HISTORY OF TRADING #1 OVERALL PICKS

Jason Gregor
October 21 2013 12:01PM

I still believe that sometime in the future, not right away, but within two years, the Oilers should deal one of their four young offensive stars. Many don't like the idea, which I understand, but I was perplexed why some felt that suggesting the Oilers will deal one of them meant I felt the players weren't any good.

That isn't the case. The reason I would trade one of them, likely Nail Yakupov, is because he is damn good, and if the deal were done properly the Oilers would be able to fill a few other key holes on the team.

Again, I'm not suggesting it will happen right away, but if it does, I believe it would be the right move. Let me explain.

The Oilers currently have too many similar forwards. Young, skilled, not overly aggressive and none who are defensively sound, at least not yet. I'm certain that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will become an excellent two-way player, and likely so too with Jordan Eberle. I doubt Taylor Hall or Nail Yakupov will ever be in the running for the Selke trophy, but that isn't a bad thing.

The league has many great players who will never be Selke candidates. Patrick Kane is never going to be one, and that is why he and Jonathan Toews complement one another so well. Kane is the cold-blooded sniper, while Toews is an offensive threat with a great defensive conscience.

I'm sure Hall and Nugent-Hopkins could fill those roles nicely as they mature.

Great teams have skill guys who can beat you in different ways. Chicago's top-four forwards are a mixture of pure offensive skill, Kane, solid two-way players in Toews and Patrick Sharp, while Hossa has elite skill, and he's a heavy forward. Hossa is extremely hard to knock off the puck, and he's one of the best skaters in the game.

The Bruins top-six is a combination of skill, size, nastiness and a solid two-way game. They don't have any elite scorers. Last year Brad Marchand led them in goals, 18, and points, 36. When they won the Cup in 2011, Milan Lucic and David Krejci tied for the team lead with 62 points. But they had incredible balance in their top-six and down the lineup.

Krejci and Patrice Bergeron are solid two-way players. Lucic and Marchand can score, hit and fight. Tyler Seguin had 67 points his 2nd season, while Nathan Horton had skill and size. They dealt Seguin, but added Loui Eriksson and Jarome Iginla.

The Detroit Red Wings went to back-to-back Stanley Cup finals with two great offensive players in Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. They were surrounded by solid complementary players in Johan Franzen, Tomas Holmstrom, Jiri Hudler, Dan Cleary or Mikael Samuelsson. Again, we saw a combination of great skill and two-way play, size, grit and experience.

All of those teams were built a bit differently, but the one thing they shared in common was their top-two lines had players who contained different size and skill sets; they all weren't pure offensive stars.

The other main ingredient those teams possessed was they had an elite defenceman; Zdeno Chara, Nick Lidstrom and Duncan Keith. On top of finding more balance amongst their top-six the Oilers need to find a true top-pairing D-man.

That is the main reason why I would consider moving one of the skilled wingers. I believe they are attractive enough to garner a solid return.

MOVING # OVERALL PICKS

Teams have traded first overall picks before. I'm sure the St. Louis Blues wish they would have drafted Jordan Staal or Jonathan Toews instead of Erik Johnson first overall in 2006, but they didn't.

They did, however, make a very good trade when they dealt him, Jay McClement and a first round pick (11th overall, Duncan Siemens) to Colorado for Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart and conditional 2nd round pick (Ty Rattie).

I think it is safe to say the Blues clearly won that trade. One of the main reasons they were able to deal Johnson was because they drafted Alex Pietrangelo in 2008. They had a legit #1 D-man, and while they knew Johnson wasn't going to be a #1 D-man, Colorado clearly felt they could mold him into one.

That is the advantage of dealing a #1 overall pick. He has value. Most opposing teams consider him as a first overall selection.

The only other #1 pick to be traded in the salary cap era was Joe Thornton.

Thornton was dealt to San Jose at the quarter point of his 8th season in Boston. Mike O'Connell was the GM at the time and made a horrible trade. He didn't allow teams to get into a bidding war for the 26-year-old Thornton. Instead he moved him to the San Jose Sharks for Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau.

It was a brutal deal for the Bruins. Thornton went on to win the Hart Trophy that year, while O'Connell was fired later that season on March 25th, 2006. I'm sure Oilers fans remember that 16 days before being fired O'Connell sent the 8th overall pick from Thornton's 1997 draft class, Sergei Samsonov, to Edmonton for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and a 2nd round pick. O'Connell wasn't around that summer when the Bruins took Lucic 50th overall.

The Bruins were a team in transition when they dealt Thornton. They had finished 2nd in the east in 2004, but they lost in seven games in the first round. Thornton didn't have one point in seven games.

Then the lockout came, and when the NHL returned the Bruins lost Michael Nylander, Brian Rolston, Mike Knuble, Sean O'Donnell and Sergei Gonchar to free agency. The Bruins were ten points out of the playoffs on November 30th, 2005 so O'Connell decided to move Thornton. I have no idea why he accepted such a minimal return, but it cost him his job, but then Peter Chiarelli was hired and the Bruins built their team around free agent defenceman Zdeno Chara.

MacTavish must ensure that if he contemplates moving Yakupov, me has to contact every other GM in the league, something O'Connell failed to do.

COMPARISONS

The other only team in NHL history who had three consecutive first overall selections was the Quebec Nordiques, and strangely enough, the Nordiques/Avalanc;e traded all three players within five years of drafting them.

The Nordiques used the first pick to select Mats Sundin in 1989, Owen Nolan in 1990 and Eric Lindros in 1991.

LINDROS TRADE

Lindros never played a game in Quebec. He held out for a year before he was traded to Philadelphia on June 30th, 1992.

The Nordiques received: Peter Forsberg (6th pick in 1991), Mike Ricci (he had been drafted 4th overall 14 days before the trade), Steve Duchene, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two additional first round picks and $15 million in cash.  Of course this type of deal would never happen today due to the salary cap, and the fact you can't trade cash only cap space, but it was a good deal for both teams.

The Flyers gained a dominant player, but the Nordiques got one hell of a return.

Forsberg became a superstar; Ricci was a solid contributor, 17 points in 22 games during the 1996 Stanley Cup run while Chris Simon was a role player in their Cup victory. The rest of the players were traded away for other assets.

SUNDIN TRADE

At the 1994 NHL draft the Nordiques and Maple Leafs made a major trade. After playing four seasons with the Nordiques, Sundin was dealt to the Maple Leafs along with Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and the 10th overall pick (Nolan Baumgartner) in exchange for Wendel Clark Clark (1st overall pick in 1985), Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and the 22nd pick (Jeff Kealty).

The Leafs clearly won this trade. Sundin went on to a Hall of Fame career with the Leafs.

Lefebvre was a steady #4 D-man for the Avs, and he was an alternate captain, but he was not close to Sundin in talent. He played 48 games in Quebec due to the lockout shortened 1994/1995 season, and then won a Cup in Colorado the next season.

Clark played the 1994/1995 season with the Nordiques, but then he got into a contract dispute with the Avalanche, and was dealt to the Islanders as part of a three-way deal. Clark went to NYI, Steve Thomas went to New Jersey and Claude Lemieux went to Colorado.

While they didn't come close to winning the Sundin trade, at least the Avs salvaged some dignity by acquiring Lemieux for Clark.

The Nordiques traded Sundin because they wanted to make room for Peter Forsberg. Forsberg made his debut in the 1994/1995 season and picked up 50 points in 47 games. The Nordiques had Joe Sakic, Sundin and Ricci, and they felt they couldn't use all of them down the middle when Forsberg arrived, so they moved Sundin.

They gave up the best player in the deal, but they had the luxury of slotting in Forsberg to replace him.

NOLAN TRADE

Nolan was traded nine games into the 1995/1996 season. He was dealt to the San Jose Sharks for Sandis Ozolinsh.

After the trade the Avalanche still had Sakic, Forsberg, Ricci, Lemieux, Valeri Kamensky, Scott Young, Adam Deadmarsh, Andrei Kovalenko and Martin Rucinsky in their top-nine, but the most offensive oriented D-man they had prior to acquiring Ozolinsh was Craig Wolanin.

Ozolinsh gave them an elite puck moving D-man, while the Sharks got a 30-goal scorer.

I'd give the Avs the edge in this deal. They filled a major hole on their blueline, and Ozolinsh gave them a different element in their offensive attack. He could get the puck up to their elite offensive players quickly.

Avalanche GM Pierre Lacroix wasn't afraid to make moves. His best deal came two months after the Ozolinsh/Nolan deal, when he acquired Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for Kovalenko, Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault.

Canadiens GM Rejean Houle was on the job for six weeks before Lacroix fleeced him in the Roy deal.

It should be noted the Avalanche's payroll was the 11th highest in 1996, and it wasn't until after the Avs won that they started spending like crazy. Lacroix had the luxury of a rich owner to keep the team together, but he should get credit for making some very good trades to build a Stanley Cup winning team in 1996.

OTHER TRADES INVOLVING #1 PICKS...

In the last 30 years, many first overall picks have been traded, and surprisingly most of those that were dealt, were traded before completing their 5th NHL season. Players like Dale Hawerchuk, Wendel Clark, Joe Thornton, Ilya Kovalchuk and Rick Nash were dealt after playing 7-9 years with their teams.

Here are the #1 picks who were traded before the end of their 5th NHL season.

1980: Doug Wichenheiser. He'll always been known as the player the Canadiens drafted instead of picking Denis Savard. The Habs is that they weren't the only team to bypass Savard. The Winnipeg Jets selected Dave Babych 2nd overall, before the Blackhawks happily took Savard.

Midway through his 4th season with the Habs Wickenheiser along with Gilbert Delhorme and Greg Paslawski were traded to the St.Louis Blues for Perry Turnbull. Wickenheiser scored 23 goals in 68 games with the Blues that year, but he never scored more than 13 after that. Turnbull was a major bust for the Habs. He scored 13 points in 40 games before they traded him to Winnipeg for Lucien Deblois after the 1983 season.

1986: Joe Murphy. Murphy spent his first two seasons splitting time between the Detroit Red Wings and their AHL affiliate. Nine games into his 3rd NHL season Murphy was dealt to the Edmonton Oilers along with Adam Graves, Petr Klima and Jeff Sharples for Jimmy Carson, Kevin McClelland and a 5th round pick.

Carson was the 2nd pick in 1986, and had scored 55 and 49 goals prior to the trade, but the Oilers easily won the deal. Murphy, Graves and Klima were key contributors to the Oilers 1990 Stanley Cup victory, while Sharples was traded to New Jersey later that year for Reijo Ruotsalainen, who scored 13 points in 22 playoff games in 1990.

1987: Pierre Turgeon. On October 25th, 1991 Turgeon was eight games into his 5th NHL season when the Sabres traded him along with Uwe Krupp, Benoit Hogue and Dave McLlwain to the New York Islanders for Pat LaFontaine, Randy Wood, Randy Hillier and a 4th round pick.

At the time of the trade Turgeon had 323 points in 322 games. He finished his career with 1327 points in 1294 games. He had four solid seasons in NYI before he was moved to Montreal. Lafontaine had two incredible seasons in Buffalo. He scored 93 points in 57 games in 1991/92 and then had a ridiculous 148 points in 84 games the following season. He was plagued by concussion issues the next two seasons before rebounding with 91 points in 76 games in 1995/1996. The Sabres and Islander didn't improve much as a team due to the trade.

1989-1991: Sundin, Lindros and Nolan deals were outlined above.

1992: Roman Hamrlik. On December 30th, 1997 in the middle of this 5th NHL season, Hamrlik was deal to the Edmonton Oilers for Steve Kelly, Jason Bonsignore and Bryan Marchment. Oilers fans are well aware that Bonsignore (4th overall in 1994) and Kelly (6th overall in 1995) turned out to be busts. Marchment played 22 games in Tampa before he was moved to San Jose for Andrei Nazarov.

Hamrlik was a top-pairing D-man in Edmonton for three years before he was dealt to the Islanders for Eric Brewer, Josh Green and Brad Winchester.

1993: Alexandre Daigle. After 4 1/2 seasons in Ottawa Daigle was dealt to Philadelphia for Pat Falloon (2nd overall pick in 1991) and Vinny Prospal. Prospal was a 3rd round pick in 1993, but he ended up being the best player in the deal playing over 1108 games. He is currently a UFA, but teams have expressed interest in signing him.

Daigle played 616 games, but never lived up to his draft position.  Falloon played 575 games.

1994: Ed Jovanovski. Jovanovski made his NHL debut in 1995 and played 3 1/2 years in Florida before being moved to Vancouver with Dave Gagner, Kevin Weekes, Mike Brown and a 1st round pick for Pavel Bure, Brad Ference, Bret Hedican and a 3rd round pick.

Bure was clearly the best player in the deal, and he scored 58 and 69 goals his first two full seasons in Florida. If he doesn't get injured, the deal would have been even more lopsided. Jovanovski played 6 1/2 years with the Canucks before signing a huge free agent deal with Phoenix.

1995: Bryan Berard. Berard told the Senators he wouldn't report and he was traded six months later, before playing a game in the NHL. The Senators dealt Berard, Don Beaupre and Martin Straka to the Islanders for Wade Redden and Damien Rhodes.

Berard won the Calder trophy in 1997, but he was traded after only 2 1/2 season on Long Island to the Leafs for Felix Potvin. Fourteen months later Berard suffered a horrible eye injury when he was hit by Marian Hossa's stick.

Redden played 11 solid seasons in Ottawa before signing a huge UFA deal with the Rangers.

2006: Erik Johnson. Outlined above.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

 Would there be a risk in moving Yakupov? You bet, a significant one, but there is also the possibility of a significant return.

The Nordiques made great trades involving Lindros and Nolan.

St.Louis has benefitted nicely from dealing Johnson to Colorado.

Ottawa won the Daigle and Berard deals.

I'd say the Sabres won the Turgeon/LaFontaine deal. Despite being injured, Lafontaine scored 385 points in 268 games over six seasons in Buffalo. Turgeon had 195 points in 255 games with NYI, before he was dealt to Montreal.

On the other hand....

Quebec clearly lost the Sundin deal, it wasn't close. At least the Avs managed to make a solid secondary move acquiring Lemieux for Clark.

Detroit lost the Joe Murphy trade, and so did Tampa Bay moving Hamrlik. Both times the Oilers were the beneficiary.

Middle ground...

The Wickenheiser deal had no impact for either team.

Florida won the Bure deal right away, but his injuries evened it out for the Canucks.

PARTING SHOTS...

  • Taylor Hall will have an MRI today. The last thing the Oilers need is bad news regarding Hall's knee. For his sake and the team's you hope he's only out a few weeks.
     
  • Tyler Pitlick has been recalled and he could make his NHL debut tomorrow if Ryan Smyth or Jordan Eberle are unable to play. Both Smyth and Eberle are day-to-day according to Eakins.
     
  • Is this the cure for the Oilers injury woes? Maybe not. It depends what you believe in.
     
  • Make sure you take the time and go vote today. Good luck to all of those with a name on the ballot.  

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#51 Smokey
October 21 2013, 03:33PM
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I don't understand why we are talking bout trading Yak when we don't know details about Hall. Frankly with Hall possibly out for awhile why don't we see what force feeding time to see what he will bring. We watched Taylor Hall turn over pucks for 3 years and be defensively irresponsible, lets see what we got in this young Russian.

There's room for Yak.

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#52 Soccer Steve
October 21 2013, 03:44PM
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We have a GM that convinced a team to take MPS straight-up for a MUCH better player. The same GM rid himself of the eternal-distraction in Horc and brought in a better, cheaper replacement. And he didn't allow his hand to get forced when nothing was out there for Hemsky.

When - not 'if' - one of these golden kids is traded, at least it seems as though the right man is in place to do it.

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#53 Bronson
October 21 2013, 03:47PM
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I'll take yak over any other player on this team. Trade anyone else

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#54 Geoff
October 21 2013, 04:05PM
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Can't trade yak. Looking at the history of the first overall picks how funny is it that they are a LW C and RW.

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#55 vetinari
October 21 2013, 04:22PM
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I think the point of the article was that at some point over the next few years (not weeks or months), one of the kids may need to be traded to fill in the gaps on the roster.

I would agree with this assessment because the Tambellini draft philosophy seemed to be, "draft for talent and worry about positional needs later" and we ended up with a talented non-physical centre (RNH) and a group of talented non-physical wingers (Hall, Eberle and Yakupov) and something will likely have to be done to change this dynamic at some point on our top two lines.

We will need to find a pair of power forwards (one centre and one winger) to complement and balance out the talent that we have already (if we do it through the draft or through UFA, we may not need to trade anyone), or else we have to trade one of our talented non-physical forwards for a couple of these type of players (this also ignores our need for a top 2 minute-munching defenceman or a consistent #1 goalie).

Trades are going to happen at some point but the key will be to find out what we have first before pulling the trigger on a deal. If Yakupov turns into a 40 goal scorer in the next two years, it will be hard to say goodbye to that kind of firepower and the team will likely keep him and trade someone else instead.

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#56 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 04:24PM
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Seems as though someone is trying to poach may handle.Sadly they can not spell it right.

Can't fight stupid.

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#57 Mac962
October 21 2013, 04:39PM
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Tootoo - slight risk , a real fireplug. At what price ? Lander ? Jones ? depends on Detroits need. Playing in Canada's most northern city could pump this guy. As if he needs it. He makes you look over your shoulder as a D man. Something we do not have. What would the Wings want for him ?

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#58 pkam
October 21 2013, 04:43PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

We have a GM that convinced a team to take MPS straight-up for a MUCH better player. The same GM rid himself of the eternal-distraction in Horc and brought in a better, cheaper replacement. And he didn't allow his hand to get forced when nothing was out there for Hemsky.

When - not 'if' - one of these golden kids is traded, at least it seems as though the right man is in place to do it.

The Blues didn't take MPS straight up for Perron, we had to package a 2nd rounder with MPS. It is too early to tell who wins that trade.

But since Perron is delivering what we expected of him, and MPS had been scratched for 5 games and only had 1 shot and 0 pts in 2 games, we are undoubtedly the winner at this moment.

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#59 Mac962
October 21 2013, 04:47PM
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Can't trade YAK ? Dont make me throw up in my mouth. Do you remember the Yashins or Kovalev's of this league ? I hope Yak is a Ovechkin but i see him more as an enigma. YAK is all about himself like most, not all , but most Russians. Show what you have YAK and i will drive you to the airport for a trade . I would never ever trade the likes of Eberle or Nuge or Hall before you. Put up or shut up. You have the Skill and perhaps have not been used properly yet, but crap or get off the pot.

Who here wouldnt think MTL would take YAK for Gallagher + ? perhaps the Habs wouldnt based on what they have seen. But Galchenyuk and Yak IF and i say IF YAK is motivated could be deadly.

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#60 pkam
October 21 2013, 04:59PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

We have a GM that convinced a team to take MPS straight-up for a MUCH better player. The same GM rid himself of the eternal-distraction in Horc and brought in a better, cheaper replacement. And he didn't allow his hand to get forced when nothing was out there for Hemsky.

When - not 'if' - one of these golden kids is traded, at least it seems as though the right man is in place to do it.

And I forgot to mention that it is a salary dump for the Blues, they need the cap space to sign Oshie and Pietrangelo.

So the Blues managed to sign both Oshie and Pietrangelo, and get MPS and a 2nd rounder for Perron. Not bad at all for the Blues.

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#61 Cynic
October 21 2013, 05:03PM
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O'Connell made a brutal trade? I got news for you, Oiler honk, the only thing that counts is called a Stanley Cup. Bruins 1 Sharks 0 I'm sure Bruins fans are happy to have Sleepy Joe win all the Hart Trophies he can manage in San Jose.

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#62 oilers2k10
October 21 2013, 05:09PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Why did you assume anyone compared him to Lindros? He was one of 11 examples used.

And as I outlined it has nothing to do with patience. I said I would trade one of them, because I don't see them winning with all the same type of players.I have no issues with Yakupov as a player. He's very skilled.

To be honest I never even read your article, I will but when I saw ANOTHER article/blog that has to do with Yakupov getting moved I went into instant rage mode.

I also don't get why you keep saying they can't win with the same types of players.

Hall is a speed demon, decent puck mover with a very good shot..RNH is an excellent two way forward with great offensive upside, Eberle is a dangler with great hockey IQ, and Yakupov is a pure sniper. All different types of players, but all very skilled.

Detroit has Datryuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Weiss..

Chicago has Toews, Sharp, Hossa, and Kane..all very skilled, yet different types of skilled players.

Hall is only 22, Yakupov 20..by the time these guys are at the same age that Toews and Kane are and if they're still on the same team they'll be one damn scary team to play against.

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#63 Mac962
October 21 2013, 05:18PM
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Smokey wrote:

I don't understand why we are talking bout trading Yak when we don't know details about Hall. Frankly with Hall possibly out for awhile why don't we see what force feeding time to see what he will bring. We watched Taylor Hall turn over pucks for 3 years and be defensively irresponsible, lets see what we got in this young Russian.

There's room for Yak.

When you have the puck most of the time it is quite obvious you may have more turnovers than others who rarely posses it. Thus Mr Yak. i dont see him with the puck that often. If you dont make mistakes, you are not trying. Right Nail ? Not saying you are not trying but to me you are beginning to show signs of ....i want the big bucks and see you later. I would take Hall on one leg and all heart before you with mediocre heart and a open wallet. Too early to pass judgement on you, this is just my gut feel. I would vote you off the island as soon as you show some of that highly touted skill and heart. Have you watched Sean Monahan Nail ? You can have all the personality you want, produce, drive, skate , hit, both ends of the ice. Just Sayin... Right Igor ?

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#64 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 05:23PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Seems as though someone is trying to poach may handle.Sadly they can not spell it right.

Can't fight stupid.

How can they poach your handle if they spell it wrong you half- witted retread!

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#65 DSF
October 21 2013, 05:31PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Seems as though someone is trying to poach may handle.Sadly they can not spell it right.

Can't fight stupid.

Can't fix it either.

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#66 DFS
October 21 2013, 05:36PM
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DSF wrote:

Can't fix it either.

Duh sorry spider I borrowed your handle !Duh! Duh! Duh!

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#67 DSF
October 21 2013, 05:37PM
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oilers2k10 wrote:

To be honest I never even read your article, I will but when I saw ANOTHER article/blog that has to do with Yakupov getting moved I went into instant rage mode.

I also don't get why you keep saying they can't win with the same types of players.

Hall is a speed demon, decent puck mover with a very good shot..RNH is an excellent two way forward with great offensive upside, Eberle is a dangler with great hockey IQ, and Yakupov is a pure sniper. All different types of players, but all very skilled.

Detroit has Datryuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Weiss..

Chicago has Toews, Sharp, Hossa, and Kane..all very skilled, yet different types of skilled players.

Hall is only 22, Yakupov 20..by the time these guys are at the same age that Toews and Kane are and if they're still on the same team they'll be one damn scary team to play against.

Of course Kane and Toews won the Stanley Cup when Kane was Hall's age.

That team had Hossa, Brouwer, Bfugulien, Dave Bolland and others.

The Oilers don't have equivalencies for those types of players.

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#68 Big Boy
October 21 2013, 05:39PM
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Quit whining you little babies! Grow a set! Stick to the topic- hockey! Yakupov,etc. not somebody poached my handle.... Waaaaaaahhh!!!

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#69 DFT
October 21 2013, 05:49PM
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Oil need way more size and grit! Smyth injured! Will this ever end? Are we gonna get Connor McDavid next June? Seriously, what do you guys think? Are we gonna tank another season? Please tell me no!

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#70 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 05:52PM
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Spydyr wrote:

How can they poach your handle if they spell it wrong you half- witted retread!

Hence the word "trying".

Example: You are trying to hard.

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#71 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 05:55PM
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Big Boy wrote:

Quit whining you little babies! Grow a set! Stick to the topic- hockey! Yakupov,etc. not somebody poached my handle.... Waaaaaaahhh!!!

You might not mind an intellectual half wit posing as you that's cool

I don't appreciate one posing as me.Just letting the regulars here know whats up.

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#72 Spadr
October 21 2013, 06:01PM
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DFT wrote:

Oil need way more size and grit! Smyth injured! Will this ever end? Are we gonna get Connor McDavid next June? Seriously, what do you guys think? Are we gonna tank another season? Please tell me no!

I believe Eakins and MACT will fix this! I love them. They are two hockey geniuses! In the mean time I will cheer for the Flames! Nobody screws around with these guys cause nobody wants to have to answer to McGrattan, Jackman et. al!

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#73 Reality Check to the head
October 21 2013, 06:03PM
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Risk is the part of the definition of a Bold Move.

I know everyone is looking at Yak as trade bait. His time has been less with the oilers and however fair, he is russian and their seems to be a stigma attached to it.

Anyone one of our Top forwards is a risk to trade away. I agree, I think that at some point the Oilers will have to make a move, but I wonder at what point in time? Is the move to push the oilers over the top in an attempt to make the playoffs?

Or, do we wait a little longer, fill in a few holes via free agency and development. Then try and fill a few holes with a trade a little later in an attempt to win the west and get another chance at the cup?

What will our defence look like in 2 years, Darnell Nurse, Oscar Klefbom etc getting older and NHL ready. Only time will tell.

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#74 The Real SpYDR
October 21 2013, 06:03PM
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Spydyr wrote:

You might not mind an intellectual half wit posing as you that's cool

I don't appreciate one posing as me.Just letting the regulars here know whats up.

Huh!

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#75 DonDon
October 21 2013, 06:07PM
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Injuries, injuries, injuries, when will they end?

Even though the Oilers beat the Senators in Ottawa, we witnessed what a big, tough team can inflict on the smaller Oilers. Following the game, Hall and now Smyth out with injuries.

The team hasn't faced other teams with big and tough players, e.g., San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, St. Louis, Chicago, Even Winnipeg and Calgary are bigger and tougher than the Oil. All in the Western Conference. Ouch!

When will the brass learn skill combined with size and toughness will almost always beat skill?

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#76 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 06:12PM
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DonDon wrote:

Injuries, injuries, injuries, when will they end?

Even though the Oilers beat the Senators in Ottawa, we witnessed what a big, tough team can inflict on the smaller Oilers. Following the game, Hall and now Smyth out with injuries.

The team hasn't faced other teams with big and tough players, e.g., San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, St. Louis, Chicago, Even Winnipeg and Calgary are bigger and tougher than the Oil. All in the Western Conference. Ouch!

When will the brass learn skill combined with size and toughness will almost always beat skill?

Especially now that Calgary called up 6'7 D Enforcer Chris Breen! Hartley loves toughness Oilers love midgets!u

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#77 Shredder
October 21 2013, 06:17PM
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I suggest everyone on the team is tradeable including hall. I used to be his biggest supporter but he's not learning quick enough how to orotect himself. If I were going to keep any 2 of the players it'd be nuge and eberle...they are at least smart about being of lesser size and have shown how to use their heads to win battles. Hall would be great on a team with a strict structure to teach him how to play the game properly. Yak too. Just get value in return. Better than the thornton trade but 3 for 1 sounds right.

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#78 DnDon
October 21 2013, 06:18PM
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Spadr wrote:

I believe Eakins and MACT will fix this! I love them. They are two hockey geniuses! In the mean time I will cheer for the Flames! Nobody screws around with these guys cause nobody wants to have to answer to McGrattan, Jackman et. al!

By cheering for the Flames, you must be a Flames fan.

If by "...Eakins and MACT will fix this" means the Oilers staying in the cellar, no wonder you love Eakins and MacT, who are not faring very well yet with this new version of the Oilers.

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#79 oilers2k10
October 21 2013, 06:23PM
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DSF wrote:

Of course Kane and Toews won the Stanley Cup when Kane was Hall's age.

That team had Hossa, Brouwer, Bfugulien, Dave Bolland and others.

The Oilers don't have equivalencies for those types of players.

And this is the reason why the Oilers need to start surrounding these kids with some real veterans..Hemsky doesn't do it as a vet, Boyd Gordon has been good but Oilers need more. Don't trade the skill for grinders..just get some damn quality grinders already..it's been 4 years, and all they got to show for it is Boyd Gordon and Andrew Ference..step it up Oil Management.. Trade this and next years first round picks or somethin, but don't trade away that hard earned first overall talent.

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#80 Citizen David
October 21 2013, 06:29PM
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And what would trading Yak do to our Russian pipeline?

This trade if indeed it happens needs to be years away. Still don't know what we have in those players or in our prospects like Nurse, Kharia, Klefbom, Marincin, Chase, Roy, Moroz etc.

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#81 hockeycrazed
October 21 2013, 06:45PM
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I am certain that everyone here agrees that the Oilers are not going to win a cup in the next 2 or maybe even three years, which means, we need to put the important pieces of the 'winning team' puzzle together carefully, how often do a team gets 3 first overall pick in a roll?! right?!!! They are smaller but skillful, so you put bigger team-mates on the line to compliment them, the oil do have bigger centers and wingers in the minors, and will be ready in 2 or maybe 3 years, just in time to insert them into the line-up with 2/3 of the winning formula. Defense will be solid as well by that time, only piece left to fill could be a first rated goalie, which you now acquire through free agency, no need to conduct a fire sale before your basic team structure is set!!!!

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#82 DSF
October 21 2013, 06:49PM
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pkam wrote:

And I forgot to mention that it is a salary dump for the Blues, they need the cap space to sign Oshie and Pietrangelo.

So the Blues managed to sign both Oshie and Pietrangelo, and get MPS and a 2nd rounder for Perron. Not bad at all for the Blues.

They also had to re-sign Chris Stewart.

Perron was a salary dump.

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#83 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2013, 07:12PM
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DSF wrote:

Of course Kane and Toews won the Stanley Cup when Kane was Hall's age.

That team had Hossa, Brouwer, Bfugulien, Dave Bolland and others.

The Oilers don't have equivalencies for those types of players.

The Oil don't even have cap room for players such as this. They're so mismanaged their only option is to plug in AHL'ers all over the bottom 6 roster spots. This Kevin Lowe inspired Infinibuild has started to take hold.

#keepinitreal

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#84 madjam
October 21 2013, 07:14PM
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The younger Colorado team looks like the team we were supposed to look like this year .

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#85 DSF
October 21 2013, 07:15PM
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The Oil don't even have cap room for players such as this. They're so mismanaged their only option is to plug in AHL'ers all over the bottom 6 roster spots. This Kevin Lowe inspired Infinibuild has started to take hold.

#keepinitreal

Can't disagree with a word of that.

I hear Grebeshkov is playing #2 LW tomorrow.

Jeebus.

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#86 Soccer Steve
October 21 2013, 07:17PM
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@pkam

Apologies for forgetting the second rounder. However, I wasn't arguing who won the trade but since you bring it up, MacT crushed it. Crushed. It absolutely does not matter what the Blues did with the freed up money to the Oil. That has nothing to do with the trade. The Blues would reverse this trade in an instant if they could.

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#87 DSF
October 21 2013, 07:20PM
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madjam wrote:

The younger Colorado team looks like the team we were supposed to look like this year .

Build from the back end out and up the middle and look what happens!!!

Strong goaltending √

Strength down the middle √

Defense could still use some work but adding Benoit and Sarich is working so far.

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#88 DSF
October 21 2013, 07:21PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

Apologies for forgetting the second rounder. However, I wasn't arguing who won the trade but since you bring it up, MacT crushed it. Crushed. It absolutely does not matter what the Blues did with the freed up money to the Oil. That has nothing to do with the trade. The Blues would reverse this trade in an instant if they could.

No they wouldn't.

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#89 Butters
October 21 2013, 08:06PM
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Did I miss the point? I see no compelling evidence to suggest trading a number one is a good idea. The best example was the Lindros trade and Quebec was forced to do that one.

Also, what is the template for having the right mix of players to win the cup? It seems to change every year.

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#90 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2013, 08:06PM
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DSF wrote:

Can't disagree with a word of that.

I hear Grebeshkov is playing #2 LW tomorrow.

Jeebus.

I'd consider it a another moral victory if they can keep the Habs to under a touchdown tomorrow.

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#91 DSF
October 21 2013, 08:12PM
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I'd consider it a another moral victory if they can keep the Habs to under a touchdown tomorrow.

Montreal is also missing 5 regulars from their lineup...Pacioretty, Prust, Emelin, Briere and Parros.

I wonder how the Yak/Galchenyuk head to head will go.

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#92 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2013, 08:21PM
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@DSF

Are we sure our all hat, no cattle coach is going to dress him?

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#93 DFS
October 21 2013, 08:36PM
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DSF wrote:

Montreal is also missing 5 regulars from their lineup...Pacioretty, Prust, Emelin, Briere and Parros.

I wonder how the Yak/Galchenyuk head to head will go.

Isn't Yak dating Galchenyuk's sister?

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#94 Spydyr
October 21 2013, 08:40PM
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I hear the Oilers are close to a 6 for 3 trade with Nashville- we get Weber, Rinnie and Gaustad ...just saw it on a Nasville station! Gotta go! Mom said its beddiby time!

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#95 DSF
October 21 2013, 08:47PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I hear the Oilers are close to a 6 for 3 trade with Nashville- we get Weber, Rinnie and Gaustad ...just saw it on a Nasville station! Gotta go! Mom said its beddiby time!

Me too! Gonna have some cookie with my milk, crush the toilet then nittynight for me as well! Goodnight buddy! Hope we get Webber too!

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#96 Steve
October 21 2013, 08:48PM
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I find it highly unlikely that we could acquire a true #1 defenceman even for someone like yakupov. GM's are way too smart to fall for that nowadays. If MacT came up to you and offered yakupov for subban or e Larsson or doughty or Pietrangelo or anyone else along those lines you'd probably laugh.

The Oilers can keep the big 4 (hall, RNH, Eberle, yakupov) and win a cup in the future... they just need to be patient and make it their mission to find a big 2way second line centre over they next 3 years while all their top defensive prospects develop (nurse, klefbom, marincin, gernat, etc).

Seriously, how different would the team look if we had a big 2way centre to play on the second line and one of our defensive prospects devolop into a legit top pairing guy?

If I were in charge, I would trade gagner and Perron at some point over the next 3 years before their contracts expire for above average gritty bottom six forwards... While making it my #1 priority over the next 3 years to draft quality 2way centres with some size while my defensive prospects develop.

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#97 DSF
October 21 2013, 08:51PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Are we sure our all hat, no cattle coach is going to dress him?

Don't think he has much choice with Hall, Eberle and Smyth out of the lineup.

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#98 DSF
October 21 2013, 08:53PM
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Steve wrote:

I find it highly unlikely that we could acquire a true #1 defenceman even for someone like yakupov. GM's are way too smart to fall for that nowadays. If MacT came up to you and offered yakupov for subban or e Larsson or doughty or Pietrangelo or anyone else along those lines you'd probably laugh.

The Oilers can keep the big 4 (hall, RNH, Eberle, yakupov) and win a cup in the future... they just need to be patient and make it their mission to find a big 2way second line centre over they next 3 years while all their top defensive prospects develop (nurse, klefbom, marincin, gernat, etc).

Seriously, how different would the team look if we had a big 2way centre to play on the second line and one of our defensive prospects devolop into a legit top pairing guy?

If I were in charge, I would trade gagner and Perron at some point over the next 3 years before their contracts expire for above average gritty bottom six forwards... While making it my #1 priority over the next 3 years to draft quality 2way centres with some size while my defensive prospects develop.

You mean a big 2 way centre like Galchenyuk?

Or Seguin?

Oh, the humanity!

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#99 Yabba
October 21 2013, 09:06PM
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Yes 1st overalls have been traded. But after a few seasons. Why you talking this trash a few dozen games into a career? Would you still trade Yakupov 2 years from now if he's a 60 goal scorer? Why the hurry to run a kid out of town? Is it only because he's not 6'4" and 230 lbs?

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#100 DSF
October 21 2013, 09:21PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Are we sure our all hat, no cattle coach is going to dress him?

I don't appreciate you referring to our coach as big hat, no cattle.... You Jerk!

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