RNH: HELP IS ON THE WAY

Robin Brownlee
October 03 2013 10:31PM

Having spent not one minute in medical school, you can pass off what my eyes are telling me as rank speculation, but I'd be surprised beyond words if Ryan Nugent-Hopkins isn't ready to play when the Edmonton Oilers open a six-game road trip in Toronto Oct. 12.

It's entirely possible, as I suggested today on Twitter, that Nugent-Hopkins and his surgically repaired shoulder will be medically cleared before then and he could see action as early as Monday against New Jersey, although a return Thursday against the Montreal Canadiens at Rexall Place seems a more likely bet.

There hasn’t been one word regarding a definite return date from Nugent-Hopkins, coach Dallas Eakins or Edmonton's medical staff, but after RNH took a skate today that included full contact on the ice – he's been taking controlled contact off the ice for a couple of weeks – it looks from where I sit like fans are about to get some good news.

Am I being too optimistic in pegging RNH's return by the start of the road trip? Maybe, but I don't think so based on similar cases and what I've seen over years watching the Oilers rehab players who are coming back from the same type of shoulder surgery RNH had last April.

SOON ENOUGH . . .

While neither RNH nor Eakins offered up anything concrete today, and a return date could be a moving target based on how the shoulder reacts to stepped up contact, I'm confident No. 93 will be back, as I've written before, closer to Oct. 1 than Nov. 1. The question now is how much closer? Mark me down for Oct. 10.

"We’ve been trying to bring him along slowly but he’s been active in some drills. Maybe not as active," Eakins said today.

"The other thing that happens in practice, too, is that because he’s been a part of our group every day, the other players forget. They don’t think, 'Hey, maybe not so hard on him,' but the guys were competing pretty hard and he was right in the middle of it today.”

If Nugent-Hopkins can stay in "the middle of it" for another week without any pain or swelling, and with Sam Gagner already skating with a full face-shield on to protect his busted jaw, there is reason for optimism – timely, after watching the Oilers cough up a two-goal lead in a 5-4 loss to Winnipeg on opening night.

My guess is you'll get the first half of any news regarding RNH and Gagner by the time the Habs come calling Thursday. Stay tuned.

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#51 Ray
October 04 2013, 05:43AM
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@Klima's Mullet

Totally agree! This is exactly the way the line-up should look like!

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#52 Mikey
October 04 2013, 07:33AM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

Sorry Quicksilver, I don't often see Malkin, Crosby, Datsyuk and Ovechkin flip the puck cross ice and have a rookie defenseman in his first NHL game read it like the cover of a book and then tie the game on the same play. That or stick handle into 3 players from the other team and have it poked off their stick and score on that turnover as well.

They are busy putting puck in net on the opposition, not turning it over! The best players in the game aren't known for turnovers, they are known for scoring and playing a 200 ft. game. Hall has amazing physical skills, but doesn't compare when it comes to thinking the game like the top guys. That is why he gets leveled on a near nightly basis by guys named Andrew Alberts. He's not in that category.

He scored a lot in an abbreviated season last year. Let's not jump to conclusions and add him to the exclusive club just yet.

Actually those players do dangle threw 3 players. Ever see Crosby goal from last year where he went threw 3 NYI and scored. What about Datsyk against Nashville?

The difference is those guys succeed at it more often than not. And yes Datsyk often is at the top of giveaways every year, but he is a.so at the top of takeaways every year too.

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#53 OilCanFan
October 04 2013, 07:42AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If it was up to me, I'd play Hall and RNH at centre until Gagner gets back. Eakins has at least two more games to contemplate what he'll do.

Let's not be too quick to yank Hall out of the middle. He's learning the position and he's going to give away the puck no matter what position he plays because he tries to make plays.

I agree to this as well, Hall is learning and we'll probably have a few more injuries this season so might as well get some depth.

On another note, all those Schneider fans, how about that game last night? Three goals on 21 shots for a .857 SV%.

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#54 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
October 04 2013, 09:42AM
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@Robin Brownlee @Craig1981

I didn't mean to suggest that I have more invested in RNH's health than the team, I just always get concerned when a team has a glaring hole at a position and a player at said position is coming back from injury.

The player almost always wants to play ASAP, the team wants him back, so they put him back in the lineup as soon as it's acceptable to do so.

I would prefer the scenario of having the player "over-ripe" in their rehab, just as I prefer the scenario of having players "over-ripe" in their development before they join the big club.

In my opinion, this approach is more beneficial to the player's strength, confidence and conditioning...

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#55 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
October 04 2013, 09:53AM
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@Tim in Kelowna

My sentiments exactly.

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#56 Spydyr
October 04 2013, 09:55AM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

Sorry Quicksilver, I don't often see Malkin, Crosby, Datsyuk and Ovechkin flip the puck cross ice and have a rookie defenseman in his first NHL game read it like the cover of a book and then tie the game on the same play. That or stick handle into 3 players from the other team and have it poked off their stick and score on that turnover as well.

They are busy putting puck in net on the opposition, not turning it over! The best players in the game aren't known for turnovers, they are known for scoring and playing a 200 ft. game. Hall has amazing physical skills, but doesn't compare when it comes to thinking the game like the top guys. That is why he gets leveled on a near nightly basis by guys named Andrew Alberts. He's not in that category.

He scored a lot in an abbreviated season last year. Let's not jump to conclusions and add him to the exclusive club just yet.

Hall still has a lot or junior hockey in his game.He is still learning the pro game.Once he does look out.

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#57 Walter Sobchak
October 04 2013, 11:13AM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

Sorry Quicksilver, I don't often see Malkin, Crosby, Datsyuk and Ovechkin flip the puck cross ice and have a rookie defenseman in his first NHL game read it like the cover of a book and then tie the game on the same play. That or stick handle into 3 players from the other team and have it poked off their stick and score on that turnover as well.

They are busy putting puck in net on the opposition, not turning it over! The best players in the game aren't known for turnovers, they are known for scoring and playing a 200 ft. game. Hall has amazing physical skills, but doesn't compare when it comes to thinking the game like the top guys. That is why he gets leveled on a near nightly basis by guys named Andrew Alberts. He's not in that category.

He scored a lot in an abbreviated season last year. Let's not jump to conclusions and add him to the exclusive club just yet.

Not to jump in on your conversation and I’m not disagreeing with you, but how much was that Halls fault and how much of that was just a bad goal?

I would prefer that Hall at least try to continue being offensive minded.

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#58 k
October 04 2013, 07:27PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

In your first paragraph you state that it doesn't matter RNH returns, because the oilers have too many holes. (a symptom of RNH's injury)

Second paragraph you raise concerns about Smyth being on the first line. (another symptom of RNH's injury)

My question is if the symptoms of RNH's injury is too many holes in the lineup and having Ryan Smyth play 1st line minutes how does it not matter when he returns.

You really don't think the oilers will greatly benefit from having the Nuge back?

Nuge is their best player and make no mistake about that. But he isn’t going to make them a contender because he had surgery on his shoulder. It’s the lack of depth that allows for a Ryan Smyth to be awarded 1st line minutes.

I spoke out often against Smyth returning to the Oilers three years ago, the experiment has been a disaster on all levels.

If you’re a prospect or a quality NHL’er would you sign with the Oilers? Most wouldn’t/don’t – have you ever wondered why not

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#59 Cowbell_Feva
October 05 2013, 04:12AM
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I think people mis-understood me. I think Taylor Hall is an unbelievable talent. I was just giving a few examples of bad turnovers in Game1. I am not a Dubnyk fan, so yes he should have stopped a lot of the pucks that tickled twine. Thats another story.

All I was saying, is that Hall doesn't seemt to see the ice the same way the elite NHL stars do. I rarely ever see Crosby or Datsyuk of Ovie get levelled. Hall sees as much snow as Hartnell. He's gifted physically. He produces when healthy. I am just worried that he won't be able to have a long career if he continues to get belted around game in game out.

As for Crosby....he got blind sided in the outdoor games a few years back then took a puck in the chops....hardly not having your head up.

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#60 seanjohn667
October 04 2013, 05:33AM
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Klima's Mullet wrote:

Hall-Nuge-Yakupov, Perron-Arcobello-Eberle, Joensuu-Gordon-Hemsky, Gazdic/Smyth-Acton-Brown

i hope this is what happens when Nuge returns

I think this is the surest bet to wins. If Hall looks good at C tomorrow and Monday, maybe you leave him there a little longer, but your lineup is probably the strongest.

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#61 Craig1981
October 04 2013, 08:44AM
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@Robin Brownlee

I'm not sure if that last comment was directed at me, but regardless I totally agree with you that Hall's rewards outweigh his risk. (fans that cheer for a player when his move works and boo him when it doesn't drives me crazy)

But I do also think when playing center you have people on both your left AND right which make turnovers far more possible, which is why I believe Hall is better on the wing.

The question IMO, isn't if Hall is better than Arcobello at center (Its Hall no question). The question is, would you prefer Hall on wing centered with Arcobello or Smyth on wing centered by Hall.

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#62 Craig1981
October 04 2013, 09:27AM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

Am I the only one who's concerned that they may be rushing Nuge back? The team needs him, center depth is clearly atrocious, but I'd rather watch the Oilers eat dirt for the entire month of October and then enjoy a fully-rehabbed RNH for the rest of the season then watch Nuge come back a couple games early if he's not 100% (both with his shoulder and conditioning/confidence).

I don't believe the Doctors what clear him will place any bearing on the fact the Oilers are down 2 centermen or the the Oiler's organization would risk him being injured after they signed him to a contract like they just did.

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#63 Quicksilver ballet
October 04 2013, 10:27AM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

Am I the only one who's concerned that they may be rushing Nuge back? The team needs him, center depth is clearly atrocious, but I'd rather watch the Oilers eat dirt for the entire month of October and then enjoy a fully-rehabbed RNH for the rest of the season then watch Nuge come back a couple games early if he's not 100% (both with his shoulder and conditioning/confidence).

Fear not Brass

With Luke Gazdilla at his side, Ryan will be virtually unbreakable. Fear the beard, or even the dapper moustache. The Oilers have their own version of the Legion of Doom line in Eager/Gazdic/Brown. It matters not whom plays center. Eager would be free to be the finesse player on that line. When he's back from his OKC vacation that is. Relax....i have this all worked out people.

Now if we can just get Eakins to start smashing some sticks over the boards, this out of control temperament would be complete.

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#64 Tom
October 04 2013, 10:54AM
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Donnybrook wrote:

The reason for Hall's turnover is that he was trying to hard to compensate with playing with only one other player on his line. He threw the puck into the middle where a competent winger would normally have been, but Ryan Smyth was still sucking air trying to get past the face off dot in his own end.

Don't just make stuff up. Makes you look stupid. It was a labeled pass and Smyth was actually close to where the puck was going if it had not been picked off.

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#65 rindog
October 04 2013, 12:55PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If you find yourself fixating on Hall's turnovers, you're overthinking the situation.

While Hall needs to work on reducing turnovers in his game, just as every player should, those turnovers are a product of puck possession and his attempt to make plays. That should be obvious.

I'll take a player with Hall's point production and ability to create plays and drive the attack who turns it over once in awhile ahead of a safe player who never gives it away but produces nothing any day.

Insert Hemsky's name in this post and that applies to his time in Edmonton...

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#66 csaw84
October 04 2013, 05:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Indications that RNH was progressing well ahead of schedule have been there for a long time -- since he was seen firing the puck with a lot of mustard on it several weeks ago. Jim Matheson of the Journal commented on it at the time, as did I.

Follow that up with bits and pieces and reports from guys like Bob Stauffer and Jason Gregor, who are at the rink all the time and have watched the recovery first-hand, and the timetable of RNH's return wasn't all that difficult to call.

Yeah, although I stated it poorly in response to brassmaster, that was what I was implying. It certainly doesnt seem like the Oilers are 'rushing' him in to fill a positional hole. All reports from the likes of yourself, Gregor, Stauffer, etc. have pointed to an early arrival based on RNH's progress rather than the Oilers rushing him.

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#67 Avatarget
October 04 2013, 06:54PM
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Just to throw another thought out there...have the Oilers ever given much thought to trying Eberle out at center. He is a bit smallish for the corner work a winger needs to do and he is certainly a good enough playmaker to do the job. It just seems to me he might be better suited skillwise to make the transition from the wing to center than Hall is. I have never heard anyone discuss this possibilty and am curious what the Nation thinks of it.

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#68 Dan 1919
October 04 2013, 09:29PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Hold on, there...

*I'M* a Flames fan trolling these blogs.

^That^ guy is just an idiot.

And as mentioned in previous discussions on the topic, I am also a medical doctor who is at least passingly familiar with shoulder stabilization surgeries. And my prediction was that RNH's shoulder would be ready to start the season, but the player himself would not be. And I believe my prediction stands up well to the facts so far.

Of course RNH returning is crucial for the Oilers. But I still think the Flames and Oilers finish neck-and-neck out of the playoff picture.

There are 25 minutes each game where the Oilers should have a set of 1st pairing defensive studs out there, but they don't because those players are not on the roster. That's not something you can fake, or wave away by talking about 'committees'.

Please continue Doctor.

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#69 Reinman
October 05 2013, 10:59AM
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Don W wrote:

When Nuge comes back Arcobello will sit and Hall will keep playing centre until Gagner is back. I would like to see Perron with Hall and Hemsky and Smyth with Nuge and Ebs. I think it would be a better fit.

Arco was one of the few non minus players in the first game, and he got a point. I don't think it is fair to ship him off just yet. Put Hall back on the wing drop Smyth to the 4th line. If you give a player a chance, then play him until he plays himself out of that position. I don't think it is fair to any player to sit him when he comes in and plays well. It is very discouraging. Hell if he plays well enough, maybe when both centers come back, maybe there would be a place on the left wing for him.

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#71 oilabroad
October 04 2013, 07:41AM
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RB, what do you do when Gagner gets back and Hall is playing well at center?? Our center depth looks so much better with Hall/Nuge, I think I would prefer to see Gagner moved to the wing... any thoughts?

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#72 hockeycrazed
October 04 2013, 08:45AM
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Hall should go back to left when Nuge return to the line up, simply because he is comfortable there, the angle of his shots, the way he skates by his defenders, using the boards to get the puck past the defenders etc. etc. are all natural to him, this is not the time for him or the team to take on an experience this big of a magnitude----albeit the line mates are not familiar with one another yet, if and when the oils have their lines set for a while ( preferably a year or maybe two ) then gradually try him in center from game to game, maybe. We should understand that Hall is there only because Nuge and then Gagner were hurt, it's of necessity, not a permanent solution.

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#73 Tfreds77
October 04 2013, 10:01AM
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I'd love to see Hall and RNH as the top 2 centers going forward. Gagner's physical deficiencies could be masked so much better on the wing. Hall can have a greater impact on the game when he learns the center ice position. We would then have our 2 best players in the most important position. Every solid team has 2 great centers (Crosby Malkin, Bergeron Kreicji, Sedin Kesler, Thornton Couture) and this would put the Oilers in that conversation going forward.

I'd like to see the lines look like this.

Joensuu Hall Eberle Gagner RNH Perron Yakupov Gordon Hemsky Smyth/Gazdic Acton Brown

Ference J.Schultz Smid Petry Belov N. Schultz

We would have 3 scoring lines, and when Yak becomes a little more reliable we could move him up the depth chart as we see fit (Joensuu down). Because he's the X factor in the lineup.

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#74 csaw84
October 04 2013, 12:49PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@Robin Brownlee @Craig1981

I didn't mean to suggest that I have more invested in RNH's health than the team, I just always get concerned when a team has a glaring hole at a position and a player at said position is coming back from injury.

The player almost always wants to play ASAP, the team wants him back, so they put him back in the lineup as soon as it's acceptable to do so.

I would prefer the scenario of having the player "over-ripe" in their rehab, just as I prefer the scenario of having players "over-ripe" in their development before they join the big club.

In my opinion, this approach is more beneficial to the player's strength, confidence and conditioning...

I'm pretty sure the glaring hole at center will exist as much in March as it does today. Most media types are also commenting that Nuge's shot looks heavier and he is looking really sharp in practice.....maybe he is over-ripe.

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#75 rob
October 04 2013, 01:58PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Indications that RNH was progressing well ahead of schedule have been there for a long time -- since he was seen firing the puck with a lot of mustard on it several weeks ago. Jim Matheson of the Journal commented on it at the time, as did I.

Follow that up with bits and pieces and reports from guys like Bob Stauffer and Jason Gregor, who are at the rink all the time and have watched the recovery first-hand, and the timetable of RNH's return wasn't all that difficult to call.

hey Robin,now that RNh is coming back,if you were the coach(I know we all try to be armchair gm/coach)would you scrammble the lines a bit and get jousnuu with hall,gadzik with Rnh and have mabey brown on fouth,i know this seems dumb but I would love to see the oil have some toughness on all the lines?

hemsky-hall-jousnuu eberle-rnh-gadzick perron-gordon-yaks smyth-arcs-brown

Just some toughness through the line up-do you think this would help or hurt?

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#76 Dan 1919
October 04 2013, 09:25PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

With winger Ryan Hamilton being recalled today you have to think that Taylor Hall will stay at centre.

My guess is that puts Arcobello in the press box or back in OKC. Will Acton seems better suited to be a fourth-line centre behind Hall, RNH and Boyd Gordon than Arcobello does.

If Arco is scratched on the account of RNH returning, that doesn't affect LW R.Hamilton. Is he just being brought up as a pre-caution incase someone gets injured in warm ups or are there changes coming to the LW (or even RW)?

I think Acton serves as a better 4th liner too.

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#77 Don W
October 04 2013, 09:51PM
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When Nuge comes back Arcobello will sit and Hall will keep playing centre until Gagner is back. I would like to see Perron with Hall and Hemsky and Smyth with Nuge and Ebs. I think it would be a better fit.

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#78 Reagan
October 05 2013, 07:19AM
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Watch the Oilers roll him out tonight!

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#79 Thumby
October 05 2013, 09:04AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

David: How can we be sure "k" is an internet poser?

While "k" chooses not to attach his real name (or a legit email address or website) to what he says here, he might not be an internet poser or an insecure little dude craving attention, as I suggested. Maybe he's just shy or he's a really important person who doesn't want to reveal his identity.

For all we know, "k" might walk through the front door of my glass shop any day now -- I'm easy to find with my address being listed and all that -- and say, "I'm k. You wanna be a tough guy? Put up or shut up." Oh my.

Boy, wouldn't we feel stupid if that happened?

What??!! Brownlee owns an auto glass shop? What rock have I been living under?

My wife's Odyssey has a windshield that looks like a giant spider's web...I better go see RB ASAP!

Robin - what is your shop called and where is it? I will support the Nation in any fashion possible (as long as it benefits me too!)

;D

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#81 Reinman
October 05 2013, 10:50AM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Unless Hall has a stand-out game positionally speaking against Van tomorrow, he will go back to left wing as the Oilers don't have enough depth there and aren't gaining enough to leave him at centre.

That means when the musical chairs are done, Gazdic, Smyth or Brown will be scratched. As of last game it should be Smyth, but it will likely be Brown or Gazdic.

(Hall, RNH, Hemsky) (Perron, Arco, Ebs) (JJ, Gordon, Yak) (Gazdic/Smyth, Acton, Brown)

Unless they're on a mission to have RNH and Hall as their long term centres. Then Arcobello and Acton are battling for a spot... (Smyth, Hall, Hemsky) (Perron, RNH, Ebs) (JJ, Arco, Yak) (Gaz, Gordon, Brown)

It will be interesting to see what happens with Smyth because if he puts on a dido performance of the opener, it will be hard to justify scratching someone else to keep him dressed as Gazdic and Brown both played an excellent 4th line roll. Based on my guesses, Smyth should hope Hall stays centre.

I think you just drop Smyth to the 4th line when RNH returns. SO you get Hall-RNH-Hemsky, JJ-Arco-Ebs, Perron-Gordon-Yak, Smyth-Acton-Brown

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#82 Reinman
October 05 2013, 11:08AM
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k wrote:

Nuge is their best player and make no mistake about that. But he isn’t going to make them a contender because he had surgery on his shoulder. It’s the lack of depth that allows for a Ryan Smyth to be awarded 1st line minutes.

I spoke out often against Smyth returning to the Oilers three years ago, the experiment has been a disaster on all levels.

If you’re a prospect or a quality NHL’er would you sign with the Oilers? Most wouldn’t/don’t – have you ever wondered why not

Just to state the obvious. Smyth is playing top line for 2 reasons.

1. Eakins want 3 balanced scoring lines, which is something I support. Come playoff time, you want to be able to roll 4 lines.

2. Injuries - You are aware we are without 2 centers, and Hall who is our best LW, is playing center. Also Perron would be playing on that line if Eakins wanted to load up the top line, but he does not want to do that.

I agree the Oilers could use 1 more quality LW, but they don't have it. Maybe JJ can fill that spot when everyone is healthy. I don't like that -2 in the first game, but then again, it was only one game, and he did score.

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#83 Thumby
October 05 2013, 01:19PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Real deal automotive franchise, Bub. Been open for over a year now. If you're serious, it's Crackmasters Southwest. Look me up and feel free to call or stop by any time.

I've had many Nation members come to me and they all get a discount. They'll also be getting Nation stickers and other swag once I get my supply from Nation head office. The only condition is you provide your real name for the receipt.

Aha! So you are the one saying "Show us your crack!"...LOL...makes total sense now!

Now I guess I'll be one dropping the wife's van off...

Also - I've done work for Mike J your marketing manager...always good to deal with your customers!

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#84 Thumby
October 05 2013, 04:26PM
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Sorry, Thumby, you're thinking of Glassmasters, not Crackmasters. I've never asked anybody to show me their crack.

LOL - honest mistake!

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