NOT THE RIGHT MIX....

Jason Gregor
October 18 2013 02:00PM

A 1-6-1 start for the Oilers doesn't inspire much confidence in Oilesnation. Why should it? Are the Oilers as bad as their record? I don't think so. Are they a playoff calibre team? I didn't think they were before the season, and they don't look like one now.

I recognize it is only eight games, but until Craig MacTavish makes a few more changes this team won't be a true contender. I don't expect him to be able to make all these moves instantly, but hopefully the Oilers recognize their deficiencies. This team isn't built to be a winner, and even if some fans or members or the team don't want to hear it, this team is still four of five key pieces away from being a legitimate contender.

I've said it for three years that this team isn't hard to play against, and four years later they still aren't hard to play against. They are getting better, mainly because Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle invoke fear in the opposition.

But you can't win with all young, skilled players who lack size.

MacTavish clearly won the David Perron for Magnus Paajarvi trade. Not just because Perron has more skill, but because he competes harder shift to shift. The Oilers need more of that. Perron is an upgrade over Paajarvi. You can't expect MacTavish to win every trade outright, however, so his next moves will need to be about making the overall makeup of his team better.

Last March I wrote, 

The way I see it the Oilers will end up moving two, likely three players amongst Hemsky, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi and Nail Yakupov in the next 18-14 months. You might not like that reality, but I don't see any other way this team will be able to improve and afford their lineup if they don't make those types of moves. 

There is a good chance that the Oilers trade those guys and they put up decent numbers on another team, and likely more than the players coming to Edmonton, but that doesn't mean the Oilers will lose those trades. If they acquire a strong, steady top-pairing defenceman that should make them more competitive.

If they acquire a skilled forward who plays physical, scores, is a good puck retriever and goes to the net that will make them better. The Oilers will still have three very good skilled players remaining, in Hall, RNH and Eberle and one of 64, 89, 91 and 83. 

Paajarvi has already been moved, and I honestly believe that deal was for two reasons. First off, because Perron is better, but also because he gives them another skilled-winger, and that would allow MacTavish to deal one of his skilled right wingers for either a solid D-man, or big, skilled forward.

All of you are emotionally invested in the Oilers. You watch every game, read as much info on the Oilers as you can, comment on this site and you call in or listen to TSN 1260 regularly. You are extremely passionate about the Oilers. The past four years you've watched the Oilers tank it, and the only hope you were given was that Hall, RNH, Yakupov and Eberle would eventually lead this team to the playoffs.

You believed it, and when someone mentions trading one of the young forwards, I completely understand the instinct to say, "shut the hell up."

How could the Oilers deal one of the key pieces, a player you've been told would help the Oilers return to the playoffs?

It's natural to not want to move them.

Most will say trade Hemsky or Gagner before moving any of the Fab Four. That makes sense, but neither of those two will garner the type of player the Oilers need to become a top contender.

The only way the Oilers can acquire a significant piece is to trade one of their key kids. It sucks, but I believe that is the reality that MacTavish faces.

NO NEED TO RUSH...

I'm not suggesting MacTavish make this move next week in an attempt to salvage this season. The last thing he should do is make a move from a position of weakness or from desperation. However, he has to recognize this type of trade is necessary if the Oilers ever plan on returning to the postseason.

The Oilers will start winning, maybe not as often as you'd hope, but I'd be willing to bet they don't go 1-6-1 during any other 8-game stretch this season.

This team has talent, but they have too much similar talent.

They need some reliable, veteran forwards who are skilled enough to play in their top-six. You can't expect the kids to learn from each other.

Boyd Gordon has been a solid addition. He plays hard and he knows his role. His offensive outburst has been a major bonus, but I don't expect him to score 20 goals this season, or next. He's never been that type of player. They need to find a reliable, cagey veteran like Gordon, but who has the skills to play top-six minutes.

The Oilers need a true top-pairing defender, a player who is 24-27 years of age with at least four years of NHL experience.

The Oilers can't expect Darnell Nurse or Oscar Klefbom to jump into the NHL and be that guy. They need to have a guy who those two can learn from; a guy who can make their transition to the NHL easier. The only way I see the Oilers acquiring said player is by moving Yakupov or Eberle. I don't see them moving Hall or Nugent-Hopkins.

If I had to choose I'd move Yakupov.

He's a former first overall pick who has only played 54 NHL games. He's only 20 years of age. Of course there will be a risk in moving him, but he'd also garner a solid return. He very likely could become a 40-goal scorer on another team, but the Oilers don't need more offence. They need different types of offence. The Oilers skilled players are all similar, and they need to add a different element into their top-six.

They need more solid two-way players. They need a solid top-pairing defender. They need some skilled size in their top-six. Until they acquire that, I don't see them winning regularly.

The Oilers might eventually win with Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins as their four key forwards, but how long will it take to fill in the other key holes on the blueline and within the forward group? Two years, four years or five years?

MacTavish shouldn't rush into a trade, but I believe the organization has to look at the big picture and face reality that one of those four, likely a right winger, will need to be moved in order for this team to acquire the other key pieces that are lacking to achieve a winning formula.

QUICK HITS...

  • Mark Arcobello is making the most of his NHL opportunity. He has eight assists in eight games. The points are great, but I've been most impressed by his hockey sense. He makes a lot of smart plays with and without the puck. It is only eight games, so we'll need to see him play more to get an accurate assessment, but he's been very impressive.
     
  • Sam Gagner got the green light to take part in contact drills. He joined the Oilers in Ottawa and could return to the lineup within a week. When he comes back, I'm curious to see what Eakins does with Arcobello. It is hard to imagine he'll come out of the lineup.
     
  • The Corsi crowd has quieted down significantly. If I'm calculating this correctly, and I easily could not be, the Oilers as a team are around -30 in Corsi. (Updated correct number.) Only Eberle and Arcobello are above 50%. This team still has lots of work to do at ES. They are improving, but they have a ways to go.

     
  • The Oilers might have won the game if their PP was able to convert on one of the three consecutive PP chances in the 2nd period. They had excellent puck movement, but couldn't finish. It's been that type of year so far for the Oilers. When PP is going, the goaltending struggles. Last night it was the opposite.
     
  • Denis Grebeshkov has been recalled after playing three games in OKC. I suspect you will see him in the lineup tomorrow vs. the Sens. The Oilers have lost five in a row, and resting/sitting one of the D-men would make sense.
     
  • Eakins will try Yakupov on the left wing and put Perron on the right side. His reasoning for moving Yakupov is that he'll get more pucks to the net instead of always having puck exposed to middle on his off wing, and I'm guessing it is the same for Perron. Both of them were playing on their off wings.  So the top two lines for tomorrow will be:

    Yakupov-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Arcobello-Perron
     
  • The Oilers PK continues to give up too many great chances. The Oilers have allowed a PP goal in every game this season. Their franchise record is 14 consecutive games set between November 20th to December18th, 2003. Thanks to Elias Sports Bureau for getting me that answer. 

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#51 They're $hittie
October 18 2013, 03:58PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

I think Eberle brings you the biggest return, with the lowest risk.

He's Hemsky 5 years ago. Highly hyped, has produced enough for people to believe the hype. And would sell alot of tickets and jerseys.

But he is not going to improve from where he is now.

Now Eberle is only the 3rd or 4th best player on the Oilers, but would be heralded as the saviour of whatever east coast team he was traded to.

thank you for summarizing and simplifying what I was trying to say. Spot on. But If we dont trade him we will have to live with a deteriorating value. I am fine with that. I like Eberle, but reasonable expectations and the need to mix it up suggest he is the one.

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#52 borisnikov
October 18 2013, 02:31PM
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Gregor, What site are you getting your Corsi # from?

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#53 NJ
October 18 2013, 02:32PM
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Jason: I've mentioned it before but wonder weed what your thoughts are. Any chance of a Seth Jones for Yak trade? Seems Nashville could use the offense and have a plethora of good D men. I don't know that we get a #1 d man unless we get him young, (like Yak is) and wait for the development. I also don't know that anyone in the system including Nurse Klefbom is a bonafide #1.

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#54 Big Cap
October 18 2013, 02:56PM
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Clayton wrote:

If we can put together a deal to get Staal at center or a player like him for Gagner and a pick or a prospect in OKC, Yak and N Schultz for a top D man like a Weber, and maybe JSchultz for a genuine number 1 goalie... might take another player to make room for salary and to make it happen. If we can do that and also find a way to get a mean forechecker to play top 6 mins for Hemsky... none of this happens... then we have a contender. Add Nurse down the road and let Klefbom get better we will be good for years.

Exactly.

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#55 fig pucker
October 18 2013, 03:02PM
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bwar wrote:

Who are earth is going to trade away a legitimate #1D? I would trade any of the young guns for a true #1 D-man but I just don't think that trade is out there.

pick four guys weber, suttor, pieterangelo, doughty. make phone calls and start kicking tires. ya it's along shot, but if gretzky taught us anything it's that no trade is impossible and no one is untouchable. yes we will have to pay dearly for such a trade, but what's the alternative? as the article eluded to we have lot's of the same kind of player (small, skilled forwards) we drafted them because they where the best player available, and that makes sense only if your going to use some of these peices to get what we need (top pairing d man, a great goalie). it's time managment starts making moves or all these great draft picks will have gone to waste.

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#56 Glenn Schwarz
October 18 2013, 03:36PM
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from Philly beat guy. Yak, Hemmer, Duby, Smid for Brayden Schenn, simmonds, Emery, Coburn now thats a BOLD trade I'd do that trade in a NY second

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#57 HOFFFF
October 18 2013, 10:37PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm sure they mentioned very similar concerns about Coffey, Kurri, Messier, Anderson and Gretzky back in the day as well. Large(Terry Jones) called the whole works of them weak kneed whimps back in 81 or 82.

Maybe we should wait a couple more years before we decide to write 4,14,19,64 and 93 off. It could be worth the wait like it was the last time. Who has the wisdom to prove this isn't the case?

Tsk Tsk Jason. They are building a new facility to accommodate all the new banners that will go up because of these kids you know.

I agree! Amazing....we only have these guys for a couple years and we are ready to ship them out? We don't even know what we have yet.

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#58 Benny Botts
October 18 2013, 02:36PM
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I agree a 100% with moving one of the kids and my choice would be Yak. You have to give something valuable to get something valuable. IMO,a big reason this team is 1-6-1 is their goaltending but special teams on both sides of the puck have been awful. I think...and hope, if they can sure up the PK,PP, and get a key save here and there, we will start seeing some more W's.

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#59 Racki
October 18 2013, 02:41PM
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Smokey wrote:

I thought the same about Arco, just that the guys unreal on the dot. You could maybe get your "Bishop," that way.

I wonder how much of that is Arco and how much is an improved team focus on face offs. Might be all on Arco though.

I see a lot of thumbs downs for my post. Lol

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#60 bdiddy18
October 18 2013, 03:03PM
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Yakopov - Hemsky - Petry

for

Coubourn - Simmonds - Couterier

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#61 Big Cap
October 18 2013, 03:09PM
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fig pucker wrote:

pick four guys weber, suttor, pieterangelo, doughty. make phone calls and start kicking tires. ya it's along shot, but if gretzky taught us anything it's that no trade is impossible and no one is untouchable. yes we will have to pay dearly for such a trade, but what's the alternative? as the article eluded to we have lot's of the same kind of player (small, skilled forwards) we drafted them because they where the best player available, and that makes sense only if your going to use some of these peices to get what we need (top pairing d man, a great goalie). it's time managment starts making moves or all these great draft picks will have gone to waste.

Exactly.

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#62 morgie
October 18 2013, 07:02PM
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** wrote:

add a unicorn on the 4th line and the team's all set!!!

THAT was sweet LOL

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#63 Copper
October 18 2013, 07:53PM
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Yet again more Jason Negative.

Mix not right you bet. Oliers have no NHL players on the 4th line and lack 2?? 3rd liners. That is FAR more of an issue than 6ft 200 lbs forwards they have now. No support.

Yes Perron is a better player than Paaravi but, McT over paid. Blues had cap issues and they could have done an offer sheet for Stewart for a 1st + 3rd. Peron wasn't wanted by the organization, fans or local media. How is that a win?

You spew about Oilers being to small but never give an example of an opposing player 1 inch taller cost the goal against. You've had former players tell you the Oilers issue is bottom 6 but, your blinded by size. Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov & Perron are all different players, only thing in common are they the approx size.

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#64 morgie
October 18 2013, 07:59PM
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K_Mart wrote:

Jason, you're right that this team doesn't have the right mix, and that all small offensive skilled players is not going to win.

A great example of how overvalued offense can be is found in Tampa. They had the #1 and #2 point producers in the entire league last year and still missed the playoffs, by a large margin.

But I'm still not a believer that we NEED more size and physicality in our top six. We just need more versatility. Our size is a little under the average, but not much. Hall, Hemsky, and Nuge are all 6ft+ and the younger two are still filling out. I'd actually say hall pretty damn big right now. Yak looks like his build will be similar to that of Crosby's and I don't think his size is an issue either. Ebs is also slippery enough that his size really doesn't hurt him offensively either.

My issue with our mix is how we play when the other team gains our zone with puck control.

I've heard you talk about playing a 200ft game, and that, to me, is the key. When our top guys get the puck in transition or in the neutral zone I have no issue with their size. They are effective and rarely seem to be at a disadvantage because of their size(by my eye). My issue is their inability to retrieve the puck when they don't have it, or shutdown pressure in their own end. Sure size can help a team get the puck back, but it is SOOO hard to acquire, and far from the most important part of puck retrieval. What about having a good stick and smart defensive play. Something the whole team lacks(except Gordon, Petry, Smid, Nultz, Belov,and Perron). Although none of those guys are marquee 200ft guys. It'd be nice if Belov becomes that, but he's already pretty developed and I don't see that happening.

So yes this team needs a different mix, but it doesn't have to be an injection of size and physicality. That would be nice, but is so difficult to acquire, i wouldn't count on it. The oilers need to be better when the puck is on the stick of the opposition. Hall, Ebs, Gags, Jultz, Nuge, and Yak all need to take notes from guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Toews, Crosby, Backes, P.Bergeron, O'Reilly etc... All top two way forwards.

I think that Dallas has put a ton of emphasis on puck retrieval, especially in our own end. It's clear right now that most of our players are lost and really struggling to figure out the ins and outs of the system. Heck, I doubt many fans can tell what the coach is asking of the players based on the chaos that has taken place in our end. Regardless, I'm hopeful that he can teach these kids how to get the puck back quickly, and I'm hopeful that they can learn it.

As an Oiler fan, I'm tired of watching our team set a league record every year for defensive breakdowns. It's time we started making it difficult for opposing teams to sustain pressure against us.

GETTING THE PUCK BACK AFTER LOSING IT. THAT IS THE BIGGEST ELEMENT MISSING IN THIS TEAM'S GAME RIGHT NOW.

I'm not sure the current roster is capable of fixing that problem on their own, all from within the dressing room, but I'm hopeful.

Hopeful is right!

Great premise, and some have the skill to be so effective with their stick, but few players can do it, size is superior with skill

Take a look at these players you listed:

take notes from guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Toews, Crosby, Backes, P.Bergeron, O'Reilly etc... All top two way forwards.

Well Datsyuk and Zetterberg are borderline size with incredible skill and determination so maybe some oilers can duplicate, but don't they assume they can

Hossa, Toews, Backes, those are big men dude!

Crosby plays big and p bergeron is borderline

size doesn't matter? you mentioned 3 big guys as comparable?

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#65 Copper
October 18 2013, 08:13PM
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Jeff wrote:

COACHING.....

COACHING.....

COACHING........

This is poor that we are pointed every other direction and not even having a coversation about the coaching.

Again cannot stress this enough, the coach is responsible for the PK, defense, the line up, the offense, the forecheck.

I agree the players must execute, however their needs to be a synergy between them and right now there is common ground on anything.

I am not asking to run the coach out of town, however not to have a discussion about the methods right now is poor.

Agree. AHL coach v NHL coach.

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#66 spliff
October 18 2013, 09:02PM
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Maybe KLoser should hit the "reset button."

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#67 Zarny
October 18 2013, 09:04PM
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Great article. 100% bang on. I've been saying this for awhile. Who doesn't see it?

Winning is about the right mix of players. You have to be able to win the dirty games. To win the Cup, you need players who can physically match-up against guys like Chara, Weber, Suter, Getzlaf, Thornton, Perry etc over four 7 game series.

Hall-Nuge-Eberle Perron-Gagner-Yakupov

By far the smallest top 6 F in the league. Two need to be up-sized; which means two need to be moved.

I'm sure Perron and Gagner top most lists. Hall is the only name I wouldn't move. Yakupov has merit but I think you have to explore all options. The players the Oilers need is a very short list. And with big C like Getzlaf, Perry, Toews etc in the West Nuge might be the guy I move.

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#68 Smokey
October 18 2013, 02:20PM
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Racki wrote:

I've been leading the charge on moving a young skill guy (I pick Yakupov, just because the other top 3 fit in very well) for a #1D. Also, I wondered if we could pass off Arco as a gem.. Sell high ... Think Matt Read or Cory Conacher (without the goals though) if this hot streak keeps going. Yes, he fits in super well, but is he irreplaceable? No. Can we fool some teams into thinking he's a lower end star? Maybe. Maybe him and the 2nd would have gotten you Bishop over Conacher plus TB 's fourth, for example (if this hot streak happened last year) .

I thought the same about Arco, just that the guys unreal on the dot. You could maybe get your "Bishop," that way.

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#69 borisnikov
October 18 2013, 02:35PM
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According to Extraskater.com they are -18 (311/329) in total 5v5 events. 48.6%

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#70 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 18 2013, 02:40PM
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I have to say, I'm loving the look of those two lines.

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#71 Smokey
October 18 2013, 02:42PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Im sorry I know I am going to get trashes for this but; (and I love eberle and don't want to trade him)

Eberle is not the player and is not going to be consistently the player he was two years ago. He can be a better all around player but I just don't notice him on the ice as much this year or last as you did the year before. He is not a 6 million dollar player. If a winger is making that much he better be a consistent 30-40-70 guy. And even if he is there is it the Kunitz effect? Is he really the one doing the work or along for the ride? So as I see it we have a terrific three and not a fab four. (sorry eberle fans). If he was a center you would really see the short comings in his physical and defesnive games, and he would not be scoring at that rate.

This is also the best time to trade him as he has a Canadian Charisma. There is a love affair with this player that tends to overvalue him. That being said his value is extremely high. IF you trade him and not yakupov than you ultimately maximize a value that is likely to deter and you defer the 6M that eberle is getting back a few years to yakupov.

The only other options is to get rid of the rest of the old. Petry and Smid are decent but need to be traded for something, as well as nick Shultz. Hemsky, a useful player also has to go. If your going to change the guard do it. Don't change the bottom half of the roster that barely has consequence on the game and call it a day.

I really want to keep all these young forwards, but Eberles contract and temporary high value is what the oilers would need to do to maximize the value of one of there assets. Trading Yakupov with all the negative around him right now will not fetch what he is worth.

Sorry Wayne,

Emotions aside, reality needed.

EDIT: I was the first one to trash this, two; I dont see why people thing Eberle Nuge and Hall have chemistry. It is two elite and one good player. Does Burrows have Chemistry with Sedins or is he leaching off of them. Wait until Yaks third year and play him there and see the results.

The two constants on this team are Eberle and Hall, together they are dynamic.

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#72 Oiler63
October 18 2013, 02:58PM
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Maybe MacT does know what he's doing. Remember in the pre-season he said he's done with centre position and everybody is screaming and crying? Guys turned out to be ok.

Another thought, if Seth Jones turned out to be exactly what everyone thinks he is, would that make Nashville want to dump Weber and his contract?

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#73 wayne bond
October 18 2013, 04:25PM
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OOPS! Oil lose again! OOPS! Could have had Schneider or Luongo last summer.

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#74 madjam
October 18 2013, 05:20PM
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They should restart and reassess the rebuild . I'd like to start with Ristolainen and Seth Jones to compliment Nurse for next season . A goalie will come by trade deadline or UFA for next season . I'd currently explore options on J.Schultz , Hemsky and even possibly Gagner and Yakupov . Hall, Hopkins and Eberle are doing worse than diminutive Arcobello at 1/6th the price . Maybe entertain offers for them as well ? Lots we can move , but what do Oilers want is the question in return . We are an early seller , which is good/preferable in a lot of cases .

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#75 Geoff
October 18 2013, 11:56PM
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Zarny wrote:

Great article. 100% bang on. I've been saying this for awhile. Who doesn't see it?

Winning is about the right mix of players. You have to be able to win the dirty games. To win the Cup, you need players who can physically match-up against guys like Chara, Weber, Suter, Getzlaf, Thornton, Perry etc over four 7 game series.

Hall-Nuge-Eberle Perron-Gagner-Yakupov

By far the smallest top 6 F in the league. Two need to be up-sized; which means two need to be moved.

I'm sure Perron and Gagner top most lists. Hall is the only name I wouldn't move. Yakupov has merit but I think you have to explore all options. The players the Oilers need is a very short list. And with big C like Getzlaf, Perry, Toews etc in the West Nuge might be the guy I move.

The problem with our top is isn't that they are the smallest its that they PLAY like the smallest in the NHL. They are getting better though.

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#76 Danger Pay
October 19 2013, 02:00AM
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Whoah...Gregor, you just like, ...blowed up mind bro.

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#77 Clayton
October 18 2013, 02:47PM
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If we can put together a deal to get Staal at center or a player like him for Gagner and a pick or a prospect in OKC, Yak and N Schultz for a top D man like a Weber, and maybe JSchultz for a genuine number 1 goalie... might take another player to make room for salary and to make it happen. If we can do that and also find a way to get a mean forechecker to play top 6 mins for Hemsky... none of this happens... then we have a contender. Add Nurse down the road and let Klefbom get better we will be good for years.

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#78 seanjohn667
October 18 2013, 02:55PM
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thank you Gregor for this.

as you said, fans invested in this Fab 4(5) don't want to face reality - that this team can not improve without sacrificing on of wunderkids. I, too have Hall and RNH as the only untouchable pieces. Even J. Schultz can be moved for the right return. think about it, would a Yak-J.Schultz package yield? I suggest that it could allow Mact to completely change the makeup of the team.

there is no reason to just keep this Fab 5 core together in this unfounded belief that it will just grow into a contended. They have not displayed a shred of proof that that will happen and the evidence to not believe in this core is mounting. I say trade, not 1, but 2 of the 5.

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#79 Rama Lama
October 18 2013, 04:36PM
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You brought up at least a million topics in this article..........most are relevant. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on new personnel and how they will be utilized.

I for one am starting to think our issues are not as dire as the stats indicate ( we have been in every game so far except one) but more to do with player utilization issues.

It seems to me there is no structure that the players can easily understand and execute. The swarm is a mess in all three zones, our PP has gone to the dogs, the PK is frankly laughable and goaltending is suspect at best.

I's surprised that Eakins has not dressed Dubby as a forward........but I don't want to give him any ideas.

The professional writer have been kind to Eakins so far.......I suspect this will end soon enough but if he has Gazdic playing on the PP don't be alarmed.

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#81 Papamike
October 18 2013, 04:44PM
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While I usually agree with JG, I have to disagree with this statement..... He very likely could become a 40-goal scorer on another team, but the Oilers don't need more offence.

I feel that is exactly what the Oilers need is that, more offense. Forget the GAA and just outscore the opposition. 2 goals per game will not win in this league. Run and gun, but I am old and remember the old days...way more exiting than today.

Just my two cents....

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#82 Rod from Viking
October 18 2013, 06:15PM
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Naky wrote:

Would just like to remind the arm-chair GMs that Gagner has a NTC. It's not officially in place for this year, but there's a gentleman's agreement to uphold it and they will. There's a very good reason why he got it, which I will not get into since it's the players personal life, but he needed the two year minimum.

That is very true but Sam might welcome a trade to a team in the east,they have to trade one of their small skilled players or I am going to have to keep living in the 80's when the Oilers, Eskimos and Blue Jays were great.

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#83 Naky
October 18 2013, 06:43PM
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@Rod from viking

No, I very much doubt he would welcome a trade to the east. He needed the two year NTC because he needed to stay here for at least two years and required the assurance that he would be. I even have my doubts that he would waive it even if he was guaranteed to go to the eventual Cup winner.

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#84 morgie
October 18 2013, 07:21PM
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Kyle wrote:

The Oilers will not be trading any of the fab four. Schultz will be locked up this summer and Yak next summer. It may not be the right thing to do, but it's the safe thing to do. MacT will not allow his legacy to be trading the next Ovechkin (I know that's a big stretch, but I'm making a point). This year's UFA market looks promising for the Oilers. Hemsky and Smyth will be off the books and the cap is on the way up. I'd hate to see us miss the playoffs again this year, but realistically we weren't getting out of the first round anyways.

Probably the best course considering our start, what's the rush there's only next year LOL

but seriously unless they hit a home run with a trade now they're most likely not making playoffs, let alone going far in them (dreaming)

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#85 madjam
October 18 2013, 08:30PM
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How many of us would give a crap about the Oilers if our Football team was victorious the last few seasons ? I think Oilers fortunate our Eskimos are equally bad during these last several years . It should be noticed Eskimo attendance plummeting .

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#86 madjam
October 18 2013, 11:28PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm sure they mentioned very similar concerns about Coffey, Kurri, Messier, Anderson and Gretzky back in the day as well. Large(Terry Jones) called the whole works of them weak kneed whimps back in 81 or 82.

Maybe we should wait a couple more years before we decide to write 4,14,19,64 and 93 off. It could be worth the wait like it was the last time. Who has the wisdom to prove this isn't the case?

Tsk Tsk Jason. They are building a new facility to accommodate all the new banners that will go up because of these kids you know.

Your talking a new franchise with talents like Gretzky never seen before in NHL . We got to see the preview in WHL . With Fuhr and Messier from Spruce Grove days you had no slouch , and Anderson was a terror even on Team Canada before joining us . Kurri was no slouch either in physical game . Coffey was an offensive phenom with blazing speed but no defensive gem . K.Lowe was no slouch . Did not take long to see them progress fast and rapidly toward success . Our current club is no where near that sort of progression and very unlikely to duplicate what former Oilers did . Jones ,if he did say it , was errored , as most of us felt otherwise !They excelled far better each subsequent year . Bad comparison model tying to tie this team to our dynasty team .

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#87 andrewmk20
October 18 2013, 11:48PM
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@Racki

Agreed on that. I hate the fact that it's becoming clear that the Oilers need to make a major move and lose one of their five elite kids. But Eberle plays better with his teammates and while Yakupov will very likely become an elite finisher the Oilers don't have another 2 to 3 years to wait for that. Not to mention that Gregor's article brought up a very valid point. This team does not have veteran talent surrounding the kids. Giroux had Richards, Carter, Pronger, etc. Datsyuk and Zetterberg had a wealth of veteran talent surrounding them, Stamkos, Crosby, and Tavares also had that benefit. Seth Jones has Shea Weber as a resource. The list goes on. Only the Oilers have left their elite young talent on their own.

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#88 Danger Pay
October 19 2013, 02:31AM
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Make a move at the deadline, draft or free agency.

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#89 TonyT
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What would it take to pickup Giroux fr PHI does Gagner + Eberle/Yakupov (obviously fill in the rest) get that done? Don't crucify just thinking out loud. He has no goals and some how the Flyers are worse than the Oilers.

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#90 MessyEH!
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Veritas wrote:

I was around in those early days and the assaults on Sather were vigorous. The team had some growing pains and made moves to address weaknesses. It was a different era, but I have to agree with this poster ... It is not time to panic. Lets see what happens to the theme of this site when the team wins two or three in a row, or thrashes somebody profoundly... Keep calm fan base.

At 20 games I am going into full panic mode. I am currently in need of a new panic hat.

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#91 oilabroad
October 19 2013, 08:21AM
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Dan wrote:

makes you wonder why they drafted Yakupov knowing he would be redundant with all the skill they have...they should have drafted a D man like Murray or even better, a big slick centremen like Galyenchuk. typical oilers drafting....they have had seven years to correct this and they still can't get it right. Saying the same thing about this team every year...sad

because you always draft bpa, you dont remember the panic in ON when they thought we were taking Murray? the thought process than was you take the bpa and trade them later as they will have more value and that is likely still the thought process

we dont know what Yak is like in the room, I do know some of his comments lately made my arse pucker (doesnt want to hit or backcheck, just score goals)...

I like the player but lets be honest, he is THE poster child for one dimensional players, these guys dont win you stanley cups, they fill seats in sun belt cities

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#92 Zarny
October 19 2013, 01:42PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm sure they mentioned very similar concerns about Coffey, Kurri, Messier, Anderson and Gretzky back in the day as well. Large(Terry Jones) called the whole works of them weak kneed whimps back in 81 or 82.

Maybe we should wait a couple more years before we decide to write 4,14,19,64 and 93 off. It could be worth the wait like it was the last time. Who has the wisdom to prove this isn't the case?

Tsk Tsk Jason. They are building a new facility to accommodate all the new banners that will go up because of these kids you know.

No they didn't mention similar concerns; because as you mentioned they had Mark Messier.

Messier was probably the meanest player in the NHL. 6'2" 210lbs when the average player was 5'-10" and 180 lbs. He literally pounded the crap out of opposing F and D.

The '80s teams having Mark Messier is like swapping Sam Gagner for Eric Staal and having him play like Chris Pronger. If today's team had a Mark Messier there would be no problem. That is exactly the diversity the current Oilers lack and what the article is about.

They also always had guys like Krushelnyski or McSorely who could get some dirty goals. I'm a card carrying member of the Lowe Has To Go Club but he and Huddy were better defensively than anyone on this team. They also had guys like Jeff Beukeboom 6'-5" 230 lbs, Steve Smith 6'4" 215lbs, Randy Gregg 6'4" 215 lbs and Craig Muni 6'3" 210 lbs.

No one pushed those teams around. And what made them champions is they had everything this team lacks. Gretzky, Kurri, Anderson and Coffey didn't light it up every night but they could still win.

And that is the only way you win 16 games in the playoffs. Skill won't get it done every night. Just look at the recent list of Stanley Cup winners - Chi, LA, Bos, Chi, Pit, Det, Anh, Car.

Some nights, some rounds guys like Kane, Kopitar, Krejci, Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Zetterberg didn't get it done. Those nights/rounds they had guys like Toews, Bickell, Byfuglien, Brown, Richards, Carter, Lucic, Horton, Guerin, Staal, Franzen who could find a different way to score.

The Oilers don't have that diversity. None of the top 6 F are capable of it. It's all speed and skill and that isn't enough. Not to win the Cup.

If MacT can turn Perron and Gagner into physical equivalents of Milan Lucic and Jonathan Toews that's best case. If he can pry a guy like Braydon Coburn out of Phi who can shutdown top F for 25 min every night without giving up Hall, Nuge, Eberle or Yakupov I'm all for it. But that's not an easy task and Gregor is 100% right...those moves need to be made.

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#93 Tammy
October 18 2013, 04:01PM
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Nice to see I am not the only one out there thinking Yak needs to go.... He is too Arrogant and not a team player.m Hemsky..... well no one wanted him and now he is trying to prove himself and his worth yet again.If I were to choose who should go....Both Shultz's and Yak. I have only been a fan for 4 years but already I see the problems areas as well. Not enough physical presence is my number one beef. When we hit alot we win! get Eager and Brown and Nurse out there on a regular basis!

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#94 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 18 2013, 04:28PM
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"The Corsi crowd has quieted down significantly. If I'm calculating this correctly, and I easily could not be, the Oilers as a team are around -30 in Corsi. (Updated correct number.) Only Eberle and Arcobello are above 50%. This team still has lots of work to do at ES. They are improving, but they have a ways to go. "

Not sure who's is being quiet. If you mean the team hasn't won the corsi battle in the last two games (the Pit game being much closer than the Isles game), it's been noted and discussed a lot from what I've seen.

At any rate, here's the numbers for the kids to see at home:

http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2013

Team 5x5 sits at 48.6% CF (311CF to 329CA events)

That is a MASSIVE improvement from last year's 44.6%

http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2012

(mind you 8 games is still a very small sample size, we could see that number move a fair bit).

Players above 50%:

Petry, Eberle, Arco, Belov, Hemsky (Hall at 49.6)

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#95 NsxZero
October 18 2013, 04:38PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

after reading some of these ridiculous trade suggestions, i'm left thinking only one thing. Children shouldn't use the internet. I don't know why so many people seem to think come of the NHL best teams are going to part with some of their best players for Edmonton's dead weight! What possible reason is there for montreal to trade Galchenyuk? Why wold Nashville trade Weber? Why would LA trade Doughty!? Why would Minnesota trade Suter? Why would any team give up a world class player for the oilers suggested? The only deals that make sense are maybe the ones involving Philly, only because they have big, young players under contract, but could do with skill, and edmonton has skilled young players under contract, but need some size...even those deals are unlikely.

This. If there's a reason we want to trade a player, there's a reason why the other team Doesn't want that player. Case in point, Eberle might be great, but he has a $6 mill price tag for a relatively unproven consistent player.

If we're talking about acquiring elite talent here, we better be ready to lose any of our 'untouchables'.

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#96 Papamike
October 18 2013, 04:55PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I don't believe they can win with all the same type of offence. They don't have the right balance. I too loved the run and gun days, but today's game isn't like that. Sadly.

I know, it is just that I want exciting hockey to watch. I really enjoyed the TO game because of that. Of course I wish we won that one but it doesn't always work that way. I want the Oilers to change the ways of todays hockey, like how they changed the 4 on 4 because we dominated the opposition. Sigh

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#97 27Ginge
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Yak, Gagner, Klefbom for Richards and Clifford.

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#98 TonyT
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The mix on this team does not and will not work (not necessarily because of size) but because a lack of willingness to engage and finish checks. If you've watched the Oilers for the most part of this decade they don't finish checks and they easily are defeated by any sort of forecheck.

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#99 Veritas
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm sure they mentioned very similar concerns about Coffey, Kurri, Messier, Anderson and Gretzky back in the day as well. Large(Terry Jones) called the whole works of them weak kneed whimps back in 81 or 82.

Maybe we should wait a couple more years before we decide to write 4,14,19,64 and 93 off. It could be worth the wait like it was the last time. Who has the wisdom to prove this isn't the case?

Tsk Tsk Jason. They are building a new facility to accommodate all the new banners that will go up because of these kids you know.

I was around in those early days and the assaults on Sather were vigorous. The team had some growing pains and made moves to address weaknesses. It was a different era, but I have to agree with this poster ... It is not time to panic. Lets see what happens to the theme of this site when the team wins two or three in a row, or thrashes somebody profoundly... Keep calm fan base.

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#100 Zarny
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Geoff wrote:

The problem with our top is isn't that they are the smallest its that they PLAY like the smallest in the NHL. They are getting better though.

They PLAY like the smallest in the NHL because they ARE the smallest in the NHL.

Yes, the current top 6 F can improve and do better; but none of them will ever provide the diversity in offense you get from guys like Lucic, Horton, Getzlaf, Perry.

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