the Kadri goal. While Dubynk hasn't been great this season there' no way we can pin this loss on him.

Sidebar - David Perron was catastrophically awful. If Eakins needs to find someone to sit the next game - he's my man. Two absolutely lazy penalties and weak back checking all night long. Giving him a 3 is being generous. Worst Oilers forward by a long shot.

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#108 Rod from Viking
October 13 2013, 09:09AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Small sample sizes for Dubnyk? How many 4 goal games do people need to see before they realize that Dubnyk is not the starting goalie we've been looking for? Dubnyk has proven over and over that he is just mentally unstable in net, like how he let in a quick goal right after another one last year. At least then he put up decent numbers. The Oilers outplayed the Leafs so hard, and yet Dubnyk atill managed to find a way to make this team lose. This is their year, and Dubnyk just isn't up to the challenge.

He apparently cannot handle the pressure of being a #1 period,it is so different than being a backup. Devan played ok his first pre-season game with no pressure but the last preseason in OKC and the 4 starts this year have shown he isn't mentally tough enough. As far as management goes they will be trying very hard to do something and soon. On another note why are both defence men in the same corner on a couple of goals last night? Nick Schultz has also been terrible, time to give him a night off.

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#109 Dave
October 13 2013, 09:10AM
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Maybe call up Ryan Jones . Every bit helps.

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#110 Jofa
October 13 2013, 09:10AM
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"The decision was made in the summer" ... Was it?

By all accounts, MacT was trying to upgrade goaltending with guys like Schneider or Bernier. If anything, this would indicate the "decision" made this summer was that Dubnyk was not MacTavish's preferred starter and that the team needs to upgrade at this position. The fact that Dubnyk is still here is less about a decision being made that the organization believes he's their #1 guy and more a result of upgrade attempts via trade or signing being unsuccessful to date.

Knowing that MacT saw goaltending as a weakness and was looking to upgrade at the position, I suspect he is going to be actively looking for a deal in order to try to keep his first season at the helm from derailing. The asking price will be dear, but so too is having a team (and fan base) lose confidence in its goaltending. Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date. Yes it's early to draw conclusions, but this is also supposed to be the year this franchise takes a big step forward, and a quick (yes BOLD) step may be needed before the oil dig themselves into too big of a hole.

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#111 big zeek
October 13 2013, 09:15AM
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The point of all of this, the oilers did not get the saves when they needed them. The kadri goalshouldnt of happened period. Teams capitalize on mistakes and its the goalies job to take away those chances half the time! Dubnyk did it none of the time.

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#112 derek
October 13 2013, 09:23AM
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Even below average goalies steal games, even the flames joey McDonald @ .898 sv pct

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#113 DoubleJ
October 13 2013, 09:24AM
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rocket289k wrote:

This loss can't be hung on Dubynk tonight. I was at the ACC yesterday.

While Dubynk wasn't "all world" he was "ok" tonight. He was making the first save, controlling rebounds better and handling the puck with more confidence. Of the 6 goals, the Kadri goal was the one he should have had. How Kadri found the upper corner of the net over Dubynk's shoulder short side I'm not sure. It was a hell of a shot but Dubynk's so big he should have been able to close the hole.

However, the Oilers defense was as bad as I've seen it in years. Nick Schultz in particular was a giveaway machine all night long. He handled the puck like it was a grenade all night. The wrap around goal was ALL Schultz. He left Dubynk in no man's land as Dubynk started to fade to the right side of the net ...expecting Schultz to clear the puck up the right side and instead he promptly gave the puck to Van Riemsdyk for an easy wrap around. The OT goal was brutal. Nuge gets knocked down and tripped (penalty by my eye) and the 2nd D is going the wrong way for a 3 on 1 for TO. Awful stuff.

Smid again was backing in too quickly at the blueline, J Schultz was only slightly better than Nick in his own end and continues to make low percentage plays in his own end. Ference was running around too much, Belov was hit and miss - made mistakes but typically took the body to help him recover. Petry was the best of the Oilers D and was a calming influence when he had the puck (hopefully he's turning the corner into a consistent defender).

We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered. I know the Oilers are learning the new "swarm" defense system but more often than not the Oilers D weren't making good use of the time and space that they had and were illustrating very little hockey sense.

Dubynk needs to play better, he's certainly not at the level he was last year but to give him a 1 is just doesn't seem accurate. Maybe it looked different on TV. But to a person in our section (there happened to be 8 random Oiler fans sitting near me) everyone thought Dubynk played OK and we all complained about the Kadri goal. While Dubynk hasn't been great this season there' no way we can pin this loss on him.

Sidebar - David Perron was catastrophically awful. If Eakins needs to find someone to sit the next game - he's my man. Two absolutely lazy penalties and weak back checking all night long. Giving him a 3 is being generous. Worst Oilers forward by a long shot.

Seriously? I saw three maybe four very routine saves go through Dubnyk. It looks like he actually tries to get out of the way on some of the goals.

I think Bernier is the weaker goalie out of the two. But Bernier actually had to make some saves to keep their team in it. Dubnyk created scoring chances for Toronto.

I think Dubnyk was going to push himself into the top ten for goalies this year. I really did, I'm not sure if it's the new equipment. Maybe the goalie coach.

I noticed Dubnyk was very deep in his net and so was Labarbera. Is that because of the goalie coach? Maybe.

I'm all for grabbing Bryz for league min. and giving him a try. Dubnyk has lost me in these last four games. He's been brutal.

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#114 paqtwinn
October 13 2013, 09:26AM
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Seeing lots of "sample size" excuses....Dubnyk has let in the bad goal for his whole career. His "whole career" is a pretty decent sample size.

Seeing lots of "hung out to dry" excuses....No one expects him to stop the 3 on 1 but the Kadri goal and Lupuls 2nd are plays you can pick out of dozens of his starts.

Time to move onwards and upwards with our goaltending needs.

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#115 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 09:28AM
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Jofa wrote:

"The decision was made in the summer" ... Was it?

By all accounts, MacT was trying to upgrade goaltending with guys like Schneider or Bernier. If anything, this would indicate the "decision" made this summer was that Dubnyk was not MacTavish's preferred starter and that the team needs to upgrade at this position. The fact that Dubnyk is still here is less about a decision being made that the organization believes he's their #1 guy and more a result of upgrade attempts via trade or signing being unsuccessful to date.

Knowing that MacT saw goaltending as a weakness and was looking to upgrade at the position, I suspect he is going to be actively looking for a deal in order to try to keep his first season at the helm from derailing. The asking price will be dear, but so too is having a team (and fan base) lose confidence in its goaltending. Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date. Yes it's early to draw conclusions, but this is also supposed to be the year this franchise takes a big step forward, and a quick (yes BOLD) step may be needed before the oil dig themselves into too big of a hole.

"Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date."

He has convinced many of us he is NOT the guy. Some of us knew a long time ago.

What really matters is Dubnyk convincing the "braintrust", From the looks of their faces after last game it appears to be mission accomplished.Now it is only a matter of finding the right deal without to much of an overpay.

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#116 Jofa
October 13 2013, 09:33AM
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@rocket289k

"We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered."

What a bizarre statement. Seriously? Even if you take your last example, Roloson in his prime, this was a clutch guy who could hold the team in games they had no business winning. The game against Toronto was a very winnable game, but Dubnyk wasn't able to help them hold a lead or make the clutch save.

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#117 jasongb
October 13 2013, 09:35AM
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HOLD HOLD HOLD, don't pull a trade trigger or sign that idiot Bryzgalov. I don't care that he had a good record once, we don't need to sign that fool. Too disruptive to the room and will no work and will be a bad signing. Look at Mac T's additions. they are all good additions. I think the first 20 games are going to be ugly, no matter how sick of paying to watch a loosing team, it will take time. Mac T and Eakins are turning this team to a winner, but it is going to take time. That being said, I was not speaking with a PG rating after that Leafs game.

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#118 Oilcruzer
October 13 2013, 09:46AM
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If you want the team to confidently turn up the offense, they need to know their goalie will make the important saves.

Many here have said they would rather watch the Oil lose 6-5 while flying high. None wants that loss to be a result of continual substandard play by the goaltender.

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#119 Ron Burgundy
October 13 2013, 09:53AM
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Meanwhile:

16-5, 1.98, 0.934

60-70, 2.84, .908

I'm not an NHL scout, but the 2nd set suggests guaranteed mediocrity, vs. some very intriguing potential in the first set.

The first set is Anton Khudobin's career numbers. The second set is Jason Labarbera's career statline. Khudobin was signed for $800,000, 200k less than Labarbera, and was signed after Labarbera meaning he was available at the time.

I thought MacT did all he could in the summer except in respect of the nets, where Khudobin, Thomas Greiss, Tim Thomas and other quality talent was available. Instead, we got Dubnyk's workout buddy, who I'm sure is a very nice guy but was not and is not the answer. Now we the fans get yet another year of head-exploding frustration...

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#120 Walter Sobchak
October 13 2013, 09:59AM
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This is the lame argument Rob Brown had on his after game program.

That starting goalies would cost you dear! A caller suggests a first round pick could secure a starting goalie, Brown being Brown laughed that comment off.

Meanwhile, the Oilers almost had Schneider had Gillis not screwed the Oilers one more time and settled for NJD 9th overall instead of the Oilers 7th and Paajarvi.

Bernier was even less IIRC

Ryan Millar would be, could be had for the Oilers 1st and Dubnyk.

Millar for a sign and trade, Millar is only two hours to his lovely wife in LA.

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#121 Quicksilver ballet
October 13 2013, 10:01AM
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Wow, good to see so many newcomers on the reality band wagon.

More than a few here have been saying this about Dubnyk for a couple years already. Yesterdays troll has become todays realist.

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#122 The Soup Fascist
October 13 2013, 10:05AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Small sample sizes for Dubnyk? How many 4 goal games do people need to see before they realize that Dubnyk is not the starting goalie we've been looking for? Dubnyk has proven over and over that he is just mentally unstable in net, like how he let in a quick goal right after another one last year. At least then he put up decent numbers. The Oilers outplayed the Leafs so hard, and yet Dubnyk atill managed to find a way to make this team lose. This is their year, and Dubnyk just isn't up to the challenge.

Four goal games?

If games 1 and 5 are " four goal games" the Oil have a winning record.

Man, we could use a four goal game right now.

Message to Dubey: Feel free to mix in a save every once in awhile!

I know it is horse crap to kick someone when they are down, but this is tough to watch. A couple more games like this and the Capital Power commercials where Dubey is the "new guy" on site might become reality TV.

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#123 Rotten Ron
October 13 2013, 10:07AM
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Jw's "sample size" is hilarious considering his main argument is based on stats from a 48 game season. Usual cult of hockey take the unpopular view we're smarter than everyone and have numbers to prove it bs.

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#124 Czar
October 13 2013, 10:09AM
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Seeing lots of "sample size" excuses....Dubnyk has let in the bad goal for his whole career. His "whole career" is a pretty decent sample size.

Seeing lots of "hung out to dry" excuses....No one expects him to stop the 3 on 1 but the Kadri goal and Lupuls 2nd are plays you can pick out of dozens of his starts.

Time to move onwards and upwards with our goaltending needs.

I watched the kid do the same thing in Kamloops, lets in a soft goal most nights and drops to his knees quicker than DSF in a mens locker room.

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#125 goalieczar
October 13 2013, 10:17AM
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Dubnyk has done the same thing every year. When the games matter early in the year and the pressure is on, he is terrible. Two years ago he couldn't win a game for the first half of the season. When the Oilers were basically mathematically eliminated was when he padded his save percentage.

The answer is simple. Petr Mrazek in Detroit. He is a future superstar, we can probably get him for less than a first,and he is the same age as the rest of our kids.

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#126 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 10:23AM
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Czar wrote:

I watched the kid do the same thing in Kamloops, lets in a soft goal most nights and drops to his knees quicker than DSF in a mens locker room.

Can we keep the juvenile personal remarks out of here?

Some of us are more adult, Thanks.

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#127 Hammers
October 13 2013, 10:24AM
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Totally agree on your statements as this is on more than goalkeeping . Swarm is costing goals nearly as much as DD . McT can't panic with trades we will loose on a goalie . I would sooner trade for another upgrade on "D" . Belov coming along as I expected . J Schultz making as many mistakes as DD but not even talked about so he should be on 3rd pairing until loosing by a couple then let him run . Keep Petry , Ference , Belov , J. Schultz and try to upgrade either N. Schultz , Smid or both and that kind of trade may be easier to make .

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#128 Ron Burgundy
October 13 2013, 10:31AM
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goalieczar wrote:

Dubnyk has done the same thing every year. When the games matter early in the year and the pressure is on, he is terrible. Two years ago he couldn't win a game for the first half of the season. When the Oilers were basically mathematically eliminated was when he padded his save percentage.

The answer is simple. Petr Mrazek in Detroit. He is a future superstar, we can probably get him for less than a first,and he is the same age as the rest of our kids.

I like this - would be nice to get Brendan Smith as well. There's got to be some combo of prospects, picks and players that could make this happen.

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#129 Czar
October 13 2013, 10:31AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Can we keep the juvenile personal remarks out of here?

Some of us are more adult, Thanks.

Pot meet Mr Kettle. Good Grief

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#130 TKB2677
October 13 2013, 10:39AM
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JW is right. Goalies have bad stretches all the time. The problem is when. It's goalies have these " bad stretches" they put up numbers if of 3+ goals against and save percentages of just below .900.

Dubnyk's numbers are 5.43 goals against and .829 save percentage. Those aren't even AHL numbers. If Dubnyk didn't have a contract or was on a 2 way, he wouldn't be on the oilers roster and I have a hard time believing he'd even be playing in North America.

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#131 Will
October 13 2013, 10:42AM
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I don't understand the argument that our defense has been terrible this year. We've had 147 shots for and 150 against meaning we're almost dead even on shots against the teams we've played. So if our defense is "bad" that means so is Vancouver, Winnipeg, Montreal, Toronto, and NJ. Where the difference is of those nearly identical shot totals, Dubnyk and Labarbra have let in 25 goals as oppose to the other teams' 14. Since 2 have been empty net, that is nine extra goals our tenders have let in over the opposition in five games. NINE! Since I could count one or two Labarbra should have had, that means in four games, Dubnyk has let in roughly seven goals that should not have gone in. That's nearly two soft goals a game and it's killing us.

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#132 Will
October 13 2013, 10:44AM
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Second, I don't think it much matters what fans think the Oilers should do, I think it matter what Mac T will do. Being how he wasn't sold on Dubnyk in the first place, tried to land Schnider already, and is 'impatient', I really don't see him letting this go on. Especially not when you can roll the dice on Bryz for no risk. What I'm saying is if we needed to lose Labarbra to waivers to bring in Bryz, we aren't doing any worse.

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#133 15w40
October 13 2013, 10:47AM
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Some fans are waaayyy too invested.

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-jobs-other-EDMONTON-OILERS-REQUIRE-STARTING-GOALTENDER-W0QQAdIdZ532724146

I did chuckle though......

I can see how playing out of a fishbowl would have its benefits.

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#134 Rama Lama
October 13 2013, 10:49AM
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Dubby has been sheltered in the past with defensive systems that mostly saw shots being taken from outside the danderous areas of the ice. Fast forward and now we have a new system under the uber intelligent Dallas Eakins called the SWARM.

Under this new system of play we can expect more of what we saw when Lupul was left all alone in the slot. Now that all players are instructed to collapse around the puck we will see players left all alone in the slot facing Dubby. Dubby will do what Dubby does immediately fall down and start flopping around like a wounded fish.

I have not seen any positive movement around coaching like we were all told we could expect. In stead all the star players that we have accumulated look lost out there, running into each other, not shooting the puck, following the puck around like a bunch of five year olds.

Gonna be a long season.

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#135 rob
October 13 2013, 10:56AM
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Mact needs to pull a trade for a goalie STAT!our defence and that is not great but this team needs someone to make a big stop,if the players knew they could rely on there goalie once in awhile they would open up more.I know this team is not perfect but a goalie would help huge.we sucked in 06 till they got roalie and look what happened(not saying it would happen again)but we need this addressed now.Mact t please do something bold!

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#136 rocket289k
October 13 2013, 11:09AM
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Jofa wrote:

"We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered."

What a bizarre statement. Seriously? Even if you take your last example, Roloson in his prime, this was a clutch guy who could hold the team in games they had no business winning. The game against Toronto was a very winnable game, but Dubnyk wasn't able to help them hold a lead or make the clutch save.

The point is our defense last night wasn't even AHL quality last night.

The list of goaltenders I provided all had one benefit Dubynk did not have last night - a set of defensemen in front of them that played at the NHL level.

Our D was brutal last night - especially away from the play where the TV cameras weren't watching. I was at the ACC last night not watching on TV.

Was Dubynk blameless, of course not. But I don't care who we had in the net last night when you give the opposition that many turnovers and gift goals you're in tough. Dubynk has been subpar but he's not the #1 reason we lost.

We need better goaltending - that's a fact. But the goathorns are squarely on the boneheaded play of the D last night.

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#137 war
October 13 2013, 11:11AM
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use a prospect and a pick to get a goalie,if we had a great golie this team would be 3and 2!it would help lots and other stuff would works it self out

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#138 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 11:14AM
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Czar wrote:

Pot meet Mr Kettle. Good Grief

Please by all means show me the post where I suggested someone drop to their knees in a men's locker room.

Having a different viewpoint than someone else is what the comment section is all about.

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#139 chadster
October 13 2013, 11:18AM
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Get rid of Dubnyk, stay the course and ruin the confidence of a young developing team...let them languish and become steeped in a never ending losing atmosphere??!!! That they can't take chances because they KNOW that they will be let down again and again. Yep lets just stay the course...BS!

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#140 rocket289k
October 13 2013, 11:20AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Dubby has been sheltered in the past with defensive systems that mostly saw shots being taken from outside the danderous areas of the ice. Fast forward and now we have a new system under the uber intelligent Dallas Eakins called the SWARM.

Under this new system of play we can expect more of what we saw when Lupul was left all alone in the slot. Now that all players are instructed to collapse around the puck we will see players left all alone in the slot facing Dubby. Dubby will do what Dubby does immediately fall down and start flopping around like a wounded fish.

I have not seen any positive movement around coaching like we were all told we could expect. In stead all the star players that we have accumulated look lost out there, running into each other, not shooting the puck, following the puck around like a bunch of five year olds.

Gonna be a long season.

This quote from Boyd Gordon in John McKinnon's article strike a chord.

"Since he has been about “10 years old,” Gordon has been more accustomed to the traditional plan in which one defenceman guards the front of the net, while his partner and the centre do the puck retrieval chores along the wall and in the corner.

Habits being habits, do the Oilers lapse back to that approach in the heat of battle?

“Yeah, I think everyone has,” Gordon said. “I know I have.”

That may help explain some of the running around but it doesn't explain our D coughing up the puck on a regular basis last night.

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#141 morgie
October 13 2013, 11:28AM
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Who's errors have cost the Oilers more goals against this season, Devan Dubnyk or Taylor Hall? Watch the 5th Leafs goal again...who gives the puck away to set up the shot by Lupul? Hall tries a between the legs, no look pass to the middle of the ice with a 1 goal lead in the last 40 seconds of a hockey game.

I'd say Dubnyk's errors have cost the oilers more this season than Hall, but it's close LOL

At least Hall does positive things, Dubnyk has made some big saves but more bad than good, not sure if I can say the same about Hall

As error prone as Hall has been, I think good outweighs the bad, besides he was playing out of position, what's Dubbie's excuse, new equipment? Weak!

As for the play you mention, let's be honest, it was hardly a no look pass up the middle, it was up the boards, and I suspect he was trying to get it out? but it was not up the middle, that would be really horrendous and something rather obvious we'd be talking about. A good play? probably not, but regardless, dubnyk has to be able to stop that weak shot

at 3:41 is the play you speak of

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020064-X-h&navid=DL|EDM|home

that's like saying Kadri had a great goal, great aim, but it was a terrible goal, no more excuses for Dubbie

Run with Labarabrra till he loses or looks really poor, otherwise ride him till we give Dubs another shot at goal

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#142 morgie
October 13 2013, 11:36AM
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chuckcouples wrote:

Who's errors have cost the Oilers more goals against this season, Devan Dubnyk or Taylor Hall? Watch the 5th Leafs goal again...who gives the puck away to set up the shot by Lupul? Hall tries a between the legs, no look pass to the middle of the ice with a 1 goal lead in the last 40 seconds of a hockey game.

I'd say Dubnyk's errors have cost the oilers more this season than Hall, but it's close LOL

At least Hall does positive things, Dubnyk has made some big saves but more bad than good, not sure if I can say the same about Hall

As error prone as Hall has been, I think good outweighs the bad, besides he was playing out of position, what's Dubbie's excuse, new equipment? Weak!

As for the play you mention, let's be honest, it was hardly a no look pass up the middle, it was up the boards, and I suspect he was trying to get it out? but it was not up the middle, that would be really horrendous and something rather obvious we'd be talking about. A good play? probably not, but regardless, dubnyk has to be able to stop that weak shot

at 3:41 is the play you speak of

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020064-X-h&navid=DL|EDM|home

that's like saying Kadri had a great goal, great aim, but it was a terrible goal, no more excuses for Dubbie

Run with Labarabrra till he loses or looks really poor, otherwise ride him till we give Dubs another shot at goal

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#143 Czar
October 13 2013, 11:53AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Please by all means show me the post where I suggested someone drop to their knees in a men's locker room.

Having a different viewpoint than someone else is what the comment section is all about.

Differing viewpoints all the way! I consider someone who cherry picks stats,pats his own back that 1 in 50 times he's right, jumps on every bandwagon[hello Panthers, Wild and now the Stars]and runs and hides when he's proven wrong a sock cucker. DSF,aka Fluffy,is the only poster on here I've ever directed that kind of criticism towards. Call him a troll or whatever you like but he is not an Oiler fan and deserves everything he gets.

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#144 Retsinnab5
October 13 2013, 11:55AM
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Call up Bachman let three goalies battle it out.

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#145 Cheezy
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Dud-nyk!!!

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#146 Mikey
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DoubleJ wrote:

Seriously? I saw three maybe four very routine saves go through Dubnyk. It looks like he actually tries to get out of the way on some of the goals.

I think Bernier is the weaker goalie out of the two. But Bernier actually had to make some saves to keep their team in it. Dubnyk created scoring chances for Toronto.

I think Dubnyk was going to push himself into the top ten for goalies this year. I really did, I'm not sure if it's the new equipment. Maybe the goalie coach.

I noticed Dubnyk was very deep in his net and so was Labarbera. Is that because of the goalie coach? Maybe.

I'm all for grabbing Bryz for league min. and giving him a try. Dubnyk has lost me in these last four games. He's been brutal.

I feel exactly the same as you. I talked Dubby up so much this summer.

Why was he ducking down on Kadri goal. Why did he barley lift his leg on the game winner, when all that did was protect his body (not cover open net) and leave a wide open five hole. Why was his glove resting on his pad when he slid over for the Lupul goal, it should have already be in the air covering the top corner. It's pathetic. I'm actually disgusted by his play.

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#147 vetinari
October 13 2013, 12:12PM
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Lay off Dubnyk... He's our ticket to another #1 draft pick! We're still collecting those, aren't we?

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#148 andrewmk20
October 13 2013, 12:36PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I don't think the Oilers should make a deal either. They aren't a cup contender this year and selling important assets seems wasteful. But with some fairly good goaltenders being ufa's this summer who do you think the Oilers should target if possible? Jonas Hiller, Henrik Lundqvist, and Jaroslav Halak are all ufas. St Louis has Jake Allen and Brian Elliott and emerging cap issues, New York is going to be have to be careful because they'll have cap space but they also have to resign a lot of position players for next year. Anaheim is going to be interesting because I like Hiller but it seems if Fasth struggles this year it will be very unlikely they let Hiller go to free agency.

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#149 TDSM31
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If Smytty and Yak have already had nights in the press box for poor play, why the hell is Dubnyk still dressing, let alone starting?? Bring up Bachman and start LaBarbera next game while Dubby thinks about it in the press box. Time for some tough love.

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#150 chadster
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no need to trade anyone, Brez would be a minimal cost for a tryout, any shenanegans, demote him.

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