Is Sam Gagner on the verge of returning to the Oilers?

Jonathan Willis
October 28 2013 06:20PM

 

The Oilers might be about to get some welcome – and oh so rare – good news on the injury front. According to TSN’s Bob McKenzie, Gagner is “getting much closer to a return” and McKenzie hints that the Oilers’ centre could be back basically any day now.

McKenzie’s tweet comes four days after the Edmonton Journal’s Joanne Ireland offered the most recent update on Gagner’s health.

A Brief History of an Injury

Zack Kassian’s reckless use of his stick ended up breaking Gagner’s jaw and leaving his face a bit of a mess:

The injury came on September 21; at the time the expectation was that Gagner would miss six-to-eight weeks, putting his estimated time of return sometime around the first half of November. Roughly a week later, at the start of October, Gagner told the Journal’s Jim Matheson that he wanted that timeline down to four or five weeks; tomorrow will mark the fourth week since Gagner made that comment to Matheson.

Gagner has been practicing with the team for 10 days, now it’s just a matter of him being cleared to play.

The Lineup

How do the Oilers adjust their lines if Gagner is ready, for instance, to play against the Maple Leafs on Tuesday? Dallas Eakins could choose to stick him in the top-six immediately, displacing one of Mark Arcobello, Ales Hemsky or Nail Yakupov, or he could ease him in as a second centre on Boyd Gordon’s line.

After watching Mark Arcobello’s line struggle against the Kings’ Anze Kopitar (and in fairness, the whole team was struggling), I personally like the idea of bumping Gagner into the top-six and sticking Arcobello on Boyd Gordon’s line, like so:

  • 1. Nail Yakupov – Ryan Nugent-Hopkins – Jordan Eberle
  • 2. David Perron – Sam Gagner – Ales Hemsky
  • 3. Ryan Jones – Boyd Gordon – Mark Arcobello
  • 4. Luke Gazdic/Anton Lander – Will Acton – Ben Eager

Gagner gives the Oilers options, though the similarity of a bunch of these forwards makes constructing balanced lines difficult. The team is still better with him than without him.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 madjam
October 28 2013, 09:19PM
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Oilers are proof you don't need size , grit or toughness to win in NHL on a consistent basis (tongue in cheek) . If your making big bucks are you going to try bashing around with the big players and defences and risk destroying your career prematurely during regular season especially ? I doubt it , and who could blame them . When big men hit you , more often then not it's in your head area because they are that much taller . Can't expect those players to curl up small to hit the smaller players now can we . If you got size but no grit or toughness then that's a different story . You people wonder why we have so many injuries each year , I think it pretty obvious . We instill in our smaller players to play bigger than what they are capable of or even good at . To many of our skilled players are lightweights on our club that needs weeding out . Till we do our results will be minimal, unless they devise a system that can neutralize the new NHL size issue .

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#52 Harry
October 28 2013, 10:43PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I will presume that weber has a NTC and therefore there is no chance he moves from beautiful Nashville to this joke of an organization.

He doesnt have a NTC

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#53 Larry
October 28 2013, 10:59PM
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blindref wrote:

With Arcobello's numbers in the faceoff circle and Gagne's history of failures at the same stat, would it not be better to put Gags on the wing and let Arcobello keep going as long as he keep contributing?

It doesn't matter if they win the faceoff. They give the puck up right away anyway...

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#54 DonDon
October 28 2013, 11:38PM
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David S wrote:

As has been painfully obvious so far, Gagner being out IS one of the gaping holes in the lineup.

So you're down with creating a hole in the lineup to fill a hole in the lineup?

~Seems legit.~

Contrary to Willis' fawning that Gagner's early return is some welcome and so rare good news, not all share this thought.

Better to give Gagner more time to heal from a terrible injury. Besides, under the present circumstances the centre position is in reasonably good hands and it's painfully obvious Gagner is't that great a centre (see MacT's comments at the beginning of the year, where he mused that Gagner should play on the wing).

In fact, Gagner may not fit on a wing either due to lack of size, lack of physicality and turnovers. Better to get him fully recovered and make a trade before he qualifies for NT/NM.

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#55 Serious Gord
October 28 2013, 11:57PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Well said sir.

What 2 players would be on your shopping list? Couturier?

I don't often cite who the oil should try and pick up - there are so many players/options - too many to know from a laypersons perspective. Usually I refrain from expressing an opinion unless it is a unique occurrence.

The last time I recall doing that publically was when Niemi was let go by Chicago and the oil could have got him for 2.1 million. However oilers management thought we were well-stocked with goalies - khabi, dubnyk and some other guy.

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#56 Wonger
October 29 2013, 09:29AM
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Harry wrote:

Ive got to get this conversation going. Ill set the over/under for Weber.

Yakupov Hemsky Marincin 2014 1st rounder

For

Weber + 3/4th line salary cap plug

So, over/under......THOUGHTS??

Done deal - Gaustad is the plug and then we pick up Tootoo and Engellend for next to nothing, and all of a suden this team has some serious bite and toughness.....throw Mac in from time to time... WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

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#57 2004Z06
October 29 2013, 10:28AM
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The reason Gagner is so eager to get back in the lineup is clear. He see's Arcobello eating his lunch at 1/5th his salary.

Trash away!

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#58 westcoastoil
October 28 2013, 07:03PM
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Spoils wrote:

after 4 effortless Omark goals, Yak's icebreaker, and Arcobello's 10 apples, I like this full health setup:

Hall - RNH - Eberle

Perron - Gagner - Hemsky

Omark - Arcobello - Yak

Joensuu - Gordon - Jones

(Gazdic)

Omark - Arco and Yak would get eaten alive.

Perron - RNH - Eberle, Hall - Arco - Gagner (or flip Arco and Gags if you like,) Yak - Gordon - Hemsky, Joensuu - Acton - Gazdic/Smyth/Eager

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#59 Zarny
October 28 2013, 08:00PM
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Rheal1 wrote:

"Unfortunately the team does not need another small,skilled ,soft player.They have too many of them already."

?????

Reallly???

May I suggest Penner? Yes? Might as well go back to those days. Nothing wrong with small players: Brendan Gallagher rings a bell? Want tough & small? Patrice Bergeron in the playoffs; fractured ribs. I'll keep this 2013-14 Edmonton roster thank you very much. Can't wait to see you back here in March as a super Gagner groupie...

Let's not bring flapjacks into this.

You know who Patrice Bergeron played with in the playoffs?

Milan Lucic 6'4" 220lb and Nathan Horton 6'2" 229 lbs.

That's what Edm is missing.

Right skill level with Hall, Eberle, Yak and Perron. They just need 2 of them to be 6'2" 220 lbs.

Or for 1 of Gagner or Nuge to be built like a Staal brother.

Aside from the shutdown D and G thingy.

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#60 Hair bag
October 28 2013, 08:16PM
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** wrote:

Arcobello and Hemsky together are a massive defensive liability. Better to slot Hemsky on the third line and put Arcobello on Gagner's right.

Arco has been one of the better Oilers positionally. He doesn't crush guys but he always finishes his checks and most importantly gets body position between the opposition and his goal, he is also good with his stick....

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#61 Spydyr
October 28 2013, 08:24PM
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Rheal1 wrote:

"If you don't see that you don't understand NHL hockey.Especially playoff hockey."

Hmmm... We all know that the way things are going this garage league (NHL) will implode within 5 years. Have fun with your playoffs...

Go to bed you are drunk.

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#62 Rod from Viking
October 28 2013, 10:43PM
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@Serious Gord

Weber does not have a no-trade clause.

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#63 Serious Gord
October 28 2013, 11:51PM
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David S wrote:

As has been painfully obvious so far, Gagner being out IS one of the gaping holes in the lineup.

So you're down with creating a hole in the lineup to fill a hole in the lineup?

~Seems legit.~

As this thread proves, there are similar players of gagner's type already on the team. And thus, while a decent player he can be moved for another decent player with a skillset that addresses one or more of this teams obvious shortcomings.

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#64 David S
October 29 2013, 01:10AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

As this thread proves, there are similar players of gagner's type already on the team. And thus, while a decent player he can be moved for another decent player with a skillset that addresses one or more of this teams obvious shortcomings.

Arcobello being anywhere near Gagner is a phantom. Yeah he's piling up the assists and is decent on the dot, but how much better than Gagner?

Gagner is great on the PP and one of our best PK'ers, both of which seem to be sucking at the present moment. He's also pretty damn decent in shootouts if I remember correctly. Not to mention he can put up goals. How does Arcobello compare? Riiight.

You may not like the cut of his jib but he scores, PK's, and PP's like a madman. And he goes all-in every game. Like I said, when was the last time we had a 60-70 point 2LC?

What do you hope to gain by trading him?

Hint: The guy you bring in has to be at least as good. And you'll end up paying him as least as much.

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#65 Spydyr
October 29 2013, 05:29AM
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Rheal1 wrote:

I am a bit perplexed by your reply to me. Borderline childish: " Go to bed you are drunk". No. wasn't drunk. As a bonus I am also not blind. Why do you think there is a cap? Why are there more concussions since the league make attempts to prevent them? Why cant average paid worker afford tickets? Why is officiating routinely borderline incompetent? Why is the commissioner an idiot? Why wont expansion come to Canada when its a ripe market? There are some serious issues in this league. Ridiculous contracts. Injuries. Exorbitant operating costs. Minor league talented players abound in the NHL, clutching, grabbing and cheap shotting NHL talent level players. I'll let you be the judge... Two of the NHL best ever players referred to the NHL as a garage league: Brett Hull & Mario Lemieux. I rest my case.

Mario Lemieux.Thought it was such "a garage league" he became an owner.

The NHL is the best hockey in the world.Full stop.

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#66 westcoastoil
October 28 2013, 08:07PM
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@Zarny

on a more serious note though, how hot is Megan Fox

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#67 Rod from Viking
October 28 2013, 08:30PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Arco has been one of the better Oilers positionally. He doesn't crush guys but he always finishes his checks and most importantly gets body position between the opposition and his goal, he is also good with his stick....

I don't know why a lot of people don't think Arco can play further down in the line up, he might score some goals playing with someone who can knock the other teams player off the puck and is sound defensively.

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#68 Zarny
October 28 2013, 08:33PM
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westcoastoil wrote:

on a more serious note though, how hot is Megan Fox

YEAH BABY!!!

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#69 Hairbag
October 28 2013, 08:38PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Exactly 100% accurate

Actually Krejci centred Lucic and Horton but your point is the same that Boston had 3 guys (Jagr as well) that were 6'2"+ and 220lb+ in their top six....

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#70 Spydyr
October 29 2013, 05:19AM
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Harry wrote:

Ive got to get this conversation going. Ill set the over/under for Weber.

Yakupov Hemsky Marincin 2014 1st rounder

For

Weber + 3/4th line salary cap plug

So, over/under......THOUGHTS??

I'm over.Over any talk about trading for Weber.It is s pipe dream.Just wish people would put down the pipe.

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#71 The Beaker
October 29 2013, 06:50AM
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dregger just said he (gags) was playing tonight.

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#72 MessyEH!
October 29 2013, 07:01AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mario Lemieux.Thought it was such "a garage league" he became an owner.

The NHL is the best hockey in the world.Full stop.

Lemieux is and has always been a reluctant owner. He took ownership of the team to protect his own interests. Almost 100million in defered payments. If you recall he was going to sell the team to Jim "Ballsilly" to move the team to Hamilton. League stopped the sale. Not Mario.

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#73 BingBong
October 29 2013, 07:02AM
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I'd like to see Gagner on the wing, at least for a few weeks, to see what he can do there. Arcabello has filled in nicely and can handle the defensive side of the game better than Gags. Gagner is more dynamic offensively for sure, but hopefully he can find that part of his game playing the wing.

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#74 Loweblows
October 29 2013, 07:50AM
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westcoastoil wrote:

on a more serious note though, how hot is Megan Fox

Not as hot as Scarlet Johannson

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#75 2004Z06
October 29 2013, 10:21AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

the only thing arco does better is face offs. Arco is smaller, has no hands and cant score. I like him but he is no going to continue at this pace and is no where near as gagner.

And despite his plus minus he is not that good defensively. Gagner was oilers top pp guy and on of the top three pk guy last year. Yet people are wondering why the oilers special team suck.

FO may be better, but the team is softer, less talented, and worse special teams with Nuge-Arco as your top two centers than they are with Nuge-Gagner.

The people saying replace Gagner with Arco are the same guys who didnt recognize Gagners hot start last year and are now giving a smaller less skilled player more credit for a good start (not as good as sams) just so they can keep hating.

Could not disagree more. Arcobello is harder on the forecheck, hits, and contributes defensively. His face-off percentage is miles ahead of Gagner's and I suspect that once that first goal goes in for him he will be just fine in the point production area.

I like Gagner as well, but I have always felt he would be better on the wing.

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#76 Hair bag
October 28 2013, 08:16PM
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** wrote:

Arcobello and Hemsky together are a massive defensive liability. Better to slot Hemsky on the third line and put Arcobello on Gagner's right.

Arco has been one of the better Oilers positionally. He doesn't crush guys but he always finishes his checks and most importantly gets body position between the opposition and his goal, he is also good with his stick....

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#77 Smokey
October 28 2013, 08:18PM
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Hayek wrote:

I'd argue the exact opposite. Facing soft opposition, this is a 3rd line that would absolutely crush the opposition, and have an amazing corsi.

I'd like to have what your having.

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#78 Rod from Viking
October 28 2013, 08:25PM
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Zarny wrote:

Let's not bring flapjacks into this.

You know who Patrice Bergeron played with in the playoffs?

Milan Lucic 6'4" 220lb and Nathan Horton 6'2" 229 lbs.

That's what Edm is missing.

Right skill level with Hall, Eberle, Yak and Perron. They just need 2 of them to be 6'2" 220 lbs.

Or for 1 of Gagner or Nuge to be built like a Staal brother.

Aside from the shutdown D and G thingy.

Exactly 100% accurate

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#79 Hair bag
October 28 2013, 08:44PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I don't know why a lot of people don't think Arco can play further down in the line up, he might score some goals playing with someone who can knock the other teams player off the puck and is sound defensively.

I think he deserves a shot, he plays a lot more intelligent game than most of the guys on the team and who knows maybe he adds something to the third line - nobody really expected him to do what he's done so far, lets see what else he can do....

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#80 Taylor Gang
October 28 2013, 10:03PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I should have mentioned it in the piece, but Bob Stauffer suggested in an Oilers.com piece that both Hall and Gagner could be back in the lineup in between 2-4 games.

If I'm not mistaken, Hall isn't even wearing a brace on his knee right now.

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#81 Geoff
October 28 2013, 10:16PM
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@bulldog12

If the Oilers traded yak for a number 1 Dman I wouldn't be shocked. But holy you know what when he touches the puck and starts dangling it just gives me the feeling when he gets it all together he is gonna be DYNAMITE.

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#82 Wax Man Riley
October 28 2013, 10:19PM
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Hayek wrote:

I'd argue the exact opposite. Facing soft opposition, this is a 3rd line that would absolutely crush the opposition, and have an amazing corsi.

You have to be joking Ms Salma Hayek.

As beautiful as you are, I don't think you realize we are talking about 3 small, defensively inept (actually, Arco has been decent) fringe NHL players that have a combined 138 games.

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Gagner will help this team when he comes back. That's not a question mark at all.

The real question is; who are the five idiots who propped the comment made by a person who chose Osama bin Laden as his/her name?

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#84 Panda
October 28 2013, 10:23PM
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Awesome!! Welcome back Gags, do you play goal or defense too? we can definitely use some help there

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#85 Benhur
October 29 2013, 09:07AM
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I would leave Arco on the second line and start Gags on the 3rd line winger spot. Reasons - Arco has developed some chemistry with Hemmsky and Perron as well as Ebs on the first line. He is good defensively and leads all forwards with hits (or so I hear. His FO % is above 50% and you know how poor Gags is on the dot. Arco has what 8 points in 10 games...excellen t! Gags is poor on faceoffs and will definitley be rusty..leave him with Gordon on the wing and he can (hopefully) pick up a few tips and get his timing back with fewer minutes initially anyways. Gags would do well in a checking role as he was a good PK player last year. Long term when Jonesuu, Smyth and Hall get back Arco may have to be shipped down or their MAY be an trade opportunity.

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#86 pkam
October 29 2013, 09:15AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The oil has an abundance of talented, small fwds. Gagner is surplus that can be traded to fill other roles.

Not "just as good" but also different.

There are other teams with far less top End scoring talent than EDM that are doing much better - CGY being one. Among other things those teams are far better balanced.

Since you bring up Calgary Flames, are they doing better than Colorado Avs?

I don't get why Oilers fans keep saying Gagner is small. He is not 170 lbs anymore like when he was 17 years old 6 years ago. He is listed as 5'11 and 202 lbs. Now tell me how many forwards in the Colorado top 9 are bigger than Gagner?

FYI, from nhl.com Matt Duchene 5'11 200 lbs PA Parenteau 6'0 193 lbs Steve Downie 5'11 191 lbs Paul Stastny 6'0 205 lbs Nathan MacKinnon 6'0 182 lbs Alex Tanguay 6'1 194 lbs Ryan O'Reilly 6'0 200 lbs Gabriel Landeskog 6'1 204 lbs Jamie McGinn 6'1 210 lbs

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#87 TigerUnderGlass
October 29 2013, 09:27AM
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bulldog12 wrote:

Not sure why the debate is over Arco and Gagner Does anyone know where Hemsky is and what he's doing Arco 10 pts +3 Hemsky 6 pts -9 Typical Hemsky when you need a veteran to step up and score a goal do something anything to help this team he disappears He should go straight to the press box and that won't hurt his trade value because he has none

Stupid typical Hemsky, always disappearing like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYZLanjr-w

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#88 Zarny
October 29 2013, 09:30AM
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You completely miss the point.

It's not about an extra inch or an extra 10-20 lbs although that does amount to a full weight-class bigger.

It's about a style of play. It's about scoring goals a different way mostly in the playoffs.

Toews is strong enough to go into the corner and physically battle Chara. He's listed at 209 lbs but looks more like 220 lbs. Gagner looks like a hobbit next to him.

No one on the Oilers top 6 F except maybe Hall could go into a corner with Chara and come out alive right now.

Hossa is considerably stronger on his skates that any Oiler top 6 F. Compared to Hossa every Oiler top 6 F is easy to knock off the puck.

And you forgot to look at who else made contributions for Chi last year.

Brian Bickell 6'4" 233 lbs. 17 pts in 23 playoffs games. They also had C Michael Handzus 6'5" 215 lbs.

Why stop at Chi and Bos? Look at LA...Jeff Carter 6'4" 220 lbs, Dustin Brown 6' 212 lbs, Anze Kopitar 6'3" 225 lbs, Kyle Clifford 6'2" 209 lbs.

You're right once Hall fills out he'll probably be 210-215 lbs. That gives the Oilers 1 top 6 F that can play heavy on the puck.

Perron, Eberle, Yakupov, Nuge and Gagner will never be heavy on the puck. Sure they might fill out a bit more but they are perimeter players.

They will never score the type of goals you get from Hossa, Lucic, Brown, Perry, Horton, Carter, Bickell or any of the bigger power F in the playoffs. Never.

And if you actually want to win the Stanley Cup that is what the Oilers will need. You are not going to get the required physical play from a group who averages 6' 191 lbs.

FYI...the average NHL forward is 6'1" 205 lbs. That's the average.

Every single Oiler top 6 F is smaller than the NHL average. Nuff said.

And yes, the Oilers need a couple of legit shutdown D like Keith & Seabrook to win the cup too.

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#89 oilerjed
October 29 2013, 09:37AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Good news on Gagner's recovery that was an awful injury.

Unfortunately the team does not need another small,skilled ,soft player.They have too many of them already.

What the teams needs is a big, skilled, gritty player.

It is well past time the "braintrust" address that need.Last I checked if you have the balls you can make a trade using what you have too much of, for something that you need.

I'm not holding my breath.

I thought they had one of these in Jonesu? What does the line up look like with him back in the line up? By the way, Does anyone know what is the time line on Jonesu

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#90 TigerUnderGlass
October 29 2013, 09:38AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Then he is an idiot. His only other roadblock then is our lack of cap room.

Whelp....Serious Gord's lack of awareness regarding one of the biggest hockey stories of the last couple years has pretty much blown his credibility in the "I know more than you category".

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#91 TigerUnderGlass
October 29 2013, 09:42AM
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@Zarny

Perron, Eberle, Yakupov, Nuge and Gagner will never be heavy on the puck. Sure they might fill out a bit more but they are perimeter players. They will never score the type of goals you get from Hossa, Lucic, Brown, Perry, Horton, Carter, Bickell or any of the bigger power F in the playoffs. Never.

This is a great point, and an important one, but the problem is that everyone who argues this point completely fails to mention the fact that none of these guys can score the type of goals that the Oilers you mentioned can score.

You may or may not be right, but to make a fair argument you have to look at the whole picture.

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#92 Lochenzo
October 29 2013, 09:50AM
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Gagner was a big time contributor to the Oilers potting some wins last season. Both he and Hall were probably the two best forwards and having one or both of them out over the first 13 games has really hurt this club. I'd like to see what this team can do with both of them back.

I really like Arcobello. but with Gagner coming back, he gets bumped down. I think he is much better playing with skilled wingers than playing on a grinding line. Maybe he'll prove me wrong again. I guess we'll see.

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#93 Rama Lama
October 29 2013, 10:38AM
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For those who think having Gagner back will change our fortunes, I would contend he will need at least 5 games to re-adjust.

Over the last five games it's clear our shot differential has gone south and somehow I don't see Gagner changing that. It's funny how the professional writers have all mentioned that the Oilers defensively are lacking but not a one of them hold Dallas Eakins accountable for his lack of NHL systems as the problem.

They can continue to state the obvious but at some time they have to assess responsibility where it belongs.......coaching!

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#94 Jon
October 29 2013, 10:40AM
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So in other words, Kevin Lowe should be fired.

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#95 Zarny
October 29 2013, 10:52AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Perron, Eberle, Yakupov, Nuge and Gagner will never be heavy on the puck. Sure they might fill out a bit more but they are perimeter players. They will never score the type of goals you get from Hossa, Lucic, Brown, Perry, Horton, Carter, Bickell or any of the bigger power F in the playoffs. Never.

This is a great point, and an important one, but the problem is that everyone who argues this point completely fails to mention the fact that none of these guys can score the type of goals that the Oilers you mentioned can score.

You may or may not be right, but to make a fair argument you have to look at the whole picture.

No one fails to mention to anything. No one said every small F needs to be upsized. 6 Milan Lucic's doesn't win the Cup either.

Winning has always been about the right mix of players.

The 80's Oilers had Gretz, Kuri and Anderson but they also had Mark Messier who beat the crap out of opponents. Mess could lean on any D in the league and drive the net.

Chi, Bos and LA also have guys like Kane, Krejci, Bergeron and Kopitar. They create offense one way and guys like Hossa, Lucic and Brown get it done another way.

The result is those teams can win different kinds of games. And that is the only way you win 16 playoff games.

The Oilers have the skill they need in spades. They just need more than 59-180 games of NHL experience.

But they have nothing else. That might get you into the playoffs but it won't win you the Cup.

Pit has 2 of 3 best players on the planet and more skill than Edm. They got halfway to winning the Cup last year and then got pasted by the Bruins.

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#96 pkam
October 29 2013, 12:05PM
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@Zarny

So Pits only got halfway to winning the cup because they don't have the right mix of players (only skilled players but no power forwards and two way players)?

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#97 ed in edmonton
October 29 2013, 12:44PM
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Re-uniting Gags and Hemsky should be interesting tonight. The buds are almost as bad as the Oil defensively, so it could be a show. Last year when playing together gags and Hemsky were consistent point producers, but were also minus players. Dangerous at both ends of the ice.

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#98 TM8Trent
October 29 2013, 01:49PM
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No I didn't miss the point, I quite get your point. You're now bringing up others who make contributions, but from the bottom 6 when you speak of Bickell and Handzus. Yes, the Oilers dearly need these types of guys, who absolutely could move up the line-up into the top 6 they're facing heavier teams. Move Perron to the third line and insert Bickell onto the second line? I'd love that. But I don't want to see Perron traded for a coke machine who can't play either.

Don't get me wrong, the Oil absolutely need guys like Bicks & Handzus to win a cup. Can Joensuu be one of those guys? I have my doubts but that's what MacT is trying to do is to bring in some meat that can play. That's why he offered Clarkson what he did, because he sees this as a need. Doesn't mean you trade Yakupov at this point to acquire a 15 goal scorer because he's 15 lbs heavier and 3 inches taller.

I think you missed one of my points as well. They're not going to stay 191 lbs as a group. They'll be closer to the 205 lb average you mentioned than 191 in 3 years.

Would it be nice to have Lucic? Obviously. Anyone who says no would need their head checked.

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#99 David S
October 29 2013, 05:10PM
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Wonger wrote:

Done deal - Gaustad is the plug and then we pick up Tootoo and Engellend for next to nothing, and all of a suden this team has some serious bite and toughness.....throw Mac in from time to time... WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Can't score or make plays worth sh!t (the two components crucial to having more goals at the end of the game than the other guys), but we'll be tough as hell EVERY GLORIOUS LOSS!

Awesome.

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#100 Coal miner
October 30 2013, 10:55AM
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Katz reminds me of Howard Hughes. When Hughes. was losing his empire, and marbles, he surrounded himself by Mormon aides, who he obviously felt were the most reliable people he could think of. Katz unfortunately surrounds himself with larry, curly, and mo, aka Lowe howson and Mac, plus the assistants Bucky and boso. I'm not sure why this fatal attraction continues, but one would think that after Katz bulldozed his way to getting a new arena, he may consider the fact that all the fans may have disappeared. If you ran rexall like you operate the oilers you'be selling reading glasses at the farmers market. Am I outta booze already! The coal miner

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