9 FOR THE OILERS

Lowetide
October 20 2013 08:31AM

The Oilers prospect pool is finally underway (save for John McCarron) for this season and there are some outstanding performances around the globe. Some of these players could be in the NHL by spring.

THE GREAT

The conversation starts with the amazing Greg Chase (11, 10-7-17) who sits just outside the WHL's top 10 in scoring early in the year. The agitating center has been an offensive factor in almost every game and has vaulted up the Oilers prospect list. His style fits a team need, and the fact that he plays center is another positive. He's a couple of years away. Just behind him in the WHL scoring race is 19-year old Mitchell Moroz (12, 11-5-16) who sits in 4th place in goals scored in the dub. The selection of Moroz was much maligned on draft day, mostly because it represented another potential "Coke Machine" draft--Oilers have spent a lot of draft gold in search of a powerforward without a lot of success since 2000--but Moroz has established this season that he can in fact cash when playing with skill. My guess is that he ends up being a physical winger who plays on the 3 or 4line if and when he arrives in the NHL, but this season is extremely encouraging. Mitchell Moroz is going to post a very big number in his final junior season.

Darnell Nurse (9, 1-8-9) is among the OHL's top scoring defensemen, but that's not even half of what he brings to the game. The big, tough, physical, mobile, intelligent 2-way defender is having an impact year as captain of the Soo Greyhounds. Remember when we spoke in the summer about Nurse adding PP time to his resume, and how that would improve his boxcars? Well, he's already at a point-per-game and as expected the 5x4 time (9, 1-4-5) is a big part of his season.

Dillon Simpson (4, 0-1-1) appears to be on his way to an outstanding future for the  Edmonton Oilers, and has travelled many miles as a player since his draft day. When he was selected, there were questions about Simpson as a prospect, mostly around strength and footspeed. Simpson has worked very hard on his weaknesses in the years since he was draft (2011, 4th round) and has passed many players taken ahead of him because of it. His footspeed, mobility and strength are no longer a question, and as captain of UND this season he's taken on a leadership role. Coach Dave Hakstol: "He's only 20 years old, we have freshmen older than him. But it's really not about the date on your birth certificate, it's about your level of maturity and your life experiences, your mindset and your ability to be consistent and accountable and do things the right way. I think Dillon is at the highest level of those areas." I believe Simpson is going to pass a lot of defensemen on the Oiler depth chart as soon as he turns pro, and wouldn't be surprised to see him push for NHL employment in the months after turning pro.

Jujhar Khaira (8, 3-2-5) plays for a button down WHL coach (Kevin Contstantine) and in a defensive system, but has shown well across the board so far this season. He's been impacted this weekend by injury, but has been observed playing well in a 2-way role and provided a physical presence. Khaira's a big center (6.04, 215, just turned 19) and would fit a need for the Oilers if he continues to develop as a center.

Bogdan Yakimov (16, 2-4-6) is making the huge step up to KHL play this year and doing very well. He has played some center and spent time on the 2line, but appears to be getting 3line minutes for Neftekhimik this season. At 6.05, 202, he's another giant on the way--and it's important to remember he's in what is generally described as being the second best league on the planet at age 19.

Tyler Pitlick (7, 1-2-3) has struggled with injuries and ineffectiveness since turning pro in the fall of 2011. This fall, he's followed up a strong training camp with the big club by making himself a big part of the Barons. Pitlick has played center, scored a shorthanded goal and most recently (this weekend) has been running wild on the top Barons line (with Linus Omark and Anton Lander) posting some crooked numbers on the scoreboard. For really the first time since turning pro, Pitlick is a legit callup option (as described by Jonathan Willis in this article).

Anton Lander (6, 2-3-5) has plenty of NHL experience but there's little doubt he was rushed to the show early. Lander's play in OKC since last spring (in his last 22 AHL games, Lander is 13-10-23) has been impressive, and despite being sent down from main camp at a time when centermen were in short supply the next recall will be well earned. That's an important distinction.

Oscar Klefbom (6, 0-1-1) is finding his way and gaining confidence at the AHL level now, and despite the fact Edmonton has a lot of one-way deals in front of him it's a good guess the Swede will make his NHL debut sometime this season. His main assets are exceptional speed, intelligent movement of the puck and reading plays--all of which will be welcome when he arrives in the NHL.

(Klefbom photo by Rob Ferguson, Chase photo by Lisa McRitche. All rights reserved).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Stu MacGregor draft era (2008 and counting) has taken a lot of heat for not delivering on picks beyond #1 overall selections (Jordan Eberle gets forgotten about during the discussion). However, there's a long and impressive list of players who look like they're on their way. 2009 (Lander), 2010 (Pitlick, Marincin) and 2011 (Klefbom, Musil, Simpson, Gernat) have some nice arrows and at some point will break through.

The question: does it happen for any of them this season?

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#1 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 20 2013, 08:53AM
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Greg Chase looks like a Detroit-level gem, here's hoping he can continue to tear it up. He's looking more and more like the exact kind of player the Oil need.

Nurse is a beauty, I can't wait to see his boxcars at the end of the year.

If Khaira pans out, teams are going to hate playing the Oilers. Finally!

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#2 Kelly
October 20 2013, 09:04AM
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Woo hoo my first fist.

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Ah. Crap. Never mind

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October 20 2013, 09:13AM
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Now I know what I want to eat for breakfast and it isn't on that tray.

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#6 Spydyr
October 20 2013, 09:14AM
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If 3 of the 9 can go on to long NHL careers that would be great .Anymore would be a huge win.

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#7 oilers2k10
October 20 2013, 09:19AM
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Always liked Moroz as a prospect, glad he's ripping up the WHL right now..

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October 20 2013, 09:23AM
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Time for pie!!!!!!!

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#9 Oilers42
October 20 2013, 09:31AM
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Khaira was injured the last 2 games with a shoulder problem

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#10 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 20 2013, 09:34AM
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The Oilers curse. Thou shoulders shall be made of the finest porcelain.

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#11 camsoilers
October 20 2013, 09:38AM
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Who the heck is that lovely lady

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#12 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 20 2013, 09:39AM
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Main character in Weeds, I can't remember the name. Marie something?

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October 20 2013, 09:54AM
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@Jordan Nugent-Hallkins

Marie Louise Parker or something like that. She's one of those 3 name people.

She's also almost fifty years old ! Doesn't look close to it she is beautiful.

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#15 EricOG
October 20 2013, 10:10AM
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@ Lowetide:

When you look at this prospect pool, do you get the feeling the Oilers current NHL core will look very little like what it looks now in the next 2-3 years?

I mean, they only have Smid and Ference signed for next year. Same goes for a few of the forwards. Looks like roster turnover will again be quite high for 14-15.

Having said that, do you envision a future where the Oilers are finally good without at least two of the wonder-kids?

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#16 pkam
October 20 2013, 10:21AM
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Greg Chase is one of the Hitmen I hated when the OilKings play the Hitmen. And I believe Moroz is the OilKings that other fans hate most.

Both of them are like Perron, always stir it up after the whistle. Moroz may not have the skill, but he is very smart in front of the net. Always find the open space and the rebound. If you put him with a good passer and a good shooter, he will get to the net to finish it. And the bonus, he is not hesitate to drop the gloves.

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#18 MessyEH!
October 20 2013, 10:47AM
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@Lowetide

Belov and Gordon have met my expectations so far. Ferrence hasn't been the same player I saw in Boston. I remember him being much more physical, and dirty. Then again, I really only watched them in the playoffs.

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#19 Smokey
October 20 2013, 10:56AM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think the Oilers have three blue chip D prospects (Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin) and a couple of very good ones pushing them (Gernat, Simpson).

They won't all play for the Oilers. We'll probably see Klefbom play 20-30 games this season, then (imo) Nurse and Marincin next fall. Defensemen take forever even after playing in the NHL, so my guess is three of the 5 mentioned above have Oiler careers and the other two get traded.

As for the current roster, Justin Schultz, Andrew Ference, Jeff Petry, Ladislav Smid are the heart of the blue imo.

So those names plus the 5 prospects(along with possibly Belov, who has been impressive) are the future.

I'm still hoping for Musil as well. I wish he could become a Green, Scudari type. I think Fedun is going to get a shot some time this year. He shoulda been a call-up long before Grebeshkov.

The Oilers need to get some of these players into some games, so they can parlay them into a goalie.

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#20 jimbob
October 20 2013, 10:58AM
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all of a sudden i got a hankerin for some pie......

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#22 pkam
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Lowetide wrote:

I think the Oilers have three blue chip D prospects (Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin) and a couple of very good ones pushing them (Gernat, Simpson).

They won't all play for the Oilers. We'll probably see Klefbom play 20-30 games this season, then (imo) Nurse and Marincin next fall. Defensemen take forever even after playing in the NHL, so my guess is three of the 5 mentioned above have Oiler careers and the other two get traded.

As for the current roster, Justin Schultz, Andrew Ference, Jeff Petry, Ladislav Smid are the heart of the blue imo.

So those names plus the 5 prospects(along with possibly Belov, who has been impressive) are the future.

So you consider Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Simpson, but not Larsen, Fedun, Davidson and Musil?

Musil may be a long shot, but the other 3 all look very good in the preseason, not any worse than Marincin and Gernat. And we haven't seen much of Klefbom and not even have a chance to see Simpson plays yet.

I can understand all the hype about Klefbom, but how can Simpson already get ahead of Fedun, Larsen, and Davidson?

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#23 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
October 20 2013, 11:23AM
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Thanks for the update LT...keep them coming please.......what about the forwards Roy and Daniel Zharkov?

.....oh yeah.......coach Eakins called....said she's a nice lookin prospect....but the pie has to go!

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#24 kawi460
October 20 2013, 11:24AM
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I see Moroz turning out to be a similar player to Dan Carcillo, Brandon Prust, Chris Neil or a Kyle Cliffor. Something that the oilers can use!!

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#25 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
October 20 2013, 11:28AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Still you have to count him as part of the future. Long term deal, captain, he's not going to be leaving. Or it's very unlikely anyway.

Plus, if there's one thing that this painful rebuild has taught us, it is that you can't succeed with a team full of rookies / young players no matter how talented they are........you need a solid core of veterans.

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#26 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
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kawi460 wrote:

I see Moroz turning out to be a similar player to Dan Carcillo, Brandon Prust, Chris Neil or a Kyle Cliffor. Something that the oilers can use!!

Sweet Baby Jeebuz.....let this be true!

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#28 Rama Lama
October 20 2013, 11:47AM
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I watched the SJS play last night.......big, strong, fast, with no free loaders. With guys like Moroz, Chase, Kharia, Yakimov the future finally looks bright.

With all the prospects we have we might be able to trade for a legit defenseman.

I get the feeling that the lack of any discernible defensive system our defenseman have been left to their own devices. I see no system at play for the PP or the PK. I might be time for Eakins to hire a real coaching assistant instead of Smith and Buchy.

Eakins has to stop talking about compete, and fitness and start developing a real NHL hockey system........what we are witnessing is a lack of systems IMHO.

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#29 pkam
October 20 2013, 11:51AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Still you have to count him as part of the future. Long term deal, captain, he's not going to be leaving. Or it's very unlikely anyway.

Do you think we'll resign Ference when his contract expires at the end of 16-17? Or you are referring to the near future only?

I don't think the Oilers will resign Smid. At 3.5M, his spot and salary is better spent on a young prospect.

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#30 pkam
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Rama Lama wrote:

I watched the SJS play last night.......big, strong, fast, with no free loaders. With guys like Moroz, Chase, Kharia, Yakimov the future finally looks bright.

With all the prospects we have we might be able to trade for a legit defenseman.

I get the feeling that the lack of any discernible defensive system our defenseman have been left to their own devices. I see no system at play for the PP or the PK. I might be time for Eakins to hire a real coaching assistant instead of Smith and Buchy.

Eakins has to stop talking about compete, and fitness and start developing a real NHL hockey system........what we are witnessing is a lack of systems IMHO.

But isn't it the same assistant coaches who coached the excellent PP and PK last season?

So they only get the blame but not the credit?

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#31 Oiler63
October 20 2013, 12:08PM
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It just proved they have nothing to do with the strong PP and PK last season. It was Krueger.

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#33 Talbot17
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its nice to see positives about prospect development in the system. Chase is definitely a Red Wings caliber gem, great to hear Klefbom s progression is going well

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#34 pkam
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Oiler63 wrote:

It just proved they have nothing to do with the strong PP and PK last season. It was Krueger.

So if Kureger is credit for the strong PP and PK last season, why is it the assistant coaches get the blame for the poor PP and PK this season? Shouldn't it be Eakins getting the boot?

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#35 Rama Lama
October 20 2013, 12:15PM
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pkam wrote:

But isn't it the same assistant coaches who coached the excellent PP and PK last season?

So they only get the blame but not the credit?

Yes they are now the goats. It's either time for them to adopt their old systems, ( damn the head coach) or tell him his system of collapsing around the net does not work at the NHL system.

Not sure if you noticed but on the PK we no longer challenge the shooter........under Eakins system every one huddles around the net and its a general free for all for the shooters. It's just a matter of time until someone takes a puck in the face or gonads and is out for a few games. It's embarrassing to have a system of play that no one understands except the coach.

I call it the moving target approach........works for the coach but not the team.

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#36 Oiler63
October 20 2013, 12:24PM
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Not saying Eakins shouldn't get the boot. Definitely he needs to work on that. But Smith and Buchy are just a couple of pylons behind the bench, completely useless.

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#37 pkam
October 20 2013, 12:33PM
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Oiler63 wrote:

Not saying Eakins shouldn't get the boot. Definitely he needs to work on that. But Smith and Buchy are just a couple of pylons behind the bench, completely useless.

Isn't it the HC's decision if his assistants are useless or not? If Eakins doesn't think they are useless, who are we to tell Eakins to change his assistance?

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#38 Wax Man Riley
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Rama Lama wrote:

I watched the SJS play last night.......big, strong, fast, with no free loaders. With guys like Moroz, Chase, Kharia, Yakimov the future finally looks bright.

With all the prospects we have we might be able to trade for a legit defenseman.

I get the feeling that the lack of any discernible defensive system our defenseman have been left to their own devices. I see no system at play for the PP or the PK. I might be time for Eakins to hire a real coaching assistant instead of Smith and Buchy.

Eakins has to stop talking about compete, and fitness and start developing a real NHL hockey system........what we are witnessing is a lack of systems IMHO.

Well! Do I have someone that would love to talk to you!

Hey NewAgeSys....what do you have to say?

We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

Aaahhh the memories!!

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#39 Rama Lama
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Well! Do I have someone that would love to talk to you!

Hey NewAgeSys....what do you have to say?

We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

Aaahhh the memories!!

You are obviously in love with NewAgeSys, but I do not read comments from people who do not use paragraphs or generally write essays.

Please feel free to read your lovers comments and keep your love quarrel private.

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#40 dougtheslug
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So you're saying that in 3-5 years we have a chance to possibly have the beginnings of the outline of a core of a roster that might not get their butts handed to them on a regular basis every night? Thanks Kevin. For only 5 years into the rebuild, you've done a heck of a job.

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#41 HardBoiledOil
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as some of our defensive depth starts arriving, I agree that with J. Schultz, Ference, Petry and likely Belov getting signed long term, these guys will be the 4 that we build around. I am not convinced that Smid is here long term, even though he's signed for a while. was he not signed by Tanbo? I wonder if he's trade bait down the road, with the assumption that Klefbom will likely play full time next year and that Nurse and Marincin will *likely* try to make the Oil next year as well?

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#42 DSF
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

as some of our defensive depth starts arriving, I agree that with J. Schultz, Ference, Petry and likely Belov getting signed long term, these guys will be the 4 that we build around. I am not convinced that Smid is here long term, even though he's signed for a while. was he not signed by Tanbo? I wonder if he's trade bait down the road, with the assumption that Klefbom will likely play full time next year and that Nurse and Marincin will *likely* try to make the Oil next year as well?

A couple of questions:

Since Ference turns 35 this season, what makes you think he is a long term solution?

Based on his defensive play, why do you believe J. Schultz is a long term solution. If you're basing your opinion on his offensive stats, it's worth noting he is currently outside the top 20 in D scoring and has yet to score a goal this season.

Why are you assuming Klefbom will likely play full time in the NHL next season? He's hardly lighting up the AHL.

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#43 Joel k
October 20 2013, 01:37PM
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Yakupov for Adam Larsson + X =

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#44 Spydyr
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Joel k wrote:

Yakupov for Adam Larsson + X =

Perhaps Yak for Pietrangelo. That I might do.

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#45 Joel k
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@Joel k

Adam Henrique + Adam Larsson for Yakupov

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Well! Do I have someone that would love to talk to you!

Hey NewAgeSys....what do you have to say?

We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

Aaahhh the memories!!

Jayyyyyzzuz.

I almost forgot about that guy. Tried to read a few of those homeric poems but ended up stupider afterwards. After many months of therapy I'm almost normal again, but the damage still lingers.

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#47 MessyEH!
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So if Kureger is credit for the strong PP and PK last season, why is it the assistant coaches get the blame for the poor PP and PK this season? Shouldn't it be Eakins getting the boot?

The Oilers special teams were great under Krueger as HC, and as assistant coach to Renney.

Giving the other 2 any credit is ridiculous. They have been behind the bench for all of these painful draft lottery burn it the ground years.

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#48 Jackson
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David S wrote:

Jayyyyyzzuz.

I almost forgot about that guy. Tried to read a few of those homeric poems but ended up stupider afterwards. After many months of therapy I'm almost normal again, but the damage still lingers.

This

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8YQVM1GQI

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#49 HardBoiledOil
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DSF wrote:

A couple of questions:

Since Ference turns 35 this season, what makes you think he is a long term solution?

Based on his defensive play, why do you believe J. Schultz is a long term solution. If you're basing your opinion on his offensive stats, it's worth noting he is currently outside the top 20 in D scoring and has yet to score a goal this season.

Why are you assuming Klefbom will likely play full time in the NHL next season? He's hardly lighting up the AHL.

1. I never said Ference is a long term solution to anything, but the Oilers seem to feel that, at least for the next 4 years, he'll be the veteran solution they seem to feel we need, despite his spotty play so far with a new team and new system to learn.

2. unlike a lot of hockey "fans", just because a player struggles at the beginning of his NHL career, it doesn't necessarily mean he will for his entire career. let's give J. Schultz and Yak for that matter a chance to develop and stop assuming they'll be long term problems because of early NHL struggles. and i'd like to see J. Schultz be signed here long term just to keep him away from the Canucks. ;-)

3. tons of chatter about this guy here being very close to NHL ready...from the team and the media. I assume you don't live here and are not aware of it, but Klef's lack of point totals in the AHL will not be a determining factor as to whether he plays in the NHL soon or not. he'll be one of the first d-men recalled if there are a bunch of injuries to our d-men. I have heard this on Oiler radio and it's apparently info they got from the Oilers themselves.

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#50 Lloyd B.
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If conventional wisdom says you build your team from the backend out then I am a bit concerned that we are actually starting the rebuild now. The past three years were not rebuilding but loading up on assets that can be traded to fill in the blanks once our back end arrives. Trade one of the shiny toys for a legit #1 goalie. Trade another shiny toy or two for another Perron or two, one being a center. Then our drafted #1 and #2 defencemen arrive and voila...a team built from the back end out. We may be in for three more years of this. DRINK !!

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