Goalie In, Young Gun Out?

Jonathan Willis
October 16 2013 08:21AM

 

If TSN's top duo of Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are to be believed, Craig MacTavish is taking measured action in response to the Oilers' troubles early: assessing the trade market for goalies but not on the verge of making a deal. 

In the TSN story, McKenzie says that MacTavish has been working the phones since at least the weekend, scouring the league for available goaltenders and determining the cost of them. He also indicates that a deal likely isn't imminent, because teams don't like making moves this early. Dreger adds that Buffalo probably doesn't want to move Miller before Christmas and opines that "the Oilers are getting to the point where they realize they're going to have to give up one of their young guns."

The Goalies

There really isn't much surprise on the goaltending angle. 

First, MacTavish trying to get a read on who is available and what it might take to land them is an intelligent response to what has happened in Edmonton's net so far. Both NHL goalies have struggled. The third-stringer, Richard Bachman, has been impressive in Oklahoma City but his prior career makes him an uncertain option long-term. There's a decent chance that Devan Dubnyk responds if given a little more rope, particularly since this kind of four-game stretch isn't unheard of - even for good goaltenders. But the preparatory work needs to be done so that if the struggles continue a move can be made with no time lost.

Second, it isn't shocking that NHL teams are reluctant to deal goalies right now. What applies to Dubnyk (that he's been bad, but over too short a span to write him off) applies broadly across the league. Even teams getting strong performances early need to be wary; they might find themselves making a trade and then having nowhere to go when a hot streak ends.

The Young Gun

The question with Dreger's comment is how much of it is informed by knowledge of the inner workings of the Oilers' brain-trust and how much is his own read on the situation. 

As I see it, there is no pressing salary cap need for Edmonton to dump one of its young stars, and despite the strength at right wing there is no real place where positional constraints are going to force a move. Where it might make sense is if the price of acquiring a desperately needed piece at another position (read: a top defenceman in the prime of his career) is the trade of a young forward. Depending on the specifics, that might be a trade that makes the Oilers a better team, a case of moving strength for weakness rather than hastily mortgaging the future. 

The math on that trade always works out the same way. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is out; without him the Oilers don't have a top centre. Taylor Hall is out; without him the Oilers' left wing depth chart looks terrible. Sam Gagner is out; he just signed a deal with a no-trade understanding and he's hurt anyway. Justin Schultz is likely out, because defence is the position the Oilers need the most help at and there's still reason to hope Schultz can evolve into a player effective at both ends of the rink (he's 23 years old and has yet to play his 100th professional game).

If one of the young forwards is out, the position to move is right wing; that's the only place where there are two guys currently/likely to evolve into first line players. As a secondary point, it's also the only place where the number three man on the depth chart looks like he could be a pretty nice fit in the second slot for the next few years. If the Oilers are making a top forward for top defenceman swap, it's almost certainly Jordan Eberle or Nail Yakupov leaving town.

But nothing in the TSN report indicates such a move is imminent; McKenzie doesn't talk about it at all and it's a sure thing that Edmonton isn't moving an Eberle or a Yakupov for a mediocre goaltender or a pending UFA, the two descriptors that fit all the players actually mentioned by name in the report.

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#51 DSF
October 16 2013, 10:45AM
Trash it!
25
trashes
+1
7
props
ghostofberanek wrote:

So Igor Kravchuk is the authority on who's valuable and who's not now?

I'm sure he knows a thing or two about hockey.

His assessment of Yak's game sounds pretty accurate to me and, based on him being benched for two games, it appears his NHL coach agrees.

Do you disagree?

Avatar
#52 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 16 2013, 10:47AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
17
props

These two items really ought to be disassociated.

There's no way a team is trading a star forward for a G. History shows this never happens. Besides, the options being discussed aren't near worth that price and it's highly unlikely a team offloading right now wants to take on salary.

1. The Goalie search is due diligence after the start. But the "nothing imminent" is a good sign. The percentages should rebound (they may not, but they should).

2. shopping a young star F only makes sense for a top 2 D under contract long term in their mid-20s. anything else is crazy.

I agree if something is done, it's Yak or Ebs and probably Ebs. But the most likely solution to this non-problem is trading Hemsky at the deadline or riding him into the late season and losing him to free agency.

Avatar
#53 james_dean
October 16 2013, 10:47AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
9
props

Oiler fans are crazy about hockey and thats fine.

Just dont run anyone having a hard time out of town

Ie Poti Arnott

Deep breath... Count to ten

Could throw pit cannon in same category

Avatar
#54 Bloodsweatandoil
October 16 2013, 10:51AM
Trash it!
16
trashes
+1
5
props

I wish they would just do what it takes already! When teams do not win, changes are always imminent.Again,the Oilers were not supposed to be crappy this year,but unforseen bad goaltending and a new coach with awkward philosphies have sent us south spiralling fast. I blame the new coach for the mess of our top two lines and I blame the management for our goaltending woes. It has generally been accepted that in the last 3 years, Dubnyk has been allowed to let in those one or two soft goals per game;and that Hall, Eberle, Nugent Hopkins, MPS, Hemsky, Horcoff and now Yakupov will make up those goals against with goals for. Combined with that truth, is another issue of sub-par defense. My point is,that the more things have seemed to change, they have only stayed the same for the last 3 years and have gotten worse fast. Management have put themselves in the corner with this neverending rebuild and the only way out is to trade the unthinkable for the proper pieces. I for one, am tired of waiting...Oilers! Sh%t or get off the pot!!!!

Avatar
#55 oilers2k10
October 16 2013, 10:54AM
Trash it!
4
trashes
+1
41
props

Yakupov has 31 pts in 53 games in the NHL. About the same pace that most 1st overalls score at in their first 80 or so games..

He's exactly the type of Sniper Oilers have needed for years, but now that the Oilers have one fans aren't able to put up with the time it takes for the player to find his game.

He's not Stamkos, not Mogilny, not Bure, he's not Kovalchuk...yet. Just like those players, Yakupov will take a little time to get there, if Oilers fans can wait it'll be worth it, then we'll have one of a kind on this time, if not..go ahead trade him but you'll be sorry..bigtime. 40 plus goal scorers dont come around very often..Yakupov could very likely be one very soon.

Patience people.

Avatar
#56 misfit
October 16 2013, 10:59AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
+1
14
props

"If TSN's top duo of Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are to be believed..."

When is Dreger ever to be believed? The guy is an absolute joke of a "hockey insider". With that said, McKenzie is the best in the business, and it's very reasonable to believe MacT is making calls on goaltenders. I think most would have assumed that's happening already even if nothing was said. I mean, he looked all offseason for goaltending and I can't imagine anything that's happened on the ice so far has made him think it's less of a concern now.

Avatar
#57 ghostofberanek
October 16 2013, 11:00AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
32
props
DSF wrote:

I'm sure he knows a thing or two about hockey.

His assessment of Yak's game sounds pretty accurate to me and, based on him being benched for two games, it appears his NHL coach agrees.

Do you disagree?

I disagree, only for the reason that every 19 year old hockey player needs to learn a thing or two before they reach their full potential. It's ridiculous to suggest that Yakupov won't be a star because a scout doesn't like things about his game. He can skate like the wind, he's got a hard, accurate shot and he works hard on his game all the time. Being benched means nothing at this point of his career.

Good Grief.

Avatar
#59 Racki
October 16 2013, 11:01AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
11
props

Odd that questions of Yak being a team guy aren't really there last year.

Avatar
#60 vetinari
October 16 2013, 11:04AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
14
props
james_dean wrote:

Oiler fans are crazy about hockey and thats fine.

Just dont run anyone having a hard time out of town

Ie Poti Arnott

Deep breath... Count to ten

Could throw pit cannon in same category

I had to read your comment out loud three times before I figured out that the "auto correct" monster must have changed "Pitkanen" to "pit cannon" in your post.

Avatar
#61 oilers2k10
October 16 2013, 11:04AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
22
props
ghostofberanek wrote:

I disagree, only for the reason that every 19 year old hockey player needs to learn a thing or two before they reach their full potential. It's ridiculous to suggest that Yakupov won't be a star because a scout doesn't like things about his game. He can skate like the wind, he's got a hard, accurate shot and he works hard on his game all the time. Being benched means nothing at this point of his career.

Good Grief.

Perfectly put..

Most NHL veterans can only dream of having the skating, shooting, puckhandling and passing ability of Yakupov, no matter how much they practice their skills they will never get to where Yakupov is at 19 yrs old. Yakupov is willing to work on the rest of his game, he's not even fighting it, he wants to improve but at 19 he's simply not there yet.

A few years of patience will pay off.

Avatar
#62 james_dean
October 16 2013, 11:05AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
28
props

We have two types of oilersnation readers....

Avatar
#63 filthymotherpucker
October 16 2013, 11:09AM
Trash it!
52
trashes
+1
2
props

Need to trade yak now before he loses his value. Package him up with next years first and a dece prospect. Mac t needs to bring in some intangibles. Talk to Philly/ holmgren they are always up for a deal. Couturier, Simmonds, and l schenn. Maybe by then our tending will pick up. Fingers crossed.

Avatar
#64 james_dean
October 16 2013, 11:10AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
5
props

@vetinari

Thats what mact called him.

On a side note its nice watching #27 skate hard

Signed Typical oilers homer

"but I want us to win now mom"

Avatar
#65 pchan121
October 16 2013, 11:13AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
0
props

sophmore slump curse?!?!?!?

Avatar
#66 Rama Lama
October 16 2013, 11:14AM
Trash it!
8
trashes
+1
6
props

I think at this stage putting Dubnyk back in net will achieve nothing.........he needs some steady playing time and the logical place for him to find his timing would be on the farm.

I'm not sure this is possible given his contract, but putting him back in net for the Oilers and having a bad goal early may sink any confidence he has left. At this stage trading for a goalie and defenseman would be foolish.........every GM smells blood and would take advantage of situation.

We played a much better game against the Penguins.........I hope this continues a win could change everything. I think eventually that Eakins will have to address how effective the SWARM is in the NHL and make some changes. I for one refuse to believe that five of our top players had their skill eroded over one season........there has to be a more logical explanation.

Dallas may be a fitness fanatic and that has been well received by the media.......but his actual coaching skills are subject to more scrutiny than he has received so far.

Avatar
#67 pkam
October 16 2013, 11:15AM
Trash it!
17
trashes
+1
2
props

If we are willing to give up one of young kids for a goalie, I'll will not consider Miller.

Why not talk to the Devils, start the negotiation with Yak and Dubnyk for Schneider and a 2nd/3rd in 2014. Devils get a sniper that they desperate need and an average goalie. Sounds like win-win to me.

If it work out, not only do we get Schneider at the end, it would be fun to watch Gillis response when we play the Canucks.

Avatar
#68 Spydyr
October 16 2013, 11:16AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
5
props
james_dean wrote:

Thats what mact called him.

On a side note its nice watching #27 skate hard

Signed Typical oilers homer

"but I want us to win now mom"

Win now???

It has been seven long years outside the playoffs.

Is it too much for a fan to ask that his team at least try to get to the playoffs?

Avatar
#69 David S
October 16 2013, 11:18AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
7
props
Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

These two items really ought to be disassociated.

There's no way a team is trading a star forward for a G. History shows this never happens. Besides, the options being discussed aren't near worth that price and it's highly unlikely a team offloading right now wants to take on salary.

1. The Goalie search is due diligence after the start. But the "nothing imminent" is a good sign. The percentages should rebound (they may not, but they should).

2. shopping a young star F only makes sense for a top 2 D under contract long term in their mid-20s. anything else is crazy.

I agree if something is done, it's Yak or Ebs and probably Ebs. But the most likely solution to this non-problem is trading Hemsky at the deadline or riding him into the late season and losing him to free agency.

If I had to bet between the two I'd pick Yak. Eberle and Hall work together as a unit and are best of friends. Getting rid of Ebs would significantly affect Hall. Don't disregard Hall's opinion here. If he wants Ebs to stay it'll have alot of sway in the conversation.

Too bad because I truly believe Yakupov and Gagner could be our second dynamic pair if they were just able to spend some time together.

Avatar
#71 pkam
October 16 2013, 11:23AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
2
props
Rama Lama wrote:

I think at this stage putting Dubnyk back in net will achieve nothing.........he needs some steady playing time and the logical place for him to find his timing would be on the farm.

I'm not sure this is possible given his contract, but putting him back in net for the Oilers and having a bad goal early may sink any confidence he has left. At this stage trading for a goalie and defenseman would be foolish.........every GM smells blood and would take advantage of situation.

We played a much better game against the Penguins.........I hope this continues a win could change everything. I think eventually that Eakins will have to address how effective the SWARM is in the NHL and make some changes. I for one refuse to believe that five of our top players had their skill eroded over one season........there has to be a more logical explanation.

Dallas may be a fitness fanatic and that has been well received by the media.......but his actual coaching skills are subject to more scrutiny than he has received so far.

There is no guarantee that he won't get a bad goal early in the farm, isn't it? So what if he get a bad goal early in the farm? Will it hurt even more?

The goalie coach and Dubnyk himself should know what the problem is. If they don't, then we have a bigger problem than 4 bad performance. They have to work it out and return to the ice when Dubnyk is ready.

Avatar
#72 Hinter
October 16 2013, 11:24AM
Trash it!
8
trashes
+1
2
props

@Spydyr

The way they are playing it might be 7 more years before this team has a chance at playoffs. I love my Oilers but there is a breaking point, things are not looking good. Oilers need three things, Bigger players, Defence and a goaltender who can stop all the soft garbage goals.

Avatar
#73 book¡e
October 16 2013, 11:25AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
18
props
DSF wrote:

I'm sure he knows a thing or two about hockey.

His assessment of Yak's game sounds pretty accurate to me and, based on him being benched for two games, it appears his NHL coach agrees.

Do you disagree?

Kravchuk's comments say the following. IF he doesn't listen to the coach and change his game, he has not future. IF he does listen to his coach and adapts he has a future.

Kravchuk does NOT indicate what he thinks Yakupov will do.

This seems like a pretty innocuous statement to be making a big deal of.

Avatar
#74 DSF
October 16 2013, 11:28AM
Trash it!
22
trashes
+1
2
props
Jonathan Willis wrote:

Should I go find an audio clip of somebody explaining that Hall's crap because he makes too many turnovers?

Here's the thing: young players look brilliant sometimes. They look like crap other times. Yakupov's had a poor start to the season, and he's been healthy-scratched; guess which swing we're in.

The alarming thing about Kravchuk's comment is his assessment that Yak has zero defense and his unwillingness to use his line mates....exactly what Eakins is seeing.

If you watch last night's game, you'll see plenty of both.

Of course Yak could change his game but so far it seems he's not getting the message.

Avatar
#75 Spydyr
October 16 2013, 11:32AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
+1
2
props
Hinter wrote:

The way they are playing it might be 7 more years before this team has a chance at playoffs. I love my Oilers but there is a breaking point, things are not looking good. Oilers need three things, Bigger players, Defence and a goaltender who can stop all the soft garbage goals.

Funny how just about everyone on this site know that but the Oilers "braintrust" cannot make it happen.

Only two answers either incompetence or a tank job. It was an obvious tank job for the three number ones. What is it now?

Avatar
#76 MessyEH!
October 16 2013, 11:33AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
14
props

I wouldn't trade anyone yet. Give it 15 more games. The fact is we need a #1d. Not a goalie.

Avatar
#77 Spydyr
October 16 2013, 11:34AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
13
props
MessyEH! wrote:

I wouldn't trade anyone yet. Give it 15 more games. The fact is we need a #1d. Not a goalie.

They need both.

Avatar
#78 mlcsellil
October 16 2013, 11:37AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
8
props

Henry Lundquist, Mike Smith, Jonathon Quick, and Ryan Miller are some of the other goalies around the league that has been getting lit up too. As rotten as we all agree that our goalies has been performing, it seems that several teams have the same problem. It could be that a lot of the guys are getting use to new equipment,or that it is still early in the season and they're just off to a slow and painful start. As desperate as the Oilers are to win, I would not sacrifice any of our young guns. I'd be willing to give up picks and prospects for a goalie, (however I'd be interested in one of the Ducks tenders) and I would have my scouts scouring Europe.

Avatar
#79 Boourns99
October 16 2013, 11:39AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
5
props

@Jonathan Willis

I recognize that you have to give up quality to get quality - my question here (all kidding aside) is would Ebs be tradeable at $6M per? A lot of GMs see that as pretty rich for a 23 yr old (personally - I think these contracts will prove to be some of the few genius moves by Tambo).

I'm shocked Yak's name keeps coming up - he is a kid with less than 70 games experience and has scored like Hall did with WAY better minutes. This kid could be a dynamo - and trading him now would be insane. There is no chance you win that trade.

Avatar
#80 Mikey
October 16 2013, 11:41AM
Trash it!
8
trashes
+1
1
props
Rama Lama wrote:

I think at this stage putting Dubnyk back in net will achieve nothing.........he needs some steady playing time and the logical place for him to find his timing would be on the farm.

I'm not sure this is possible given his contract, but putting him back in net for the Oilers and having a bad goal early may sink any confidence he has left. At this stage trading for a goalie and defenseman would be foolish.........every GM smells blood and would take advantage of situation.

We played a much better game against the Penguins.........I hope this continues a win could change everything. I think eventually that Eakins will have to address how effective the SWARM is in the NHL and make some changes. I for one refuse to believe that five of our top players had their skill eroded over one season........there has to be a more logical explanation.

Dallas may be a fitness fanatic and that has been well received by the media.......but his actual coaching skills are subject to more scrutiny than he has received so far.

Right and the little fact he would have to go threw waiver.

I wonder if it is a coincidence that Fluery is PIT goalie, Fluery saw a therapizt, Dubnyk didn't play in PIT, Dubnyk zaw Fluery therapizt?

I purpozly left in zpelling mistake and didn't pluralize anything, zo zomeone could attack me. I am bored.

Avatar
#81 madjam
October 16 2013, 11:41AM
Trash it!
7
trashes
+1
4
props

This goes back to GM thinking he had done enough to fill roster from within , and the premature movement of Nurse back to junior before he got a 9 game stint . Why magnify things worse by dealing away prematurely our youth ? Our new green Gm is struggling just like our new system and coaches . Lets not react in a harmful way here .

Avatar
#82 Danger Pay
October 16 2013, 11:44AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
16
props

I think we can all agree that the Oilers were not going to Contend for the Cup this year. Sure the expectations have grown but prior to opening night all the experts had the Oilers missing the post season. Stay the course and don't buy into the media hype/rumors. All I've heard is either Yakupov or Eberle to the Leafs for Reimer or Gardiner? Yeah that might be a great story to write about and would help the Leafs but that does not make sense to me at all.

Stay the course and start adding some defence (Nurse is on the way) and goaltending (we landed Kujo and Roloson in the past) to compliment our amazing top 6. A top 6 BTW the Oilers have wanted and needed for a long time now. Unless it is some crazy deal like Yakupov for Seth Jones or a team's current #1 goalie, trading any our young future studs (especially for another teams backup goalie?) as a knee jerk to a tough start, would reek of desperation and would ultimately hurt the franchise. Let other teams, their fans and the media Keep Dreaming about adding one of our studs to their team.

Avatar
#83 Mikey
October 16 2013, 11:49AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
23
props
DSF wrote:

The alarming thing about Kravchuk's comment is his assessment that Yak has zero defense and his unwillingness to use his line mates....exactly what Eakins is seeing.

If you watch last night's game, you'll see plenty of both.

Of course Yak could change his game but so far it seems he's not getting the message.

Right, you do realize he has only played 55 or so games?

What do coaches say? I mean good coaches. "You can teach defense, but you can't teach offense."

In recent history I can think of two Russians (we will go with them becuase thats what Yak is) Ovechkin and Kovolchuk. Both of them, in their younger years had an issue with ______?

Answer: Using their linemates and playing D.

What did both of them eventually start doing?

Answer: They both started to use linemates more and back check more.

CRAZY!

Give the kid some time before you give up on him, like you did with Schultz, who you said would be a lock to sign in VAN. And Eakins, who you said would be a lock to sign in VAN.

Avatar
#84 DoubleA
October 16 2013, 11:53AM
Trash it!
19
trashes
+1
2
props

Sign Dipietro cheap and see what happens on a new team

Avatar
#85 TM8Trent
October 16 2013, 11:54AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
11
props

It's time to call up Mr. Bachman. He can't be any worse than DD is currently playing and if nothing else, I just want to hear Takin' Care of Business as he leads the Oilers through the derrick

Avatar
#86 DSF
October 16 2013, 12:03PM
Trash it!
25
trashes
+1
0
props
Mikey wrote:

Right, you do realize he has only played 55 or so games?

What do coaches say? I mean good coaches. "You can teach defense, but you can't teach offense."

In recent history I can think of two Russians (we will go with them becuase thats what Yak is) Ovechkin and Kovolchuk. Both of them, in their younger years had an issue with ______?

Answer: Using their linemates and playing D.

What did both of them eventually start doing?

Answer: They both started to use linemates more and back check more.

CRAZY!

Give the kid some time before you give up on him, like you did with Schultz, who you said would be a lock to sign in VAN. And Eakins, who you said would be a lock to sign in VAN.

You can only teach something if the student is paying attention.

Avatar
#87 andrewmk20
October 16 2013, 12:03PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
+1
1
props

@Jonathan Willis

Do you think Ryan Miller is a viable candidate as a solution to Edmonton's problems if Dubnyk goes Steve Mason on the Oilers?

Avatar
#88 Mikey
October 16 2013, 12:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
13
props
DSF wrote:

You can only teach something if the student is paying attention.

So from 55 games, a benching, and two quotes, you can tell that he isn't going to listen?

You are smart!

Avatar
#90 Serious Gord
October 16 2013, 12:19PM
Trash it!
10
trashes
+1
6
props

Fans need to keep their eye on the ball.

1. It should never ever have come to this. Hemsky should have been dealt before he was signed to that ridiculous contract. Ditto Sam gagner to make room for the fleet of #1s the oil picked up. Both of those moves were not made because of management loyalties in spite of the good hockey sense both moves made. Couple that with resting all hope on dubnyk despite ample proof that he was not as good as his stats indicated.

2. We now have a coach who was hired without a proper search and who we are now stuck with who implements unorthodox defensive and other tactics that no one else in the league uses. This is not a team that should be experimenting with coaching styles (deepak Krueger proved that) yet oiler management couldn't stand having a prominent coach who wasn't part of the circle of friends, come in to run this team in a conventional, proven manner.

3. The weaknesses of this team are extensive and deep. Fixing them by dealing one of the bright lights in mid-season (with zero cap room to work with) is a fools game that will cost far more in the long run than the short term results it delivers. Unless the short term result desired is to save your job - which it clearly is for KLowe and MacT and now, Eakins.

So as much as I understand that fans want action. They need to stay focused on one thing: The CUP. And inaction now regarding the roster gets us closer to that goal.

Action that removes the rotting pieces of sycophantic fruit that is oiler management - that a failed season will impel their removal - is the route to take to shorten the time and blood and sweat required to win the CUP.

So stop clamouring for a trade and start howling for the termination of Kevin Lowe's employment as president of hockey ops. NOW IS THE TIME to apply pressure on Katz.

Avatar
#91 pkam
October 16 2013, 12:20PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
3
props
Mikey wrote:

So from 55 games, a benching, and two quotes, you can tell that he isn't going to listen?

You are smart!

You are underestimating DSF. He is much smarter than you think.

He knew that Yak wasn't going to listen the minutes Tambo picked him, long before the 55 games and the benching.

Avatar
#92 Loweblows
October 16 2013, 12:21PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
+1
1
props
Oil4Life wrote:

Stoked to see the next game. played really well in the last one. maybe Dubby will have his head on straight and start playing like we all know he can.

Cheering for the oilers is for people who like self inflicted pain....love your optimism......start DD next game....GO OILERS ...ouch

Avatar
#93 Bleak Winter
October 16 2013, 12:22PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
4
props

I don't get it. We've sucked for long stretches at a time in every other season in recent memory, it's just right now we've got a stat that singles out one player in particular.

Every time you make a move in a position like this, the other GM's just bend you over and show you who's boss. You want that lesson to be at the cost of one of your elite?

Honestly, unless you can magic Lundqvist out of New York you don't pony up Yak or Ebs. If we have to fix this with a reactionary move, the best thing to do would be to sign Bryzgalov and pray. Everything else is just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks too, but at least signing Bryz wouldn't have a long term potential downside.

Avatar
#94 James Fowler
October 16 2013, 12:23PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
2
props
PSinghBSc wrote:

I'm quite concerned with all of this talk of moving Yak or Ebs. We all want to win now but systems take time to develop. I hope MacT doesn't press the panic button on a aging goalie on the backend of his prime to salvage a season. We have been rebuilding for ages, hate to lose talent like Yak or Ebs. Top 6 forwards are hard to come by.

How long does it take to rebuild though? You guys have had four years of 1ST overall picks and still cant put it together? I mean correct me if i'm wrong but can't you understand peoples frustrations?

Avatar
#95 Spoils
October 16 2013, 12:27PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
19
props

I honestly don't really care if we make the playoffs this year. We aren't winning the cup. We might win the cup in 3 years - meaning not only are we not in a rush to make a BOLD move for a goalie, we are better off waiting.

possible to do a 9th overall pick = corey schneider level.

I say wait for the market to swing towards the supply side, then make a move.

last thought - the best chance to get MORE than one cup is for the embarrassment of riches scenario - meaning Nurse/Klef pay off, and we don't trade our stars.

feels like the world is doing everything to try and get us to admit we can't have it all. we are so close - let's not throw away that dream yet.

darkest before the dawn as they say

Avatar
#96 oilerman53
October 16 2013, 12:30PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
+1
2
props

With teams like Nashville and St Louis practically rolling out starting goalies. You gotta wonder about the goalie development in Edmonton. Our last true blue number one in house starter was who? Bill Ranford? Odds are there should have been a gem in there somewhere like a Brian Elliott or Craig Anderson. Are we not seeing these potential prospects or not paying enough attention to the goalie development process?

Dubnyk was chosen over Deslauriers but hes clearly lost in the starting role. The Oilers should have found a diamond in the rough by now after all of these years. If there is another side to this tale its Edmonton needs to pay more attention to the goalie system right from draft to development.

Avatar
#97 Rama Lama
October 16 2013, 12:38PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
+1
3
props
Serious Gord wrote:

Fans need to keep their eye on the ball.

1. It should never ever have come to this. Hemsky should have been dealt before he was signed to that ridiculous contract. Ditto Sam gagner to make room for the fleet of #1s the oil picked up. Both of those moves were not made because of management loyalties in spite of the good hockey sense both moves made. Couple that with resting all hope on dubnyk despite ample proof that he was not as good as his stats indicated.

2. We now have a coach who was hired without a proper search and who we are now stuck with who implements unorthodox defensive and other tactics that no one else in the league uses. This is not a team that should be experimenting with coaching styles (deepak Krueger proved that) yet oiler management couldn't stand having a prominent coach who wasn't part of the circle of friends, come in to run this team in a conventional, proven manner.

3. The weaknesses of this team are extensive and deep. Fixing them by dealing one of the bright lights in mid-season (with zero cap room to work with) is a fools game that will cost far more in the long run than the short term results it delivers. Unless the short term result desired is to save your job - which it clearly is for KLowe and MacT and now, Eakins.

So as much as I understand that fans want action. They need to stay focused on one thing: The CUP. And inaction now regarding the roster gets us closer to that goal.

Action that removes the rotting pieces of sycophantic fruit that is oiler management - that a failed season will impel their removal - is the route to take to shorten the time and blood and sweat required to win the CUP.

So stop clamouring for a trade and start howling for the termination of Kevin Lowe's employment as president of hockey ops. NOW IS THE TIME to apply pressure on Katz.

Well put!

Eventually the tide will turn and all eyes will be where they belong........on Eakins and his unorthodox systems. I like the man but trying systems that are NOT regularly employed in the NHL is highly questionable.

I think Eakins should be in charge of player development, but coaching is a whole different thing. I think that he is figuring this out..........NHL players are too good to fall for the swarm as well as the opposition coaches who have made us pay.

Goaltending aside, we need a re-think before it is too late.

Avatar
#98 pkam
October 16 2013, 12:39PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
0
props
oilerman53 wrote:

With teams like Nashville and St Louis practically rolling out starting goalies. You gotta wonder about the goalie development in Edmonton. Our last true blue number one in house starter was who? Bill Ranford? Odds are there should have been a gem in there somewhere like a Brian Elliott or Craig Anderson. Are we not seeing these potential prospects or not paying enough attention to the goalie development process?

Dubnyk was chosen over Deslauriers but hes clearly lost in the starting role. The Oilers should have found a diamond in the rough by now after all of these years. If there is another side to this tale its Edmonton needs to pay more attention to the goalie system right from draft to development.

Talking about development, do we even have a farm before 2010?

Avatar
#99 madjam
October 16 2013, 12:50PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
+1
4
props
pchan121 wrote:

sophmore slump curse?!?!?!?

No , it is more rookie mistakes by green GM and Coaches .

Avatar
#100 ed in edmonton
October 16 2013, 12:57PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
+1
4
props
Serious Gord wrote:

Fans need to keep their eye on the ball.

1. It should never ever have come to this. Hemsky should have been dealt before he was signed to that ridiculous contract. Ditto Sam gagner to make room for the fleet of #1s the oil picked up. Both of those moves were not made because of management loyalties in spite of the good hockey sense both moves made. Couple that with resting all hope on dubnyk despite ample proof that he was not as good as his stats indicated.

2. We now have a coach who was hired without a proper search and who we are now stuck with who implements unorthodox defensive and other tactics that no one else in the league uses. This is not a team that should be experimenting with coaching styles (deepak Krueger proved that) yet oiler management couldn't stand having a prominent coach who wasn't part of the circle of friends, come in to run this team in a conventional, proven manner.

3. The weaknesses of this team are extensive and deep. Fixing them by dealing one of the bright lights in mid-season (with zero cap room to work with) is a fools game that will cost far more in the long run than the short term results it delivers. Unless the short term result desired is to save your job - which it clearly is for KLowe and MacT and now, Eakins.

So as much as I understand that fans want action. They need to stay focused on one thing: The CUP. And inaction now regarding the roster gets us closer to that goal.

Action that removes the rotting pieces of sycophantic fruit that is oiler management - that a failed season will impel their removal - is the route to take to shorten the time and blood and sweat required to win the CUP.

So stop clamouring for a trade and start howling for the termination of Kevin Lowe's employment as president of hockey ops. NOW IS THE TIME to apply pressure on Katz.

As usual you bring up a number of interesting points, however.

1. Cicra 2010 the Oil has both Penner and Hemsky as underperforming assets that both likely had trade value. Hemsky injured his shoulder (as usual) just before the trade deadline and Penner ended up being traded. I often wonder if Hmesky had done the unexpected and not get injured, if a different result may have occurred. I said at the time that 5$million for Hemsky was a gross overpay and have seen nothing to change my mind. Having said all that I don't see how buying him out last summer would have helped the Oil this year. You are taking a huge risk in buying him out on speculation that you will find something better to do with the money, there are no guarantees when signing FAs.

2. Its hard to fault Eakins. Other than in goal the Oil are playing much better this year. I grant that the jury is still out on the swarm defence, but other than in goal the Oil are playing better than they did last year.

3. Every journey starts with a single step, so if they can address a need one at a time why not? Isn't that how the Leafs rebuild has progressed far outpacing the Oil?

Comments are closed for this article.