Out-finished?

Jason Strudwick
October 30 2013 10:38AM

After the four to nothing loss to the Maple Leafs Tuesday night, Oilers head coach Dallas Eakins said his team was simply "out-finished." There is no doubt that James Reimer played a solid game for the Leafs but I know there was more to this loss then the Oilers being "out-finished".

If Dallas Eakins wants to simply chalk this one up to that reason the Oilers will continue to play a very high-risk style with no guaranteed results going forward. Scary thought. These types of teams are happy to play a track meet type of game with lots of chances both for and against. The Oilers will just have to hope they score more goals then the other team. They will also need to go out and find the greatest goalie of all time because he will be under siege and expected to make huge saves nightly to give his team's chance to out gun the opposition.

This has never and will never be a recipe for success in the NHL. It is a lot of fun to watch for fans, it is exciting hockey but no real long-term success will be the result.

The good news about this comment of being "out-finished" is that it is most likely not what Eakins really thinks about the game. He is trying to protect his club after a very poor start to the season. In my experience most often coaches say one thing to the media and another to their team. I am guessing that Eakins sees a fragile team and realizes there is no need for him to beat them up in the press. I get it and agree with him.

Risky Business

Matching lines is a great way for a coach to tip the balance of a game in his team's favor. It isn't easy to get the match ups you want on the road but at home, with last change, it becomes a whole lot easier.

Again last night Eakins seemed to want to have his first line of Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov out again the top line of the Leafs. Oh boy. He also seems to like having Justin Schultz and Anton Belov on the ice with Gagner’s line. Oh no.

Having the J. Schultz pairing on the ice with your top offensive line makes sense from a pure offensive firepower point of view. When those five get skating and are on the attack their creativity is a lot of fun to watch and can produce goals.

The dark side of that combo is what we saw on the first two goals from last night. On the first goal, Belov pinches down, Yakupov is the high man and should back him up. Yakupov doesn't back him up which results in a two on one for the Leafs two most dangerous players. Goal! Barely a minute into the game.

On the second Leafs goal, the same five Oilers are out there against the top line for the leafs. The Oilers have a good offensive rush going up the ice. Belov stays back because J Schultz jumps in and has a great chance to score but Reimer comes up with a big save.

When a d-man jumps into the play, one of the forward needs to stay back a little to be in a position to defend. No one hangs back. Quickly the two most dangerous Leafs, Kessel and Van Reimsdyk, turn the puck up ice for a full ice two versus one. Goal!

The day may come when these five Oilers can match other teams top line both offensively and defensively, that day is not upon us. One school of thought could be that Eakins is putting these match ups together so that these young players can learn tough lessons now. Maybe Eakins wants them to learn under fire.

I can see the reasoning behind this approach long-term, if the players learn the lessons. In the short term these match ups will make it very hard for the Oilers to win games. To many nights this season opponents’ top lines are having a field days against the Oilers. If the Oilers specialty teams continue to struggle and opponents’ top lines produce points the wins will not come for the Oilers. The second to fourth lines can't score that many.

I would suggest a slight change in approach to Eakins. No more Anyon Belov and Justin Schultz on the ice at the same time as the top line. Yakupov and J. Schultz are two extremely offensive minded skaters. The issue is they create far too many offensive chances for opponents and having them on the ice at the same time doesn't work at this point in their development.

The other way at looking at Eakins choice in line match ups is it could be he is uncomfortable with matching any if his other lines up with opponents top lines. This is the scarier thought for me. If he feels his best option is a young group of forwards then this team needs help.

To me Boyd Gordan is a no-brainer to match against top lines. But who should be his wingers? Who does Eakins trust to get the job done? Who has the skating ability, defensive awareness and physical requirements to challenge a top line?

If you are having a tough time answering that question just think how Eakins feels.

The Leafs have a great line that can do this. David Clarkson, Mason Raymond and Dave Bolland, three veteran players from winning organizations. I am not a huge Raymond fan but he fills his role on that line. A line like this would go a long way to helping the clear match up issues the Oilers are having.

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#1 1983 and This Year
October 30 2013, 10:45AM
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Struds, I feel genuinely sorry for you, LT, Willis, Brownlee and Gregor. I’ve been a diehard fan for 30 years and after defending the ineptitude of this team for 20 years, I can shut it down today because for the first time I’m genuinely embarrassed to be an Oilers fan.

I’ve given up on the team because the team has given up on me.

You guys don’t have that luxury. You have to keep showing up here and on the radio, picking some angle to describe for the 1000th time that they suck, they’ve sucked forever, and there’s no end in sight to the suck. Sorry guys, through no fault of your own, ON left my bookmarks this morning.

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#2 Jackson
October 30 2013, 10:49AM
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Deja Vu all over again.

Eakins can only use the tools he has. The problem dates back to the common denominator Kevin Lowe. His philosophy is wrong , he know nothing about winning.

You could bring in Mike Babcock you would get similar results. Lowe is a cancer whether you like him as a person or not. Oilers have gone for the low hanging fruit( no pun intended) and have fired coaches it is time to right this ship 8 is enough. Fire Kevin Lowe

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#3 outdoorzguy
October 30 2013, 10:51AM
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It's pretty bad when the Leaf's "out-do" anyone!! Continue to put $$$$ into the pockets of Katz. That's all he cares about...he's a business man. Buy those jerseys. More $$$$ for Katz. Keep hoping for a turnaround. It's been fifteen years...there's no turnaround coming anytime soon. This is an inferior team at best that has proven it can't play together. Time for "BOLD MOVES". Yeah right. This inferior team is being led by a coaching staff that is less than NHL quality and caliber. And this inferior team is being supported by a management team that at best is mediocre, despite their vocal attempts at "Hoping" something can be done. Just keep going to the games, buying those jerseys and souvenirs and picking up your prescriptions at Rexall. Until it hits in the pocketbook nothing will change. Nothing!!

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#4 5 Cups
October 30 2013, 10:52AM
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October and done........again.

Worst thing about it is I have 4 more games in my minipak to go to.

The staff at Rexall might just want to play Sweet Georgia Brown every time the oposition has the puck.

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#5 oilers2k10
October 30 2013, 10:52AM
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I Like Eakins coaching style..I like how aggressive he wants this team to play..problem right now is the young players on this team havent learned the nhl game well enough to succeed playing such aggressive hockey..and the Defence needs a major upgrade to handle this kind of tempo.

I like how Eakins style looks on paper..and in time if players work hard enough at it..management hangs on to the high end talent (as opposed to trading it for B level 2way forwards) it will pay off...if this team stays strong mentally.

and quit blaming road trips and injuries..every freakin team deals with those.

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#6 Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead
October 30 2013, 10:53AM
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Everyone in Edmonton is turning into such pouts all of a sudden. The young guns are learning, they're getting better and they're playing harder minutes in more difficult situations. Did we want Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak to be perimeter guys for the rest of their careers? Hell no! We want them to be gritty and tough, situations that Kruger never put them in. Now Eakins is making them change their style of play to be more like Ovi, Crosby, etc and be real threats in the NHL. It's gonna look ugly for a while but Eakins is the first coach in a long time to show any determination not just to make the team better, but to make individual players better. (Look how Kadri has turned out under him). I support Eakins 1000% and although there are trades to be made, they aren't trades that will build a dynasty; Eakin's actions will build a winning franchise.

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#7 Robin Brownlee
October 30 2013, 11:00AM
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1983 and This Year wrote:

Struds, I feel genuinely sorry for you, LT, Willis, Brownlee and Gregor. I’ve been a diehard fan for 30 years and after defending the ineptitude of this team for 20 years, I can shut it down today because for the first time I’m genuinely embarrassed to be an Oilers fan.

I’ve given up on the team because the team has given up on me.

You guys don’t have that luxury. You have to keep showing up here and on the radio, picking some angle to describe for the 1000th time that they suck, they’ve sucked forever, and there’s no end in sight to the suck. Sorry guys, through no fault of your own, ON left my bookmarks this morning.

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

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#8 saskguy
October 30 2013, 11:00AM
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I have also noted these matchups. essentially making the firepower of your team a checking line. Crazy... A lot of this teams problems are structural IMHO. It would be nice for them to have clutch goaltending as well.

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#9 Oilzky
October 30 2013, 11:02AM
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"Out-finished"???? The Leafs scored 68 seconds into the game!! ...does this mean Eakins figures it was over before it began?

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#10 2004Z06
October 30 2013, 11:03AM
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Jackson wrote:

Deja Vu all over again.

Eakins can only use the tools he has. The problem dates back to the common denominator Kevin Lowe. His philosophy is wrong , he know nothing about winning.

You could bring in Mike Babcock you would get similar results. Lowe is a cancer whether you like him as a person or not. Oilers have gone for the low hanging fruit( no pun intended) and have fired coaches it is time to right this ship 8 is enough. Fire Kevin Lowe

Unfortunately won't change a damn thing. We need different players. These "kids" are in way over their heads. They handed the keys over to the youth waaaay to soon.

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#11 Bleak Winter
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Living in the past and never letting go like I'm being told to do would make that 1990 Zenith seem like a pretty sweet prize. Fingers crossed...

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#12 Cody anderson
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Hey Struds, at this point we don't have the guns (Hall) to match power vs power. I agree with you that we brought Gordon in to take on the Horcoff tough minutes role.

I didn't love the lines or how they were used.

Arcobello - Gordon - Eberle - against the other teams best. This is a skilled, 2 way line that can shut down the other team's power line, and still score. Perron - Nuge - Yakupov - This line should score a lot Jones - Gagner - Hemsky - ease Gags back in with soft minutes at 12-15 minutes a night Gazdic - Acton - Eager - limited ice time against soft competition.

When the other team has their best players out why not match with Smid and Petry, or Ference and Petry?

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#13 saskguy
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead wrote:

Everyone in Edmonton is turning into such pouts all of a sudden. The young guns are learning, they're getting better and they're playing harder minutes in more difficult situations. Did we want Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak to be perimeter guys for the rest of their careers? Hell no! We want them to be gritty and tough, situations that Kruger never put them in. Now Eakins is making them change their style of play to be more like Ovi, Crosby, etc and be real threats in the NHL. It's gonna look ugly for a while but Eakins is the first coach in a long time to show any determination not just to make the team better, but to make individual players better. (Look how Kadri has turned out under him). I support Eakins 1000% and although there are trades to be made, they aren't trades that will build a dynasty; Eakin's actions will build a winning franchise.

I agree with you a bit. But like Struds said, its putting all the offence together. I don't mind teaching the Young Guns how to check or defend but you need some reliable defenders out there on that same matchup, to help prevent some of the mistakes.

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#14 Doctor Smashy
October 30 2013, 11:07AM
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Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead wrote:

Everyone in Edmonton is turning into such pouts all of a sudden. The young guns are learning, they're getting better and they're playing harder minutes in more difficult situations. Did we want Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak to be perimeter guys for the rest of their careers? Hell no! We want them to be gritty and tough, situations that Kruger never put them in. Now Eakins is making them change their style of play to be more like Ovi, Crosby, etc and be real threats in the NHL. It's gonna look ugly for a while but Eakins is the first coach in a long time to show any determination not just to make the team better, but to make individual players better. (Look how Kadri has turned out under him). I support Eakins 1000% and although there are trades to be made, they aren't trades that will build a dynasty; Eakin's actions will build a winning franchise.

Dallas?...come on now...is that you?

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#15 ReJ
October 30 2013, 11:08AM
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Struds, what are we as fans supposed to do here? For the first time in my life I don't even care if the team wins or loses. It seems like every game has the same endings, we're either scored on early and can never recover or we get the lead and blow it late.

I used to take pride (what else is there to be proud of?) in being one of the the best worst teams in sports, now I can't even do that.

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#16 Ambassador humantorch
October 30 2013, 11:09AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

I'm pretty sure Kevin Lowe will win this. After all, he knows a little bit about winning, if there's ever a concern.

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#17 Doctor Smashy
October 30 2013, 11:11AM
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Doctor Smashy wrote:

Dallas?...come on now...is that you?

Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead

Sorry for being a wise-a$$ but this is about more than wanting them to be gritty. We can all agree we want our young players to be tough and tenacious. The problem is that these two things cannot go together - A. Swarm Defence: Playing a swarm defence means there will always be a man uncovered that you have to hope the guy with the puck isn't good enough to get the puck to quickly. B. Pitting your top line against the other team's top line: This means that the guy being swarmed will ALMOST ALWAYS be good enough to get the puck to the uncovered man quickly.

Unless I don't understand this swarm business (which is possible) I just don't see how this particular combination can ever, ever work.

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#18 2004Z06
October 30 2013, 11:12AM
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The only issue I have with putting Gordon on the top line is that in a matter of 3 games, the fans will make him the new whipping boy.

There may be one player on this team right now that can match up against the other teams top lines. He can score, stir S**t up, goes to the net, plays decent defensively and fore checks hard. His name is David Perron.

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#19 1983 and This Year
October 30 2013, 11:13AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Genuinely made me laugh. At least you always have the guts to call it the way you see it.

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#20 Chris
October 30 2013, 11:20AM
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Ambassador humantorch wrote:

I'm pretty sure Kevin Lowe will win this. After all, he knows a little bit about winning, if there's ever a concern.

HAHA! Nice, made me LOL. Needed that.

Fans need to rise up and start to embarrass this organization. If you are too much of a druggie to quit going to games at least boo. Don't necessarily boo the players though. Just boo the organization.

I suggest constant booing between each whistle.

Fire Kevin Lowe chants, and constant between whistle booing. Perhaps that will at least prompt some action or firings.

I'm tired of blaming the coach. 27 coaches later, eventually you have to look at the root cancer. Kevin Lowe.

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#21 Devolution
October 30 2013, 11:24AM
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Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead wrote:

Everyone in Edmonton is turning into such pouts all of a sudden. The young guns are learning, they're getting better and they're playing harder minutes in more difficult situations. Did we want Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak to be perimeter guys for the rest of their careers? Hell no! We want them to be gritty and tough, situations that Kruger never put them in. Now Eakins is making them change their style of play to be more like Ovi, Crosby, etc and be real threats in the NHL. It's gonna look ugly for a while but Eakins is the first coach in a long time to show any determination not just to make the team better, but to make individual players better. (Look how Kadri has turned out under him). I support Eakins 1000% and although there are trades to be made, they aren't trades that will build a dynasty; Eakin's actions will build a winning franchise.

Actually, there is very little evidence that they are learning or getting better.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

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#22 Dallylamma
October 30 2013, 11:26AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Man, throw in a VHS copy of some early 90s Oilers highlights and your page clicks will skyrocket!

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#23 Mark-LW
October 30 2013, 11:32AM
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The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-26. The first goal was blown coverage on a pinch. The second goal was a quick turn around after a good scoring chance went off the post and turned into an odd man rush the other way.

Two odd man rushes, two goals. Odd man rushes happen in hockey and not every one ends up a goal.

The third goal was a ridiculous play by Kessel, not much you can do about that shot.

Fourth goal was a horrible, horrible turnover by Petry.

I'm upset as hell with the teams record, but I would be more worried if the Leafs had out shot us 43-26.

Every team makes mistakes in a hockey game, the Leafs seemed to capitalize on every one we made while we couldn't get anything past Reimer.

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#24 rob
October 30 2013, 11:36AM
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Been an oiler fan sice 82,will always be an oier fan(although it hurts)but when will there be some changes?They need to change up the balance of this team and I am sick and tired of listening to give them time to learn,injuries,new coach ect.first 5 years I bought into but now its getting old and something has to give!Please santa bring us a #1 goalie,a true #1 defenceman and a bit of grit up front(also let hall stay healthy!)

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#25 Jed
October 30 2013, 11:37AM
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Why can't Daryl Katz see the elephant in the room.?

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#26 Clarko
October 30 2013, 11:37AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-26. The first goal was blown coverage on a pinch. The second goal was a quick turn around after a good scoring chance went off the post and turned into an odd man rush the other way.

Two odd man rushes, two goals. Odd man rushes happen in hockey and not every one ends up a goal.

The third goal was a ridiculous play by Kessel, not much you can do about that shot.

Fourth goal was a horrible, horrible turnover by Petry.

I'm upset as hell with the teams record, but I would be more worried if the Leafs had out shot us 43-26.

Every team makes mistakes in a hockey game, the Leafs seemed to capitalize on every one we made while we couldn't get anything past Reimer.

Shots were also 19-5 in the 3rd period when the game was well in hand for the Leafs. It was 24-21 Oilers after two periods, but how many great scoring opportunities did they have? Seemed like the Leafs shots were of much better quality than the Oilers.

That was the easiest looking 43 save shutout I've ever seen...

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#27 The_CWD_GarbageMan
October 30 2013, 11:38AM
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Somebody call for a garbage man?

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#28 #YakCityGettingScrewedOverByCoach&Mgmty
October 30 2013, 11:39AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-26. The first goal was blown coverage on a pinch. The second goal was a quick turn around after a good scoring chance went off the post and turned into an odd man rush the other way.

Two odd man rushes, two goals. Odd man rushes happen in hockey and not every one ends up a goal.

The third goal was a ridiculous play by Kessel, not much you can do about that shot.

Fourth goal was a horrible, horrible turnover by Petry.

I'm upset as hell with the teams record, but I would be more worried if the Leafs had out shot us 43-26.

Every team makes mistakes in a hockey game, the Leafs seemed to capitalize on every one we made while we couldn't get anything past Reimer.

Keep dreaming there little fella. Keep popping those happy pills. Don't forget your re-fills at Rexall. Is that a unicorn, mommy? LOL

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#29 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 11:40AM
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Watching who's line last night to get my mind off the oilers. Turns out The musician ladies that play for them are Linda TAYLOR and Laura HALL. There is no escape!

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#30 BleedingOil
October 30 2013, 11:42AM
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Goal 1) 3 forwards all on the left wing boards. puck gets behind net and you have Gagner trying to rush the defender behind the net. Defender flips puck to half boards and Gagner is all of a sudden going the wrong way. The Oilers Dman (same as Gagner) rushes to pinch in and puck gets by him. Now he is WAY behind the play. JrSchultz loses a bad foot race to Kadri, while Yak is busy waiting for someone to get him the puck. He pretty much lets Kessel blow by him. Kessel goes from 30 ft behind him to 20 ft in front of him before Yak realizes his team is wearing blue tonight. Oh yeah, take a look at Bantam AAA Schultz one arm swinging his stick at Kadri's puck. Come on JS, this is the NHL. Goal 2) Schultz pinching in again. DAMN YOU SCHULTZ. He totally blows the shot then wipes out. At 18:28 you can see 4 Oilers behind the net without the puck and Schultz still staring at the ceiling of Rexall, leaving first year Belov all alone on D. When the 2 on one becomes apparent at our blueline, Yak stops skating at the leafs Blueline and gives up. Goal 3) Just at Phaneuf tips puck behind net, we can see 4, count them 4, Oilers out past our faceoff circles and 3, yes 3, leafs within pissing distance of poor Bachman. Gagner is the only one to come to Greb's rescue. While Petry is Schultzing himself in the faceoff circle, Grebs totally leaves his man go behind the net and puts Bachman between himself and 2 leaf players with the puck. Goal 4) Kadri makes Petry nervous and he passes puck to mid ice with everyone on a line change instead of backhanding it behind the net, or off the boards on the left side. Yakupov is again gliding in as he always does and is waiting for Kessel to pass it to him so he can rifle it past Bachman.

This team is a joke. KLOWE Blows. Go get some help. Yak and Schultz need to go, along with our first overall pick next year and the year after. Lets get a bruising power forward, a stay in your zone Dman and a true starting goalie. MacT, I heard a rumor that your version of bold was to show episodes of BOLD and BEAUTIFUL instead of showing game footage. Is this true? Eakins, I was so excited when we brought you in, but where is the boomsauce? The kids need you to go a little batsh*t on the bench. Send Yak and Schultz to the pressbox for a few, tes few games. Demand MacT and KLOWE bring in some trades. Did we miss out on Vanek? Whats up with Ehrhoff. 5 of your top 6 FWD hitters are new this year, where are the rest of our hits. Time to go old school. Shoot the puck as often as possible and HIT anything that moves on our side of center ice.

Its going to be a long year. 6 of the top 7 teams in the league are western teams, and coincindentally are big hitting and shooting teams. You cant score if you dont shoot. You cant shoot if you dont have the puck, and you cant have the puck if you are afraid to physically take it from the other team. We are obviously not an elite team, SO STOP TRYING TO PLAY ELITE HOCKEY!!!!! these kids are not big enough or strong enough to get it. GOT IT? ROCKET SURGERY 101.

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#31 Jed
October 30 2013, 11:43AM
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Jed wrote:

Why can't Daryl Katz see the elephant in the room.?

Kevin Lowe

http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/elephant.jpg

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#32 RL
October 30 2013, 11:45AM
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I am scared by Eakins comments after that game. I hope it's the case that he didn't want to trash the players, but he seems unphased by the horrible record/no heart of this team. If the new system was such a big undertaking for the team to understand, why was he hired? He talks really well, but hockey is a results driven game. If he wants his players to learn with trial by fire, that means when MacT hired him they wrote off this season. Why are we still trying to develop our players for the long-term? This change in coaching and GM was to create success this season, this season being short term.

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#33 outdoorzguy
October 30 2013, 11:47AM
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The Oilers should move to Kansas City. They need a team in that nice new building. Then we can cancel the Edmonton arena deal because we won't have a need for it because we won't have an NHL team. Oh, wait a minute!!

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#34 Sidney Frosby
October 30 2013, 11:48AM
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Isn't it time to get Dan Girardi and maybe Brian Boyle out of NYR for Justin Shultz... or something to that degree...

NYR seems desperate for offense...But oddly they need better defense too.

Maybe Willie Mitchell out of LA for one of our defensive prospects...

Or maybe its time to send Grebeshkov down to AHL, sit Justin Shultz, and play Fendun.

Or Volchenkov from NJ...

Just pls stop the bleeding.. and I never want to see Grebeshkov again.

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#35 Jeffff
October 30 2013, 11:49AM
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While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher from Alberta who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Kevin Lowe and the Oilers

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Kevin Lowe is a 'Post Turtle'". Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle".

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with".

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#36 mayorblaine
October 30 2013, 11:52AM
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fairly confident i'd rather see them get 15 shots and the win, as opposed to 43 and a take a shelling.

wins are a measure of progress. i'd say they've got some work to do.

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#37 mackb
October 30 2013, 11:52AM
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Grebeshkov and Potter placed on waivers: https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/395585782116659200

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#38 LOIL99
October 30 2013, 11:54AM
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I apologize for the long post but us fans needs to take a step back and look at the big picture in my opinion.

I will start by saying this, all of the anger and hatred and resentment should be point DIRECTLY at management and ownership. They have toyed with our hearts for too many years. And they deserve our rath.

THAT SAID...

It is not our young cores fault that we have been tormented for so long. These kids were in midget, bantam and even peewee when this bad joke started years and years ago. If a person looks at this objectively (difficult I know) you see that we are putting unfair and over the top expectations on our young core, who people forget are all not yet 24 years old, most aren't even 22 (Yak Nuge Hall Shultz Klefbom Nurse)!!

NHL players generally reach their prime at 24-28 years old. Read that again. Our entire core is younger than this yet we are expecting them to compete AND WIN against full grown men. We may not be the youngest team on average, but we have the youngest core players BY FAR.

Where the expectation of playoffs this year came from I will never know (actually I do, it was MacT/Eakins, but it was idiotic of them to promise that). The reality is that this teams core is 2-4 years away from being old enough and experienced enough to make the dance and be a deep playoff contender. When our core reaches 24-28 years old.

Until then lets let them develop, enjoy the immense skill we as Oiler fans have not been able to watch since the 80s (even tho it comes with a lot of mistakes), and support these young kids as they mature and gain NHL experience.

Once you accept that we are still a few years away (reasons given above), you really do start enjoying the little flashes of WOW that these guys are capable of even as young adults and look forward to the future.

Thanks for your time.

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#39 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 11:56AM
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Jeffff wrote:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher from Alberta who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Kevin Lowe and the Oilers

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Kevin Lowe is a 'Post Turtle'". Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle".

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with".

I remember hearing this same joke about George bush years ago. Definetly applies though. Lowe is a perfect example of a post turtle.

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#40 Darren
October 30 2013, 12:01PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

I remember hearing this same joke about George bush years ago. Definetly applies though. Lowe is a perfect example of a post turtle.

I remember it about Obama which is the perfect example of the post turtle.

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#41 Mark B
October 30 2013, 12:09PM
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The good part is that I can turn the TV off and not watch that garbage. But the Coaches the players, the Manager have to sit there and watch it. I hope it hurts like hell, cause your team sucks!!!!

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#42 Taylor Gang
October 30 2013, 12:09PM
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I'm pretty pissed off, but I know that once they win again I won't even be mad anymore. That's where the problem lies. Once they start playing the way they should be playing, they rip my heart out by getting stomped on in the next 5

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#43 Henry
October 30 2013, 12:12PM
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BleedingOil,

That was a fabulous rant. ROCKET SURGERY!

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#44 Clarko
October 30 2013, 12:12PM
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@LOIL99

I think most fans understand that this team is a few seasons away from being a contender, and yes their core is very young.

However, the expectation is that there is progress. After finishing dead last or next to it, we saw modest improvement up to 24th place in the league (nothing great, but at least it was a move in the right direction).

The Oilers are currently 29th in win percentage...only Buffalo is worse. They are next to last in goal differential. 30th in goals against and a rather pedestrian 19th in goals for per game. They are already 8 points out of a playoff spot...and nearly all the teams ahead of them have games in hand.

I think most Oiler fans expected to be 16th-20th this season with some optimism for a playoff spot, but at the very least competing for a spot in March and April. The fact that this team has regressed is what most fans are frustrated about.

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#45 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 12:15PM
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@Darren

Yup. The American government has been run with the same aptitude as the Edmonton oilers. Kind of puts your problems in perspective doesn't it. At least I live in a thriving economy where I can easily provide for my family and only mope and complain about a lousy hockey team.

The Americans have to watch this kind of incompetence lead their country. That's sad at the highest level

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#46 Funky Chicken Shizzle For U
October 30 2013, 12:18PM
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Hey Oilers...I need to talk to you about something. ...I don't make a point of checking the channel listings for your next game anymore...and I've kinda become indifferent to your fortunes on and off the ice. What I'm trying to say is that I've moved on...and that it's not me, its you!

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#47 K_Mart
October 30 2013, 12:20PM
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Strudwick, you said that these are tough lessons that the kids are learning under fire. This is true, and it hurts to watch, but it is a necessary evil I believe.

So long as Gordon, or Ference, or Perron are out there the other forwards are just going to keep ignoring the other 2/3's of the ice and trusting those guys to cover the defensive side of the rink, Eakins needs to show our young stars how important it is to play a 200ft game against the opposition's top lines. If they are always given easy matchups and a defensive blue line or defensive line mate, they will never learn.

We learned a couple important things last night: 1) Our top guys can keep the other teams top guys pinned in their own end for long periods of time. 2) Our top guys have no regard for defense and are trusting that someone on their line will do that job for them. No sir, Eakins will continue to force them to do it on a game by game basis until they get it.

Tough times are ahead right now, but I'm hoping they will be better for it. Hope Hall can become as defensively responsible as Toews one day. They're roughly the same size, Hall has more offensive upside, and has all the physical tools required to be a 200ft player.

Another year of missing the playoffs foresure, but for once our kids are being treated like adults and not babied.

once they learn how to bring structure to every game, then and only then will this team bring playoffs back to Edmonton. Right now that is still a distant thought.

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#48 God
October 30 2013, 12:25PM
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What's the point of watching this anymore?

We're the best fans in hockey while garbage fans like the Canucks and Leafs have winning teams.

Katz, Lowe, MacT: You don't deserve us.

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#49 Serious Gord
October 30 2013, 12:27PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Robin, I've got the smithstonian institution on line one...

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#50 Serious Gord
October 30 2013, 12:36PM
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Out-finished is cover not just for the players, but for the coach, who - as you illustrate in your post Jason - was OUT-COACHED and who seemed paralyzed - unable to change up lines mid-game to correct the failings of the arrangement he started with.

And don't use the "it's a young team" excuse - Eakins instructed us to not do that.

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