HISTORY OF TRADING #1 OVERALL PICKS

Jason Gregor
October 21 2013 12:01PM

I still believe that sometime in the future, not right away, but within two years, the Oilers should deal one of their four young offensive stars. Many don't like the idea, which I understand, but I was perplexed why some felt that suggesting the Oilers will deal one of them meant I felt the players weren't any good.

That isn't the case. The reason I would trade one of them, likely Nail Yakupov, is because he is damn good, and if the deal were done properly the Oilers would be able to fill a few other key holes on the team.

Again, I'm not suggesting it will happen right away, but if it does, I believe it would be the right move. Let me explain.

The Oilers currently have too many similar forwards. Young, skilled, not overly aggressive and none who are defensively sound, at least not yet. I'm certain that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will become an excellent two-way player, and likely so too with Jordan Eberle. I doubt Taylor Hall or Nail Yakupov will ever be in the running for the Selke trophy, but that isn't a bad thing.

The league has many great players who will never be Selke candidates. Patrick Kane is never going to be one, and that is why he and Jonathan Toews complement one another so well. Kane is the cold-blooded sniper, while Toews is an offensive threat with a great defensive conscience.

I'm sure Hall and Nugent-Hopkins could fill those roles nicely as they mature.

Great teams have skill guys who can beat you in different ways. Chicago's top-four forwards are a mixture of pure offensive skill, Kane, solid two-way players in Toews and Patrick Sharp, while Hossa has elite skill, and he's a heavy forward. Hossa is extremely hard to knock off the puck, and he's one of the best skaters in the game.

The Bruins top-six is a combination of skill, size, nastiness and a solid two-way game. They don't have any elite scorers. Last year Brad Marchand led them in goals, 18, and points, 36. When they won the Cup in 2011, Milan Lucic and David Krejci tied for the team lead with 62 points. But they had incredible balance in their top-six and down the lineup.

Krejci and Patrice Bergeron are solid two-way players. Lucic and Marchand can score, hit and fight. Tyler Seguin had 67 points his 2nd season, while Nathan Horton had skill and size. They dealt Seguin, but added Loui Eriksson and Jarome Iginla.

The Detroit Red Wings went to back-to-back Stanley Cup finals with two great offensive players in Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. They were surrounded by solid complementary players in Johan Franzen, Tomas Holmstrom, Jiri Hudler, Dan Cleary or Mikael Samuelsson. Again, we saw a combination of great skill and two-way play, size, grit and experience.

All of those teams were built a bit differently, but the one thing they shared in common was their top-two lines had players who contained different size and skill sets; they all weren't pure offensive stars.

The other main ingredient those teams possessed was they had an elite defenceman; Zdeno Chara, Nick Lidstrom and Duncan Keith. On top of finding more balance amongst their top-six the Oilers need to find a true top-pairing D-man.

That is the main reason why I would consider moving one of the skilled wingers. I believe they are attractive enough to garner a solid return.

MOVING # OVERALL PICKS

Teams have traded first overall picks before. I'm sure the St. Louis Blues wish they would have drafted Jordan Staal or Jonathan Toews instead of Erik Johnson first overall in 2006, but they didn't.

They did, however, make a very good trade when they dealt him, Jay McClement and a first round pick (11th overall, Duncan Siemens) to Colorado for Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart and conditional 2nd round pick (Ty Rattie).

I think it is safe to say the Blues clearly won that trade. One of the main reasons they were able to deal Johnson was because they drafted Alex Pietrangelo in 2008. They had a legit #1 D-man, and while they knew Johnson wasn't going to be a #1 D-man, Colorado clearly felt they could mold him into one.

That is the advantage of dealing a #1 overall pick. He has value. Most opposing teams consider him as a first overall selection.

The only other #1 pick to be traded in the salary cap era was Joe Thornton.

Thornton was dealt to San Jose at the quarter point of his 8th season in Boston. Mike O'Connell was the GM at the time and made a horrible trade. He didn't allow teams to get into a bidding war for the 26-year-old Thornton. Instead he moved him to the San Jose Sharks for Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau.

It was a brutal deal for the Bruins. Thornton went on to win the Hart Trophy that year, while O'Connell was fired later that season on March 25th, 2006. I'm sure Oilers fans remember that 16 days before being fired O'Connell sent the 8th overall pick from Thornton's 1997 draft class, Sergei Samsonov, to Edmonton for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and a 2nd round pick. O'Connell wasn't around that summer when the Bruins took Lucic 50th overall.

The Bruins were a team in transition when they dealt Thornton. They had finished 2nd in the east in 2004, but they lost in seven games in the first round. Thornton didn't have one point in seven games.

Then the lockout came, and when the NHL returned the Bruins lost Michael Nylander, Brian Rolston, Mike Knuble, Sean O'Donnell and Sergei Gonchar to free agency. The Bruins were ten points out of the playoffs on November 30th, 2005 so O'Connell decided to move Thornton. I have no idea why he accepted such a minimal return, but it cost him his job, but then Peter Chiarelli was hired and the Bruins built their team around free agent defenceman Zdeno Chara.

MacTavish must ensure that if he contemplates moving Yakupov, me has to contact every other GM in the league, something O'Connell failed to do.

COMPARISONS

The other only team in NHL history who had three consecutive first overall selections was the Quebec Nordiques, and strangely enough, the Nordiques/Avalanc;e traded all three players within five years of drafting them.

The Nordiques used the first pick to select Mats Sundin in 1989, Owen Nolan in 1990 and Eric Lindros in 1991.

LINDROS TRADE

Lindros never played a game in Quebec. He held out for a year before he was traded to Philadelphia on June 30th, 1992.

The Nordiques received: Peter Forsberg (6th pick in 1991), Mike Ricci (he had been drafted 4th overall 14 days before the trade), Steve Duchene, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two additional first round picks and $15 million in cash.  Of course this type of deal would never happen today due to the salary cap, and the fact you can't trade cash only cap space, but it was a good deal for both teams.

The Flyers gained a dominant player, but the Nordiques got one hell of a return.

Forsberg became a superstar; Ricci was a solid contributor, 17 points in 22 games during the 1996 Stanley Cup run while Chris Simon was a role player in their Cup victory. The rest of the players were traded away for other assets.

SUNDIN TRADE

At the 1994 NHL draft the Nordiques and Maple Leafs made a major trade. After playing four seasons with the Nordiques, Sundin was dealt to the Maple Leafs along with Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and the 10th overall pick (Nolan Baumgartner) in exchange for Wendel Clark Clark (1st overall pick in 1985), Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and the 22nd pick (Jeff Kealty).

The Leafs clearly won this trade. Sundin went on to a Hall of Fame career with the Leafs.

Lefebvre was a steady #4 D-man for the Avs, and he was an alternate captain, but he was not close to Sundin in talent. He played 48 games in Quebec due to the lockout shortened 1994/1995 season, and then won a Cup in Colorado the next season.

Clark played the 1994/1995 season with the Nordiques, but then he got into a contract dispute with the Avalanche, and was dealt to the Islanders as part of a three-way deal. Clark went to NYI, Steve Thomas went to New Jersey and Claude Lemieux went to Colorado.

While they didn't come close to winning the Sundin trade, at least the Avs salvaged some dignity by acquiring Lemieux for Clark.

The Nordiques traded Sundin because they wanted to make room for Peter Forsberg. Forsberg made his debut in the 1994/1995 season and picked up 50 points in 47 games. The Nordiques had Joe Sakic, Sundin and Ricci, and they felt they couldn't use all of them down the middle when Forsberg arrived, so they moved Sundin.

They gave up the best player in the deal, but they had the luxury of slotting in Forsberg to replace him.

NOLAN TRADE

Nolan was traded nine games into the 1995/1996 season. He was dealt to the San Jose Sharks for Sandis Ozolinsh.

After the trade the Avalanche still had Sakic, Forsberg, Ricci, Lemieux, Valeri Kamensky, Scott Young, Adam Deadmarsh, Andrei Kovalenko and Martin Rucinsky in their top-nine, but the most offensive oriented D-man they had prior to acquiring Ozolinsh was Craig Wolanin.

Ozolinsh gave them an elite puck moving D-man, while the Sharks got a 30-goal scorer.

I'd give the Avs the edge in this deal. They filled a major hole on their blueline, and Ozolinsh gave them a different element in their offensive attack. He could get the puck up to their elite offensive players quickly.

Avalanche GM Pierre Lacroix wasn't afraid to make moves. His best deal came two months after the Ozolinsh/Nolan deal, when he acquired Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for Kovalenko, Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault.

Canadiens GM Rejean Houle was on the job for six weeks before Lacroix fleeced him in the Roy deal.

It should be noted the Avalanche's payroll was the 11th highest in 1996, and it wasn't until after the Avs won that they started spending like crazy. Lacroix had the luxury of a rich owner to keep the team together, but he should get credit for making some very good trades to build a Stanley Cup winning team in 1996.

OTHER TRADES INVOLVING #1 PICKS...

In the last 30 years, many first overall picks have been traded, and surprisingly most of those that were dealt, were traded before completing their 5th NHL season. Players like Dale Hawerchuk, Wendel Clark, Joe Thornton, Ilya Kovalchuk and Rick Nash were dealt after playing 7-9 years with their teams.

Here are the #1 picks who were traded before the end of their 5th NHL season.

1980: Doug Wichenheiser. He'll always been known as the player the Canadiens drafted instead of picking Denis Savard. The Habs is that they weren't the only team to bypass Savard. The Winnipeg Jets selected Dave Babych 2nd overall, before the Blackhawks happily took Savard.

Midway through his 4th season with the Habs Wickenheiser along with Gilbert Delhorme and Greg Paslawski were traded to the St.Louis Blues for Perry Turnbull. Wickenheiser scored 23 goals in 68 games with the Blues that year, but he never scored more than 13 after that. Turnbull was a major bust for the Habs. He scored 13 points in 40 games before they traded him to Winnipeg for Lucien Deblois after the 1983 season.

1986: Joe Murphy. Murphy spent his first two seasons splitting time between the Detroit Red Wings and their AHL affiliate. Nine games into his 3rd NHL season Murphy was dealt to the Edmonton Oilers along with Adam Graves, Petr Klima and Jeff Sharples for Jimmy Carson, Kevin McClelland and a 5th round pick.

Carson was the 2nd pick in 1986, and had scored 55 and 49 goals prior to the trade, but the Oilers easily won the deal. Murphy, Graves and Klima were key contributors to the Oilers 1990 Stanley Cup victory, while Sharples was traded to New Jersey later that year for Reijo Ruotsalainen, who scored 13 points in 22 playoff games in 1990.

1987: Pierre Turgeon. On October 25th, 1991 Turgeon was eight games into his 5th NHL season when the Sabres traded him along with Uwe Krupp, Benoit Hogue and Dave McLlwain to the New York Islanders for Pat LaFontaine, Randy Wood, Randy Hillier and a 4th round pick.

At the time of the trade Turgeon had 323 points in 322 games. He finished his career with 1327 points in 1294 games. He had four solid seasons in NYI before he was moved to Montreal. Lafontaine had two incredible seasons in Buffalo. He scored 93 points in 57 games in 1991/92 and then had a ridiculous 148 points in 84 games the following season. He was plagued by concussion issues the next two seasons before rebounding with 91 points in 76 games in 1995/1996. The Sabres and Islander didn't improve much as a team due to the trade.

1989-1991: Sundin, Lindros and Nolan deals were outlined above.

1992: Roman Hamrlik. On December 30th, 1997 in the middle of this 5th NHL season, Hamrlik was deal to the Edmonton Oilers for Steve Kelly, Jason Bonsignore and Bryan Marchment. Oilers fans are well aware that Bonsignore (4th overall in 1994) and Kelly (6th overall in 1995) turned out to be busts. Marchment played 22 games in Tampa before he was moved to San Jose for Andrei Nazarov.

Hamrlik was a top-pairing D-man in Edmonton for three years before he was dealt to the Islanders for Eric Brewer, Josh Green and Brad Winchester.

1993: Alexandre Daigle. After 4 1/2 seasons in Ottawa Daigle was dealt to Philadelphia for Pat Falloon (2nd overall pick in 1991) and Vinny Prospal. Prospal was a 3rd round pick in 1993, but he ended up being the best player in the deal playing over 1108 games. He is currently a UFA, but teams have expressed interest in signing him.

Daigle played 616 games, but never lived up to his draft position.  Falloon played 575 games.

1994: Ed Jovanovski. Jovanovski made his NHL debut in 1995 and played 3 1/2 years in Florida before being moved to Vancouver with Dave Gagner, Kevin Weekes, Mike Brown and a 1st round pick for Pavel Bure, Brad Ference, Bret Hedican and a 3rd round pick.

Bure was clearly the best player in the deal, and he scored 58 and 69 goals his first two full seasons in Florida. If he doesn't get injured, the deal would have been even more lopsided. Jovanovski played 6 1/2 years with the Canucks before signing a huge free agent deal with Phoenix.

1995: Bryan Berard. Berard told the Senators he wouldn't report and he was traded six months later, before playing a game in the NHL. The Senators dealt Berard, Don Beaupre and Martin Straka to the Islanders for Wade Redden and Damien Rhodes.

Berard won the Calder trophy in 1997, but he was traded after only 2 1/2 season on Long Island to the Leafs for Felix Potvin. Fourteen months later Berard suffered a horrible eye injury when he was hit by Marian Hossa's stick.

Redden played 11 solid seasons in Ottawa before signing a huge UFA deal with the Rangers.

2006: Erik Johnson. Outlined above.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

 Would there be a risk in moving Yakupov? You bet, a significant one, but there is also the possibility of a significant return.

The Nordiques made great trades involving Lindros and Nolan.

St.Louis has benefitted nicely from dealing Johnson to Colorado.

Ottawa won the Daigle and Berard deals.

I'd say the Sabres won the Turgeon/LaFontaine deal. Despite being injured, Lafontaine scored 385 points in 268 games over six seasons in Buffalo. Turgeon had 195 points in 255 games with NYI, before he was dealt to Montreal.

On the other hand....

Quebec clearly lost the Sundin deal, it wasn't close. At least the Avs managed to make a solid secondary move acquiring Lemieux for Clark.

Detroit lost the Joe Murphy trade, and so did Tampa Bay moving Hamrlik. Both times the Oilers were the beneficiary.

Middle ground...

The Wickenheiser deal had no impact for either team.

Florida won the Bure deal right away, but his injuries evened it out for the Canucks.

PARTING SHOTS...

  • Taylor Hall will have an MRI today. The last thing the Oilers need is bad news regarding Hall's knee. For his sake and the team's you hope he's only out a few weeks.
     
  • Tyler Pitlick has been recalled and he could make his NHL debut tomorrow if Ryan Smyth or Jordan Eberle are unable to play. Both Smyth and Eberle are day-to-day according to Eakins.
     
  • Is this the cure for the Oilers injury woes? Maybe not. It depends what you believe in.
     
  • Make sure you take the time and go vote today. Good luck to all of those with a name on the ballot.  

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#1 OilDieHard
October 21 2013, 12:05PM
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i was actually hoping we didn't win the lottery so we could draft Ryan Murray. seems to me we needed him more than Yak. this might be one time where winning the lottery isn't actually a win?

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#2 Dubs-nik
October 21 2013, 12:12PM
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Syst!

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#3 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2013, 12:15PM
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I’m right most of the time. I’m delusional for the rest of it.

If we could only go back and take Galchenyuk. Hard to hit a home run 3 times in a row.

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#4 rubbertrout
October 21 2013, 12:24PM
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People always seem to forget that the cap space that Boston got with trading Thorton allowed them to sign a guy by the name of Zdeno Chara. That seems to have worked out for them.

It might not have been immediately apparent (or possibly even intended) but it is a reality.

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#5 bwar
October 21 2013, 12:32PM
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The only way I'd trade one of the young guns is if we get an elite d-man in return.

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#6 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
October 21 2013, 12:33PM
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@ Jason Gregor

Great article. I agree that Yakupov likely has very high trade value based on elite scoring potential and time remaining on his ELC.

If flipping Yak into a young, established, gritty winger/d-man brings some balance to the team, then I think everyone in Oilers Nation would learn to love the trade.

My question is: if management's seriously considering dealing Yakupov, how does that affect contract talks with Hemsky? My feeling going into the season is that Hemsky would be moved for something before the deadline. Do you think they'd prefer to hang on to him if they send Yak out? I'd hate to see Ales walk as a free agent AND have Yak moved out of town.

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#7 K_Mart
October 21 2013, 12:34PM
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Good research, good article, and good points.

With the injuries this team seems to always suffer, I'd have to disagree, and say that we need the depth, and believe we can get the versatility in player types through either drafting or FA's.

Trading Yak or Ebs isn't completely off the table, but if a solidified #1 d man under the age of 30, with term, isn't coming back, than I would never support the trade.

One of the following d men would HAVE to be coming our way, some are too old, some too good, but when I look at these names I just can't think of a possible trade that could occur that would result in being a reasonable trade for both sides...

PK Subban, Kristopher Letang, Ryan Suter, Cody Franson, Dustin Byfuglien, Niklas Kronwall, Shea Weber, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Brian Campbell, Mike Green, Duncan Keith, Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Vyacheslav Voynov, Jay Bouwmeester, Alexander Edler, Kevin Shattenkirk, Drew Doughty, Brent Seabrook, Fedor Tyutin, Zdeno Chara, Jack Johnson, Tobias Enström, Erik Karlsson , Kimmo Timonen, Dion Phaneuf,

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#8 Will
October 21 2013, 12:37PM
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As long as the trade makes the team better, there's no reason any player shouldn't be traded. If we lost Yak for an elite goalie and a legit top two (maybe not a stud D man like Chara, Subban, or Weber but a legit top two), then I'd be okay with that. The problem is that our legit top two guy is already kind of on the way in Nurse. I look at our prospect pool this year and at every position but goalie, there are some very good players, and all types no less from the coke machine that can play with skill, to the big centerman that mucks it up, to the D man that can do it all. Before I ever traded Yak, I would look at what a combination of some of our prospects and draft picks might net instead.

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#9 Paq Twinn
October 21 2013, 12:41PM
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So the big thing I got from this was we traded a yet to be drafted Lucic with Reasoner and Y.Stastny for Samsonov. That hurts, what with Samsonov falling off the face of the earth following that Cup run, along with everything and everyone else.

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#11 Scooter
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I hate to say it. But I would rather be patient. Hemsky gone eventually, usually one of the top line injured. I think the oilers need yak. What top Dman could we trade for ? None that I see. Will only ever happen if the Cap makes it happen down the road.

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#12 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 21 2013, 12:47PM
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Wow Gregor... Well done!

I enjoyed this article very much - well researched and cool to see the history. The poster of 8-bit first overalls - awesome!

But that article from the journal was magic! I want the Oil to try it out, just so I can see the features on TV. Man, I would love to see Jay and Dan tell that story!

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#14 Dan 1919
October 21 2013, 01:02PM
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Nashville is again snake bitten in the offensive department this year. Would they not move one of Weber or Jones for a top forward? I thought Weber said he didn't want to come to Edm.

Would Jones for Yak be worth it for both sides?

Jones, kelfbom, Shultz,Nurse... All of a sudden defence is looking as good as offence.

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#15 27Ginge
October 21 2013, 01:03PM
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The poster was cool but Crosby's stick is in the wrong hand.

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#16 Racki
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Again, I'm all for trading whatever it takes to get a #1D. Not sure who they could plunder (Weber still my best guess), but I would be OK losing a Yakupov and/or some other assets like the 1st for 2014 or guys like Marincin. Cue the thumbs down train..

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#17 WONGER TO MAC T
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STAUBITZ on waivers! Pick him up now!!!! TOUGH, CAN PLAY, A BETTER HORDICHUK!!! You still need more toughness, especially CRAZY TOUGHNESS up front!!! This is your man!!! Oh yeah, trade fpr ENGELLAND for 6-7 D spot. Can play and VERY, VERY TOUGH!!!!! GO MAC T!!!! THE WONGER NEVER STEERS YOU WONG!!! HAHA!!!! REMEMBER, I TIPPED YOU OFF ON MAC going on waivers, and GAZDIC!!!!! OTTAWA game looked liked MEN vs BOYS even though you won. Hall and Eberle banged up!!!! Let's get BIGGER and TOUGHER!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT MAC T!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#18 oilers2k10
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I don't think you can compare what's happened in the past with what's gonna happen here if Yak gets traded..to small of a sample size.. And Yakupov was also never considered a generational talent Like Eric Lindros so the return would be alot less..even MacKinnon wouldn't generate anywhere close to the return that Lindros got..McDavid would be the closest..but with the scouting being the way it is now (where teams know that the drop off isn't that far off in the top five) a return like that would likely never happen again..

Keep Yakupov, he's pretty much a lock to score 30 plus goals a year in the future..just keep him and surround him with good all around players..he's no Ovechkin but I think he could be like a Phil Kessel.

Just keep him damnit, give him the same patience that Hall, and RNH were given damnit.

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#19 Zipdot
October 21 2013, 01:05PM
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In a year, this article will be prettttty funny to read. Yak is our superstar. We don't trade our superstar.

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#20 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
October 21 2013, 01:09PM
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@Jason Gregor

Fair enough. Thanks for the info. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out over the next few months...

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#21 pkam
October 21 2013, 01:21PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Nashville is again snake bitten in the offensive department this year. Would they not move one of Weber or Jones for a top forward? I thought Weber said he didn't want to come to Edm.

Would Jones for Yak be worth it for both sides?

Jones, kelfbom, Shultz,Nurse... All of a sudden defence is looking as good as offence.

If we try to trade Yak, one team we can ignore is Nashville. After the great experience with Radulov and AK, I think they will be very cautious with Russian players.

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#22 pkam
October 21 2013, 01:30PM
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Racki wrote:

Again, I'm all for trading whatever it takes to get a #1D. Not sure who they could plunder (Weber still my best guess), but I would be OK losing a Yakupov and/or some other assets like the 1st for 2014 or guys like Marincin. Cue the thumbs down train..

Yak + 1st round pick / Marincin for Weber? You can dream but it will not happen. If Weber is an Oilers, will you trade him for a 1st overall pick, a 1st round pick and a top prospect?

No to mention that Nashville will be very cautious with Russian players after being burn by Radulov and AK.

I think it will cost us something like Hall or RNH, Nurse and a 1st round pick.

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#23 Anonymous
October 21 2013, 01:33PM
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WONGER TO MAC T wrote:

STAUBITZ on waivers! Pick him up now!!!! TOUGH, CAN PLAY, A BETTER HORDICHUK!!! You still need more toughness, especially CRAZY TOUGHNESS up front!!! This is your man!!! Oh yeah, trade fpr ENGELLAND for 6-7 D spot. Can play and VERY, VERY TOUGH!!!!! GO MAC T!!!! THE WONGER NEVER STEERS YOU WONG!!! HAHA!!!! REMEMBER, I TIPPED YOU OFF ON MAC going on waivers, and GAZDIC!!!!! OTTAWA game looked liked MEN vs BOYS even though you won. Hall and Eberle banged up!!!! Let's get BIGGER and TOUGHER!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT MAC T!!!!!!!!!!!!

Relax Wonger! The Oil are very close to two deals - a big one and a little one- and you are going to be very happy with who we bring in! My sources are way better than..... you'll see!!!!! ssssshhhhhhh.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#24 Acumen
October 21 2013, 01:34PM
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@Dan 1919

I've been screaming Yakupov for Jones/one of the picks that would net Jones since before the draft.

It sucks that he went to Nashville as they would probably be a little more sour on Russians than anyone who isn't Columbus, but I think a Yakupov for Jones deal makes perfect sense for both sides. Nashville has Weber and is already stacked with young D, and they've needed offensive firepower since... 1998?

Nurse-Jones down the road would be devastating.

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#25 OilCanFan
October 21 2013, 01:37PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Nashville is again snake bitten in the offensive department this year. Would they not move one of Weber or Jones for a top forward? I thought Weber said he didn't want to come to Edm.

Would Jones for Yak be worth it for both sides?

Jones, kelfbom, Shultz,Nurse... All of a sudden defence is looking as good as offence.

I don't know why Nashville would trade either of those players, I'd think they're going to be there for a while. It seems right now that they are one of the few teams in a position with 2 pretty darn good defenders, but like the poster @pkam says, I'm not sure they'd make that trade.

I also don't know why Edmonton would trade Yakupov, I can't see any realistic trades that would benefit them.

What players are legitimate #1 defenders that would be considered for a trade by their current team?

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#26 AdamfromOilfans
October 21 2013, 01:42PM
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Reading that list of traded top picks, I see only one time when trading a forward that was a #1 where it was a clear win - the Lindros deal. And even that wouldn't have looked good if the prospect involved, one Peter Forsberg, hadn't turned out to be All-World.

There's a few pushes - Turgeon/Lafontaine, Nolan/Ozolinsh aren't big wins for either side. Daigle for Falloon and Prospal isn't a big win, since Prospal only played 3.5 years for Ottawa with fairly pedestrian numbers before being traded for a conditional draft pick.

Pretty much all the rest are terrible. Murphy trumps Carson just by himself, never mind with Sharples, Klima and Graves thrown in. The Thornton deal was a very poor decision, as they got some role players that didn't stick around very long for a guy who's top ten in the league in points since that time. Sundin and change for Clark and change is brutal.

I discount the defence trades, because they aren't as comparable to our situation. Defencemen drafted #1 overall seem to rarely be high octane, offensive players, which changes the likelihood that you're going to look stupid later on. That said, even there, it's not always a great idea. Tampa made an idiotic move dealing Hamrlik to the Oilers for Marchment, Kelly and Bonsignore.

Looking at those trades, I think what they should illustrate isn't that there's a great opportunity for the Oilers in dealing Yakupov, it's that the greater likelihood is that you're going to lose the deal. The Oilers don't want to trade for more future, which means that you're probably dealing quality for quantity like the Thornton deal. There's very rarely Turgeon/Lafontaine or Hawerchuk/Housley type deals made any more. While there's a list of defencemen that I'd be willing to trade Yakupov for, I doubt any of those teams make that move. As for forwards, who is a likely target that the Oilers could take a run at?

I worry that the player on the Oilers' minds is and has always been Lucic and that we'd surrender Yakupov straight up for him. Given the style of game he plays, I do not expect Milan Lucic to be the same player he is today after the age of 30, and over the course of his career, he's scored at a rate of just 0.59 points per game. I fear that we'd give Boston a player who'll lead them in scoring for a decade for a guy who'll start dealing with more and more injuries within two to three years and drop off the map after five.

If not Lucic, is there another forward in the league who's a legitimate straight-up option for the Oilers?

I think we're better to hold on to all four for now...although if I am forced to trade one, it's still Eberle. I don't think the ceiling is as high for him as it is for Yakupov. Great players both, and I wouldn't advocate getting rid of either, but I think long-run, Yakupov is the more important piece.

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#27 westcoastoil
October 21 2013, 01:44PM
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Trading Yak scares the hell out of me until you know what you actually have unless you get a true #1 D back and that happens once every 4 years or so.

If you look at the elite D in the league, 99% of the time a team with either drafted him, or got him via FA. The only possible deal I could see that makes sense for both sides would be some kind of combo involving Yak and OEL - and if I'm Phoenix I'm not in a rush to make that trade.

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#28 Anonymous
October 21 2013, 01:45PM
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I don't know why Nashville would trade either of those players, I'd think they're going to be there for a while. It seems right now that they are one of the few teams in a position with 2 pretty darn good defenders, but like the poster @pkam says, I'm not sure they'd make that trade.

I also don't know why Edmonton would trade Yakupov, I can't see any realistic trades that would benefit them.

What players are legitimate #1 defenders that would be considered for a trade by their current team?

Weber would love to play for the Oilers....ask him yourself ... so would Tootoo in Detroit..... fucntional toughness could be on the way soon...very soon .... don't tell Wonger...ssshhhh.....!!!!!!!!!

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#29 Mikey
October 21 2013, 01:45PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I’m right most of the time. I’m delusional for the rest of it.

If we could only go back and take Galchenyuk. Hard to hit a home run 3 times in a row.

Not sure why you got the thumbs down. Montreal got a great player, someone who the oilers would love to have. It's who I would have picked for sure.

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#30 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 01:49PM
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How about instead of the 'Space clearing' they have an exorcism and get rid of the six ringed demon?

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#31 Rama Lama
October 21 2013, 01:59PM
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Great overview on trading away one of our younger players and the dynamics involved surrounding this.

I would have no problems trading away Yaks, the problem I see is now is the inability for our current coach to properly utilize our current talent, let alone new talent.

We have highly skilled players who have never been on the PK now killing penalties ahead of players who have made a career out of this. Same on the PP and line combinations that clearly have not worked. It seems that DE wants to ride the top six in all situations so bringing in fresh talent is questionable. Case in point, Jones who has been an effective PK and 3rd line player plays just six minutes.

Even if MacT brings in two or three pieces whats to say they will be effectively utilized by Dallas Eakins? I'm tired of revolving Coaches every year but replacing Krueger made absolutely no sense to me especially since Smith and Bucky have never been replaced........exactly who is running the show? The strain of multiple coaching systems is starting to show and it seems that the players are tired of this given they still have not learned the new Dallas Eakins coaching system.

If I were MacT, I would look at making changes in the off-season both for players and coaches.......it seems this year will be another write-off.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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#33 Mikey
October 21 2013, 02:04PM
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Good research, good article, and good points.

With the injuries this team seems to always suffer, I'd have to disagree, and say that we need the depth, and believe we can get the versatility in player types through either drafting or FA's.

Trading Yak or Ebs isn't completely off the table, but if a solidified #1 d man under the age of 30, with term, isn't coming back, than I would never support the trade.

One of the following d men would HAVE to be coming our way, some are too old, some too good, but when I look at these names I just can't think of a possible trade that could occur that would result in being a reasonable trade for both sides...

PK Subban, Kristopher Letang, Ryan Suter, Cody Franson, Dustin Byfuglien, Niklas Kronwall, Shea Weber, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Brian Campbell, Mike Green, Duncan Keith, Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Vyacheslav Voynov, Jay Bouwmeester, Alexander Edler, Kevin Shattenkirk, Drew Doughty, Brent Seabrook, Fedor Tyutin, Zdeno Chara, Jack Johnson, Tobias Enström, Erik Karlsson , Kimmo Timonen, Dion Phaneuf,

Some of your names are sketchy. Kimmo Timonen? For Yak? Dion Phaneuf? No thanks.

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#34 oilabroad
October 21 2013, 02:04PM
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I dont understand all the yak love here, it is apparent we have so many holes to fill on this roster, trading a one dimensional scorer seems like a no brainer with all the talent we already have... I bet Phoenix would do Samuelson plus for Yak, it would be a trade that fills a need for both teams

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#35 fluxite
October 21 2013, 02:08PM
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Stop this one man push to trade yak!

If u do that, u may as well trade gags 2

Its a stupid move

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#36 beloch
October 21 2013, 02:12PM
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"If I could touch them with my om forks, I could help get their fluid flowing through their spinal cord and up to their brain. They would feel good and it would bring in good energy"

I seriously never expected to read something like that in a link posted to a hockey blog. I didn't even know what an om fork was until I googled it! So... uh... Thanks?

Om forks ftw!

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#37 Anonymous
October 21 2013, 02:28PM
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Hiller, Etem or Maroon to Oilers soon!!!!!!!!!!! Plus Brian Allen!!!!!!!

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#38 Wonger
October 21 2013, 02:30PM
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Hiller, Etem or Maroon to Oilers soon!!!!!!!!!!! Plus Brian Allen!!!!!!!

I hope its Maroon, and I hope its soon(Rhymes....Wonger Rap!!!)

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#39 Spydr
October 21 2013, 02:34PM
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Wonger wrote:

I hope its Maroon, and I hope its soon(Rhymes....Wonger Rap!!!)

Oil should hire Wonger for Director of Enforcer and Functional Toughness Personel!

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#40 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2013, 02:35PM
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Hiller, Etem or Maroon to Oilers soon!!!!!!!!!!! Plus Brian Allen!!!!!!!

Now that, would be a kneejerk reaction. Better to just ride this season out than add those marginal players. Edmonton has room for only one more contract I believe right now. The Ducks are the best team in the league right now. They need this deal like they need a hole in the head.

A Weber type of deal is the only thing that'll have the immediate impact on this season. Until this type of move is available to Craig, those kids stay bolted to the floor.

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#41 Wonger
October 21 2013, 02:36PM
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Oil should hire Wonger for Director of Enforcer and Functional Toughness Personel!

I would work for the Oil for Free... I've already ade my millions!!!!

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#42 MessyEH!
October 21 2013, 02:36PM
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K_Mart wrote:

Good research, good article, and good points.

With the injuries this team seems to always suffer, I'd have to disagree, and say that we need the depth, and believe we can get the versatility in player types through either drafting or FA's.

Trading Yak or Ebs isn't completely off the table, but if a solidified #1 d man under the age of 30, with term, isn't coming back, than I would never support the trade.

One of the following d men would HAVE to be coming our way, some are too old, some too good, but when I look at these names I just can't think of a possible trade that could occur that would result in being a reasonable trade for both sides...

PK Subban, Kristopher Letang, Ryan Suter, Cody Franson, Dustin Byfuglien, Niklas Kronwall, Shea Weber, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Brian Campbell, Mike Green, Duncan Keith, Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Vyacheslav Voynov, Jay Bouwmeester, Alexander Edler, Kevin Shattenkirk, Drew Doughty, Brent Seabrook, Fedor Tyutin, Zdeno Chara, Jack Johnson, Tobias Enström, Erik Karlsson , Kimmo Timonen, Dion Phaneuf,

Dion Phaneuf so nice you named him twice.

If I was to make the trade that would send a fab fiver flying. It would be Eberle. Biggest return with the least to lose. Eberle would get you Phaneuf. Eberle and Gagner + picks might get you Webber.

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#43 Allycatx
October 21 2013, 02:41PM
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Yak is a talent when he has the puck but u have to play away from the puck nowadays and right now he does not know how , lots of poke checks and flybys around the boards. Granted he may become a stud in the NHL at some point but we are years away unt he really gets it. I say trade bait for the future now to upgrade team , also no more talk about dybbuk he can do the job folks just need a little patience , it's all coming together just not pace a lot of fans want it too

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#44 Spydr
October 21 2013, 02:44PM
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Yak is a talent when he has the puck but u have to play away from the puck nowadays and right now he does not know how , lots of poke checks and flybys around the boards. Granted he may become a stud in the NHL at some point but we are years away unt he really gets it. I say trade bait for the future now to upgrade team , also no more talk about dybbuk he can do the job folks just need a little patience , it's all coming together just not pace a lot of fans want it too

You meant Flubnyk.

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October 21 2013, 02:48PM
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@MessyEH!

[Eberle and Gagner + picks might get you Webber.]

With the change we have leftover from that deal. We could also bring in Couturier.

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#46 @stevegregson02
October 21 2013, 02:48PM
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I don't have a lot of faith in Oiler management or coaching but for the love of sweet Jesus I hope no one is stupid enough to trade Yakupov this or next season while he's on his ELC. Really Gregor?? First you throw out "alternative" medicine to help change the room energy in edmonton to help aid injuries. Now you examine the history of trading 1st overall picks and more less conclude tht it works out half of the time. How about we hope the Oilers use logic and don't jump the gun on trading a player who at 54 games into his career has the same amount of pts and goals as Hall and Tavares. Jesus h chakra Christ

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#47 SLURVE
October 21 2013, 03:22PM
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Lets not get too reactionary here. We are less than 10 games into the season with a new coach and system, lets not pull a New York Islander type of move. Jason, when you stated space clearing in one of your article, I did not know it involved trading first overall picks, can't they build a bigger dressing room instead?

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#48 Jay
October 21 2013, 03:28PM
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Trade yakupov? Leave it to edmonton to get 3 1st overalls and then trade the best one of them away!!!

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#49 jt in Oilertown
October 21 2013, 03:31PM
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Best part of the Wickenheiser trade is that draft pick could have been Gretzky.

Montreal traded two players to Colorado in 1976 for the option to swap picks in the 1980 draft. At the time, the NHL draft age was 19. Colorado finished last, so Montreal exercised the option.

Lots of ifs, but:

IF Skalbania doesn't sign Gretzky IF Skalbania doesn't sell him to the Oilers IF the WHA and the NHL don't merge in 1979

Theoretical revisionist history to be sure, but can you imagine Gretzky as a Hab?

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#50 DonDon
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If we're being very clinical about this discussion, should the Oil trade any of their top draft choices, Hall's name should up front. Some speak of Yak as one dimensional, if we're being honest here isn't Hall? Besides, Hall seems prone to injury and may have a short career. Better to deal him now while his market value is still high?

This team is a long way from competing for the SC. It is missing two NHL centres, at least one top paring D and, overall, is too small to play with the big teams who can physically push them around.

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