TUESDAY TIDBITS...

Jason Gregor
October 29 2013 07:55AM

This past week Jaromir Jagr continued to climb the rankings amongst the all-time great players and point-producers in the history of the NHL.

Jagr is off to a solid start in New Jersey with 2-7-9 in 11 games, and last Tuesday night he became the 32nd player in NHL history to play 1,400 games.

Jagr is on the verge of being in the top-ten all-time in goals, assists and points.

He is currently 10th in goals with 683, and if he stays healthy he will pass Mario Lemieux (690), Steve Yzerman (692) and Mark Messier (694) before the end of the season. He needs 25 goals to tie Mike Gartner (708) for 6th.

He sits 12th in assists with 1,014. He will likely pass Joe Sakic (1,016) and Mario Lemieux (1,033) before the end of the season and move into 10th place. He has a chance to finish as high as 8th if he can pick up 36 more assists this season and surpass Marcel Dionne (1,040) and Gordie Howe (1,049).

He is 8th all-time in points with 1,697, and with 26 more points he will pass Mario Lemieux (1,723) before April.

Of the 32 players to have played 1,400 games, Jagr has the 2nd highest points-per-game ratio. Only Wayne Gretzky his higher with a ridiculous 1.92 PPG, while Jagr has a 1.21. Jagr has been able to play a long time, but he's also managed to produce at a high level for his entire career.

The Oilers play the Devils on February 7th, and with Jagr already hinting this will be his final season, I suggest you try to watch one of the game's best players one final time. Jagr could get moved at the deadline, if the Devils aren't in the playoff hunt, so you might get to see him play one final time in Edmonton. Either way you should sit down with your kids and let them watch one of the most prolific scorers the NHL has ever seen.

RANDOM THOUGHTS...

  • Teemu Selanne will become the 33rd player to play 1,400 games this Saturday in Buffalo. Selanne is also ranked high amongst the all-time greats in goals (11th with 678), assists (40th with 759) and points (15th with 1,437).

    Unless Selanne plays another season the only player he can catch in points is Stan Mikita (1,467), while he is chasing the same guys as Jagr in goals. If he picks up another 26 assists this season he will pass Bernie Federko (761), Chris Chelios (763), Vincent Damphousse (773), Jean Ratelle (776), Brian Leetch (781) and Mats Sundin (784).

    Selanne is another player you'd like your kids to watch one final time. The Oilers play the Ducks four times this year. December 15th and January 3rd in Anaheim and March 28th and April 6th in Edmonton.
     
  • There has been a lot of talk, deservedly so, about Alex Ovechkin's hot start to the season. He has 10 goals in 12 games and has 32 goals in his last 33 games, but St.Louis Blues forward Alex Steen has been the hottest goal scorer this year.
     
  • Steen has 10 goals in 9 games. The Blues have played the fewest games in the NHL, but when they've played Steen has been incredible. He will either need to start shooting more, or it is impossible he will continue to score like he has. Steen has 10 goals on 26 shots, 38.5 SH%, while Ovechkin has 10 goals on 75 shots for a 13.3 SH%.
     
  • Steen has 15 points in 9 games and he's tied with Sidney Crosby at 1.67 points-per-game. Steen has had a fantastic start, and while I don't expect him to maintain this level of production, I think he can be close to a 75-point player this season.
     
  • Ryan Kesler looks healthy again. He has 8 goals in 11 games with 7 of them coming at ES. If he stays healthy, the Canucks will once again be a top contender in the west.
     
  • The Oilers are 3-5-1 vs. the Eastern conference, while the rest of the west is 49-14-7.
     
  • The Oilers are 1-4 vs. the Metropolitan division, while the other 13 teams in the west are 26-3-3.
     
  • The Oilers next five games are against Toronto, Detroit, Florida, Tampa Bay and Philadelphia. They need to find a way to beat teams in the east.
     
  • Josh Harding is having incredible start to the season. After being diagnosed with MS in October of 2012, many wondered if the Wild goalie could compete in the NHL. He recorded a shutout in his first start last season, but he only started two games all season. An injury to Niklas Backstrom forced him into action in the playoffs and he played well despite losing the series to the Blackhawks.

    This year, Harding has started seven games and has a sparkling 1.00 GAA and a .953 SV%. Having worked closely with the MS Society the past few years, I've seen how difficult it is to live with MS. I'm cheering hard for Harding, because his health could change quickly.
     
  • Oiler draft pick Greg Chase is 4th in the WHL in goals with 13 in 17 games and he's 8th in points with 22. 2011 draft pick Mitch Moroz is 5th in the league with 12 goals and 21st in points with 16.
     
  • The Oilers have improved their 5-on-5 scoring with 25 goals; however, they've given up 31 goals at ES and sit at -6. Here is a list of all 30 teams with their GF-GA ratio at 5-on-5. The teams in bold are currently in a playoff spot.


SAN JOSE 16
ANAHEIM 13
BOSTON 12
COLORADO 10
ST LOUIS 9
CHICAGO 6
MINNESOTA 6
MONTREAL 6
PITTSBURGH 6
VANCOUVER 3
OTTAWA 2
TORONTO 2
PHOENIX 1
DALLAS 0
COLUMBUS -1
TAMPA BAY -1
CALGARY -2
WINNIPEG -2
DETROIT -3
LOS ANGELES -3
CAROLINA -4
NY ISLANDERS -4
PHILADELPHIA -5
EDMONTON -6
FLORIDA -8
NASHVILLE -8
WASHINGTON -8
NEW JERSEY -10
BUFFALO -12
NY RANGERS -15

  • St. Louis has only played nine games, otherwise they would be in the playoffs. Ottawa is one point behind Carolina and the Islanders, but they have games in hand. Based on winning %, not points, they would be in the playoffs and the top-13 teams in GF-GA ratio would all be in the playoffs. 
     
  • Last season the worst 11 teams in GF-GA at 5-on-5 all missed the playoffs. The Islanders had the worst rating of all the playoff teams at -2. Until the Oilers can start to outscore the opposition at ES, it is going to be very difficult to win games, especially when their special teams are 24th (PP) and 29th (PK).
     
  • The San Jose Sharks are dominating teams thus far. They are 10-1-1, and their only loss was 2-1 against the Bruins despite outshooting Boston 39-17. The Sharks have outscored their opponents 48-20 and they've averaged 13.3 shots more per game. 
     
  • Now that Nail Yakupov scored a goal, here is a list of the forwards who've played at least ten games, that you wouldn't expect to have zero goals: Claude Giroux, Ray Whitney, Sean Couturier, Martin Erat, Marcus Johansson, Jarret Stoll, Chris Stewart and Valeri Nichuskin. Marc Arcobello is tied with Johansson for the most points, 10, without a goal. Out of those nine skaters, who do you think scores a goal last?

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#1 D
October 29 2013, 08:02AM
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When Jagr and Selanne are gone, they will both be missed.

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#2 Soccer Steve
October 29 2013, 08:14AM
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Saw Jagr score on us at Rexall earlier this year.

There was also a dozen or so guys a few rows in front of us who each wore a black mullet wig and had on a different Jagr jersey. They showed up late and missed his goal and left early and missed the come-back/shoot out. Strange bunch of groupies they were.

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#3 Oiler Al
October 29 2013, 08:27AM
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Amazing numbers by some of these Oldies, but Goodies... But that all happened before "traps", and "swarms" in the days when the forwards scored most of the goals the defense played defense.Also the goal tenders didn't wear Michilen Man, suits. The good old days.

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#4 Racki
October 29 2013, 08:33AM
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It's amazing to watch jagr. He had slowed for sure, but every time the puck is on his stick in the slot area, he is a lethal as the best of them. Whenever he'd be in the ice vs Oilers in recent games I just had a feeling a goal was coming.

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#5 Bloodsweatandoil
October 29 2013, 08:38AM
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It is still bloody cool to see the likes of Jagr, Selanne and Brodeur playing in this day and age. Those boys have played with and against the NHL's best! These guys were drafted and playing when I was in high school! Yes I just aged myself.........

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#6 DrDave
October 29 2013, 08:40AM
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Too bad K-Lowe didn't want to offer Jagr the 2 year deal he wanted to play here. He's only been productive on 3 or 4 other teams since then... He would've instantly been a fan favourite and who knows the player Hemsky could've been learning from JJ.

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#7 MathWiz
October 29 2013, 08:41AM
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Hey Jason - just a quick correction: GF-GA is not a ratio; it's a difference. Thanks for the tidbits!

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#8 Ed
October 29 2013, 08:52AM
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Does anyone know when Steve MacIntyre is expected to return to the line-up? The Oilers could sure use him tonight to counter Orr, McLaren and Clarkson.

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#9 Benny Botts
October 29 2013, 08:54AM
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@Gregor

Jason would you stick gagner right back into the 2nd line centre position or would you leave Arcobello there and put Sam on the wing either on the 2nd or 3rd line. Also have you heard how far away Hall is from returning? I heard there was a slight chance he could be back within 2-4 games.

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#10 Larry
October 29 2013, 08:55AM
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Ed wrote:

Does anyone know when Steve MacIntyre is expected to return to the line-up? The Oilers could sure use him tonight to counter Orr, McLaren and Clarkson.

you think Mac is gonna make a difference? Are the rumors that samwise is returning tonight true?

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#11 Jpinto99
October 29 2013, 08:57AM
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MathWiz wrote:

Hey Jason - just a quick correction: GF-GA is not a ratio; it's a difference. Thanks for the tidbits!

Hey MathWiz

No one cares!!! Thanks for your tidbit.

Now BEAT IT!!!!!

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#12 Retsinnab5
October 29 2013, 08:58AM
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Is Bachman going to start Bach to Bach games? Or will he be the Bachup? Or will he get sent Bach down to OKC?

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#13 Serious Gord
October 29 2013, 08:58AM
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If the oil has a crap losing record against eastern teams, how terrible are they going to be against the west?

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#14 book¡e
October 29 2013, 08:58AM
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Gretzky averaged nearly 2 points per game over his career. Even factoring in higher scoring in the 80s, that's amazing!

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#15 Benny Botts
October 29 2013, 08:58AM
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@Retsinnab5

Thanks Gene!

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#16 MathWiz
October 29 2013, 09:03AM
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Jpinto99 wrote:

Hey MathWiz

No one cares!!! Thanks for your tidbit.

Now BEAT IT!!!!!

Is it fun being blissfully ignorant? Carry on!

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#17 Hello McFly
October 29 2013, 09:06AM
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MathWiz wrote:

Is it fun being blissfully ignorant? Carry on!

Was it fun getting swirly's in high school?

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#18 Ed
October 29 2013, 09:07AM
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Larry wrote:

you think Mac is gonna make a difference? Are the rumors that samwise is returning tonight true?

Yeah Perfect! Just what the Oilers need - another midget. When I want to watch midgets I watch midget wrestling - when I want to watch NHL hockey I watch Ottawa, LA, San Jose Toronto, etc. teams with size, skill and toughness!

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#19 Rob...
October 29 2013, 09:11AM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

Is Bachman going to start Bach to Bach games? Or will he be the Bachup? Or will he get sent Bach down to OKC?

What I want to know is if a Leaf's forward coughs up the puck in front of the Oiler net and Bachman bats it to Yakupov who heads to the other end for a good scoring chance, would that be considered a Bachman turnover drive?

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#20 Larry
October 29 2013, 09:11AM
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Ed wrote:

Yeah Perfect! Just what the Oilers need - another midget. When I want to watch midgets I watch midget wrestling - when I want to watch NHL hockey I watch Ottawa, LA, San Jose Toronto, etc. teams with size, skill and toughness!

I agree with you but I don't know how you can make a difference playing 6 min per night. I'm not a stats guy but I think Sam might have a few more points then Mac...

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#21 MathWiz
October 29 2013, 09:19AM
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Hello McFly wrote:

Was it fun getting swirly's in high school?

Well, there can be a price for not being a flunky. How's that working out for you, btw?

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#22 Ed
October 29 2013, 09:23AM
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I also like watching midget porn...

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#23 Ed
October 29 2013, 09:42AM
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Ed wrote:

I also like watching midget porn...

Buzz off spydyr, dsf,mac1969 or whichever loser poached my name and posted this stupidiy!

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#24 vetinari
October 29 2013, 09:44AM
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Copper 'n Blue, citing Bob McKenzie at tsn say that Gagner has been medically cleared to play and will likely be in the lineup tonight. Go Gags!

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October 29 2013, 10:03AM
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Hey Jason are you going as a straight guy for halloween this year?

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#26 OilDieHard
October 29 2013, 10:07AM
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tell you what, i am hoping like hell that Khaira, Moroz and Chase can ALL make the Oilers in the next few years....they give us exactly what we seem to be missing....some grit and physical play with a bit of a scoring touch. and if big John McCarron can make it to the 4th line one day, we may be able to stop searching every year for these guys either via a trade or signing!

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#27 tileguy
October 29 2013, 10:11AM
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I guess this stat says it all. Not much we can do than let the season play out and DEMAND that MacT makes a trade, when the right one comes along. Somebody has to go.

The Oilers are 3-5-1 vs. the Eastern conference, while the rest of the west is 49-14-7.

The Oilers are 1-4 vs. the Metropolitan division, while the other 13 teams in the west are 26-3-3.

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#28 borisnikov
October 29 2013, 10:20AM
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At what point does O.N. make it mandatory to log in to make a comment and then start blocking IPs?

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#29 Lochenzo
October 29 2013, 10:30AM
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I find it easier to appreciate Jagr in his older years. It's not easy to grab the spotlight when you're second fiddle to Lemieux in Pittsburgh.

Jagr is much slower and fatigues much quicker out there, but he can still embarrass NHL calibre D-men and goalies. That's just how good he is.

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#30 2004Z06
October 29 2013, 10:40AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Amazing numbers by some of these Oldies, but Goodies... But that all happened before "traps", and "swarms" in the days when the forwards scored most of the goals the defense played defense.Also the goal tenders didn't wear Michilen Man, suits. The good old days.

Keep in mind it was also during a time when clutching and grabbing, hooking to the point of dragging a guy down as well as what we now see as "interference" were allowed.

Players of the former era may not have scored as much 5 v 5 today, but I am sure they would make it up on the PP.

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#31 LOIL99
October 29 2013, 10:41AM
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Jagr will be 2nd for guys who played over 1400 games, but you have to mention Lemieux who's career average was up there with Gretz at 1.88 pt/gm in 915 games. What I wouldn't give to have been able to watch these guys in their prime and be old enough to have appreciated it. Wow.

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#32 Rama Lama
October 29 2013, 10:46AM
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Ed wrote:

Yeah Perfect! Just what the Oilers need - another midget. When I want to watch midgets I watch midget wrestling - when I want to watch NHL hockey I watch Ottawa, LA, San Jose Toronto, etc. teams with size, skill and toughness!

The politically correct people of this world are shuddering reading your comments on midgets.......they are now called hobbits.

Get it right.

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#33 Spydyr
October 29 2013, 10:56AM
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Ed wrote:

Buzz off spydyr, dsf,mac1969 or whichever loser poached my name and posted this stupidiy!

Don't really appreciate being accused of something I had no hand in.Perhaps you can show some proof before falsely accusing people.

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#34 madjam
October 29 2013, 11:09AM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

Is Bachman going to start Bach to Bach games? Or will he be the Bachup? Or will he get sent Bach down to OKC?

Bach to reality , he gets the start because he eats lots of vegetables like bach choy and bacholi .

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#35 Zarny
October 29 2013, 11:10AM
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Ed wrote:

I also like watching midget porn...

TMI Ed...TMI.

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#36 Ari Gold
October 29 2013, 11:21AM
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Jagr is a king. Same with Selanne as well.

Wish the Oil had a savvy vet like that to teach their kids the ropes. These Oilers look like a buch of screaming kids knocking everything over at Shoppers Drug Mart with clueless parents in the magazine aisle.

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#37 Lloyd B.
October 29 2013, 11:25AM
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Lander sent to OKC. Makes room for Gagner.

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#38 madjam
October 29 2013, 11:37AM
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FORSIGHT: Our second set of ten games , if results stay same for this set as first ten against mainly out of conference teams - then I believe Lowe and Katz will drop the rebuild and trade away 2/3 rds of top six and J.Schu;tz . It's either stick with them and continue to remain in basement of league , or get back in the race by upsizing . Those will get us plenty of skilled bigger talents to move forward with . This time it will be called retooling . I expect two major 1-2 young defenceman and two young bigger centers with skill and toughness and perhaps a goalie of note . After 20 games we may be an early trader .

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#39 OilDieHard
October 29 2013, 11:39AM
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God bless Lander, but he just doesn't look like he skates well enough to be an NHL regular.

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#40 Hemmercules
October 29 2013, 11:41AM
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Gagner back early just adds another smurf to this band of midget losers. A least they can play run and gun with the Leafs and maybe squeak out a 5-4 win if they are lucky. With the way some of these divisional teams are playing the Oil will be eliminate from the playoffs earlier than they ever have. I can't believe its not even November and I'm already debating weather I should waste a night watching another fruitless game.....

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#41 Will
October 29 2013, 11:48AM
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These are great tidbits. I don't think the Oilers are having trouble outscoring the opposition, they are having trouble with letting too many goals in. By that I mean it is not the fault of the offence as to why their record is the way it is. I can imagine scoring 5 and 4 goals against anther team and coming away with a loss is pretty defeating. Especially since most of those goals are coming on even strength. If we can score more on the power play, which for this team should be their bread and butter, and let in less goals on the PK, which was really good last year, the team could turn it right around.

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#42 StHenriOilBomb
October 29 2013, 11:56AM
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I'm curious. What would it take to pry the double J from the Devils?

With the reported troubles Yak is having adjusting to the N.A. style of play, it could be in the Oilers' long term interest to bring in a mentor like Jagr. By many accounts he taught some of the Stars' younger players the dedication and work ethic needed to succeed in the NHL. Jagr is an idol of Yak's, and maybe over the later half of the season Jagr could teach him a thing or three about succeeding in the North American game...

I have no real idea what it would take to get Jagr from the Devils. I do know that they wouldn't be throwing away a playoff birth by doing it, and that the Oilers have some areas of redundancy from where they could deal. If it's doable for a decent defense prospect and someone like Arco or Lander, then maybe it's worth it for both teams.

I think it's foolish to underestimate the kind of impact a player like Jags could have on a young, skilled group like Edmonton's - especially Yak.

I'm not suggesting this because I think it will push the Oilers in to the playoffs. I think it would be more of a long term investment. Kind of like bringing in a grizzled manager from another branch to help with the opening and training of a new group of staff. Invaluable.

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#43 Hemmercules
October 29 2013, 11:57AM
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3 points back from 14th place, 13 points out of first, already 7 points out of the playoffs! And most of the team even have games in hand. This team is laughably bad with no remedy in sight. (I even trashed my own comment after reading it over again, what a joke of a team, 7 years outta the playoffs and riding last place once again. Go Oilers!!!!)

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#44 DSF
October 29 2013, 12:06PM
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Another TuesdayTidbit:

The Canucks new 1st line of Kesler-Sedin-Sedin is now called "Ry and Ginger".

You're welcome.

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#45 OilersOZ
October 29 2013, 12:12PM
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The 80s and 90s were arguably the greatest decades to watch hockey. Look at the top 20 point leaders in NHL history. While points are not a great indicator of "great hockey", the names are. In my opinion, we had the best group of HOF players compared to any other era in hockey. We are watching the remnants of that great era head for retirement. Enjoy it while we can.

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#46 DSF
October 29 2013, 12:13PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

3 points back from 14th place, 13 points out of first, already 7 points out of the playoffs! And most of the team even have games in hand. This team is laughably bad with no remedy in sight. (I even trashed my own comment after reading it over again, what a joke of a team, 7 years outta the playoffs and riding last place once again. Go Oilers!!!!)

Actually, to be accurate, the Oilers are currently 9 points out of the playoffs since they would need to finish AHEAD of the final wildcard team since they lose all the tiebreakers.

Given that STL is currently in 9th in the WC, have a record of 6-1-2 and have THREE games in hand on the Oilers, the picture is actually worse than it looks on the surface.

Additionally, the two teams who currently hold the two wild card spots in the WC, LAK and PHX, play each other tonight.

Someone is going to win that game and perhaps it'll be a 3 pointer.

The Oilers need to win tonight just to run in place.

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#47 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 29 2013, 12:15PM
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Please be 3-10-2 come Sunday.

Please be 3-10-2 come Sunday.

Things haven't been working out so well and our Oilers still appear to be in desperate need of a few more difference makers. Please dumb this down for our scouting staff and let others do their homework for them again. Top 3 would make it much easier on them.

I pray this in your name......amen!

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#48 james_dean
October 29 2013, 12:17PM
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Hello McFly wrote:

Was it fun getting swirly's in high school?

I hated chocolate swirlys the worst

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#49 OilersOZ
October 29 2013, 12:18PM
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@StHenriOilBomb

Its a bigger adjustment for Yak than any other Oiler i can think of in the last 20 years. He needs time. I believe in him. I just hope the team doesnt move him because he is potentially the best sniper we have since Bill Guerin came through town.

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#50 lolhockey
October 29 2013, 12:20PM
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@Oiler Al Not sure what you mean by "all happened before traps". Selanne and Jagr both played during the 'trap' and 'dead puck' era. Jagr was particularly impressive as he played in the East, regularly facing some of the best goalies of all time (Roy, Hasek & Broduer) in their prime with guys draped on his back. He still dominated.

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