IT'S GETTING LATE EARLY

Lowetide
October 31 2013 05:09PM

 

The Oilers struggles early in the season bring some familiar items from years previous, including the extreme value of high draft picks. With the Oilers currently 28th overall in the NHL standings, a top 3 selection is possible (if things continue). How valuable is a pick that high? Very valuable. How good is this season's crop? Early returns are mixed. 

EARLY TOP 5

The top 5 is an interesting lot, and of course this is so early that we'll expect to see all kinds of movement in and out of the top 10 as the season rolls along. 

  1. C Sam Reinhart 6.01, 185. A two-way center (righthanded) who can deliver offensively (his 15, 9-18-27 with Kootenay is an impressive start, "in the range" with other top end players of recent vintage). He's from a hockey family, you can't find a negative word about the kid. Extremely likely to be drafted by Buffalo unless Tambo wants to help at the lottery. I spoke to Guy Flaming about him yesterday, and he is regarded as an outstanding prospect with impact offensive potential. (Reinhart photo at the top of this article courtesy Lisa McRitchie, all rights reserved)
  2. D Aaron Eklbad 6.04, 217. OHL ProspectsEkblad is a tower of power on the blueline. He's a physical specimen that is incredibly difficult to play against in the corners and in front of the net. Offensively, he's still growing and gaining confidence in his ability to run the transition game, but he's made great strides on the powerplay where he looks more confident distributing the puck and using his shot.
  3. C Willie Nylander 5.10, 163. Elite Prospects: A highly skilled player offensively. Nylander skates very well, has impressive hands and is excellent at handling the puck at high speeds.Hockey sense is very impressive and he likes to shoot the puck a lot, but is also capable of delivering perfect passes. A very agile player that protects the puck well and skates hard in the offensive zone. On the other hand, his defensive game needs some work. Not a selfish player, but at times he tends to hang onto the puck for too long, instead of making the easier play. Has the tools and skills to lead his team in all offensive aspects.
  4. C Leon Draisaitl 6.01, 209. The "German Gretzky"  would be a good fit in Edmonton. Kris BakerDraisaitl plays the game at high pace, using a slick handle and elusiveness to break into the zone. He shows good strength on the puck, and isn't afraid of using his body to make plays at both ends of the ice. Draisaitl's passing skills make him a dangerous threat when chased. If he continues to fire the puck more often, Draisaitl could pile up the points in his draft year and cement his status as a top-five pick
  5. L Sam Bennett 6.00, 178. OHL ProspectsBennett is simply a fantastic all around talent. He's been consistently one of the most dangerous players in the OHL this season (10 goals, 10 assists in 10 games). If there's a job that needs to get done, Bennett is the man to do it. His offensive instincts are terrific and he's great at finding holes in the defense, which will allow him to score his share of goals at the next level. But he's also a terrific playmaker who can assume that bull in a china shop mentality to make plays. His work along the boards and on the forecheck is also excellent. As a penalty killer and defensive player, his game is growing leaps and bounds, which suggests that he profiles as an above average two-way player moving forward. TSN scout Craig Button recently suggested that he could challenge for first overall, a concept that isn't incredibly far fetched.

FUTURE VALUE OF THE PICK

In previous seasons, the Oilers were looking at either moving up (last season) or adding picks (Taylor AND Tyler) but this coming season may be one in which Edmonton's pick is long gone.

Why? If Craig MacTavish is trying to pry an upgrade for the current Oilers then the first round pick is probably going to be asked after by other NHL clubs doing business with the Oil. 

The third overall pick has delivered an outstanding young player in recent seasons:

  • 2008: D Zach Bogosian
  • 2009: C Matt Duchene
  • 2010: D Erik Gudbranson
  • 2011: L Jonathan Huberdeau
  • 2012: C Alex Galchenyuk
  • 2013: L Jonathan Drouin

OVERALL QUALITY OF THE PROSPECTS

Its early, but sources have suggested that the 2014 crop of prospects is not as deep as 2013, especially the top of the chart:

  • Redline Report: "we don't feel the talent at the very top end of this class rivals last year's star studded crop." 

We should keep in mind that the draft year is just coming into view and not in complete focus. There's every chance the top 5 above will change order and others may work their way up to the top. 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It's a delicate balance. Craig MacTavish may have been mulling over trading the first round pick in 2014, but with that pick squarely in the lottery it may be too valuable to trade. That said, can the Oilers afford to put an emphasis on another high draft pick? Is it time to trade this pick BECAUSE it has such great (potential) value?

We'll see. A month from now the Oilers could be out of lottery territory and the point may be moot. Or they could be focused on the draft and next year. The draft pick--and the season--are in the balance.

Early. 

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#51 Tokenhill
October 31 2013, 11:46PM
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http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/31/my-bad-edmonton-oilers-coach-dallas-eakins-admits-a-mistake-tries-to-correct-it/

Oh boy oh boy oh boy.....

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#52 spliff
November 01 2013, 12:10AM
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Tokenhill wrote:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/31/my-bad-edmonton-oilers-coach-dallas-eakins-admits-a-mistake-tries-to-correct-it/

Oh boy oh boy oh boy.....

I just read the Staples article and just shake my head. Amateur city these guys are. I'm in management and before any new initiative or systems change takes place we perform our due diligence, look at potential scenarios and plan accordingly. This is why winning teams win, and why sh*tshows like the Oiler remain stuck in sh*t. With the fanbase at a boiling point, and this being arguably one of the most important years in franchise history, how can these types of amateur mistakes be allowed to happen. This one is on MacT, and my respect for him just slipped....a lot.

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#55 dougtheslug
October 31 2013, 06:47PM
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Five top ten draft picks in the last six years, including three number 1 overall picks, followed by almost unimaginable suckage, should be enough to convince anyone without 6 Stanley Cup rings that this model of building, or re-building, or re-re-building a team DOESN"T WORK!!!

It seems to me that other models (drafting smartly and developing players appropriate to a balanced team), effective pro-scouting and timely trades and signings, and recognizing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, instead of hanging on to marginal players hoping they will get better, would be more prudent.

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#56 Muji
October 31 2013, 07:19PM
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Oh god. The season just started. After a long, long, long summer of anticipation. And we're already in Excited Last Place Hockey (ELPH) mode. No. No. Nooooooooo!

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#57 Rama Lama
October 31 2013, 07:20PM
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I like Nylander he looks the perfect size and skill set for what we need..........now only if the hockey gods cooperate.

I am confident that coaching combined with our excellent management can lead us to another top five draft choice.

GO OIL!

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#58 dougtheslug
October 31 2013, 07:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I like Nylander he looks the perfect size and skill set for what we need..........now only if the hockey gods cooperate.

I am confident that coaching combined with our excellent management can lead us to another top five draft choice.

GO OIL!

Nylander, at 5 '10", would be the perfect fit for this team.And I wouldn't put it past this management team to call him the "Best Player Available" when the inevitable happens.

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#59 Zarny
October 31 2013, 08:18PM
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I wouldn't count on a top 3 pick lol.

The slow start was predictable but they aren't that bad. Cgy, Buf, Fla, Jersey, Dallas, Winnipeg, Columbus, Carolina...it's a long season.

The preference is to trade the 2014 first rounder. Bold moves require currency.

MacT has 1 or 2 of the top 6 F, a couple D prospects and picks to get it done. No one wants to trade their McDavid ticket so 2014 it is.

You make the trade when the right deal is available but right now is unlikely. The upgrades MacT is looking for aren't available 13 games into the season.

Perhaps the trade deadline but it might not be there until the draft ie Jersey snags Schneider.

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#60 Zarny
October 31 2013, 08:30PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If Krueger was still coach, Yakupov would have 7 goals by now. It's Eakins fault for Nails slow start. Eakins obviously has no clue when it comes to dealing with impact/elite players.

I hang Yakupovs slow start squarely at the feet of Dallas Eakins. He's creating problems where they don't exist. The kids have all had difficult moments, why single out just Yak?

Only a fool would trade a first rounder before he knows where that selection will be at. Ride this suckage out and add another player to fill one of many holes that still remain. The competitive Bruins team did just that with Seguin.

Relax.

Ovechkin didn't like it when Oates moved him to the other wing and struggled under a new system. He's doing ok now.

If Krueger was still coach, Yakupov might have 7 goals, but he'd never be a player you could put out during the last 2 minutes of a Stanley Cup final.

As for a clue about dealing with impact/elite players take a look at Kadri. 200 ft player now.

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#61 madjam
October 31 2013, 08:34PM
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Unfortunately their is nothing worth getting excited about next years draft personnel wise . Nothing going to make us better going into next season , and that's a depressing scenario and thought . we either trade our way out of this or spend another 4 years floundering in the basement of league hoping the odd one develops into a usable positive NHL player . Mind you our young ones will then be on their downswings or to expensive to keep . So goes the vicious circle/cycle of Oiler hockey life .

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#62 StHenriOilBomb
October 31 2013, 09:05PM
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So this just in on Twitter:

Ebs tweeted: Giving out the full bar this year. @Hallsy04 and I don't take shortcuts.

...no shortcuts? If you say so...

and then the fake MacT replied with this little gem:

@Ebs_14 @Hallsy04 Enough with the generous giveaways.

Perfect!

oh, and make the trade if it makes the team better for the next few years. Don't wait for perfect, because it may never come.

edit: I'm an idiot.

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#63 OILERSORDEATH
October 31 2013, 11:06PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas is 3 points ahead of the Oilers and have 2 games in hand.

They are also 16th in possession while the Oilers are 28th.

The Stars will be fine.

http://www.extraskater.com/teams/2013/5v5close

Please dude, the Stars suck ass too. What the Hell you watching?

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#64 spliff
October 31 2013, 11:23PM
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Klowe and MacT can rationalize and justify all of the things they've done so far in this 'rebuild", but the bottom-line is they are in last place in the Conference, again. When KLowe hires his buddies, and the team perpetually struggles despite massive financial support and incredible patience and loyalty from the fanbase, what does he expect? MacT said he looks at 14 game sample to make judgements. I'm looking at a 7 year sample, and from that sample I can safely say the KLowe and his sycophantic buddies are unqualified to manage an NHL team, and that they are absolute amateurs who have turned a once respected franchise into a perpetual basement dwelling laughing stock.

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#65 BLAKPOO
November 01 2013, 02:13AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I am the last guy on earth that wants to quote DSF. But.....

results

matter.

Here's the problem, and I know it sucks.

This season should have happened 3 years ago.

Did Lowe and Co. mess up terribly by hiring Tambellini and the Quinn/Renney duo?

Yes. A thousand times, yes.

Did Tambi destroy any chance of success for any coach during his reign by refusing to make the improvements necessary to develop a winning team and culture?

He sure did.

Can this, as well, be pinned on Kevin Lowe?

Yep, sure can.

Does this then automatically make the hiring of MacT, and subsequently, Eakins a bad decision?

Not at all.

We're just back to square one - where we should have been 3 years ago - with a few more guns in our holsters.

Now feel free to blame this completely on Kevin Lowe. If the fans had the power to eject him from his office for wasting 3 years of our lives and hard-earned cash, my Doc Marten would be the first boot print on his a$$.

The fact is we're past it now. We have a better team, a better GM and a better coach. Firing Lowe in no way changes our current circumstances.

They hit the reset button. It has been, and will be, an ugly start. But once this group can start to gel and find some stability, and play responsibly enough that the swarm system becomes effective, this team will be scary good. Don't be so pessimistic.

Once we do become successful, you can fully expect Lowe to be front-and-center, flashing his rings and taking credit for everything.. and by then you won't even care.

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#66 BLAKPOO
November 01 2013, 01:19PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I am as crazily optimistic as the most deluded Oiler fan, but i fail to see what you base your cheery outlook on. We have the same problem in goal we had three years ago - specifically, a streaky #1 goalie who rarely wins games for a porous defence, soft but skilled wingers who lack toughness and the compete level necessary for todays NHL, and the same boys on the bus in charge. What's different? A GM who has never GM'd in the NHL? and who still thinks you improve team toughness by signing a face puncher that can't skate?

Let me ask you, do you expect the Oilers will win against Detroit Saturday? Really? The best we can hope for is another gong show like we saw in LA, getting outshot by a 3-1 margin, playing five on five like we are killing a penalty and hoping whatever goalie is in net will be able to drag us into OT.

Most NHL teams expect to win their hme games. Calgary's loss to the Leafs this week was their first regulation loss at home this year.Oilers have yet to win in regulation this year.

I'm just facing reality. With this management in place this team will never turn it around.

I think they have a great shot at winning on Saturday.

If you think Gazdic was signed under the pretense that the rest of the team could play soft now that there's a goon on the bench, I should probably just stop typing now because I'm wasting my time.

If you also think that firing Lowe, MacT, Howson, Olczyk or anyone else on the management team at this stage of the game gives us a better chance to win games RIGHT NOW, or even 10 games from now, you're crazy.

"soft but skilled wingers who lack toughness and the compete level necessary for todays NHL"..

Your quote.

So you honestly want to tell me that Hall, Ebs, Perron, Yakupov - these guys lack the compete level and toughness required to be in the NHL? Is that why they were first round picks? I suppose we should put them on waivers then? Do you even read what you write?

MacT is aware of what the deficiencies are. He made plays for Bernier, Schneider, Raanta and Coburn. Did he make some rookie GM mistakes? Yep.. cause he's a rookie GM. Every GM is at some point. This doesn't mean he's incompetent, or will not be a successful GM in the future. All sources indicate he's working the phones right now, looking for goaltending and a top d-man. Not exactly the type of asset that other teams are gung-ho to let loose. Him just picking up the phone in the first place is a huge improvement over the other guy.

It's not that I have an overly cheery outlook, I'm just looking at it objectively. According to you, everything sucks and it all needs to change. To me, that's no better a point of view than a Canucks fan would have.

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#67 mlcsellil
October 31 2013, 05:50PM
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It is or should be beyond belief to the fans, that these types of articles need to be written before the season is even a month old. The Oilers, management and ownership need to do something soon to turn this team around. I really think MacT has his hands tied, if we are to believe that he doesn't like a losing culture, doesn't like complacency and is impatient. Somebody must be telling him to let this train wreck run the course. He sure as hell isn't listening to the fans or the media.

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#68 Harlie
October 31 2013, 06:13PM
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Damn, I kept staring at that chick picture waiting for it to turn into some 60's starlet or Scarjo.

Alas, I'll help fill the void

http://nitzyshockeyden.blogspot.ca/2011/07/17-year-old-gretzky-almost-played-in.html

Oops my bad. that was the wrong 60's chick, lemme try that again

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/04/26/learn-how-to-sleep-in-a-toilet-stall-like-a-pro/

Gross, that wasn't it, ok found it.

http://girlmags.blogspot.ca/2011/07/dude-vol-10-no-6-november-1968.html?zx=20020b0409275b26

See..told ya.

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#69 God
October 31 2013, 06:22PM
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It's so depressing to be discussing the draft when we're only 14 games into the season. It's so obvious that the playoffs are a bust that we're talking draft picks.

The life of an Oiler fan: depressing.

Prozac please.

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#70 Oiler63
October 31 2013, 07:18PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Trade it. Trade it now.

I didn't catch the interview on 1260, but I heard that Byflugin(sp?) might be on the block, if that's true MacT better get on that ASAP lol

Totally agree.

If Oilers decide to part with the pick, they should trade as early as possible for a bona fide first paring D man. It's a no loss case for oilers to trade early. If the team continues to suck, they will at least get face value for the pick by acquiring a top 2 D man. If the team turns around later half of the season, the trade could be a major win!!

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#71 Joel k
October 31 2013, 07:41PM
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This is a business you hire friends around you to protect you. Lowe knows at some level he has failed as a President, but he has protection. He became Daryl's best friend. He is protecting his job.

Given his results it is obvious he is a huge failure. However he has been excellent at politics so far. look how many people have been fired around him.

Kevin L job is protecting his job. Nothing else. I can't wait till next year to write the same thing.

To quote Willie Nelson as his Wife walks in on him with another women in bed

"Are you gonna believe what you see? Or what I tell you?"

Daryl believes the latter.

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#72 BLAKPOO
October 31 2013, 07:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Lowe also hired Steve Tambellini who hired Pat Quinn, Tom Renney and Ralph Kreuger.

Now that Lowe has hired MacT (who has no experience), who was fired by Tambellini, who then fired Kreuger and replaced him with an AHL coach who has never won anything and has no NHL experience, we are expected to absolve Lowe of any culpability?

Good grief, he's the PRESIDENT of HOCKEY OPERATIONS.

How is the hockey operating?

Hey man, like I said I'm not a Lowe fan. But seriously... MacT is solid. Eakins was the Godfather a month ago, now people think he sucks because the players aren't adhering to the system and giving the puck away every chance they have. What does this have to do with Lowe?

Tell me, right now, how firing Lowe gets us a win on Saturday? How does firing Lowe stop Yakupov from being a defensive liability? How does it help Dubnyk stop floaters from 50 feet out? How does it make Eager stop playing like a frightened girl? Make Hall's knee heal faster?

If it's March and our record is still as bleak, and Eakins' systems are still ineffectual, then maybe we can talk about management dropping the ball. But as it is now, although there's still miles to go, this team is as set up as it's been in years. It's up to the players now to fulfill their expectations.

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#73 Lloyd B.
October 31 2013, 07:56PM
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First NHL Edmonton Oiler draft pick First Edmonton Oiler goal in NHL 5 Stanley Cups as an Oiler First NHL Edmonton Oiler drafted Player to become GM First NHL Edmonton Oiler drafted Player to become President

Sounds like he should be in the rafters to me. Except... Why isn't Sather there?

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#74 Zarny
October 31 2013, 08:20PM
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Oiler63 wrote:

Totally agree.

If Oilers decide to part with the pick, they should trade as early as possible for a bona fide first paring D man. It's a no loss case for oilers to trade early. If the team continues to suck, they will at least get face value for the pick by acquiring a top 2 D man. If the team turns around later half of the season, the trade could be a major win!!

That trade isn't there right now.

Teams with bona fide first pairing D still think they can make the playoffs.

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#75 Jackson
October 31 2013, 09:48PM
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Shane wrote:

How long can you guys keep talking about the symptoms.

Treat the cause Not the symptom.

Worst record in the NHL in the last 7 yrs . Definitely not treating the cause.

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#76 fed-up
October 31 2013, 11:31PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas Eakins is NOT Randy Carlyle.

You're right, he isn't.

But Eakins developed Kadri. Not Carlyle.

That's why he was brought in. The Leafs owe a lot of their success to Eakins.

Just saying

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#77 madjam
November 01 2013, 06:50AM
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As some of the media has bought forth : Oilers fail to move forward because of the inability/under development of the fab 6 to move forward in their development . As they put it - it doesn't make much difference who they surround them with , as it's up to them to now carry the team to wins , not the other way around now . It's not happening and the blame lies with fab 6 for not taking over . Ruff giving them limited minutes was a good indicator of the stages they were at .

The Fab six is why we are where we are at . This season has seen them in arrested development or stagnant at best -thus team has very few wins . Is the Fab6 good enough or should they all be reassessed in light of results garnered ? They simply don't seem any where near capable of taking team to another level . Will they in the future - not on present course of arrested development .

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#78 Loweblows
November 01 2013, 07:41AM
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Eakins now admits the swarm was a mistake because the team hadnt learned defensive fundamentals(see steve smith). It takes a man to admit their mistakes. As for the people telling Eakins he sucks in front of his 5 year old please stop. Eakins wanted his own people to help with the transition but KLowe had to protect his kingdom and wouldnt allow it. Save your venom for Lowe at the game or on postings like this site. Insulting a man in front of his children is classless.

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#79 Kumon Iwannasing
November 01 2013, 12:43PM
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fed-up wrote:

You're right, he isn't.

But Eakins developed Kadri. Not Carlyle.

That's why he was brought in. The Leafs owe a lot of their success to Eakins.

Just saying

Eakins played a role in Kadri's development. Carlyle took it to a whole new level. Why? Because Randy has a resume Eakins does not. Wanna fix the Oilers. Dump Eberle the party boy.

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#80 Bobby
October 31 2013, 05:51PM
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Aaron Eklbad has been compared to Chris Phillips of the NHL

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#81 StHenriOilBomb
October 31 2013, 06:12PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think that's a great point, but the other part of it is contract. Along with the idea of dealing the pick for a currently useful NHL player is the benefit of not having yet another bonus filled contract (the Oilers have a bunch of them again this year).

The next question: do you spend it now for your need, or wait until the moments on the draft floor just before your turn?

Along with what David S. said, I think MacT has to really define what kind of move he's looking for and jump on it when it comes up. If that's next week, at the deadline, or at the draft, so be it.

Quick - the move has to be made looking at next year, you're right, but it's foolish to tank for all of the reasons David S. suggests.

Look where it's gotten us so far.

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#83 Oilers42
October 31 2013, 07:45PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think they'd have to send some money to Buffalo, so a player would have to head east for that reason alone. I think a first from Edmonton would be hard for Buffalo to turn down, though.

I should mention have no idea if Ehrhoff is worth that btw.

He's not. he's way to old

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#84 KSC10032
October 31 2013, 07:47PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think they'd have to send some money to Buffalo, so a player would have to head east for that reason alone. I think a first from Edmonton would be hard for Buffalo to turn down, though.

I should mention have no idea if Ehrhoff is worth that btw.

Given his contract length and age, he's not even close to being worth a 1st rounder that is certain to be no worse than #10 overall, and probably closer to top 5.

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#85 a lg dubl dubl
October 31 2013, 08:01PM
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Lloyd B. wrote:

First NHL Edmonton Oiler draft pick First Edmonton Oiler goal in NHL 5 Stanley Cups as an Oiler First NHL Edmonton Oiler drafted Player to become GM First NHL Edmonton Oiler drafted Player to become President

Sounds like he should be in the rafters to me. Except... Why isn't Sather there?

He should be, but I think its because hes still workin for the Rangers, I could be wrong though

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#86 tapper
October 31 2013, 08:20PM
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Assuming you can get 100 cents to the dollar, now is exactly when you look at trading the pick. Buy low, sell high and all that.

Worst case, you get 3rd overall pick value in return, and the trade is a wash.

Best case, the team's results catch up to the fancy stats (helped by the return here) and you're sitting with 3rd overall value while only giving up a mid-round (?) pick.

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#88 Zarny
October 31 2013, 09:10PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I bet the McDavid ticket is fools gold. Betman will want to bring in Seattle McDavid's year to help them out and get fans into it with a superstar. Expansion teams get the first overall.

No I don't think expansion teams are guaranteed the 1st overall pick. Columbus, Minnesota, Nashville didn't. I believe they just get more balls in the lottery.

I also don't think the NHL will expand less than 2 years from now.

Still, if that was the case you could just trade that pick too.

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#89 kale
October 31 2013, 09:22PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Trade it. Trade it now.

I didn't catch the interview on 1260, but I heard that Byflugin(sp?) might be on the block, if that's true MacT better get on that ASAP lol

Naw, he is not fit or trim enough to play for the Oilers

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#90 Shane
October 31 2013, 09:32PM
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How long can you guys keep talking about the symptoms.

Treat the cause Not the symptom.

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#91 Zarny
October 31 2013, 09:43PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas Eakins is NOT Randy Carlyle.

Eakins did the heavy lifting with the Marlies but Carlyle certainly isn't hurting his game.

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#92 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
November 01 2013, 12:13AM
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@Tokenhill

Eakins: "I assumed that we knew what a traditional D-zone coverage was and it was clear that we didn't"

Did Dallas kinda just trash Smith/Bucky/Krueger/Renney?

I honestly think that presser was great: he absorbed blame, emphasized that his system has/will be tweaked, and emphasized that players will learn to make defence a priority so they can continue to showcase skill.

I know it's all talk at this point, but I'm willing to give it a bit of time to see if what he's saying will come true. If he can make Hemsky/Hall/Eberle/Yak 200 ft players, then maybe as fans we won't have to cling to excitement about top 5 draft projections every year...

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#93 dougtheslug
November 01 2013, 07:49AM
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BLAKPOO wrote:

Here's the problem, and I know it sucks.

This season should have happened 3 years ago.

Did Lowe and Co. mess up terribly by hiring Tambellini and the Quinn/Renney duo?

Yes. A thousand times, yes.

Did Tambi destroy any chance of success for any coach during his reign by refusing to make the improvements necessary to develop a winning team and culture?

He sure did.

Can this, as well, be pinned on Kevin Lowe?

Yep, sure can.

Does this then automatically make the hiring of MacT, and subsequently, Eakins a bad decision?

Not at all.

We're just back to square one - where we should have been 3 years ago - with a few more guns in our holsters.

Now feel free to blame this completely on Kevin Lowe. If the fans had the power to eject him from his office for wasting 3 years of our lives and hard-earned cash, my Doc Marten would be the first boot print on his a$$.

The fact is we're past it now. We have a better team, a better GM and a better coach. Firing Lowe in no way changes our current circumstances.

They hit the reset button. It has been, and will be, an ugly start. But once this group can start to gel and find some stability, and play responsibly enough that the swarm system becomes effective, this team will be scary good. Don't be so pessimistic.

Once we do become successful, you can fully expect Lowe to be front-and-center, flashing his rings and taking credit for everything.. and by then you won't even care.

I am as crazily optimistic as the most deluded Oiler fan, but i fail to see what you base your cheery outlook on. We have the same problem in goal we had three years ago - specifically, a streaky #1 goalie who rarely wins games for a porous defence, soft but skilled wingers who lack toughness and the compete level necessary for todays NHL, and the same boys on the bus in charge. What's different? A GM who has never GM'd in the NHL? and who still thinks you improve team toughness by signing a face puncher that can't skate?

Let me ask you, do you expect the Oilers will win against Detroit Saturday? Really? The best we can hope for is another gong show like we saw in LA, getting outshot by a 3-1 margin, playing five on five like we are killing a penalty and hoping whatever goalie is in net will be able to drag us into OT.

Most NHL teams expect to win their hme games. Calgary's loss to the Leafs this week was their first regulation loss at home this year.Oilers have yet to win in regulation this year.

I'm just facing reality. With this management in place this team will never turn it around.

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#94 SeahorseToucher
November 01 2013, 12:01PM
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kale wrote:

Naw, he is not fit or trim enough to play for the Oilers

But can you imagine how awesome a fit and trim Byfuglien would be...

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#95 SeahorseToucher
November 01 2013, 12:01PM
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kale wrote:

Naw, he is not fit or trim enough to play for the Oilers

But can you imagine how awesome a fit and trim Byfuglien would be...

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#96 Shooter
November 01 2013, 08:24PM
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Shane wrote:

How long can you guys keep talking about the symptoms.

Treat the cause Not the symptom.

This team has cancer and the cause started with a tumor named Lowe. Remove the tumor and start the chemo.

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#97 wiseguy
October 31 2013, 06:25PM
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Are we talking about top draft picks? Well then....

HERE COME THE OILERS!!!!

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#98 Dangilitis
October 31 2013, 06:37PM
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LT, I thought you promised yourself you wouldn't be talking about the draft by January this season. Now you're talking about it in November! We are regressing...

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#99 Harlie
October 31 2013, 08:34PM
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@DSF

Normally not down with the good grief thing but 'It's The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown' is apropos right now, so I say cheers to you good man.

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#100 106 and 106
November 01 2013, 05:02AM
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Is this a record for talking next year's draft?

*cries into sleeve*

it wasn't supposed to be like this.

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