This is the perfect time to panic!

Jonathan Willis
October 12 2013 10:59PM

Devan Dubnyk has played four games for the Oilers this season. He has four losses and a 0.829 save percentage; he's probably directly cost Edmonton two wins and three points with his poor play.

What can the Oilers do about it?

Option 1: Stay The Course

The argument: Devan Dubnyk has been successful in Edmonton's net for three years now. Throwing that away over a lousy four-game stretch would be crazy. Goalies have bad runs sometimes. It's hard, but the best bet is to just ride this out rather than wasting assets bringing in a guy who isn't likely to be any better than Dubnyk is long-term.

Option 2: Jason LaBarbera

The argument: Sure, Jason LaBarbera didn't look very good in his first game for Edmonton. But he's been a darn good backup for five years now. Putting him in net gives Dubnyk a break, gives LaBarbera a chance to show whether he can handle the job, and costs nothing in terms of assets. The Oilers' play seems to have improved quite a bit; if LaBarbera can be average (and history suggests he can) that should be good enough.

Option 3: Ilya Bryzgalov

The argument: Sure, he didn't work out in Philadelphia, but this is a guy who was a Vezina candidate not that long ago. Signing in the ECHL shows he wants a North American job, and he should have plenty of motivation to prove he can still handle NHL minutes. If he can be anywhere near where he was a few years back, the Oilers will be smiling.

Option 4: The Big Trade

The argument: Edmonton's goaltending sin't good enough. Devan Dubnyk lets in soft goals and can't handle pressure; LaBarbera is a career backup. The team needs wins now, which means bringing in a new starter. Call him James Reimer, or Viktor Fasth or Ryan Miller, or whoever. The cost will be dear - nobody is giving these guys away and Edmonton's in a terrible position - but this team needs wins now and that means making a trade right now.

My Take

 

The decision was made in the summer. Maybe it was the wrong decision, but a) four games isn't enough evidence to overturn it and b) the cost of trying to overturn it is going to be very, very high. I'd be tempted to go with Jason LaBarbera against Washington, to give Dubnyk a game off and see what the backup can do; if LaBarbera plays well he stays in until he doesn't and if he plays poorly Dubnyk gets another shot. The history of both these players says they're a good enough tandem to provide NHL-average goaltending; clearly the Oilers felt at least that was possible when they made the choice this summer and there hasn't been enough evidence to overturn that decision, yet.

That's a hard decision to make; given the pressures on the team this season it's extremely difficult to see the goaltending almost single-handedly losing games. But the alternatives are either unlikely to be a good fit (Bryzgalov) or likely to be cost-prohibitive if there's any other way out. 

But it wouldn't hurt to get a feel for the goaltending market, either.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Alsker
October 13 2013, 12:01AM
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Jmang wrote:

We cant afford to risk our first. The way this is going that clould be a nathan makinnon

Really, that type of logic is what causes infabuilds. Eventually you must make the move that gets you over the hump, now is that time!!!!! Get the goalie we need and the pick wont be top 10 let alone top 5.

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#52 Sidney Frosby
October 13 2013, 12:26AM
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Butters wrote:

Dubnyk will NOT be an 0.829 goaltender for the remainder of the year. The Oilers have lost to one divisional opponent. With average goaltending they would have curb stomped the Leafs. Not time to panic yet.

He won't be a 0.829 goaltender.... Even if he gets to 0.915... He started horribly and as last year....will be letting in the soft goal in the third period every other night....

Imagine we had a goalie like Cujo or Kipper,... A goalie who makes saves... Especially when needed.

Anyone got Jeff deluariies number?

By the time " the boys on the bus" figure this one out ( game 20ish I am guessing) we'll be 6-11-3 with nearly 100 goals against.

I am betting Washington ( and Grabovski for that matter) get at least 4 against us ,.. Meaning we'll have to score 5 to win

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#53 kawi460
October 13 2013, 12:32AM
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For Dubnyk's sake I hope he shuts the door. I always though the hardest job was to be a goalie playing poor in a hockey market.

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#54 Big Cap
October 13 2013, 02:36AM
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My new favorite buzz word: SAMPLE SIZE

"It’s to early to judge Dubnyk; as his SAMPLE SIZE has only been 4 games this year"

My question is, when can we make a judgment? We have invested ALOT of time and energy with this guy. There is NO way we need to wait until mid season or beyond to make a conclusion as we sit through another disastrous season.

The fact is, he's been average at best his entire Oiler career. We desperately need an upgrade. Dunnyk will NEVER lead us to the promise land.

WE MUST MOVE ON!!!!!!

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#55 Mr. Calm
October 13 2013, 02:46AM
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Oiler fans are a funny bunch. Always comparing current players to players from the golden years, and longing to see that offensive flair, but unwilling to accept that offensive flair has a price. This team is offensive. it is built to attack. I think Dubnyk needs to have a little chat with Fuhr, at least fuhr can tell him to relax and just stop the puck as often as he can and expect to be hung out to dry alot. Dubnyk just needs to learn to make the one big save each game. Thats all bernier did tonight. And he let in 5.

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#56 rocket289k
October 13 2013, 11:09AM
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Jofa wrote:

"We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered."

What a bizarre statement. Seriously? Even if you take your last example, Roloson in his prime, this was a clutch guy who could hold the team in games they had no business winning. The game against Toronto was a very winnable game, but Dubnyk wasn't able to help them hold a lead or make the clutch save.

The point is our defense last night wasn't even AHL quality last night.

The list of goaltenders I provided all had one benefit Dubynk did not have last night - a set of defensemen in front of them that played at the NHL level.

Our D was brutal last night - especially away from the play where the TV cameras weren't watching. I was at the ACC last night not watching on TV.

Was Dubynk blameless, of course not. But I don't care who we had in the net last night when you give the opposition that many turnovers and gift goals you're in tough. Dubynk has been subpar but he's not the #1 reason we lost.

We need better goaltending - that's a fact. But the goathorns are squarely on the boneheaded play of the D last night.

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#57 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 11:14AM
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Czar wrote:

Pot meet Mr Kettle. Good Grief

Please by all means show me the post where I suggested someone drop to their knees in a men's locker room.

Having a different viewpoint than someone else is what the comment section is all about.

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#58 mlcsellil
October 12 2013, 11:40PM
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The jury that was out on Dubnyk has returned. He is not the goalie we need. The panic button is pushed. The coach looked disgusted at the soft goals that went in. The GM looked the same and I think most of the fans are concerned about the goaltending or lack thereof. I know something drastic needs to happen, but there is no way I want to trade one of our valuable players for a legit goalie, and there is no way I want the Oil to be picking early in the draft again. Hopefully DD can find his confidence again and soon.

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#59 Muji
October 13 2013, 12:29AM
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I would be interested in knowing what SV% Dubnyk needs for the remainder of the season to finish the season at league average. "It's only 4 games", but he's dug himself quite a hole...

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#60 Sloppy Joe
October 13 2013, 12:36AM
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I feel for you JW. This thread went 'full retard' pretty quickly.

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#61 beloch
October 13 2013, 01:49AM
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I'm sure some Oilers fans will recall (probably with glee) Kiprusoff's implosion last season. Kipper went from a 0.921 sv% one season to... 0.882. Maybe he just didn't feel like playing in his last season. Maybe he was playing injured (before actually admitting it and going on IR). Maybe all that vodka finally caught up with him. Who knows? Bottom line, even great goalies occasionally make like a lemming.

Is Dubnyk playing injured? Does he have problems at home? Did somebody steel his lucky rabbit's foot? His binky? Who knows. Dubnyk was very good last season. Goalies, even great ones, are rarely consistent from season to season. Some regression was probable, but not this much. He will eventually sort himself out. However, if a goalie is repeatedly falling on his face, that's why you have a competent backup goalie ready to take a few games (unless you're the Flames).

Hello Barbie, let's go party! Throw LaBarbera in and give him a few games to sink or swim. If he swims, great. If he sinks and it's clear Dubnyk is still a steaming mess, you either start calling up rookies from the farm or acquire anybody you can. If you're the Flames, you ignore any hot AHL goalies in your system and try to find the most thoroughly mediocre guy you can, and you stick to him like glue, even the following season after you've picked up a couple guys your scouts thought might be an upgrade. Regardless, the praying should probably commence now.

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#62 flyricky
October 13 2013, 04:29AM
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@Sidney Frosby

How do you start Dubnyk after the Labarbera victory not once but twice? Sick of hearing about Dubnyks miracle year last year where the team missed the playoffs in a 48 game schedule. Dubnyk sucks PERIOD. Someone in the AHL must be better than this staff. Package him to Buffalo with our first next year and a prospect for Myers and Miller.

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#63 oilers2k10
October 13 2013, 06:54AM
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The more I watch him play the more I'm starting to think that Mark Arcobello is Sam Gagner. They are the same player. Wonder what kind of contract extention he gets.

Also where does Yakupov fit into the lineup now, what about once Gags returns? You cant send Arcobello down with the way he's playing, and Yakupov can't be on the 3rd or 4th lines and be expected to find his game there. He needs more minutes, coach needs to realize that he's very very young, be patient..allow the kid to make mistakes and learn. He's 19 yrs old, high risk high reward with young guys like that.

I suggest Eakins should put good two way players with Yakupov..put Yak on a line with Hall and RNH.

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#64 Slats
October 13 2013, 08:31AM
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DSF wrote:

Hemsky is currently 96th in league scoring and is -6.

Sure wouldn't want to mess with that mojo.

And to further that logic some more @ 96th just nipping out Kunitz, J. Benn , Perry and Kopitar ....

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#65 Chaz
October 13 2013, 08:45AM
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So we shouldn't judge DD based On a small sample size? The difference between 8th and 9th at the end of the year is usually a point or two max. Seeing that he's already blown 4 points on his own, I say I'm allowed to judge. He's let in softies his whole career. I don't care what the save % indicates, the guy is not a good goalie. Soft goals destroy confidence which young teams need. DD is a bust. Act now Mac T

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#66 DoubleJ
October 13 2013, 09:24AM
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rocket289k wrote:

This loss can't be hung on Dubynk tonight. I was at the ACC yesterday.

While Dubynk wasn't "all world" he was "ok" tonight. He was making the first save, controlling rebounds better and handling the puck with more confidence. Of the 6 goals, the Kadri goal was the one he should have had. How Kadri found the upper corner of the net over Dubynk's shoulder short side I'm not sure. It was a hell of a shot but Dubynk's so big he should have been able to close the hole.

However, the Oilers defense was as bad as I've seen it in years. Nick Schultz in particular was a giveaway machine all night long. He handled the puck like it was a grenade all night. The wrap around goal was ALL Schultz. He left Dubynk in no man's land as Dubynk started to fade to the right side of the net ...expecting Schultz to clear the puck up the right side and instead he promptly gave the puck to Van Riemsdyk for an easy wrap around. The OT goal was brutal. Nuge gets knocked down and tripped (penalty by my eye) and the 2nd D is going the wrong way for a 3 on 1 for TO. Awful stuff.

Smid again was backing in too quickly at the blueline, J Schultz was only slightly better than Nick in his own end and continues to make low percentage plays in his own end. Ference was running around too much, Belov was hit and miss - made mistakes but typically took the body to help him recover. Petry was the best of the Oilers D and was a calming influence when he had the puck (hopefully he's turning the corner into a consistent defender).

We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered. I know the Oilers are learning the new "swarm" defense system but more often than not the Oilers D weren't making good use of the time and space that they had and were illustrating very little hockey sense.

Dubynk needs to play better, he's certainly not at the level he was last year but to give him a 1 is just doesn't seem accurate. Maybe it looked different on TV. But to a person in our section (there happened to be 8 random Oiler fans sitting near me) everyone thought Dubynk played OK and we all complained about the Kadri goal. While Dubynk hasn't been great this season there' no way we can pin this loss on him.

Sidebar - David Perron was catastrophically awful. If Eakins needs to find someone to sit the next game - he's my man. Two absolutely lazy penalties and weak back checking all night long. Giving him a 3 is being generous. Worst Oilers forward by a long shot.

Seriously? I saw three maybe four very routine saves go through Dubnyk. It looks like he actually tries to get out of the way on some of the goals.

I think Bernier is the weaker goalie out of the two. But Bernier actually had to make some saves to keep their team in it. Dubnyk created scoring chances for Toronto.

I think Dubnyk was going to push himself into the top ten for goalies this year. I really did, I'm not sure if it's the new equipment. Maybe the goalie coach.

I noticed Dubnyk was very deep in his net and so was Labarbera. Is that because of the goalie coach? Maybe.

I'm all for grabbing Bryz for league min. and giving him a try. Dubnyk has lost me in these last four games. He's been brutal.

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#67 paqtwinn
October 13 2013, 09:26AM
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Seeing lots of "sample size" excuses....Dubnyk has let in the bad goal for his whole career. His "whole career" is a pretty decent sample size.

Seeing lots of "hung out to dry" excuses....No one expects him to stop the 3 on 1 but the Kadri goal and Lupuls 2nd are plays you can pick out of dozens of his starts.

Time to move onwards and upwards with our goaltending needs.

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#68 Czar
October 13 2013, 10:09AM
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paqtwinn wrote:

Seeing lots of "sample size" excuses....Dubnyk has let in the bad goal for his whole career. His "whole career" is a pretty decent sample size.

Seeing lots of "hung out to dry" excuses....No one expects him to stop the 3 on 1 but the Kadri goal and Lupuls 2nd are plays you can pick out of dozens of his starts.

Time to move onwards and upwards with our goaltending needs.

I watched the kid do the same thing in Kamloops, lets in a soft goal most nights and drops to his knees quicker than DSF in a mens locker room.

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#69 Czar
October 13 2013, 10:31AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Can we keep the juvenile personal remarks out of here?

Some of us are more adult, Thanks.

Pot meet Mr Kettle. Good Grief

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#71 jonny94
October 12 2013, 11:20PM
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Jonathan,

I would definitely test the market and see who/what goalie would be available, I wouldn't make a stupid trade but if there is a fair one that makes sense for both clubs I'm all for it and honestly If anyone is panicking it is clearly the bodywork of Devan Dubnyk. Sure the team as a whole has some work to do in their own end but when your team scores you 4+ goals there is no reason why we are losing. The Oilers faithful are tired of seeing constant losing and when your starter has 4 starts and is letting in this many goals it's getting hard to be optimistic.

Sure it's only 5 games in but how long is everyone willing to say this, I hope we don't get to game 15 and say well it's only 15 games and our starter is still shaky.

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#72 Jmang
October 12 2013, 11:33PM
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We cant afford to risk our first. The way this is going that clould be a nathan makinnon

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#73 Zamboni Driver
October 12 2013, 11:45PM
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@Johe

Said every single year for the past 7.

Roger.

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#74 exsanguinator
October 12 2013, 11:52PM
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Meh, he's a career .911 goalie including this year. If he gets the .920 he got last season then LaBarbera and Dubnyk are a good enough tandem for the firepower the Oil has up front.

On the other hand, playing a career back up seems to be working pretty well for Calgary so far so maybe you do play LaBarbera more.

Also, the Oilers defensemen aren't really doing him any favors either like always.

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#76 Oilers Coffey
October 13 2013, 12:07AM
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TERRIBLE GOALTENDING! You can't argue against that, Dubnyk has never had the ability to make the key key save in a game.

How many times in his tenure did we lose third period leads?

How many times were the Oilers never able to break the first goal funk from a weak first goal against when there was tons of momentum going in the Oilers favor?

Has Dubnyk ever been a real winner? Like championship winner???

NEVER

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#77 Jmang
October 13 2013, 12:13AM
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@DSF

Dubnyk was not invited to olympic training canp. He was invited to last years tourney. And played pretty horrendously for canada i might add. Hence not getting another chance. Smith outplayed him by a wide margin.

Dubnyk just seems to lack any.. Athletisism .. He seems rly uptight. Him and lebarbra or whatever. Both play deep in their net. And look like they havent done the splits in years. If oilers stick with it. I see no way they will slump out of this hole.

And in response , no i dont rly think we will do that awful this season, we wont get first overall. And if we used it to get ourselves a likely stud the chances of that pick being less valuable would increase. Im just frutrated with what i have seen thus far.

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#78 Coco crisp
October 13 2013, 04:09AM
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@Garon

Relax.

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#79 Smokey
October 13 2013, 08:33AM
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oilers2k10 wrote:

The more I watch him play the more I'm starting to think that Mark Arcobello is Sam Gagner. They are the same player. Wonder what kind of contract extention he gets.

Also where does Yakupov fit into the lineup now, what about once Gags returns? You cant send Arcobello down with the way he's playing, and Yakupov can't be on the 3rd or 4th lines and be expected to find his game there. He needs more minutes, coach needs to realize that he's very very young, be patient..allow the kid to make mistakes and learn. He's 19 yrs old, high risk high reward with young guys like that.

I suggest Eakins should put good two way players with Yakupov..put Yak on a line with Hall and RNH.

Except Mark can win face-offs and Gagner can score. And 3 inches and 25 pounds.

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#80 Walter Sobchak
October 13 2013, 09:59AM
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This is the lame argument Rob Brown had on his after game program.

That starting goalies would cost you dear! A caller suggests a first round pick could secure a starting goalie, Brown being Brown laughed that comment off.

Meanwhile, the Oilers almost had Schneider had Gillis not screwed the Oilers one more time and settled for NJD 9th overall instead of the Oilers 7th and Paajarvi.

Bernier was even less IIRC

Ryan Millar would be, could be had for the Oilers 1st and Dubnyk.

Millar for a sign and trade, Millar is only two hours to his lovely wife in LA.

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#81 Rama Lama
October 13 2013, 10:49AM
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Dubby has been sheltered in the past with defensive systems that mostly saw shots being taken from outside the danderous areas of the ice. Fast forward and now we have a new system under the uber intelligent Dallas Eakins called the SWARM.

Under this new system of play we can expect more of what we saw when Lupul was left all alone in the slot. Now that all players are instructed to collapse around the puck we will see players left all alone in the slot facing Dubby. Dubby will do what Dubby does immediately fall down and start flopping around like a wounded fish.

I have not seen any positive movement around coaching like we were all told we could expect. In stead all the star players that we have accumulated look lost out there, running into each other, not shooting the puck, following the puck around like a bunch of five year olds.

Gonna be a long season.

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#82 james_dean
October 12 2013, 11:26PM
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A likeable guy but a results drivin type o deal here

hopefully I run into jay feaster @ royal fork buffet again tmrw and run it by him

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#83 Zamboni Driver
October 12 2013, 11:42PM
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I've also often wondered why we never see permission from the bloggers and writers out there that it is now OFFICIALLY okay to panic.

You'd think it would have come up once or twice in:

30th, 30th, 29th, 26th

Can't think of a time though.

Instead everyone is just a litttttttttttle smarter than the dull masses.

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#85 Johe
October 13 2013, 12:05AM
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@Jonathan Willis

If you keep feeding the troll, he'll keep saying stupid things. I know you know that, but...

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#86 Alsker
October 13 2013, 12:16AM
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Cold Hard Truth wrote:

Jonathan,

Do your stats hold you at night and tell you they love you?

On a side note, we are probably one of the few teams who assumes no trade can be made without being ripped off. Probably years of poor management at work.

I would love to see the oilers win, but a part of me wants them to lose miserably so maybe, just maybe, Lowe & co. are given the boot. Call it blood lust.

Dont need to win but break even on a trade, as for Klowe+co. after what he's done and to still draw a paycheck, there is nothing he can do to cost him his place in the Oilers. That is until RX2 opens, at which time the Oil better be serious winners or else...In other words we have 2-3 years of this crap left.

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#87 Racki
October 13 2013, 01:17AM
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@Jonathan Willis

The history of both these players says they're a good enough tandem to provide NHL-average goaltending; clearly the Oilers felt at least that was possible when they made the choice this summer and there hasn't been enough evidence to overturn that decision, yet.

Let's call it what it is.. MacT stated before the season started that he wasn't comfortable with the net situation. He tried for a couple of guys (most notably Schneider and Bishop) and couldn't acquire them. Labarbera is the consolation prize for not being able to land anyone else. I think Dubnyk would have been here regardless, but he would have had someone much better pushing him for starts. Labarbera got the lone win this year, but I wouldn't say he's been desirable to watch either yet.

I would try and make Bryzgalov or another UFA goalie (there is still Theodore and Hedberg, but I am not so sure either would help much, granted) this team's Ray Emery. Sign him cheap on a 1 year deal and see if he can stop the bleeding while Dubnyk regains his form.

That said, I'd say it should be plan C still... now that my panic level has dropped a bit, cooler heads, etc... I'd say let's see how Labarbera handles the Caps. If the Oilers pull off a win or even a point against them, then you let it ride another game.. take it one game at a time for now.

I don't want to let this decision go on too long though because this type of tactic totally reeks of Tambellini: sit and wait for the problem to fix itself until next thing you're know you're in December looking at 29 teams above you in the standings. No thanks.

The Oilers will be at 50 contracts if they scoop up a goalie like Bryzy, unfortunately, but what are you hanging on to that extra slot for if you aren't using it to plug a major hole with a cheap and potentially usable player?

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#88 Mr. Calm
October 13 2013, 02:30AM
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Most of all I hope not to turn into Vancouver fans. Some of the best goaltenders in the league and they run them out of town.

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#89 Ari Gold
October 13 2013, 04:38AM
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Everyone will find their scapegoat, today it's DD. I simply want wins. For now, I blame the entire organization, top to bottom.

This Cool-Aid sucks, I'm switching to whisky.

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#90 spliff
October 13 2013, 05:48AM
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Every game, more excuses from players, coaches and management. I wonder what the "plan" will be if they don't make the playoffs this year?

Whats the plan MacT? Kevin? Watching a horrible loser of a team for eight years in a row, I want to know, what the plan is?

Can someone from the Oilers office refund me 150$ that I wasted on NHL gamecenter. Every year I think "this year will be different" but its always the same. I'm getting very very tired of this constant losing. Why do I still give a sh*t?

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#91 Kyle
October 13 2013, 06:12AM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to take a dozen stinkers in order for MacT to pick up the phone. A commitment to Dubey was made at the start of the season and it isn't possible to undo it at this point. Unless there is a GM out there who really wants Hemsky, we aren't about to make a deal for a goalie. There's a much better chance we pick up a strong defensive blue liner who can save us one goal per game. We have lots of firepower, but we need our goals against to be under four in order to win games. It's pointless calling for Dubnyk's head after each loss. It isn't happening for at least another month.

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#92 madjam
October 13 2013, 07:11AM
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Dubbie needs/should go for conditioning stint to OKC (if that is possible) to hone his game , while Bachman comes up , as he is playing well in OKC . Lababarra starts in the interim . We have plenty of other equally pressing problems that need cure that otherwise might not be seen or dealt with if we had stellar goaltending to start this year .

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#93 The Soup Fascist
October 13 2013, 10:05AM
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Small sample sizes for Dubnyk? How many 4 goal games do people need to see before they realize that Dubnyk is not the starting goalie we've been looking for? Dubnyk has proven over and over that he is just mentally unstable in net, like how he let in a quick goal right after another one last year. At least then he put up decent numbers. The Oilers outplayed the Leafs so hard, and yet Dubnyk atill managed to find a way to make this team lose. This is their year, and Dubnyk just isn't up to the challenge.

Four goal games?

If games 1 and 5 are " four goal games" the Oil have a winning record.

Man, we could use a four goal game right now.

Message to Dubey: Feel free to mix in a save every once in awhile!

I know it is horse crap to kick someone when they are down, but this is tough to watch. A couple more games like this and the Capital Power commercials where Dubey is the "new guy" on site might become reality TV.

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#94 Rotten Ron
October 13 2013, 10:07AM
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Jw's "sample size" is hilarious considering his main argument is based on stats from a 48 game season. Usual cult of hockey take the unpopular view we're smarter than everyone and have numbers to prove it bs.

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#95 TKB2677
October 13 2013, 10:39AM
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JW is right. Goalies have bad stretches all the time. The problem is when. It's goalies have these " bad stretches" they put up numbers if of 3+ goals against and save percentages of just below .900.

Dubnyk's numbers are 5.43 goals against and .829 save percentage. Those aren't even AHL numbers. If Dubnyk didn't have a contract or was on a 2 way, he wouldn't be on the oilers roster and I have a hard time believing he'd even be playing in North America.

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#96 Czar
October 13 2013, 11:53AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Please by all means show me the post where I suggested someone drop to their knees in a men's locker room.

Having a different viewpoint than someone else is what the comment section is all about.

Differing viewpoints all the way! I consider someone who cherry picks stats,pats his own back that 1 in 50 times he's right, jumps on every bandwagon[hello Panthers, Wild and now the Stars]and runs and hides when he's proven wrong a sock cucker. DSF,aka Fluffy,is the only poster on here I've ever directed that kind of criticism towards. Call him a troll or whatever you like but he is not an Oiler fan and deserves everything he gets.

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#97 Butters
October 12 2013, 11:45PM
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Yes, we should have pursued Tim Thomas and we could have him and his 0.850 Save Percentage.

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#99 Cold Hard Truth
October 13 2013, 12:10AM
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As for the "it's still early argument," or the "we need more patience." My psyche is is starting to chafe hearing this year after year. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

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#100 John
October 13 2013, 12:12AM
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Time to panic is right. Look at the Blue Jays this year, they didn't panic after losing games early in the season. I see similar problems Oilers has just as the Jays did. So far goal tending is bad and defense also bad these past 5 games. The offense is scoring but not more than what they got scored against. 25 goals allowed in 5 games is unacceptable, what happened to team conditioning Eakins brought in to the team? They allowed late goals and looked tired and out of sync against the Devils. Later in the season when goal tending is good but the offense is no where. Goal tending, defense and offense has to be firing all cylinders. Not one or two each game but all three to win games. Look at the Avs (I can't stand that guy Roy), they are winning 5 games to start the season and they were dead last last year. Dubnyk didn't look sharp, mentally prepared and be alert each time other team shoot at him. He let in easy goals and stayed too deep in net, also go down too early. It's early in the season and the points are slipping away, late in the season these points will bite them in the ass. Time to panic and start to play better as a team. Please Oilers, play better. From a long time fan, moved from Edmonton to Toronto 20 years ago. I m still an Oiler fan all these years. Please for the love of god, play better for all your fans around the world! God bless! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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