SURE IT'S EARLY, BUT . . .

Robin Brownlee
October 05 2013 11:55PM

History tells us two games does not a season make, so those writing off the Edmonton Oilers after Saturday's 6-2 loss to the Vancouver Canucks are jumping the gun, even if that's understandable with patience waning after seven years out of the playoffs.

So, no, the fate of the Oilers isn't cast in stone after a 5-4 defeat against the Winnipeg Jets on opening night and the loss to the Canucks. That said, I'm more alarmed at how the Oilers lost in Vancouver rather than that they lost.

While the absence of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Sam Gagner leaves the Oilers with a gaping hole down the middle, one that Taylor Hall has struggled mightily to fill so far, that doesn't explain why the Oilers were outworked, outhustled and outclassed so badly by the Canucks.

Since the moment new head coach Dallas Eakins arrived, his mantra has been about competing, about accountability and about new beginnings – he's gone as far as to remodel the dressing room to emphasize the importance of looking ahead rather than back, of this team molding its own identity.

How much of that – the willingness to compete and outwork an opponent – did we see against the Canucks? Not nearly enough. Not even close. That, two games into the tenure of Eakins, is a problem.

SAME OLD, SAME OLD

I get it that facing the Canucks without Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner left the Oilers outmanned. I get it that it's going to take time for new linemates and defensive pairings to get used to each other. It's going to take time for the team, as a whole, to get a grasp of new systems and settle in together.

What I don't is the almost-total lack of "compete" the Oilers showed at every turn against the Canucks in a game in which they were outshot 44-23 and weren't close to contesting enough loose pucks and open ice. There is nothing to mitigate the lack of gumption and gusto we saw.

What we got instead are some all-too-familiar post-game regrets. Tell me is any of the following sounds familiar. If you heard the same lament under Ralph Krueger or Tom Renney or Pat Quinn or . . .

"If you're not going to compete like every shift is your last, you're not going to win. That was very evident tonight," Eakins said, via the Oilers Twitter feed after the game.

"We can't play like that," said defensemen Ladislav Smid. "We have to draw the line. If we want to make the playoffs, we have to wake up and win some games."

"We got out-played right from the start of the game," said Hall, who was minus-4. "There are a lot of things we need to improve on from that effort." Added Hall: "We have to wake up tomorrow positive and regroup. All it takes is one shift, one period next game to get back on track."

RESULTS, PLEASE

"We lost a lot of battles tonight," said Hall, who could well end up back on left wing against New Jersey when Nugent-Hopkins returns to the line-up. "That's nothing to do with systems."

I applaud Eakins for much of what he's said and how he's approached this season. He's stripped away the handy excuse of the Oilers being a young team. He is insisting on results. He expects his players, be they raw rookies or budding stars, to give him everything they've got. To compete.

After a good measure of all the above in the game against the Jets, a loss that sits squarely on the shoulders of goaltender Devan Dubnyk, we saw precious little of it against the Canucks. Systems take time. Chemistry takes time. Effort and willingness to battle should not. You either have it or you don't.

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#51 Serious Gord
October 06 2013, 08:02AM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

When the first doughnut gets tossed onto the ice in coming days, I hope you have an alibi.

Defending someone's failure - as many posters on this site chronically do -makes you an enabler.

Cubs fans are enablers; Yankee and Red Sox fans are not and have years of winning records as a reward.

Are oilers fans in the cubs mould or the Yankees? I think by and large they are the former, but they may be reaching a breaking point (god I hope so...)

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#52 Walter Sobchak
October 06 2013, 09:53AM
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I'm not pinning this loss solely on Dubnyk, he was bad, but in the first he was the only thing standing in the way of it being 6-1.

Can you imagine if Bryz would have been it net? Brother.

Coming out ill prepared, not motivated, poor line combinations again, no real game plan is on the coaching staff! Period.

The Oilers were spanked by a good team but not a great team, I said it before, if they play like this against Chicago or S.Louis a real ass kicking you will see.

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#53 Rama Lama
October 06 2013, 11:39AM
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What is truly confounding to me is given our lack of good centres, why did we not sign a guy like Mason Raymond?

We signed a lot of players but no one who could actually play centre ( Boyd Gordon does not count as a top two centre) and then took our most skilled player and put him into an un-natural position and expected what?

Thank God RNH is coming back.

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#54 Tom
October 06 2013, 11:42AM
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Maybe Neilson and Fraser should add 'sad Dubie' to their morning daily schtick and give 'sad' Daryl Sutter a break.

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#55 Greg the Hammer Valentine
October 06 2013, 10:45AM
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The obstination of MacT to replace RNH and Gagner from within is costing the Oilers prcious points in the standings. It's not too late tough. However, it doesn't matter who plays center if we don't get good goaltending. Is Craig Anderson a UFA after this season?

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#56 Harlie
October 06 2013, 11:09AM
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Tar and feather me if you will...but the first one I move of the new kids is J Shultz.

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#57 Oiler Al
October 06 2013, 01:48PM
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Team was supposed to be built on speed, with quick breakout plays from the back end, with fast moving forwards up front.

Problem: No quick breakout plays from the back end. Game plan is dead in the water on the first turn. Plus everyone is swarming, and forgetting to play the game.

The same quy that was running the backend last year is still on the bench...{SMITH}.

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#58 Zarny
October 06 2013, 07:14PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I haven't read one post that says remove the coach!!

If your team is out shot 28-5 in the first period!! It's coaching! This is the same team that beat Vancouver 3 times last year.

The team came out unprepared, unmotivated and undisciplined.....while some of that falls on the players it's the coaches responsibility to not let that happen.

LOL...really?

The coach shoots the puck?

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#59 Fatbob24
October 06 2013, 09:20PM
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@Andy

I.M.O Hall looked inept because he wanted to, he wasn't interested in playing center & his answers during interviews gave Me that impression. Just my opinion.

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#60 Reinman
October 06 2013, 08:10AM
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I see JJ got injured.

Does Omark get another shot now? They need a decent scoring winger.

Perron-Arcobello-Ebs Hall-RNH-Hemsky Omark-Gordon-Yak Smyth-Acton-Brown

Although, I guess Hamilton will be inserted. I wonder if he will perform any better then Omark has.

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#61 Ricardodw
October 06 2013, 08:31AM
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Hammers wrote:

Robin i agree with most of what you say but maybe the problem is we over value the players we have , the coaches & management. Is Eakins swarm system working ? Don't see it . Did McT bring in the right players ? Some for sure . Gordon , Perron & Ference . Did he clean house ? Resounding YES . The old saying of looking at your players and deciding the best way to use them is true in any era But use them to there best attributes . Can you get over loosing 2 games . Hell Yea . I figured if lucky we would have 10 points from our first 12-14 games . That is still possible but they need 2 wins before going on the road .

I did not see the game but see that Joensuu only had 6:33 in ice time.

He was by far the best Oiler forward (and best new addition including Perron, Ference and Gordon) in the loss to the Jets.

Did he get hurt?

If he is hurt that should be headline news.

The Oilers need 4 more Forwards like Joensuu to play with Eberle and Hall and RNH.

Perron tries hard but when he was manhandled by Byfuglen that basically ended his game. In St.L he would have have 4-5 guys standing up for him... in Edmonton he basically is on his own.

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#62 madjam
October 06 2013, 11:19AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

So I guess we need another new coach? Give your head a shake. The team has had 5 coaches in 6 years and the results are the same. Clearly coaching is not the issue. A statement needs to be made to these kids. One of them has to go. No one is safe when you consistently mail in your efforts and refuse to play the coaches system.

Time to be bold!

The team we got and coaches direction are in conflict . You can't continually bench or not play them and have AHL talent comeup and tryand fill their positions . we know all to well how that turns out over last 7 years . Not easy to get in mass , players to play assertively and aggressively when their nature is more a skilled game . That's the nature of our clubs main components in mass . Get hurt once and they revert back to old ways . I've coached and trying to get someone to play physical in all areas of game does not work in mass unless you have a big squad . It will never be our fortay with present squad . Coach should recognize this and adjust . As an example -use Hemsky who can play in physical game , but is not assertive anywhere but offensive zone . Our young skilled players are much the same . Like Hemsky they will be injury prone as well trying to play that system for any length of time consistently . Wish it were different , but we have yet to see it and injuries starting to mount/rear it's ugly head again .

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#63 Benhur
October 06 2013, 12:14PM
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Same Old, Same Old...yes that sounds right, exactly my thoughts while watching the game. Last year I started tracking Own Zone Turnovers (OZTs)which is a loss of possession in your own defensive end when the defensive team has possession. It did look like "Old Times" as you and the other commentors stated. Here are the stats for your interest! -Oilers OZTs 41, SAAs due to OZTs 19, GA due to OZTs 3. -Canucks OZTs 13, SAAs due to turnovers 5, GA due to OZTs 0. The Oilers gave up 3 times as many OZTs and 3 goals due to them! Yep, Same Old, Same Old. Whos were the bad actors: -5 OZTs - #2, 19, 21 -4 OZTs - #4 -3 OZTs - 15, 57, 83. Of the defenseman Belov was the only one without a OZT. One area of improvement I've seen from last year is 0 OZTs by Dubnyk in the first two (1 1/2 ) games. Last year he was bad.

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#64 Zarny
October 06 2013, 07:29PM
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So exactly what's the surprise?

This team finished 12th last year and off-season improvements were marginal. Still no size in their top 6 F, no legit shutdown Dman and the 3rd and 4th line still lack talent and depth.

With everyone healthy the Oilers are still only battling for 7th or 8th. With their top 2 C out they are just a bad team.

They'll be better than their first 2 games but Vancouver showed the Oilers are not even close to being one of the top teams.

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#65 719
October 06 2013, 01:26AM
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Nail hit on head!

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#66 Patrick Miranda
October 06 2013, 03:49PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

~ Hall should have no problem clearing waivers. ~

Now back to reality.

Mark Lee, in his sole contribution from last night, indicated JJ was nursing a sore back. Despite all the flu talk, JJ was the reason Hamilton was called up. Tough break.

The Oilers were terrible last night, no question. Frankly, two very key players Hall and Dubnyk appear to be in another time zone and I think I read somewhere that they are missing their top two centres.

Things suck but let's wait more than 2 days before we demote Hall, trade Yak and Eberle, fire the coach and fly in an ECHL goalie from Vegas (in his own space ship, no less). The lack of compete from some guys is concerning no doubt. Lets hope Perron's feistiness, Yak's two shifts where he played pissed off and the fact that Boyd Gordon is on pace for an 82 goal season, give the Oilers something to build on.

Called a "conditioning stint" ... No waivers necessary.

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#67 Smokey
October 06 2013, 03:58PM
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Too many coaches, systems and expectations. This team has spent the last 4 years rebuilding everything but confidence. Why is that? I kept my expectations low, but why does this team self implode. Is it the city, the fans, the mix of players, or the clusterfudge of organization, or all of the above. Frankly donn't think the world is falling apart.

Three changes for next game. Ryan Smyth on the fourth line, put your first line together with Hall where he should be, and sit Belov a game for all the bonehead penalties.

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#68 Joy S. Lee
October 07 2013, 08:57AM
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hockeycrazed wrote:

Come on now, don't panic, all we need is going back to basics; Apply the 'KISS' principle: Everybody finishing checks, simple passes out of their own zone, none of those small nifty passes, can't fool any team any more with it, all they got to do is looking at tapes and realize that that's Oil's only trick to start their attacks, and pounce on them. Get a legitimate goalie doesn't hurt, of course! It's not easy, but necessary!!!

Small, nifty passes are generally something you see from really, really good teams. Small, nifty passes create open ice, so that the last small, nifty pass breaks someone for a scoring chance. From what I've seen, we've got a love affair going with the long bomb, but could actually use a small, nifty pass or two. The key is to make that small, nifty pass to a teammate who is 'open,' with a little more time and space than the current puck carrier, and so on, and so on, and so on. It's teamwork, and it's letting the puck do the work. The Sedin's gave us a little lesson on this the other night. You ever notice that most of their passes are no more than about 15'? But they make a lot of them.

Small, nifty passes are the basis of KISS, in fact.

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#69 Rob...
October 07 2013, 09:04AM
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@Fatbob24

I think you're giving Hall both too much and not enough credit at the same time.

He's a talented natural winger who is growing as a player but doesn't have a heck of a lot of the type of spontaneity required by an offensive center to be successful.

Hall's compete level wouldn't allow him to screw up on purpose, but he also can't will himself into being a successful number one center.

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#70 nick
October 11 2013, 12:48AM
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Dallas Eakins is a joke. Bad hire by a bad organization. All the yung kids make mistakes and turnovers and they get rewarded with 26 minutes of ice time. Justin Schultz has no idea what his position is and he gets rewarded with 25 minutes of ice time. Eberle has no idea how to compete, this guy has never shown up in a tough game. When the Oilers were in 8th spot last year for a few days Eberle chose to sign out after that, was a none factor. Keep rewarding poor play Eakins, you're a joke

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#71 nick
October 11 2013, 09:53AM
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@Dave

Ha Ha You are so correct. Gregor is just like Eakins, one thinks he is Mike Babcock and one thinks he is Bryan Hall. Only problem is boys, those guys earned that position in life the other two are demanding pretending the earned it. Neither of them are in the same league.

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#72 Reagan
October 06 2013, 08:22AM
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Pinned the trail on the donkey!

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#73 Johe
October 06 2013, 11:07AM
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^ CAN'T just be attributed. Sorry

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#74 Joy S. Lee
October 07 2013, 09:08AM
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Benhur wrote:

Same Old, Same Old...yes that sounds right, exactly my thoughts while watching the game. Last year I started tracking Own Zone Turnovers (OZTs)which is a loss of possession in your own defensive end when the defensive team has possession. It did look like "Old Times" as you and the other commentors stated. Here are the stats for your interest! -Oilers OZTs 41, SAAs due to OZTs 19, GA due to OZTs 3. -Canucks OZTs 13, SAAs due to turnovers 5, GA due to OZTs 0. The Oilers gave up 3 times as many OZTs and 3 goals due to them! Yep, Same Old, Same Old. Whos were the bad actors: -5 OZTs - #2, 19, 21 -4 OZTs - #4 -3 OZTs - 15, 57, 83. Of the defenseman Belov was the only one without a OZT. One area of improvement I've seen from last year is 0 OZTs by Dubnyk in the first two (1 1/2 ) games. Last year he was bad.

I find this OZT stat quite interesting...and revealing. Sums it up nicely, I think, and all you have to do is do the comparison (which you've just done), and the base cause of the meltdown is pretty clear. Own-Zone-Turnovers. 41 to 13! 41?? That's 14 per period! That's almost an Own-Zone-Turnover per minute, per period!! Yeesh, no wonder we're losing....

....and here's the thing, when you're coughing the puck up like that, in your own zone, it's utter chaos. As a goalie, you have no idea where the next shot is coming from, because that's highly dependent on where and to whom you turn the puck over to. It's a really fast game. I guess Dubnyk needs to raise his concentration to a Jonathan Quick-like level, ALWAYS being ready, because that's the only way he'll survive this, if as a team, they keep turning the puck over like that in their own zone.

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#75 Joy S. Lee
October 07 2013, 09:13AM
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Johe wrote:

We'll have to see how the season goes, but he definitely has a lot of things to improve. Way too soft in his own end. If Nurse, Marincin, and most importantly Klefbom make progress this year, and Schultz wants too much money, you absolutely have to look at moving him. Only problem is, who replaces him on the powerplay? Still, things could change and he could make some big strides this season. Too early to jump to any conclusions.

Hate to say it, but that kind of move may make the most sense. If things continue to unravel (and in no way am I condoning a move this early in the year), the talented youngster may be the best bet for a high-level return, and a chance to fill out the roster where it's most needed.

Not sure I'm 100% in on the move, but I'm curious about the implications, at this point. Seems they may need to explore their options, if the current results continue.

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#76 David S
October 07 2013, 11:48AM
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MOAR SMALL NIFTY PASSES!!!! GAHHHHhhhhh...

*Lights smoke*

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