Out-finished?

Jason Strudwick
October 30 2013 10:38AM

After the four to nothing loss to the Maple Leafs Tuesday night, Oilers head coach Dallas Eakins said his team was simply "out-finished." There is no doubt that James Reimer played a solid game for the Leafs but I know there was more to this loss then the Oilers being "out-finished".

If Dallas Eakins wants to simply chalk this one up to that reason the Oilers will continue to play a very high-risk style with no guaranteed results going forward. Scary thought. These types of teams are happy to play a track meet type of game with lots of chances both for and against. The Oilers will just have to hope they score more goals then the other team. They will also need to go out and find the greatest goalie of all time because he will be under siege and expected to make huge saves nightly to give his team's chance to out gun the opposition.

This has never and will never be a recipe for success in the NHL. It is a lot of fun to watch for fans, it is exciting hockey but no real long-term success will be the result.

The good news about this comment of being "out-finished" is that it is most likely not what Eakins really thinks about the game. He is trying to protect his club after a very poor start to the season. In my experience most often coaches say one thing to the media and another to their team. I am guessing that Eakins sees a fragile team and realizes there is no need for him to beat them up in the press. I get it and agree with him.

Risky Business

Matching lines is a great way for a coach to tip the balance of a game in his team's favor. It isn't easy to get the match ups you want on the road but at home, with last change, it becomes a whole lot easier.

Again last night Eakins seemed to want to have his first line of Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov out again the top line of the Leafs. Oh boy. He also seems to like having Justin Schultz and Anton Belov on the ice with Gagner’s line. Oh no.

Having the J. Schultz pairing on the ice with your top offensive line makes sense from a pure offensive firepower point of view. When those five get skating and are on the attack their creativity is a lot of fun to watch and can produce goals.

The dark side of that combo is what we saw on the first two goals from last night. On the first goal, Belov pinches down, Yakupov is the high man and should back him up. Yakupov doesn't back him up which results in a two on one for the Leafs two most dangerous players. Goal! Barely a minute into the game.

On the second Leafs goal, the same five Oilers are out there against the top line for the leafs. The Oilers have a good offensive rush going up the ice. Belov stays back because J Schultz jumps in and has a great chance to score but Reimer comes up with a big save.

When a d-man jumps into the play, one of the forward needs to stay back a little to be in a position to defend. No one hangs back. Quickly the two most dangerous Leafs, Kessel and Van Reimsdyk, turn the puck up ice for a full ice two versus one. Goal!

The day may come when these five Oilers can match other teams top line both offensively and defensively, that day is not upon us. One school of thought could be that Eakins is putting these match ups together so that these young players can learn tough lessons now. Maybe Eakins wants them to learn under fire.

I can see the reasoning behind this approach long-term, if the players learn the lessons. In the short term these match ups will make it very hard for the Oilers to win games. To many nights this season opponents’ top lines are having a field days against the Oilers. If the Oilers specialty teams continue to struggle and opponents’ top lines produce points the wins will not come for the Oilers. The second to fourth lines can't score that many.

I would suggest a slight change in approach to Eakins. No more Anyon Belov and Justin Schultz on the ice at the same time as the top line. Yakupov and J. Schultz are two extremely offensive minded skaters. The issue is they create far too many offensive chances for opponents and having them on the ice at the same time doesn't work at this point in their development.

The other way at looking at Eakins choice in line match ups is it could be he is uncomfortable with matching any if his other lines up with opponents top lines. This is the scarier thought for me. If he feels his best option is a young group of forwards then this team needs help.

To me Boyd Gordan is a no-brainer to match against top lines. But who should be his wingers? Who does Eakins trust to get the job done? Who has the skating ability, defensive awareness and physical requirements to challenge a top line?

If you are having a tough time answering that question just think how Eakins feels.

The Leafs have a great line that can do this. David Clarkson, Mason Raymond and Dave Bolland, three veteran players from winning organizations. I am not a huge Raymond fan but he fills his role on that line. A line like this would go a long way to helping the clear match up issues the Oilers are having.

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Jason hosts the Jason Strudwick show from 9pm to 12am, weeknights on the team 1260. He is an instructor at Mount Carmel Hockey Academy and loves working with the kids. Having played over 650 games in the NHL, Jason has some great stories and unique takes on life in the NHL. He loves Slurpees and Blizzards. Dislikes baggy clothes and close talkers.
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#51 Bleak Winter
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Living in the past and never letting go like I'm being told to do would make that 1990 Zenith seem like a pretty sweet prize. Fingers crossed...

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#52 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 11:40AM
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Watching who's line last night to get my mind off the oilers. Turns out The musician ladies that play for them are Linda TAYLOR and Laura HALL. There is no escape!

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#53 outdoorzguy
October 30 2013, 11:47AM
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The Oilers should move to Kansas City. They need a team in that nice new building. Then we can cancel the Edmonton arena deal because we won't have a need for it because we won't have an NHL team. Oh, wait a minute!!

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#54 Clarko
October 30 2013, 12:50PM
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DSF wrote:

Don't want to keep beating a dead horse but the Oilers are NINE points out of a playoff spot since they would have to finish at least 1 point ahead of the last wild card team (they lose all the tie breakers.

As you pointed out, all the teams ahead of them have games in hand with the exception of Winnipeg and some like Calgary (3), Dallas (2) and STL (4) have more than 1.

Now, given that the Oilers don't play again until Saturday, there are a number of games that will have an impact on the Oilers chances.

Tonight - SJS @ LAK, TOR @ CAL, DET @ VCR

Tomorrow - ANA @ BOS, NSH @ PHX

Friday - STL @ FLA, MTL @ MIN, COL @ DAL, DET @ CAL

Saturday - CHI @ WPG, ANA @ BUF, STL @ TBL, TOR @ VCR, MTL @ COL, NSH @ LAK, PHX @ SJS

It's entirely reasonable to expect the Oilers will be 12-13 points out of the playoffs by Sunday morning.

A little early to be looking at tiebreakers. If the Oilers somehow go on a miraculous run and finished tied with a team ahead of them, they might win the tiebreaker. The first tiebreaker is the most regulation/overtime wins. For example L.A has only 4 ROW's out of 8 wins.

Anyways, this is a pointless argument as there are very few of us that believe this team has any shot at a playoff spot.

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#55 Spurzey
October 30 2013, 01:42PM
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1)Forward covering for dman jumping into the play or pinching...pee wee 101 2)Odd man rushes ending in goals against...see above 3)This team does not have the makeup to ever be a contender. Too many kids who think they can do it themselves(and have up until this level) 4)No one can win a puck battle. Can't win a 3 against 1 battle (swarm). 5)Change is good Donkeys

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#56 LOIL99
October 30 2013, 03:49PM
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Thanks @Clarko and @ LoweExpectations for your reply's. Well said.

My main point is our fan base needs to separate our 10 years of anger that we as Oiler fans have with management and ownership from the young product on the ice right now. A product whose core are still teenagers and very young men and who are not quite yet experienced enough to win in the NHL against MEN.

The Hall Nuge Yak Ebs core doesn't deserve the brunt of our frustration and angst because it is not rooted with them, they are new here, but with their bosses

I would hate if we ran these kids out of town because Lowe has been an idiot for the last 10 years, beginning so far back that these kids were only 10-12 years old.

Thanks for your time.

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#57 LotteryPick
October 30 2013, 09:07PM
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Presumably Bucky and Smith have some teaching responsibilities. After all these years are they not able to identify to Eakins which player wants to learn , does not want to learn , and can't learn . And if those two Oiler bus riders were such great coaches why do we never hear that they are sought after to be head coaches?

And what do they do ? I've asked many times , here and on the radio , what are their responsibilities besides cashing cheques . Seriously, what do they do ? Pk ? PP ? What????

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#58 Dallylamma
October 30 2013, 11:26AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I urge you to stay and keep us bookmarked.

Every second Wednesday starting next month we will pick the name of a random poster here and put it in a hat toward a grand prize draw at the end of the season for a brand new 1990 26-inch Zenith television (unopened and still in the original crate in my garage).

Bet you stick around now, eh? Eh?

Man, throw in a VHS copy of some early 90s Oilers highlights and your page clicks will skyrocket!

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#59 Mark-LW
October 30 2013, 11:32AM
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The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-26. The first goal was blown coverage on a pinch. The second goal was a quick turn around after a good scoring chance went off the post and turned into an odd man rush the other way.

Two odd man rushes, two goals. Odd man rushes happen in hockey and not every one ends up a goal.

The third goal was a ridiculous play by Kessel, not much you can do about that shot.

Fourth goal was a horrible, horrible turnover by Petry.

I'm upset as hell with the teams record, but I would be more worried if the Leafs had out shot us 43-26.

Every team makes mistakes in a hockey game, the Leafs seemed to capitalize on every one we made while we couldn't get anything past Reimer.

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#60 mackb
October 30 2013, 11:52AM
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Grebeshkov and Potter placed on waivers: https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/395585782116659200

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#61 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 11:56AM
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Jeffff wrote:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher from Alberta who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Kevin Lowe and the Oilers

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Kevin Lowe is a 'Post Turtle'". Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle".

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with".

I remember hearing this same joke about George bush years ago. Definetly applies though. Lowe is a perfect example of a post turtle.

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#62 Lowe Expectations
October 30 2013, 12:47PM
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LOIL99 wrote:

I apologize for the long post but us fans needs to take a step back and look at the big picture in my opinion.

I will start by saying this, all of the anger and hatred and resentment should be point DIRECTLY at management and ownership. They have toyed with our hearts for too many years. And they deserve our rath.

THAT SAID...

It is not our young cores fault that we have been tormented for so long. These kids were in midget, bantam and even peewee when this bad joke started years and years ago. If a person looks at this objectively (difficult I know) you see that we are putting unfair and over the top expectations on our young core, who people forget are all not yet 24 years old, most aren't even 22 (Yak Nuge Hall Shultz Klefbom Nurse)!!

NHL players generally reach their prime at 24-28 years old. Read that again. Our entire core is younger than this yet we are expecting them to compete AND WIN against full grown men. We may not be the youngest team on average, but we have the youngest core players BY FAR.

Where the expectation of playoffs this year came from I will never know (actually I do, it was MacT/Eakins, but it was idiotic of them to promise that). The reality is that this teams core is 2-4 years away from being old enough and experienced enough to make the dance and be a deep playoff contender. When our core reaches 24-28 years old.

Until then lets let them develop, enjoy the immense skill we as Oiler fans have not been able to watch since the 80s (even tho it comes with a lot of mistakes), and support these young kids as they mature and gain NHL experience.

Once you accept that we are still a few years away (reasons given above), you really do start enjoying the little flashes of WOW that these guys are capable of even as young adults and look forward to the future.

Thanks for your time.

Though I feel you make some valid points, I disagree with the premise that we have to wait until these players are 24-28 years old to have success. If you go back in NHL history, the majority of great players win their first cup at rather young ages. Gretzky & Messier were 23, Orr was 22, Howe was 24, Clarke was 24, Crosby was 21. Toews has 2 Cups at age 25. I realize one or two players don't make a team. But in the case of the players I mentioned, all of them made the players around them better.

As individual talents, the core is as good as anybody. But do these players have the ability to make those around them better. Rebuilds like this can work (Chicago & Los Angeles) but they can also fail (Atlanta/Winnipeg).

In progression, this should be a squeak into the playoffs team right now with a legitimate cup run within 2-3 years. You suggest 5-6 years for that. RNH, Hall & Eberle will be at the tail end of their contracts by then and more than likely dealt away for another rebuild.

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#63 Oiler63
October 30 2013, 01:36PM
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@outdoorzguy

Few years away... hmm, that makes it a decade of sucking!

How many decades do you have as a fan in your life supporting your team?! That's one decade, GONE! LOST! SUFFERING!

Lowe, I hope this doesn't extend to another decade and I want my decade back!!!

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#64 James
October 30 2013, 02:10PM
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@Douglemmer

You mean the kid who is currently sitting at -9? I like RNH as much as the next person, but his defensive game has been seriously lacking so far. He's been on for way too many goals against. Hopefully he picks it up, and soon, along with the rest of the -9 and -10 crowd.

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#65 ubiquitous
October 30 2013, 02:26PM
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madjam wrote:

Grebs and Potter on waivers . What happens if we draft 3rd next year and take current 3rd ranked Nylander , only to have him decide he will not play here .

Wouldn't be the first Nylander to do so.

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#66 Brett YOrk
October 30 2013, 02:38PM
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The NHL is a very competitive league, it is not realistic to be strong at every aspect, but the OIlers so far in comparison to most teams they face are:

Coaching: Weakness (1st year coach, unrealistic/unproven strategies)

Defense: Weakness (forwards not being responsible, existing D group soft/no top end talent denfensively)

Offense: Weakness (no PP game, no team game, all trying to "do it themselves")

Management : Weakness (1st year GM, stubborn, stuck in the past, not with reality management group/ownership from Katz to Lowe right on down the organization.

OVERALL ANLYSIS: FAIL.... this won't be fixed for a long time.....

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#67 Walter Sobchak
October 30 2013, 05:18PM
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Why couldn't this disastrous season happen next year...........The Oilers don't even know how to lose properly!

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#68 saskguy
October 30 2013, 11:00AM
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I have also noted these matchups. essentially making the firepower of your team a checking line. Crazy... A lot of this teams problems are structural IMHO. It would be nice for them to have clutch goaltending as well.

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#69 ReJ
October 30 2013, 11:08AM
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Struds, what are we as fans supposed to do here? For the first time in my life I don't even care if the team wins or loses. It seems like every game has the same endings, we're either scored on early and can never recover or we get the lead and blow it late.

I used to take pride (what else is there to be proud of?) in being one of the the best worst teams in sports, now I can't even do that.

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#70 Doctor Smashy
October 30 2013, 11:11AM
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Doctor Smashy wrote:

Dallas?...come on now...is that you?

Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead

Sorry for being a wise-a$$ but this is about more than wanting them to be gritty. We can all agree we want our young players to be tough and tenacious. The problem is that these two things cannot go together - A. Swarm Defence: Playing a swarm defence means there will always be a man uncovered that you have to hope the guy with the puck isn't good enough to get the puck to quickly. B. Pitting your top line against the other team's top line: This means that the guy being swarmed will ALMOST ALWAYS be good enough to get the puck to the uncovered man quickly.

Unless I don't understand this swarm business (which is possible) I just don't see how this particular combination can ever, ever work.

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#71 mayorblaine
October 30 2013, 11:52AM
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fairly confident i'd rather see them get 15 shots and the win, as opposed to 43 and a take a shelling.

wins are a measure of progress. i'd say they've got some work to do.

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#72 Taylor Gang
October 30 2013, 12:09PM
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I'm pretty pissed off, but I know that once they win again I won't even be mad anymore. That's where the problem lies. Once they start playing the way they should be playing, they rip my heart out by getting stomped on in the next 5

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#73 YFC Prez
October 30 2013, 12:15PM
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@Darren

Yup. The American government has been run with the same aptitude as the Edmonton oilers. Kind of puts your problems in perspective doesn't it. At least I live in a thriving economy where I can easily provide for my family and only mope and complain about a lousy hockey team.

The Americans have to watch this kind of incompetence lead their country. That's sad at the highest level

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#74 LoweBlow
October 30 2013, 02:21PM
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Too much politics in this head office. The Oilers are like the Venezuela of the NHL.

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#75 marla
October 30 2013, 02:41PM
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Does anybody even know what Eakins system is? based on the 14 games played we havent seen much in regards to 2 way hockey, the PP and PK.

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#76 Cody anderson
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Hey Struds, at this point we don't have the guns (Hall) to match power vs power. I agree with you that we brought Gordon in to take on the Horcoff tough minutes role.

I didn't love the lines or how they were used.

Arcobello - Gordon - Eberle - against the other teams best. This is a skilled, 2 way line that can shut down the other team's power line, and still score. Perron - Nuge - Yakupov - This line should score a lot Jones - Gagner - Hemsky - ease Gags back in with soft minutes at 12-15 minutes a night Gazdic - Acton - Eager - limited ice time against soft competition.

When the other team has their best players out why not match with Smid and Petry, or Ference and Petry?

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#77 Jed
October 30 2013, 11:43AM
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Jed wrote:

Why can't Daryl Katz see the elephant in the room.?

Kevin Lowe

http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/elephant.jpg

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#78 james_dean
October 30 2013, 01:02PM
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Louie debrusk vs 4 men and a taxicab=

Win!

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#79 Mark B
October 30 2013, 01:03PM
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@DSF

CONTENDER!!!!! they are the worest team in the NHL and they play like it night after night!!!!

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#80 mr common sense
October 30 2013, 01:23PM
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Steve Ott

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#81 enoughisenough
October 30 2013, 07:16PM
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It's time to stop defending and rationalizing the poor decisions of this management group.

Us Oilers fan are a loyal bunch and have been patient but I think we are coming to realize that it isn't getting any better. With poor management draft picks and coaching changes don't get you far.

Sure you and argue that a trade or two is what's needed to improve this team but if management had done a reasonable job signing NHL calibre players we wouldn't be in a position where we need to trade one of the young stars.

Fire Lowe.

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#82 Oilers Coffey
October 30 2013, 07:17PM
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Struds you bring up a great point on line matching especially at home. It should be so simple, and a must to control the top lines of the other teams. I am still confused in the swarm defense, it is confusing and there is always a man open in a very dangerous area. The slot area is far too often left wide open. The Oilers lose the board battle and boom it's in the back of the net. It's a LOSING combination.

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#83 Atkins
October 30 2013, 07:51PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Eakins has been out coached in every game,not one or two every game.

Last night continuing to play Gagner's line against Kessel's was it for me.Eakins has to go.The line ended up -4 if I can see they were getting smoked from my sofa and DSF can call it before the game.Why couldn't Eakins?

I have yet to notice any in game adjustments by Eakins.He looks like a deer in the headlights on the bench.It is plain to see he is in over his head.

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#84 BLAKPOO
October 31 2013, 01:37AM
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@Lofty

Nailed it.

It's one thing to implement a new system to new players, but to expect your best players to start killing penalties, play heavy minutes, and do it all with new line mates every few games? It's a wonder we have any points at all.

We need some stability. The constant flow of mediocrity from OKC to EDM and injuries to key players isn't helping either.

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#85 RL
October 30 2013, 11:45AM
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I am scared by Eakins comments after that game. I hope it's the case that he didn't want to trash the players, but he seems unphased by the horrible record/no heart of this team. If the new system was such a big undertaking for the team to understand, why was he hired? He talks really well, but hockey is a results driven game. If he wants his players to learn with trial by fire, that means when MacT hired him they wrote off this season. Why are we still trying to develop our players for the long-term? This change in coaching and GM was to create success this season, this season being short term.

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#86 Mark B
October 30 2013, 12:09PM
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The good part is that I can turn the TV off and not watch that garbage. But the Coaches the players, the Manager have to sit there and watch it. I hope it hurts like hell, cause your team sucks!!!!

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#87 Henry
October 30 2013, 12:12PM
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BleedingOil,

That was a fabulous rant. ROCKET SURGERY!

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#88 Serious Gord
October 30 2013, 12:36PM
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Out-finished is cover not just for the players, but for the coach, who - as you illustrate in your post Jason - was OUT-COACHED and who seemed paralyzed - unable to change up lines mid-game to correct the failings of the arrangement he started with.

And don't use the "it's a young team" excuse - Eakins instructed us to not do that.

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#89 Danger Pay
October 30 2013, 12:47PM
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There's a 3 year waiting list for season tickets. Now is the time to get on that list!

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#90 Douglemmer
October 30 2013, 02:06PM
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"Again last night Eakins seemed to want to have his first line of Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov out again the top line of the Leafs"

A little bit off topic, but if the best player (RNH) is not on this line, how can anyone call it the first line?

It always bugged me when Hemsky/Horcoff was the "first line" of the day and the time MacT split them up, Horcoff's line was still first and Hemmer was on 2nd. So, even though Hemmer is more skilled, they still defaulted to the centre.

I know its not important, but still...

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#91 Spydyr
October 30 2013, 02:18PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Now, I think Eakins only has one option for a tough minutes line:

Perron - Gordon - Hemsky

These are the only established veterans on the team with enough skill and experience to play this role consistently.

When the team is healthy you can add:

Hall - RNH - Eberle

as they showed last season they can push the river the right way.

If Eakins wants to win games, he needs to shelter Yakupov, and probably Gagner, amongst his forward group. The thing is, Gagner and Yakupov should absolutely feast on soft minutes so even if the Gordon line saws off against the opposition, the Hall line and the soft minutes line should come out ahead against the rest.

Under that scenario, you could run Schultz Jr, with the Hall line because Hall and RNH generally have the defensive awareness to know when they have to cover (and the coaches should be drilling that into the line).

I just don't get what Eakins is trying to do. He is making me long for Krueger.

"If Eakins wants to win games, he needs to shelter Yakupov, and probably Gagner,"

If you need to shelter a player in his 7th year in the NHL(Gagner) he must be not much of a player.

Bold move MacT trade him as soon as he is healthy for a player with balls.Something this team has very little of.

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#92 Lofty
October 30 2013, 05:33PM
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marla wrote:

Does anybody even know what Eakins system is? based on the 14 games played we havent seen much in regards to 2 way hockey, the PP and PK.

I do know that I hate the D system no matter what name it's given.

1) Why do the Dmen continue to chase players behind the net? As soon as the Oiler Dmen get around the net, the other 4 guys are so mind trucked, they've got no idea who to cover or where to go.

2) Why is it that it seems so difficult for Oil forwards to get past the offensive blue line, and then when it's turned over, the Oil D ushers the opposition past their blue line like the damn secret service? Isn't the idea to keep people out of your zone?

3) Blocking shots is a brave thing to do but I don't think it should be the first option in preventing a scoring chance. Isn't good gap control better? The wingers play so low in their zone that the opposition D are almost always open as an outlet or shot opportunity. As soon as the point gets the puck, the whole "swarm" system turns into a fire drill.

Do elite coaches initiate a perticular system based on a core philosophy or the strengths of the roster they're faced with? I always thought it was best to play man on man when you had fast, shifty skaters? From my eye, the best teams in the league over the last few years, have played a simple zone, trap or man on man system. Do they need to reinvent the wheel to make the playoffs and call the season a success? They sure need to invent something after a 3-9-2 start because the playoffs are not in the picture and it's almost Halloween. Boooo

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#93 Dog Train
October 30 2013, 10:35PM
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Other than Gordon, we don't really have any good fits for a checking line. Having Justin Schultz and Belov out there against the opposition's top line makes no sense to me though. They both like to take chances and if you take chances against the wrong opposition, you will pay often.

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#94 saskguy
October 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Dallas Eakin's Magnificent Forehead wrote:

Everyone in Edmonton is turning into such pouts all of a sudden. The young guns are learning, they're getting better and they're playing harder minutes in more difficult situations. Did we want Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak to be perimeter guys for the rest of their careers? Hell no! We want them to be gritty and tough, situations that Kruger never put them in. Now Eakins is making them change their style of play to be more like Ovi, Crosby, etc and be real threats in the NHL. It's gonna look ugly for a while but Eakins is the first coach in a long time to show any determination not just to make the team better, but to make individual players better. (Look how Kadri has turned out under him). I support Eakins 1000% and although there are trades to be made, they aren't trades that will build a dynasty; Eakin's actions will build a winning franchise.

I agree with you a bit. But like Struds said, its putting all the offence together. I don't mind teaching the Young Guns how to check or defend but you need some reliable defenders out there on that same matchup, to help prevent some of the mistakes.

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#95 Darren
October 30 2013, 12:01PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

I remember hearing this same joke about George bush years ago. Definetly applies though. Lowe is a perfect example of a post turtle.

I remember it about Obama which is the perfect example of the post turtle.

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#96 madjam
October 30 2013, 01:57PM
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Grebs and Potter on waivers . What happens if we draft 3rd next year and take current 3rd ranked Nylander , only to have him decide he will not play here .

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#97 Romanus
October 30 2013, 02:03PM
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madjam wrote:

Grebs and Potter on waivers . What happens if we draft 3rd next year and take current 3rd ranked Nylander , only to have him decide he will not play here .

we can only draft 3rd if a team above us in the standings wins the lottery. (I'm expecting us to be in last or 2nd last - sigh)

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#98 Mark B
October 30 2013, 02:07PM
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Romanus wrote:

we can only draft 3rd if a team above us in the standings wins the lottery. (I'm expecting us to be in last or 2nd last - sigh)

Who are we sucking for this year LOL!!!!

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#99 BleedingOil
October 30 2013, 02:50PM
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What do you think the return would be on RNH, Yak, Hemsky, Schultz and next years first rounder? Seriously. RNH is on pace to break 20 goals this year and is a -9. Yak MIGHT hit 10 goals and is -10. Hemsky looking at 18G and is -9 YTD. Lastly, the offensive phenom (joke) Schultz is on pace for 6G and is -10. A whopping -38 combined YTD. 25 TEAMS in the NHL have allowed 38 goals or less. I know this is not a perfect comparison, but nontheless it is an acceptable one. If they are not helping you, they are hurting you. Part ways now.

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#100 FIREEAKINS
October 30 2013, 06:06PM
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FIRE DALLAS EAKINS. THAT IS ALL.

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