This is the perfect time to panic!

Jonathan Willis
October 12 2013 10:59PM

Devan Dubnyk has played four games for the Oilers this season. He has four losses and a 0.829 save percentage; he's probably directly cost Edmonton two wins and three points with his poor play.

What can the Oilers do about it?

Option 1: Stay The Course

The argument: Devan Dubnyk has been successful in Edmonton's net for three years now. Throwing that away over a lousy four-game stretch would be crazy. Goalies have bad runs sometimes. It's hard, but the best bet is to just ride this out rather than wasting assets bringing in a guy who isn't likely to be any better than Dubnyk is long-term.

Option 2: Jason LaBarbera

The argument: Sure, Jason LaBarbera didn't look very good in his first game for Edmonton. But he's been a darn good backup for five years now. Putting him in net gives Dubnyk a break, gives LaBarbera a chance to show whether he can handle the job, and costs nothing in terms of assets. The Oilers' play seems to have improved quite a bit; if LaBarbera can be average (and history suggests he can) that should be good enough.

Option 3: Ilya Bryzgalov

The argument: Sure, he didn't work out in Philadelphia, but this is a guy who was a Vezina candidate not that long ago. Signing in the ECHL shows he wants a North American job, and he should have plenty of motivation to prove he can still handle NHL minutes. If he can be anywhere near where he was a few years back, the Oilers will be smiling.

Option 4: The Big Trade

The argument: Edmonton's goaltending sin't good enough. Devan Dubnyk lets in soft goals and can't handle pressure; LaBarbera is a career backup. The team needs wins now, which means bringing in a new starter. Call him James Reimer, or Viktor Fasth or Ryan Miller, or whoever. The cost will be dear - nobody is giving these guys away and Edmonton's in a terrible position - but this team needs wins now and that means making a trade right now.

My Take

 

The decision was made in the summer. Maybe it was the wrong decision, but a) four games isn't enough evidence to overturn it and b) the cost of trying to overturn it is going to be very, very high. I'd be tempted to go with Jason LaBarbera against Washington, to give Dubnyk a game off and see what the backup can do; if LaBarbera plays well he stays in until he doesn't and if he plays poorly Dubnyk gets another shot. The history of both these players says they're a good enough tandem to provide NHL-average goaltending; clearly the Oilers felt at least that was possible when they made the choice this summer and there hasn't been enough evidence to overturn that decision, yet.

That's a hard decision to make; given the pressures on the team this season it's extremely difficult to see the goaltending almost single-handedly losing games. But the alternatives are either unlikely to be a good fit (Bryzgalov) or likely to be cost-prohibitive if there's any other way out. 

But it wouldn't hurt to get a feel for the goaltending market, either.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Mr. Calm
October 13 2013, 02:00AM
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I might also add, that thiss eastern conference bias for the start of the season couldn't possibly have been a better situation for the oil. It allows them a lot of games to sort out their problems, while not giving the points to conference and divisional opponents.

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#102 N4R
October 13 2013, 03:28AM
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Edmonton Oilers vs Toronto Maple Leafs (12.10.2013) http://prognoz-na-sport.info/news/skachat_match_edmonton_oilers_vs_toronto_maple_leafs_nhl_2013_2014_regular_season_12_10_2013/2013-10-13-6741

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#103 Kyle
October 13 2013, 06:16AM
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@flyricky

That wouldn't be a horrible idea if either of those players were meeting expectations. Myers needs a change of scenery. No doubt about it.

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#104 BleedingOil
October 13 2013, 06:55AM
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Goal 1) How can one of the tallest goalies in the league leave a hole above his shoulder short side? Goal 2) How did the leaf attacker skate by our new captain 5 feet in front of the net and not end up on his feet Goal 3) Why are both defenders chasing puck in corner leaving the trailing winger wide open and where was our back checking from our RW on the play? When Lupul let go, all 5 of our players were on the wrong side of the play. All of them. Goal 4) 4 of our 5 players could have reached out and touched each other and none were deeper than the hash marks. When Kessel dumped the puck behind our net, why did Ference glide through the circle and not skate hard for the net, and why was JVR all alone in Gretzkys office? DD totally lost sight of puck on this one as well. The guy is 10 feet tall and can touch both posts while in butterfly so he should not be moving side to side the way he does. Goal 5) Belov and Ference are both in the shooting lane and provide a nice screen for the shooter. Give DD clear sight or block the shot. Get out of the way if you cant get in the way. Goal 6) OT Goal. Should have been a penalty call. 3 on 1. We were in way to deep on this one for not having clear possession of the puck. Sad to see that our "Stud" dman was the deepest. You can actually see him turn and break in on the right side while Nuge is being raped. This causes him to be way too deep by the time Nuge is recovering. On his back check, he is blue line to blue line away from the play. By the time he gets to his own blue line, he stops skating. The sad part is that by the time Raymond gets the rebound, Schultz is within stick reach of the play. 2 or 3 more hard strides and he may have made up for the mistake he made pinching in too deep seconds earlier.

I know its easy to pick out mistakes on the ice from my googlebox and comfy couch, but you can clearly see the 2 holes of Big Tough Defender and Game Changing Goalies are slapping us in tha face every night. Play your position Dmen and that will solve most inadequacy in goal. If your forwards are scoring 5 goals in a game, they are doing their job. Time for the defensive part of our game to come up to par. I am not slamming just our Dcorps, but all 5 players on ice play more positionally sound without the puck. It just needs to happen from our back end out. Dubey, stand up and make yourself BIG! Dont go down on your knees as soon as the puck comes in our zone. You are way to big of a man to play a flop and drop game like TT, Miller or Brodeur....it just wont work. Schultz, if you wanna be a winger, then go buy Eakins a low fat latte, fruit cup and sit down and have a chat. Ference, start showing an attitude and nobody gets past the hash marks and stays on two feet. Top 6, keep doing what you are doing, whatever line combinations Eakins has you on. Bottom 6, HIT MORE...our end, open ice, deep in other end, HIT HIT HIT. Get that puck back.

I see changes coming fast. MacT and Eakins have too much pride and glory to swallow these stupid losses. Someone is going soon. Why was Yak sitting last night? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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#105 Harry
October 13 2013, 07:10AM
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Staying the course is the worat option. Give Labarbera the next 4 starts if he sucks. Sign Bryzgalov for one year. I we get to mid season and none of those three have done the job. Make the trade.

How in your infinite wisdom JW can you possibly think Hiller, or Miller are not upgrades over Dubnyk?

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#106 michael
October 13 2013, 07:25AM
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If DD cannot find his game well be so hooped it won't even be funny.What team would take him? 3.75 million thank you very much Tambo. You can't bury his contract.

We still have one buyout but I don't think you can use that during the year. A regular buyout? I don't know if that is applicable either.

Signing IB would be tantamount to disaster. Talk about a circus if that comes about.

Positives. Arcobello. What Jason Gregor. He is small and can't play. Not enough foot speed. What? 3 assists and had he scored we might be talking about something other than the goaltending.

Ryan Smyth. 2 goals and looked fresh. This is how we do it. Sit and play. Sit and play. He looked like he had energy. The line produced 3 goals.

Boyd Gordon.Has been more than advertised. Looks like he has found his niche here in Edmonton.

Negatives

Gagner. Not in the lineup. His absence is felt.

Yakupov. Same as above.

Justin Shultz. hello? the season has started. Shoot the puck.

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#107 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 07:44AM
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Gret99zky wrote:

New wife, check.

New child, check.

New GM has no faith in him, check.

DD has a lot on his plate.

Getting paid 4 million, check

Letting your teammates down almost every game this year, check

Playing like a professional and not letting your outside life game bother you, fail.

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#108 Taylor Gang
October 13 2013, 08:29AM
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Small sample sizes for Dubnyk? How many 4 goal games do people need to see before they realize that Dubnyk is not the starting goalie we've been looking for? Dubnyk has proven over and over that he is just mentally unstable in net, like how he let in a quick goal right after another one last year. At least then he put up decent numbers. The Oilers outplayed the Leafs so hard, and yet Dubnyk atill managed to find a way to make this team lose. This is their year, and Dubnyk just isn't up to the challenge.

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#109 Smokey
October 13 2013, 08:38AM
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Renslip wrote:

I'm not really sure how many of these comments are trolls, but a few people here really need to get some perspective!

As to Dubnyk, he's not awesome but no goalie is going to win many games in Edmonton until we see a bit of team defence. There are to many players worrying about their next breakout play before they worry about getting possession.

TO was mostly in check last night. There were a high powered counter offence that played in their own end half the night and still managed 6 goals. 3 of the goals let in were aweful. The Oilers played a good game, Dubby was bad. Defence was ok, not great. But the swiss cheese argument can't be used last night. Devon was just that bad.

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#110 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 09:28AM
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Jofa wrote:

"The decision was made in the summer" ... Was it?

By all accounts, MacT was trying to upgrade goaltending with guys like Schneider or Bernier. If anything, this would indicate the "decision" made this summer was that Dubnyk was not MacTavish's preferred starter and that the team needs to upgrade at this position. The fact that Dubnyk is still here is less about a decision being made that the organization believes he's their #1 guy and more a result of upgrade attempts via trade or signing being unsuccessful to date.

Knowing that MacT saw goaltending as a weakness and was looking to upgrade at the position, I suspect he is going to be actively looking for a deal in order to try to keep his first season at the helm from derailing. The asking price will be dear, but so too is having a team (and fan base) lose confidence in its goaltending. Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date. Yes it's early to draw conclusions, but this is also supposed to be the year this franchise takes a big step forward, and a quick (yes BOLD) step may be needed before the oil dig themselves into too big of a hole.

"Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date."

He has convinced many of us he is NOT the guy. Some of us knew a long time ago.

What really matters is Dubnyk convincing the "braintrust", From the looks of their faces after last game it appears to be mission accomplished.Now it is only a matter of finding the right deal without to much of an overpay.

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#111 jasongb
October 13 2013, 09:35AM
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HOLD HOLD HOLD, don't pull a trade trigger or sign that idiot Bryzgalov. I don't care that he had a good record once, we don't need to sign that fool. Too disruptive to the room and will no work and will be a bad signing. Look at Mac T's additions. they are all good additions. I think the first 20 games are going to be ugly, no matter how sick of paying to watch a loosing team, it will take time. Mac T and Eakins are turning this team to a winner, but it is going to take time. That being said, I was not speaking with a PG rating after that Leafs game.

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#112 Ron Burgundy
October 13 2013, 09:53AM
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Meanwhile:

16-5, 1.98, 0.934

60-70, 2.84, .908

I'm not an NHL scout, but the 2nd set suggests guaranteed mediocrity, vs. some very intriguing potential in the first set.

The first set is Anton Khudobin's career numbers. The second set is Jason Labarbera's career statline. Khudobin was signed for $800,000, 200k less than Labarbera, and was signed after Labarbera meaning he was available at the time.

I thought MacT did all he could in the summer except in respect of the nets, where Khudobin, Thomas Greiss, Tim Thomas and other quality talent was available. Instead, we got Dubnyk's workout buddy, who I'm sure is a very nice guy but was not and is not the answer. Now we the fans get yet another year of head-exploding frustration...

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#113 goalieczar
October 13 2013, 10:17AM
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Dubnyk has done the same thing every year. When the games matter early in the year and the pressure is on, he is terrible. Two years ago he couldn't win a game for the first half of the season. When the Oilers were basically mathematically eliminated was when he padded his save percentage.

The answer is simple. Petr Mrazek in Detroit. He is a future superstar, we can probably get him for less than a first,and he is the same age as the rest of our kids.

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#114 Will
October 13 2013, 10:42AM
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I don't understand the argument that our defense has been terrible this year. We've had 147 shots for and 150 against meaning we're almost dead even on shots against the teams we've played. So if our defense is "bad" that means so is Vancouver, Winnipeg, Montreal, Toronto, and NJ. Where the difference is of those nearly identical shot totals, Dubnyk and Labarbra have let in 25 goals as oppose to the other teams' 14. Since 2 have been empty net, that is nine extra goals our tenders have let in over the opposition in five games. NINE! Since I could count one or two Labarbra should have had, that means in four games, Dubnyk has let in roughly seven goals that should not have gone in. That's nearly two soft goals a game and it's killing us.

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#115 Cheezy
October 13 2013, 11:56AM
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Dud-nyk!!!

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#116 vetinari
October 13 2013, 12:12PM
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Lay off Dubnyk... He's our ticket to another #1 draft pick! We're still collecting those, aren't we?

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#117 andrewmk20
October 13 2013, 12:36PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I don't think the Oilers should make a deal either. They aren't a cup contender this year and selling important assets seems wasteful. But with some fairly good goaltenders being ufa's this summer who do you think the Oilers should target if possible? Jonas Hiller, Henrik Lundqvist, and Jaroslav Halak are all ufas. St Louis has Jake Allen and Brian Elliott and emerging cap issues, New York is going to be have to be careful because they'll have cap space but they also have to resign a lot of position players for next year. Anaheim is going to be interesting because I like Hiller but it seems if Fasth struggles this year it will be very unlikely they let Hiller go to free agency.

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#118 TDSM31
October 13 2013, 12:54PM
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If Smytty and Yak have already had nights in the press box for poor play, why the hell is Dubnyk still dressing, let alone starting?? Bring up Bachman and start LaBarbera next game while Dubby thinks about it in the press box. Time for some tough love.

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#119 chadster
October 13 2013, 01:52PM
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no need to trade anyone, Brez would be a minimal cost for a tryout, any shenanegans, demote him.

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#120 Zamboni Driver
October 12 2013, 11:50PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Touche.

Though to be fair. Sad as it is for most fanboys, the braintrust is not, in fact, playing anymore.

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#121 Johe
October 12 2013, 11:57PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Said every single year for the past 7.

Roger.

Yeah, but this time I mean it ;)

No, really...

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#122 Ari Gold
October 13 2013, 04:32AM
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I'm so sick of losing. I don't care if there's an individual player to blame. Upper management has little accountability. After 7 years of mediocrity, the team is still losing.

It's like the Oil want us to cheer for another team. I've seen marriages end for less.

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#123 The Oilers Shot Clock
October 13 2013, 04:41AM
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@flyricky

It would be awesome if the cap didnt exist if we simply ignored it huh?

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#124 Allan O
October 13 2013, 07:09AM
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@Sidney Frosby

Oilers should trade a prospect or two for Martin Jones who plays for Manchester Monarchs in the AHL. A tall athletic goalie with tremendous upside. LA is set in goal with Quick and Jones might be had for the right price. Best goalie in the AHL.

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#125 Greg the Hammer Valentine
October 13 2013, 07:24AM
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Maybe it!s not too early for an investment in a long term project. A good prospect stuck in the minors because of depth, like Philip Grubauer in Washington could be a pretty good acquisition. Because right now, not only our current goaltending is bad but we have nothing coming down the pipeline.

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#126 madjam
October 13 2013, 07:54AM
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I'm feeling like I am watching a comedy version of Jackass the Movie Hockey Style for last 7years . Enough of this sequel/serial crap .

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#127 Stack Pad Save
October 13 2013, 08:00AM
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Dubnyk's biggest problem is that he is not comfortable in net. His equipment all changed in size and the biggest change was his paddle length. The paddle length has a direct effect on a goalies stance. From my own personal experience as a kid when I was a short 12 year old and my blocker hand was out of a position as my stick was too big for me. I constantly cheated to the blocker side and got continually burnt because I was uncomfortable in my own equipment. When I grew and started to actually fit my equipment I felt better, and was a slightly less sivvy goalie. Dubnyk has the same problem with his equipment right now and doesn't have the luxury of being 12 years old; he is a pro and he needs to fix it ASAP or he will be gone. We all saw the looks Oilers management were giving him last night from the press box.

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#128 book¡e
October 13 2013, 08:11AM
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@**

Neither has Hall

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#129 Dangilitis
October 13 2013, 08:15AM
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I don't know if Khudobin was interested, but I can't even fathom why he was bought for nothing by Carolina after the Oilers had signed Labarbera. Maybe MacT didn't think he had a legitimate shot at him, but come on! No offence to Carolina but it is not exactly the #1 destination of NHL players, and they got him for 200,000 less than LaBarbera. I would have signed Anton for 1.5 million, he had way more potential and I do believe that he will make the goaltending issue more complicated in Carolina. Which is what should have happened in Edmonton, rather than bringing in Dubnyk's tall friend.

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#130 Spydyr
October 13 2013, 08:22AM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Dubnyk's biggest problem is that he is not comfortable in net. His equipment all changed in size and the biggest change was his paddle length. The paddle length has a direct effect on a goalies stance. From my own personal experience as a kid when I was a short 12 year old and my blocker hand was out of a position as my stick was too big for me. I constantly cheated to the blocker side and got continually burnt because I was uncomfortable in my own equipment. When I grew and started to actually fit my equipment I felt better, and was a slightly less sivvy goalie. Dubnyk has the same problem with his equipment right now and doesn't have the luxury of being 12 years old; he is a pro and he needs to fix it ASAP or he will be gone. We all saw the looks Oilers management were giving him last night from the press box.

Good theory , except the changes effected every goalie in the NHL not just the big easy.

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#131 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
October 13 2013, 08:24AM
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Dubbie is certainly part of the problem but there were so many individual blunders in the d zone last night, it was scary. Hope its just part of learning the new system.

Is JS the new Sandis Ozolinsh? Holy crap, that was a horrid play on the OT goal. Dangerous on both sides of the ice.

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#132 paqtwinn
October 13 2013, 08:56AM
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@Jmang

Do you mean the MacKinnon that was already drafted by the Avs, that Mackinnon?

But seriously, you have a point, we could be a lottery team if this isn't corrected.

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#133 Rod from Viking
October 13 2013, 09:09AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Small sample sizes for Dubnyk? How many 4 goal games do people need to see before they realize that Dubnyk is not the starting goalie we've been looking for? Dubnyk has proven over and over that he is just mentally unstable in net, like how he let in a quick goal right after another one last year. At least then he put up decent numbers. The Oilers outplayed the Leafs so hard, and yet Dubnyk atill managed to find a way to make this team lose. This is their year, and Dubnyk just isn't up to the challenge.

He apparently cannot handle the pressure of being a #1 period,it is so different than being a backup. Devan played ok his first pre-season game with no pressure but the last preseason in OKC and the 4 starts this year have shown he isn't mentally tough enough. As far as management goes they will be trying very hard to do something and soon. On another note why are both defence men in the same corner on a couple of goals last night? Nick Schultz has also been terrible, time to give him a night off.

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#134 Jofa
October 13 2013, 09:10AM
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"The decision was made in the summer" ... Was it?

By all accounts, MacT was trying to upgrade goaltending with guys like Schneider or Bernier. If anything, this would indicate the "decision" made this summer was that Dubnyk was not MacTavish's preferred starter and that the team needs to upgrade at this position. The fact that Dubnyk is still here is less about a decision being made that the organization believes he's their #1 guy and more a result of upgrade attempts via trade or signing being unsuccessful to date.

Knowing that MacT saw goaltending as a weakness and was looking to upgrade at the position, I suspect he is going to be actively looking for a deal in order to try to keep his first season at the helm from derailing. The asking price will be dear, but so too is having a team (and fan base) lose confidence in its goaltending. Dubnyk had a window to convince the organization that he can be their guy, but I can't imagine the new coach or GM are impressed with what they've seen to date. Yes it's early to draw conclusions, but this is also supposed to be the year this franchise takes a big step forward, and a quick (yes BOLD) step may be needed before the oil dig themselves into too big of a hole.

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#135 big zeek
October 13 2013, 09:15AM
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The point of all of this, the oilers did not get the saves when they needed them. The kadri goalshouldnt of happened period. Teams capitalize on mistakes and its the goalies job to take away those chances half the time! Dubnyk did it none of the time.

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#136 derek
October 13 2013, 09:23AM
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Even below average goalies steal games, even the flames joey McDonald @ .898 sv pct

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#137 Jofa
October 13 2013, 09:33AM
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"We could have had Fuhr, Moog, Ranford, Cujo or Roloson at their prime in net tonight and it wouldn't have mattered."

What a bizarre statement. Seriously? Even if you take your last example, Roloson in his prime, this was a clutch guy who could hold the team in games they had no business winning. The game against Toronto was a very winnable game, but Dubnyk wasn't able to help them hold a lead or make the clutch save.

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#138 Oilcruzer
October 13 2013, 09:46AM
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If you want the team to confidently turn up the offense, they need to know their goalie will make the important saves.

Many here have said they would rather watch the Oil lose 6-5 while flying high. None wants that loss to be a result of continual substandard play by the goaltender.

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#139 Hammers
October 13 2013, 10:24AM
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Totally agree on your statements as this is on more than goalkeeping . Swarm is costing goals nearly as much as DD . McT can't panic with trades we will loose on a goalie . I would sooner trade for another upgrade on "D" . Belov coming along as I expected . J Schultz making as many mistakes as DD but not even talked about so he should be on 3rd pairing until loosing by a couple then let him run . Keep Petry , Ference , Belov , J. Schultz and try to upgrade either N. Schultz , Smid or both and that kind of trade may be easier to make .

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#140 Ron Burgundy
October 13 2013, 10:31AM
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goalieczar wrote:

Dubnyk has done the same thing every year. When the games matter early in the year and the pressure is on, he is terrible. Two years ago he couldn't win a game for the first half of the season. When the Oilers were basically mathematically eliminated was when he padded his save percentage.

The answer is simple. Petr Mrazek in Detroit. He is a future superstar, we can probably get him for less than a first,and he is the same age as the rest of our kids.

I like this - would be nice to get Brendan Smith as well. There's got to be some combo of prospects, picks and players that could make this happen.

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#141 Will
October 13 2013, 10:44AM
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Second, I don't think it much matters what fans think the Oilers should do, I think it matter what Mac T will do. Being how he wasn't sold on Dubnyk in the first place, tried to land Schnider already, and is 'impatient', I really don't see him letting this go on. Especially not when you can roll the dice on Bryz for no risk. What I'm saying is if we needed to lose Labarbra to waivers to bring in Bryz, we aren't doing any worse.

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#142 15w40
October 13 2013, 10:47AM
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Some fans are waaayyy too invested.

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-jobs-other-EDMONTON-OILERS-REQUIRE-STARTING-GOALTENDER-W0QQAdIdZ532724146

I did chuckle though......

I can see how playing out of a fishbowl would have its benefits.

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#143 rob
October 13 2013, 10:56AM
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Mact needs to pull a trade for a goalie STAT!our defence and that is not great but this team needs someone to make a big stop,if the players knew they could rely on there goalie once in awhile they would open up more.I know this team is not perfect but a goalie would help huge.we sucked in 06 till they got roalie and look what happened(not saying it would happen again)but we need this addressed now.Mact t please do something bold!

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#144 war
October 13 2013, 11:11AM
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use a prospect and a pick to get a goalie,if we had a great golie this team would be 3and 2!it would help lots and other stuff would works it self out

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#145 chadster
October 13 2013, 11:18AM
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Get rid of Dubnyk, stay the course and ruin the confidence of a young developing team...let them languish and become steeped in a never ending losing atmosphere??!!! That they can't take chances because they KNOW that they will be let down again and again. Yep lets just stay the course...BS!

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#146 rocket289k
October 13 2013, 11:20AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Dubby has been sheltered in the past with defensive systems that mostly saw shots being taken from outside the danderous areas of the ice. Fast forward and now we have a new system under the uber intelligent Dallas Eakins called the SWARM.

Under this new system of play we can expect more of what we saw when Lupul was left all alone in the slot. Now that all players are instructed to collapse around the puck we will see players left all alone in the slot facing Dubby. Dubby will do what Dubby does immediately fall down and start flopping around like a wounded fish.

I have not seen any positive movement around coaching like we were all told we could expect. In stead all the star players that we have accumulated look lost out there, running into each other, not shooting the puck, following the puck around like a bunch of five year olds.

Gonna be a long season.

This quote from Boyd Gordon in John McKinnon's article strike a chord.

"Since he has been about “10 years old,” Gordon has been more accustomed to the traditional plan in which one defenceman guards the front of the net, while his partner and the centre do the puck retrieval chores along the wall and in the corner.

Habits being habits, do the Oilers lapse back to that approach in the heat of battle?

“Yeah, I think everyone has,” Gordon said. “I know I have.”

That may help explain some of the running around but it doesn't explain our D coughing up the puck on a regular basis last night.

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#147 morgie
October 13 2013, 11:28AM
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Who's errors have cost the Oilers more goals against this season, Devan Dubnyk or Taylor Hall? Watch the 5th Leafs goal again...who gives the puck away to set up the shot by Lupul? Hall tries a between the legs, no look pass to the middle of the ice with a 1 goal lead in the last 40 seconds of a hockey game.

I'd say Dubnyk's errors have cost the oilers more this season than Hall, but it's close LOL

At least Hall does positive things, Dubnyk has made some big saves but more bad than good, not sure if I can say the same about Hall

As error prone as Hall has been, I think good outweighs the bad, besides he was playing out of position, what's Dubbie's excuse, new equipment? Weak!

As for the play you mention, let's be honest, it was hardly a no look pass up the middle, it was up the boards, and I suspect he was trying to get it out? but it was not up the middle, that would be really horrendous and something rather obvious we'd be talking about. A good play? probably not, but regardless, dubnyk has to be able to stop that weak shot

at 3:41 is the play you speak of

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020064-X-h&navid=DL|EDM|home

that's like saying Kadri had a great goal, great aim, but it was a terrible goal, no more excuses for Dubbie

Run with Labarabrra till he loses or looks really poor, otherwise ride him till we give Dubs another shot at goal

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#148 morgie
October 13 2013, 11:36AM
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chuckcouples wrote:

Who's errors have cost the Oilers more goals against this season, Devan Dubnyk or Taylor Hall? Watch the 5th Leafs goal again...who gives the puck away to set up the shot by Lupul? Hall tries a between the legs, no look pass to the middle of the ice with a 1 goal lead in the last 40 seconds of a hockey game.

I'd say Dubnyk's errors have cost the oilers more this season than Hall, but it's close LOL

At least Hall does positive things, Dubnyk has made some big saves but more bad than good, not sure if I can say the same about Hall

As error prone as Hall has been, I think good outweighs the bad, besides he was playing out of position, what's Dubbie's excuse, new equipment? Weak!

As for the play you mention, let's be honest, it was hardly a no look pass up the middle, it was up the boards, and I suspect he was trying to get it out? but it was not up the middle, that would be really horrendous and something rather obvious we'd be talking about. A good play? probably not, but regardless, dubnyk has to be able to stop that weak shot

at 3:41 is the play you speak of

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020064-X-h&navid=DL|EDM|home

that's like saying Kadri had a great goal, great aim, but it was a terrible goal, no more excuses for Dubbie

Run with Labarabrra till he loses or looks really poor, otherwise ride him till we give Dubs another shot at goal

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#149 Retsinnab5
October 13 2013, 11:55AM
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Call up Bachman let three goalies battle it out.

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#150 Mikey
October 13 2013, 11:57AM
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DoubleJ wrote:

Seriously? I saw three maybe four very routine saves go through Dubnyk. It looks like he actually tries to get out of the way on some of the goals.

I think Bernier is the weaker goalie out of the two. But Bernier actually had to make some saves to keep their team in it. Dubnyk created scoring chances for Toronto.

I think Dubnyk was going to push himself into the top ten for goalies this year. I really did, I'm not sure if it's the new equipment. Maybe the goalie coach.

I noticed Dubnyk was very deep in his net and so was Labarbera. Is that because of the goalie coach? Maybe.

I'm all for grabbing Bryz for league min. and giving him a try. Dubnyk has lost me in these last four games. He's been brutal.

I feel exactly the same as you. I talked Dubby up so much this summer.

Why was he ducking down on Kadri goal. Why did he barley lift his leg on the game winner, when all that did was protect his body (not cover open net) and leave a wide open five hole. Why was his glove resting on his pad when he slid over for the Lupul goal, it should have already be in the air covering the top corner. It's pathetic. I'm actually disgusted by his play.

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