GDB 7.0: IT DOESN'T GET EASIER

Jason Gregor
October 15 2013 11:59AM

Usually Oiler fans would be excited to watch the best player in the game, but the thought of Sidney Crosby shooting on Devan Dubnyk is frightening. The Pens are 3-0 at home and they've outscored the opposition 12-3. The Penguins skated into Florida last Friday and got waxed 6-3 by the Panthers, so don't expect the Penguins to take the struggling Oilers lightly.

Crosby is rolling with 5 goals and 9 points in 5 games. He is likely licking his chops in anticipation of facing the Oilers and their 4.83 GAA.

The great part about sports is that anything can happen. Most would predict an Oiler loss tonight, but once the puck drops anything can happen.

Maybe Devan Dubnyk suddenly finds his game. Stop chuckling, it is possible.

Maybe the Oilers stop turning the puck over at the offensive blueline, and chip it deep.

Maybe their PK gets some timely saves and some sticks in the lanes to break up passes.

Maybe Nail Yakupov shows Dallas Eakins he got the message and pots two goals.

Maybe the Oilers finally understand all the nuances of Eakins new system and play a sound defensive game.

They might need all of these maybes to happen in order to win, but if the Penguins can lose 6-3 to the Panthers the Oilers have a shot.

LINEUP

The Oilers didn't have a morning skate, but we will see some lineup changes.

Jesse Joensuu has been sent back to Edmonton to get an undisclosed injury looked at.

Ryan Jones was recalled from OKC, while Philip Larsen was sent down.

Yakupov will return to the lineup.

I'm guessing Jones will play on the 4th line in place of either Luke Gazdic or Mike Brown. Brown leads the team in hits, but isn't doing anything offensively. Gazdic is tougher, and he's been physical. Eakins believes you need to wear down the opposition physically, so maybe Brown stays while Gazdic sits. Pittsburgh doesn't have a bonafide heavyweight so Eakins could put Brown with Jones and hope they create something on the forecheck.

The top-nine could have numerous options. These are the top-nine forwards, but we likely won't know the lines until later today. This is what I would do:

LW                         C                       RW
Hall                    RNH                   Yakupov
Perron               Arcobello           Eberle
Smyth               Gordon               Hemsky
Jones                Acton                  Brown

It is a major risk to put Yakupov with RNH and Hall, because they've given up a lot of chances lately, but I'd still look at it.

Eberle and Perron had good chemistry in camp, and Arcobello seems to fit in well with Eberle.

You could go with a veteran line of Gordon, Smyth and Hemsky. Hemsky and Smyth know how to play with one another, and they should be reliable enough defensively.

Ultimately, I don't think it matters who plays with whom. Collectively the forwards need to be better away from the puck. Most of the guys are producing, and once Yakupov finds his offence this group will be fine. The key is which trio can find some defensive chemistry.

The blueline is struggling. J.Schultz looks lost, but he's only played 54 NHL games and he wasn't heralded as a defensive dynamo when they signed him. He will calm down and make smarter plays. Belov has been okay, but this team lacks a true top-pairing defender. Until they get one, they need their forwards to help them defensively. It is a must for this team to be competitive.

LOOKING AHEAD...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Hard to believe the Oilers can pull out a victory. They lose 3-2, but don't give up four goals for the first time all season. That will be a moral victory.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Crosby scores a PP goal in the first period.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Gordon scored 4 goals in 48 games last year, but he already has 4 this year. Craig Adams scored 3 goals in 48 games last year, but he already has 3 goals in 5 games. Gordon leads the Oilers in goals, while Adams is 2nd on the Penguins. Both of them continue their surprising starts and pick up a goal each. Both of them will score career highs in goals this season.

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#1 DSF
October 15 2013, 08:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

C'mon man... you're harshing a sweet bummer narrative with your facts.

Don't you watch the game mathlete? And feel things about it?

You've heard of score effects, right?

Even then, the Penguins outshot the Oilers 4-3 in the 3rd.

The Oilers were outshot by 6 in the game.

Over an 82 game season, that's 492 shots.

Can't win that way.

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#2 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 07:44PM
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In the third the pens smothered the oil like a baby in a crib.

Well-coached team beat a not so well coached team.

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#3 DSF
October 15 2013, 09:28PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ah. So you do partially understand scoring effects. Again, though they aren't period dependent, but score dependent. This shouldn't be so confusing.

BTW. We did outshoot them in the 3rd while trailing: 2-1.

That's a full doubling of the shots!

Over 82 games OMG!!!! can you imagine!!!

I love that you buy in to TOR's philosophy. awesome. Odd, though, shouldn't that mean that Oilers getting outshot is a good thing? hmmm... dance!

I understand your nonsense just fine.

But it's still nonsense.

Toronto and the Oilers play very different systems despite Eeeekins lauding Carlyle as his mentor.

Obviously, one of them is right and the other is an idiot.

And, it's also obvious which one you identify with.

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#4 DSF
October 15 2013, 09:30PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

King records "scoring chances" not corsi (total shot attempts). But, yes Oil did win by his measure.

"Oilers outchance pens 19-15; 5-2 ST"

Holy cow!

How did they lose?

Maybe Pittsburgh has better players?

Who woulda thunk it?

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#5 K_Mart
October 15 2013, 07:50PM
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.893 sv% from J.Lab.

Good game oil. That's 6 moral victories, woohoo! Imagine how good a real victory will feel.

And starting in net next game, Jordan Eberle. The kid was all world tonight and could have easily had multiple points. May as well shove him in net as well. What can't he do? He's better than hall IMO. Always has been, always will be.

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#6 DSF
October 15 2013, 08:56PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

That's not how score effects work. They aren't period dependent. They are score dependent. Being outshot in the 3rd is irrelevant to score effects.

That said, they lost the shots, corsi, fenwick and score effects in all cases war tonight. But not by much. To me at least, that was a real surprise. I expected the Pens to roll over this team. Didn't happen.

Just curious, if you abstract out the Leaves shot differential tonight over 82 games, how badly are they outshot?

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

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#7 madjam
October 15 2013, 09:09PM
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Just think if we had stellar goaltending to start the year we might be 6-1 rather than 1-5-1 . Can you imagine the confidence the team would have had if not for poor goaltending ? They are almost there and competitive enough for wins . Give us goaltending and we might find a lot of winning taking place . They appear to be fitting into the system even though I felt they would not benefit by it . The Crosby dive did us in tonite , and gave them the crucial game winning goal on the power play . We are a force to be reconned with , unfortuneatly we do not have the results to show it as yet . How's that for being positive ?

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#8 Willi P
October 15 2013, 09:33PM
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K_Mart wrote:

.893 sv% from J.Lab.

Good game oil. That's 6 moral victories, woohoo! Imagine how good a real victory will feel.

And starting in net next game, Jordan Eberle. The kid was all world tonight and could have easily had multiple points. May as well shove him in net as well. What can't he do? He's better than hall IMO. Always has been, always will be.

Amen.

Trade Hall for a top 2 D, and a NHL goalie plus removing the entitled attitude from your team. Win, Win and Win

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#9 Lober
October 15 2013, 09:06PM
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Enjoy the moral victories Edmonton its as good as its gonna get this year!

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#10 Ales Hallsky
October 15 2013, 09:50PM
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I delete my cookies just so I can trash a certain poster more than once. You know who you are...

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#11 Slats
October 15 2013, 08:41PM
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DSF wrote:

You've heard of score effects, right?

Even then, the Penguins outshot the Oilers 4-3 in the 3rd.

The Oilers were outshot by 6 in the game.

Over an 82 game season, that's 492 shots.

Can't win that way.

Even for you that stat was absolutely f^n incredible do you know Obama could use your help to spin a budget . . .awesome . . .just awesome.

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#12 DoubleJ
October 15 2013, 08:01PM
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The Oilers lose another game due to goaltending. He let in two soft goals. The Oilers are playing good. The goal tending is sad. Smid is the worse dman on the team. Which is sad because he's not paid like a number 7 dman. I wish the oil would have given Larsen a shot.

I hope the oil bring up Bachman to play in Long Island.

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#13 DSF
October 15 2013, 03:55PM
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Dave Lumley wrote:

If your predictions comes true, I will be forced to join the Dark Side (not sure what the "F" is for but I can imagine).

I am reluctantly waiting for the MacT rebuild to implode and the inevitable replacing of Dallas with Bucky. Wouldn't that be grand?

The KLowe rebuild had a such poor architect it actually left some hope when Tambellini took over. At least with the Tambellini rebuild my expectations were kept in check. The MacT rebuild built the expectation level so high that the crash is leaving me with a pit in my stomach, just like the WEM roller coaster when it hit the floor.

Team Quicksilver is looking better all the time. Not quite there yet but soon.

I've been saying for 4 years (often to much derision) that the Oilers need TWO top pairing defensemen, a big, talented #2 C (Galchenyuk anyone?) and an above average NHL goaltender.

They have none of the above and any fool can tell you good teams are built from the back end out and up the middle.

All the while, the Oilers brass continues to draft and develop scoring wingers, a passel of bottom 4 defensemen and fiddle around the edges of the bottom 6 forwards.

MacT seems to have no better grasp of this than his predecessors.

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#14 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 08:30PM
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Johe wrote:

On the other hand, Pittsburgh managed only four shots in the third against a team playing a back to back. Just sayin...

The lack of Pitt offense was on purpose. Even Crosby was dumping it in once he got past center. It wasn't even close. Their systems work with any moderately able player - heck three of their very best were hurt and they still didn't break a sweat in the third.

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#15 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 15 2013, 12:12PM
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It know being 5 games into the season may be a little soon to be concerned, but, there's little doubt that 4 or 5 pts could make a world of difference come April with this team. If that number gets to double digits, it could be lights out time in November.

5-2 Oilers on WTF night.

NSOGDP...Yakupov takes his hat trick puck and tosses it at Eakins, cutting him for 8 stitches.

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#16 Time Travelling Sean
October 15 2013, 01:56PM
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We will lose, Hall will fall face first into the boards and limp off and not return, Dubnyk will have a sub .750 SV% and LaBarbera, who replaces Dubnyk after his 6th goal allowed, will have a sub .675 SV% and let in 4 more.

Crosby will get 6 points, Marc-Andre Fleury will score on a Dubnyk miscue, and Malkin will make RNH look like a marionette and score.

We will not have 1 player better than -2, and when Gazdic challenges whoever he will lose at that too.

Dallas will then proceed to make his players power skate after the game for 30 minutes until Eberle passes out of exhaustion to which Eakins will say "He needs to work out more"

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#17 Reg Dunlop
October 15 2013, 06:11PM
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@Smokey

I heard that in Vancouver, Messier was pitching and Bure was catching but Katz has the cash. DJ, cue up 'We Are The Champions'.

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#18 oilman3
October 15 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Get off your high horse. The truth is Toronto is getting way more points than they deserve right now. 14 shots tonight? Yeah, they've got things figured out for sure. If their goalies don't stand on their heads, they lose. If it keeps going like this they will start to lose a lot of games. By the way, it's couldn't care less, not "could care less" smart guy.

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#19 Johe
October 15 2013, 09:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

C'mon man... you're harshing a sweet bummer narrative with your facts.

Don't you watch the game mathlete? And feel things about it?

Haha. Someone's gotta be positive- it's like a morgue operated by trolls in here.

And you know what, I do feel something watching the Oilers play: the feeling that this is a half-decent hockey team. The W/L column doesn't show it yet, but I honestly foresee good things coming our way. All the trash talk this team is getting right now can't sway my opinion. My eyes and my brain tell me that the Oil are making big strides. Keep the faith.

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#20 Walter Sobchak
October 15 2013, 04:04PM
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DSF wrote:

I've been saying for 4 years (often to much derision) that the Oilers need TWO top pairing defensemen, a big, talented #2 C (Galchenyuk anyone?) and an above average NHL goaltender.

They have none of the above and any fool can tell you good teams are built from the back end out and up the middle.

All the while, the Oilers brass continues to draft and develop scoring wingers, a passel of bottom 4 defensemen and fiddle around the edges of the bottom 6 forwards.

MacT seems to have no better grasp of this than his predecessors.

Come on man!

What do expect from a coach/GM that thinks Reasner is Sakic, Toby is a qualified PP specialist, Reddox just needed a "chance" would be the next Draper.

That Thorsen just needed top six minutes! That Brodziak wouldn't amount to much and a coach who thought Ethan would be a great captain!!

FML!

This team is run by ass clowns, I can honestly hear the music when they sit together in the booth.

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#21 2004Z06
October 15 2013, 07:42PM
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Played a good game tonight against a very good team. Played physical, battled and ran into a hot goalie. No complaints tonight. If they play like that every night and get a decent goaltending effort, they will be ok.

Please no to Miller. He is a FA at the end of this year. I would trade a prospect and a pick to St.Louis for Elliot.

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#22 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 09:02PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Exactly right - just as a team that's losing often has more hits than the other team - they are the ones without the puck.

The pens did nt give a rats a$$ about shots in the last period - they had the lead and they had a system that kept that lead. And Eakins had not counter.

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#23 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
October 15 2013, 12:50PM
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Great picture Gregor

Evangeline Lily, YUM

Top ten of all time

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#24 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 01:07PM
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Logically a GDP of 6-3 pens is the answer.

But my gut says the oil win 5-2. The pens are vulnerable - the panthers proved it.

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#25 Dave Lumley
October 15 2013, 03:44PM
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DSF wrote:

"Malkin Night in Pennsylvania"

7-3 Penguins

If your predictions comes true, I will be forced to join the Dark Side (not sure what the "F" is for but I can imagine).

I am reluctantly waiting for the MacT rebuild to implode and the inevitable replacing of Dallas with Bucky. Wouldn't that be grand?

The KLowe rebuild had a such poor architect it actually left some hope when Tambellini took over. At least with the Tambellini rebuild my expectations were kept in check. The MacT rebuild built the expectation level so high that the crash is leaving me with a pit in my stomach, just like the WEM roller coaster when it hit the floor.

Team Quicksilver is looking better all the time. Not quite there yet but soon.

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#26 Reg Dunlop
October 15 2013, 04:53PM
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DSF wrote:

I've been saying for 4 years (often to much derision) that the Oilers need TWO top pairing defensemen, a big, talented #2 C (Galchenyuk anyone?) and an above average NHL goaltender.

They have none of the above and any fool can tell you good teams are built from the back end out and up the middle.

All the while, the Oilers brass continues to draft and develop scoring wingers, a passel of bottom 4 defensemen and fiddle around the edges of the bottom 6 forwards.

MacT seems to have no better grasp of this than his predecessors.

So, you've been criticizing the oil for 4 years 'often to much derision'? Actually it has ALWAYS been to much derision.

I am done with grinding the gears on the oil. Dubby turns the corner tonight and Mark Arc continues to show he belongs. Oil start a modest win streak tonight, against all odds. 3-2 for the blue and orange; welcome back comrade Yakupov.

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#27 Reg Dunlop
October 15 2013, 05:47PM
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Smokey wrote:

The Moose is in the luxury box with Silver Fox and Suckburger . What does that mean?

I'm not sure what I would feel about Messier joining the Oilers staff, I personally would have no problem with him standing behind the bench eating chips and calling people pylons for a few games. However its time to end this old boys club nonsense.

Messier may be hired as the oil's NYC representative, nothing else. No way he returns to the hinterland. His ranger cup apparently means more to him than 5 cups won in the boondocks.

I guess it is always possible he could be hired to do a lap dance for Katz.

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#28 bwar
October 15 2013, 08:53PM
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It just seems like the players just don't give a fist on a lot of the plays.

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#29 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

A team trailing in the 3rd period typically outshoots their opponent.

The Oilers didn't.

The Pens just shut the door.

The Leafs have a different philosophy.

Carlyle could care less if his team is outshot. He preaches letting the opponent take all their shots from the outside and all he cares about is quality scoring chances.

Considering the Leafs have the best record in the NHL, it appears he may be on to something but that would leave all you Corsi acolytes gasping for air.

Ah. So you do partially understand scoring effects. Again, though they aren't period dependent, but score dependent. This shouldn't be so confusing.

BTW. We did outshoot them in the 3rd while trailing: 2-1.

That's a full doubling of the shots!

Over 82 games OMG!!!! can you imagine!!!

I love that you buy in to TOR's philosophy. awesome. Odd, though, shouldn't that mean that Oilers getting outshot is a good thing? hmmm... dance!

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#30 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:39PM
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DSF wrote:

I understand your nonsense just fine.

But it's still nonsense.

Toronto and the Oilers play very different systems despite Eeeekins lauding Carlyle as his mentor.

Obviously, one of them is right and the other is an idiot.

And, it's also obvious which one you identify with.

If you understand it... you should be able to get it right, no?

If you disavow it, fine. Then either argue against its merits, or ignore it.

But... to misunderstand something, misquote the game stat and then run away claiming it's all bogus is...

I don't know... hilarious?

ps. where did I mention Eakins or pit him against Carlyle, or call anyone an idiot? You've introduced this rabbit hole. It's all yours.

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#31 S cottV
October 15 2013, 09:45PM
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Wouldn't say Oilers lost due to poor goaltending. Awful coverage on Pens first goal. Puck got in behind on an excellent rush and tip by Crosby, which led to their second. Pens pp goal was a fluke. Lost because of the poor coverage on the first ga and failure to bury at least one of the 3 or 4 excellent chances Oilers had to score. Otherwise would have at least been on a position to win in OT or a shootout. Not fair to blame the goaltender.

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#32 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 09:49PM
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Willi P wrote:

Amen.

Trade Hall for a top 2 D, and a NHL goalie plus removing the entitled attitude from your team. Win, Win and Win

Jesus H. Gord.

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#33 jed
October 15 2013, 10:08PM
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Oilers loose to a team that does not play defence.

Perfect storm for the Oilers

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#34 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 15 2013, 10:36PM
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The players are having to make decisions and then react on the ice rather than just react. It'll take till about Christmas before everyone's finally on the same page.

Yakupov looked like a robot out there this evening. He never even got to any areas that would've lead to a scoring opportunity. Now they'll have one of their best players out there with zero confidence in the coming weeks. Puck you Eakins. Was your goal to turn Yakupov into a 10 goal scorer this season...

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#35 mlcsellil
October 15 2013, 12:36PM
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Tonight is the night the Oil shock the league. DD will stop a puck.

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#36 loweblows
October 15 2013, 12:50PM
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My gameday prediction. DD will stop every shot he faces. Unfortunately he wont be facing the 6 he lets in. Oilers lose 6-0. Diehard Oiler fan here but don't see much hope.

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#37 He Who Knows
October 15 2013, 01:02PM
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This organization is looking real bad at the moment. Clearly the team is not built right. The rebuild has been completed faster in other organizations without a plethora of high draft picks. Alarming to say the least and patience is no longer acceptable.

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#38 DSF
October 15 2013, 03:21PM
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"Malkin Night in Pennsylvania"

7-3 Penguins

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#39 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 04:53PM
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I'd happily take Thoresen as our 4C. Said so all summer:

http://en.khl.ru/stat/leaders/244/pts/

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#40 gregolas
October 15 2013, 04:55PM
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@Spoils

NO.

ARCOBELLO's GOTZ TA GO! HE'S GOT TO GO.

as james franco would say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07sactDEKU

Acton is a rock solid 4C. Does everything that's asked of him.

we can't have anymore of Arcobellos soft play and turnovers with NO finish when he has 80% empty nets to shoot at in close range...

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#41 gregolas
October 15 2013, 05:04PM
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K, Hyperbole on that stat.

He really can't finish though. We desperately need SamWise back.

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#42 Alsker
October 15 2013, 05:27PM
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Nice setup for Schultz, take note Mr.Yak, passings not a bad idea.

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#43 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 07:29PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

And that is how MacT has made a hash of it - no cap room means no flexibility - having to trade junk for junk.

not only is this team much better without SMac and Gazdic, it's more flexible.

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#44 Serious Gord
October 15 2013, 08:58PM
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Buff beat nyi tonight (buff now has four points). Perhaps next game will be a breakthrough for EDM. Perhaps not.

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#45 Cynic
October 15 2013, 09:18PM
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I heard the Oilers beat the Pens in Dennis King's Corsi Sledgehammer. So you've got that going for you....

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#46 Willi P
October 15 2013, 10:44PM
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Slats wrote:

Not sure you saw this but if you read the Edm Journal about who should come out of the line-up for Yaks?

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/15/who-should-come-out-so-nail-yakupov-can-go-in/

If you take the poll - Hall comes in 2nd (200+ votes!). I know people think he's playing poorly with the giveaways but I think there is a real undercurrent against Hall from the fan base.

I wonder if Willis or Gregor would do one of those Game Vignets they did last year with a breakdown of Halls decisions during one game.

Tonight Hall was great (except for the 3rd period 2 on 1 with Ebs when he should have shot and instead he passed and was picked off) and I think was his best game to date.

Thanks for the reference, good read. As an interested observer, I have watched the progression of Hall and there is no doubt as to his talent however after watching him call out his coach (Kruger) last year, I have no doubt that both he and the team need a change. Not unlike the other “T” that was drafted number 2 the same year. Both players were given the “Silver Spoon” way too early and their entitlement attitude shows. The Oil could gain a significant needed return from Hall and I think this is exactly the type of bold move that Mr. MacT should make. Just my opinion though.

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#47 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 15 2013, 12:12PM
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"Maybe the Oilers stop turning the puck over at the offensive blueline, and chip it deep."

Like the former, not so much the latter. So far this season, the Oil have been much better at skating and passing out of the zone with possession. Excepting a few massive blunders (see Smid last night on the 4x4), this is best medicine and the numbers reflect that it's been working (for the most part).

The guy has a hilarious name, it's fun to say and I've gotten confused about its spelling more than once... finally looked it up... it's spelled GAZDIC.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8473989

I'll still probably get it wrong, though.

I think tonight we see a repeat of the Van game. You can't outplay all the other teams and our team (as vastly improved as it is) is still only average to slightly above average. We're going to take a pounding on occasion and tonight's the night.

I'd expect us to get massively outshot and the goaltending to continue to suffer. Suddenly everyone pretending corsi isn't real will be quoting it to prove how bad we are.

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#48 VK63
October 15 2013, 12:44PM
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Sam Reinhart looks good!!

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#49 oilersplumber
October 15 2013, 06:34PM
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@jt in Oilertown

TSN reporting (Bob Mckenzie) that Oilers are in Ryan Miller talks now.

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#50 oilersplumber
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You guys that keep whining about the old boys club..........fascinating.....does the name Steinbrenner ring a bell ? or the Wirtz family or the whats the name of that family that runs the Steelers......would the Canadiens paint over their dressing room ?.......wtf people.

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