GDB 7.0: IT DOESN'T GET EASIER

Jason Gregor
October 15 2013 11:59AM

Usually Oiler fans would be excited to watch the best player in the game, but the thought of Sidney Crosby shooting on Devan Dubnyk is frightening. The Pens are 3-0 at home and they've outscored the opposition 12-3. The Penguins skated into Florida last Friday and got waxed 6-3 by the Panthers, so don't expect the Penguins to take the struggling Oilers lightly.

Crosby is rolling with 5 goals and 9 points in 5 games. He is likely licking his chops in anticipation of facing the Oilers and their 4.83 GAA.

The great part about sports is that anything can happen. Most would predict an Oiler loss tonight, but once the puck drops anything can happen.

Maybe Devan Dubnyk suddenly finds his game. Stop chuckling, it is possible.

Maybe the Oilers stop turning the puck over at the offensive blueline, and chip it deep.

Maybe their PK gets some timely saves and some sticks in the lanes to break up passes.

Maybe Nail Yakupov shows Dallas Eakins he got the message and pots two goals.

Maybe the Oilers finally understand all the nuances of Eakins new system and play a sound defensive game.

They might need all of these maybes to happen in order to win, but if the Penguins can lose 6-3 to the Panthers the Oilers have a shot.

LINEUP

The Oilers didn't have a morning skate, but we will see some lineup changes.

Jesse Joensuu has been sent back to Edmonton to get an undisclosed injury looked at.

Ryan Jones was recalled from OKC, while Philip Larsen was sent down.

Yakupov will return to the lineup.

I'm guessing Jones will play on the 4th line in place of either Luke Gazdic or Mike Brown. Brown leads the team in hits, but isn't doing anything offensively. Gazdic is tougher, and he's been physical. Eakins believes you need to wear down the opposition physically, so maybe Brown stays while Gazdic sits. Pittsburgh doesn't have a bonafide heavyweight so Eakins could put Brown with Jones and hope they create something on the forecheck.

The top-nine could have numerous options. These are the top-nine forwards, but we likely won't know the lines until later today. This is what I would do:

LW                         C                       RW
Hall                    RNH                   Yakupov
Perron               Arcobello           Eberle
Smyth               Gordon               Hemsky
Jones                Acton                  Brown

It is a major risk to put Yakupov with RNH and Hall, because they've given up a lot of chances lately, but I'd still look at it.

Eberle and Perron had good chemistry in camp, and Arcobello seems to fit in well with Eberle.

You could go with a veteran line of Gordon, Smyth and Hemsky. Hemsky and Smyth know how to play with one another, and they should be reliable enough defensively.

Ultimately, I don't think it matters who plays with whom. Collectively the forwards need to be better away from the puck. Most of the guys are producing, and once Yakupov finds his offence this group will be fine. The key is which trio can find some defensive chemistry.

The blueline is struggling. J.Schultz looks lost, but he's only played 54 NHL games and he wasn't heralded as a defensive dynamo when they signed him. He will calm down and make smarter plays. Belov has been okay, but this team lacks a true top-pairing defender. Until they get one, they need their forwards to help them defensively. It is a must for this team to be competitive.

LOOKING AHEAD...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Hard to believe the Oilers can pull out a victory. They lose 3-2, but don't give up four goals for the first time all season. That will be a moral victory.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Crosby scores a PP goal in the first period.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Gordon scored 4 goals in 48 games last year, but he already has 4 this year. Craig Adams scored 3 goals in 48 games last year, but he already has 3 goals in 5 games. Gordon leads the Oilers in goals, while Adams is 2nd on the Penguins. Both of them continue their surprising starts and pick up a goal each. Both of them will score career highs in goals this season.

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#101 2004Z06
October 15 2013, 07:42PM
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Played a good game tonight against a very good team. Played physical, battled and ran into a hot goalie. No complaints tonight. If they play like that every night and get a decent goaltending effort, they will be ok.

Please no to Miller. He is a FA at the end of this year. I would trade a prospect and a pick to St.Louis for Elliot.

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#102 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 07:44PM
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In the third the pens smothered the oil like a baby in a crib.

Well-coached team beat a not so well coached team.

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#103 K_Mart
October 15 2013, 07:50PM
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.893 sv% from J.Lab.

Good game oil. That's 6 moral victories, woohoo! Imagine how good a real victory will feel.

And starting in net next game, Jordan Eberle. The kid was all world tonight and could have easily had multiple points. May as well shove him in net as well. What can't he do? He's better than hall IMO. Always has been, always will be.

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#104 DoubleJ
October 15 2013, 08:01PM
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The Oilers lose another game due to goaltending. He let in two soft goals. The Oilers are playing good. The goal tending is sad. Smid is the worse dman on the team. Which is sad because he's not paid like a number 7 dman. I wish the oil would have given Larsen a shot.

I hope the oil bring up Bachman to play in Long Island.

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#105 John Kirsch
October 15 2013, 08:07PM
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@2004Z06

Solid (and fun) game by the Oil and Pitt. Let's leave the moral victories to Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, Oil need wins asap.

Nuge was a no show, Ebs, Hall,Belov and Arch had strong games.

Pitt et al. are on another level. Funny to see their press box with Neal, Letang and Bennett; lots of talent and $$$ hurt.

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#106 Johe
October 15 2013, 08:18PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

In the third the pens smothered the oil like a baby in a crib.

Well-coached team beat a not so well coached team.

On the other hand, Pittsburgh managed only four shots in the third against a team playing a back to back. Just sayin...

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#107 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 08:20PM
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Johe wrote:

On the other hand, Pittsburgh managed only four shots in the third against a team playing a back to back. Just sayin...

C'mon man... you're harshing a sweet bummer narrative with your facts.

Don't you watch the game mathlete? And feel things about it?

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#108 Ea Statistics Guy
October 15 2013, 08:27PM
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So according to my sources, nhl 14, Montreal would trade Price for Dubnyk, klefbom, rajjala, and a second round pick. I can give ratings and star potential if needed.

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#109 DSF
October 15 2013, 08:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

C'mon man... you're harshing a sweet bummer narrative with your facts.

Don't you watch the game mathlete? And feel things about it?

You've heard of score effects, right?

Even then, the Penguins outshot the Oilers 4-3 in the 3rd.

The Oilers were outshot by 6 in the game.

Over an 82 game season, that's 492 shots.

Can't win that way.

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#110 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 08:30PM
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Johe wrote:

On the other hand, Pittsburgh managed only four shots in the third against a team playing a back to back. Just sayin...

The lack of Pitt offense was on purpose. Even Crosby was dumping it in once he got past center. It wasn't even close. Their systems work with any moderately able player - heck three of their very best were hurt and they still didn't break a sweat in the third.

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#111 Slats
October 15 2013, 08:41PM
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DSF wrote:

You've heard of score effects, right?

Even then, the Penguins outshot the Oilers 4-3 in the 3rd.

The Oilers were outshot by 6 in the game.

Over an 82 game season, that's 492 shots.

Can't win that way.

Even for you that stat was absolutely f^n incredible do you know Obama could use your help to spin a budget . . .awesome . . .just awesome.

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#112 Jzed
October 15 2013, 08:42PM
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Eakins wants them to play a certain way, fast, hard on the puck, tight in their own end. He's gotten short stretches of it, like tonight's 2nd, but with stretches of the same old soft chaos. All the while getting unreliable goaltending. But, it's starting. We have been the worst in the league. Digging out of that hole will be long and painful. Focus on small victories, reward honest effort, they will start to win.

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#113 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 08:45PM
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DSF wrote:

You've heard of score effects, right?

Even then, the Penguins outshot the Oilers 4-3 in the 3rd.

The Oilers were outshot by 6 in the game.

Over an 82 game season, that's 492 shots.

Can't win that way.

That's not how score effects work. They aren't period dependent. They are score dependent. Being outshot in the 3rd is irrelevant to score effects.

That said, they lost the shots, corsi, fenwick and score effects in all cases war tonight. But not by much. To me at least, that was a real surprise. I expected the Pens to roll over this team. Didn't happen.

Just curious, if you abstract out the Leaves shot differential tonight over 82 games, how badly are they outshot?

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#114 bwar
October 15 2013, 08:53PM
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It just seems like the players just don't give a fist on a lot of the plays.

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#115 DSF
October 15 2013, 08:56PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

That's not how score effects work. They aren't period dependent. They are score dependent. Being outshot in the 3rd is irrelevant to score effects.

That said, they lost the shots, corsi, fenwick and score effects in all cases war tonight. But not by much. To me at least, that was a real surprise. I expected the Pens to roll over this team. Didn't happen.

Just curious, if you abstract out the Leaves shot differential tonight over 82 games, how badly are they outshot?

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

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#116 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 08:58PM
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Buff beat nyi tonight (buff now has four points). Perhaps next game will be a breakthrough for EDM. Perhaps not.

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#117 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 09:02PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Exactly right - just as a team that's losing often has more hits than the other team - they are the ones without the puck.

The pens did nt give a rats a$$ about shots in the last period - they had the lead and they had a system that kept that lead. And Eakins had not counter.

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#118 Lober
October 15 2013, 09:06PM
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Enjoy the moral victories Edmonton its as good as its gonna get this year!

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#119 madjam
October 15 2013, 09:09PM
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Just think if we had stellar goaltending to start the year we might be 6-1 rather than 1-5-1 . Can you imagine the confidence the team would have had if not for poor goaltending ? They are almost there and competitive enough for wins . Give us goaltending and we might find a lot of winning taking place . They appear to be fitting into the system even though I felt they would not benefit by it . The Crosby dive did us in tonite , and gave them the crucial game winning goal on the power play . We are a force to be reconned with , unfortuneatly we do not have the results to show it as yet . How's that for being positive ?

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#120 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Ah. So you do partially understand scoring effects. Again, though they aren't period dependent, but score dependent. This shouldn't be so confusing.

BTW. We did outshoot them in the 3rd while trailing: 2-1.

That's a full doubling of the shots!

Over 82 games OMG!!!! can you imagine!!!

I love that you buy in to TOR's philosophy. awesome. Odd, though, shouldn't that mean that Oilers getting outshot is a good thing? hmmm... dance!

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#121 oilman3
October 15 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Get off your high horse. The truth is Toronto is getting way more points than they deserve right now. 14 shots tonight? Yeah, they've got things figured out for sure. If their goalies don't stand on their heads, they lose. If it keeps going like this they will start to lose a lot of games. By the way, it's couldn't care less, not "could care less" smart guy.

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#122 Cynic
October 15 2013, 09:18PM
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I heard the Oilers beat the Pens in Dennis King's Corsi Sledgehammer. So you've got that going for you....

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#123 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:22PM
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Cynic wrote:

I heard the Oilers beat the Pens in Dennis King's Corsi Sledgehammer. So you've got that going for you....

King records "scoring chances" not corsi (total shot attempts). But, yes Oil did win by his measure.

"Oilers outchance pens 19-15; 5-2 ST"

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#124 DSF
October 15 2013, 09:28PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ah. So you do partially understand scoring effects. Again, though they aren't period dependent, but score dependent. This shouldn't be so confusing.

BTW. We did outshoot them in the 3rd while trailing: 2-1.

That's a full doubling of the shots!

Over 82 games OMG!!!! can you imagine!!!

I love that you buy in to TOR's philosophy. awesome. Odd, though, shouldn't that mean that Oilers getting outshot is a good thing? hmmm... dance!

I understand your nonsense just fine.

But it's still nonsense.

Toronto and the Oilers play very different systems despite Eeeekins lauding Carlyle as his mentor.

Obviously, one of them is right and the other is an idiot.

And, it's also obvious which one you identify with.

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#125 Johe
October 15 2013, 09:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

C'mon man... you're harshing a sweet bummer narrative with your facts.

Don't you watch the game mathlete? And feel things about it?

Haha. Someone's gotta be positive- it's like a morgue operated by trolls in here.

And you know what, I do feel something watching the Oilers play: the feeling that this is a half-decent hockey team. The W/L column doesn't show it yet, but I honestly foresee good things coming our way. All the trash talk this team is getting right now can't sway my opinion. My eyes and my brain tell me that the Oil are making big strides. Keep the faith.

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#126 DSF
October 15 2013, 09:30PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

King records "scoring chances" not corsi (total shot attempts). But, yes Oil did win by his measure.

"Oilers outchance pens 19-15; 5-2 ST"

Holy cow!

How did they lose?

Maybe Pittsburgh has better players?

Who woulda thunk it?

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#127 Willi P
October 15 2013, 09:33PM
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K_Mart wrote:

.893 sv% from J.Lab.

Good game oil. That's 6 moral victories, woohoo! Imagine how good a real victory will feel.

And starting in net next game, Jordan Eberle. The kid was all world tonight and could have easily had multiple points. May as well shove him in net as well. What can't he do? He's better than hall IMO. Always has been, always will be.

Amen.

Trade Hall for a top 2 D, and a NHL goalie plus removing the entitled attitude from your team. Win, Win and Win

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#128 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:39PM
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DSF wrote:

I understand your nonsense just fine.

But it's still nonsense.

Toronto and the Oilers play very different systems despite Eeeekins lauding Carlyle as his mentor.

Obviously, one of them is right and the other is an idiot.

And, it's also obvious which one you identify with.

If you understand it... you should be able to get it right, no?

If you disavow it, fine. Then either argue against its merits, or ignore it.

But... to misunderstand something, misquote the game stat and then run away claiming it's all bogus is...

I don't know... hilarious?

ps. where did I mention Eakins or pit him against Carlyle, or call anyone an idiot? You've introduced this rabbit hole. It's all yours.

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#129 S cottV
October 15 2013, 09:45PM
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Wouldn't say Oilers lost due to poor goaltending. Awful coverage on Pens first goal. Puck got in behind on an excellent rush and tip by Crosby, which led to their second. Pens pp goal was a fluke. Lost because of the poor coverage on the first ga and failure to bury at least one of the 3 or 4 excellent chances Oilers had to score. Otherwise would have at least been on a position to win in OT or a shootout. Not fair to blame the goaltender.

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#130 S cottV
October 15 2013, 09:45PM
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Wouldn't say Oilers lost due to poor goaltending. Awful coverage on Pens first goal. Puck got in behind on an excellent rush and tip by Crosby, which led to their second. Pens pp goal was a fluke. Lost because of the poor coverage on the first ga and failure to bury at least one of the 3 or 4 excellent chances Oilers had to score. Otherwise would have at least been on a position to win in OT or a shootout. Not fair to blame the goaltender.

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#131 Dangilitis
October 15 2013, 09:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Do you think that's a good strategy? The Oilers have tried that for the last few years, and that got them diddly. If that is Carlyle's strategy, good luck with that.

So your glorious Wild team didn't play well tonight? Or are you just saying they didn't get quality chances to use for this argument, and then you are going to go back later and tell us what a great crew in Minnesota and how good they are at outshooting their opponents because it will then suit your argument in that instance.

You seem to enjoy year after year telling Oiler fans that they can't win when they are being outshot. So why didn't you come on this site to personally commend the Oilers for outshooting many of their opponents this year? Oh right, you're just on here to spew propaganda.

Is your head spinning with all the inconsistencies in your arguments? Are you so tired of arguing for the sake of arguing that you can't keep track of your points and when they contradict one another? You are the master hypocrite...

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#132 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:49PM
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Willi P wrote:

Amen.

Trade Hall for a top 2 D, and a NHL goalie plus removing the entitled attitude from your team. Win, Win and Win

Jesus H. Gord.

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#133 Ales Hallsky
October 15 2013, 09:50PM
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I delete my cookies just so I can trash a certain poster more than once. You know who you are...

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#134 jed
October 15 2013, 10:08PM
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Oilers loose to a team that does not play defence.

Perfect storm for the Oilers

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#135 Willi P
October 15 2013, 10:14PM
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jed wrote:

Oilers loose to a team that does not play defence.

Perfect storm for the Oilers

jed, FYI below;

Lose vs Loose

A lot of people are mixing up lose and loose. In particular, a lot of people are writing loose when they really mean lose. Here are the definitions of the two words from my Penguin dictionary:

loose [lOOs] adj not fastened or pre-packed; not tied up or confined; able to move freely; not tight, not firmly fixed; not close-fitting; careless, inaccurate, vague; dissolute, immoral; not closely woven; flabby; (of bowels) inclined to diarrhoea; l. box stable or van in which an animal can move about; at a l. end uncertain what to do next; unoccupied ~ loose adv in a loose way; play fast and l. behave rashly or unscupulously ~ loose n release; on the l. free from restraint; on a spree; ~ loose v/t untie, undo; release from confinement or constraint, set free; detatch; fire (gun); shoot (arrow); (eccles) absolve.

lose (p/t and p/part lost) [lOOz] v/t and i no longer have; be deprived of by accident or misfortune; mislay, fail to find; FAIL TO GET OR WIN; be too late for; be bereaved of; waste; be defeated or beaten; suffer loss, become worse off; fail to hear, see or understand; cause or allow to perish; (of clock or watch) go too slowly; (refl) miss the right path; become absorbed in; l. one's head become flustered, panic; l. one's temper grow angry; l. one's way fail to find the right path; l. out (US) be defeated after a struggle.

Examples:

This knot is too loose. Please do not lose my book. I had better not lose that file.

One way to remember the difference between the two words is to think that "lose has lost an 'o'".

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#136 Slats
October 15 2013, 10:30PM
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Willi P wrote:

Amen.

Trade Hall for a top 2 D, and a NHL goalie plus removing the entitled attitude from your team. Win, Win and Win

Not sure you saw this but if you read the Edm Journal about who should come out of the line-up for Yaks?

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/15/who-should-come-out-so-nail-yakupov-can-go-in/

If you take the poll - Hall comes in 2nd (200+ votes!). I know people think he's playing poorly with the giveaways but I think there is a real undercurrent against Hall from the fan base.

I wonder if Willis or Gregor would do one of those Game Vignets they did last year with a breakdown of Halls decisions during one game.

Tonight Hall was great (except for the 3rd period 2 on 1 with Ebs when he should have shot and instead he passed and was picked off) and I think was his best game to date.

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#137 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 15 2013, 10:36PM
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The players are having to make decisions and then react on the ice rather than just react. It'll take till about Christmas before everyone's finally on the same page.

Yakupov looked like a robot out there this evening. He never even got to any areas that would've lead to a scoring opportunity. Now they'll have one of their best players out there with zero confidence in the coming weeks. Puck you Eakins. Was your goal to turn Yakupov into a 10 goal scorer this season...

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#138 Willi P
October 15 2013, 10:44PM
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Slats wrote:

Not sure you saw this but if you read the Edm Journal about who should come out of the line-up for Yaks?

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/15/who-should-come-out-so-nail-yakupov-can-go-in/

If you take the poll - Hall comes in 2nd (200+ votes!). I know people think he's playing poorly with the giveaways but I think there is a real undercurrent against Hall from the fan base.

I wonder if Willis or Gregor would do one of those Game Vignets they did last year with a breakdown of Halls decisions during one game.

Tonight Hall was great (except for the 3rd period 2 on 1 with Ebs when he should have shot and instead he passed and was picked off) and I think was his best game to date.

Thanks for the reference, good read. As an interested observer, I have watched the progression of Hall and there is no doubt as to his talent however after watching him call out his coach (Kruger) last year, I have no doubt that both he and the team need a change. Not unlike the other “T” that was drafted number 2 the same year. Both players were given the “Silver Spoon” way too early and their entitlement attitude shows. The Oil could gain a significant needed return from Hall and I think this is exactly the type of bold move that Mr. MacT should make. Just my opinion though.

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#139 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 15 2013, 10:57PM
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Considering both teams are basically powder kegs right now. What would the Oilers have to give up to bring in Miller and Myers, Hemsky, Dubnyk and Klefbom?

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#140 Slats
October 15 2013, 11:12PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Considering both teams are basically powder kegs right now. What would the Oilers have to give up to bring in Miller and Myers, Hemsky, Dubnyk and Klefbom?

Im thinking younger and that is too much cap $.

More like Klefbom, Marincin/or 2nd Rounder and Dubi

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#141 Slats
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I think Hall is one of the best North-South players with speed in the NHL. It would be a BOLD MOVE by Mac T to move him . . . may be his last move.

I also think Hall would get more time and space if after he gets drilled into the boards (eg see what hapended on Crosby tonight everytime there was a response) that one of his teamates would respond. I think Hall would be a better team player as well as a result. Neither is happening though.

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October 15 2013, 11:22PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Considering both teams are basically powder kegs right now. What would the Oilers have to give up to bring in Miller and Myers, Hemsky, Dubnyk and Klefbom?

really? if you had miller and myers would you want those guys in return? dub-overpaid back up.hemsky-talented but overpaid and defensive liability. klef-unproven project/prospect.

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#143 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 15 2013, 11:39PM
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@TACOcurt wrote:

really? if you had miller and myers would you want those guys in return? dub-overpaid back up.hemsky-talented but overpaid and defensive liability. klef-unproven project/prospect.

Yeah, maybe you're right. They should thrown in Steve Ott as well. That would shore things up.

Buffalo would be looking to start from scratch again anyways. Who knows what their owner has in mind. I would do Yakupov and Dubnyk, for Miller, Myers and Ott.

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#144 Walter Sobchak
October 15 2013, 11:42PM
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Considering both teams are basically powder kegs right now. What would the Oilers have to give up to bring in Miller and Myers, Hemsky, Dubnyk and Klefbom?

If the Oilers are interested in Miller.

I think Miller accepts a trade to Edmonton, his wife is living in LA; the only two teams in the west in need of a goalie are the Oilers and Flames.

So I think a sign and trade could be worked out. The Sabers are rebuilding and will not want any salary coming back; I can the Sabers asking for the Oilers 1st, plus Klefbom or Marincin.

Oilers would have to drop Salary somewhere, just not sure where or who.

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#145 N4R
October 15 2013, 11:46PM
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Edmonton Oilers vs Pittsburgh Penguins (15.10.2013) http://prognoz-na-sport.info/news/skachat_match_edmonton_oilers_vs_pittsburgh_penguins_nhl_2013_2014_regular_season_15_10_2013/2013-10-16-6778

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October 15 2013, 11:55PM
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@Walter Sobchak

MacKenzie mentioned this evening, the Oilers are in on Ryan Miller.

What do you think of Yak and Dubnyk for Miller, Myers and Ott. Throw in Hemsky too if you have to. 12;ish going to Buffalo, and 14'ish coming back this way.

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#147 Butters
October 16 2013, 12:08AM
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Oh good, we are overvaluing Miller and he isn't even here yet.

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October 16 2013, 12:23AM
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with what the flames have in goalie prospects and the 2 European goalies they have the flames are in no need of a vetran goalie at this stage of their rebuild

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#149 Walter Sobchak
October 16 2013, 02:19AM
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MacKenzie mentioned this evening, the Oilers are in on Ryan Miller.

What do you think of Yak and Dubnyk for Miller, Myers and Ott. Throw in Hemsky too if you have to. 12;ish going to Buffalo, and 14'ish coming back this way.

Just my thoughts.

I don't think the Sabers would want Dubnyk back; the Sabers have Matt Hackett, small sample size but he’s doing very well in the AHL.

I also don’t think the Sabers give up on Myers, plus, Myers doesn’t really give the Oilers what they need, which is a true #1 defenseman.

I just don’t think the Oilers trade Yakupov.

With the Cap being an issue for the Oilers and Buffalo wanting picks and prospects, is it plausible the Oilers have seen enough of Arcobello to trade Gagner some where?

That’s the only trade I see that could eliminate some Cap space and get Miller.

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#150 Joy S. Lee
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Miller? The guy that throws his teammates under the bus?

Yeah, that's right, I think I heard it on Oil Change that character was among the most important characteristics of the players this team was looking for.

But Miller has been so....good? Um, hasn't he been playing like Dubnyk's early season effort, except for about a year and a half?

Probably since his teammates stopped caring about protecting him?

And we only have to give up what? A 1st overall pick, and stuff, to get him? Wow, this really is a no-brainer.

Ok, so I understand the draw. He has been all-world at one time in his career. But if we're giving up a 1st overall pick, you'd better damn-well make sure you're getting something of real value back. One way or another. REAL value, like a sure thing, because I can just about guarantee that first overall pick is going to be a helluva player, at the right time, in the right situation. As close to a sure thing as you're going to get, and that's why he was a #1 pick. You have to get a sure thing back, plus more. That's the only way you make any deal for a player of that magnitude.

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