TUESDAY TIDBITS...

Jason Gregor
October 08 2013 12:09PM

We start a new weekly item today called, Tuesday Tidbits. After last night's stunning come-from-behind Oiler victory, our timing couldn't be better.

After two periods of the Oilers/Devils game Oilersnation was on the verge of a mental breakdown. The season was going to be over. The Oilers were destined for another top-ten pick, and I even received my first outlandish trade request of the season.

I was asked about a Nail Yakupov for Ryan Miller trade. Trading a 19-year-old first overall pick for a soon-to-be UFA, 33 year-old goalie, is the definition of panic. Or delusion. Calm down, three games does not make a season, but I don't believe you can downplay last night's third period.

Through 40 minutes the Oilers looked disinterested, excluding one excellent rush by Ales Hemsky, that actually started with a lucky bounce after a bad clearing pass.

It took the Oilers almost ten and a half minutes to register a shot on goal, and after 40 minutes they had more turnovers than shots on goal, eleven.

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Oilerville 20 this night...

But then they got a break.

Bryce Salvador shot the puck over the glass at 5:19 of the third frame, and that minor miscue injected some much needed energy into a listless Oilers squad.

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored 24 seconds later on powerplay and suddenly the Oilers had a pulse.
     
  • Three minutes and 45 seconds later Andrew Ference scored on a shot from the point, and Rexall Place erupted. Prior to that the biggest applause was for Joey Moss' 50th birthday celebration.
     
  • Two minutes and 19 seconds later David Perron ripped one over Brodeur's shoulder and the game was tied. Prior to that shot, Perron, like most of his teammates, was fighting the puck, but once he scored you could literally see his body replenishing with confidence.
     
  • One minute and 43 seconds later Taylor Hall found himself all alone in front of Martin Brodeur, after a nifty tap/push pass from Ales Hemsky. Hall made a quick move to avoid the pokecheck and slid it home for a 4-3 lead. Prior to that goal, Hall had been visibly frustrated. He couldn't make a pass, and he'd been fighting the puck during the previous 153 minutes of play. His goal celebration and reaction seemed like more relieve than joy, but like Perron, suddenly Hall had confidence with the puck.
     
  • To add to the drama the Devils got a lucky goal in the final minute to send the game to overtime, before Jordan Eberle and Perron displayed their version of shootout "Horse." Eberle went first, had a few quick stick handles/dangles, before roofing a backhander upstairs. Perron mirrored Eberle's attempt, and then Jason LaBarbera stopped Ryan Clowe for the victory.
     
  • The Oilers clearly needed the win, but I think the psyche of the fanbase might have needed it more.

By the sounds of it, some of you turned the game off after 40 minutes and missed the epic comeback, but for those who stuck through the painfully agonizing first two periods, for once you were rewarded for your undying loyalty.

OTHER TIDBITS

  • It was a great comeback, but it doesn't overshadow the fact the Oilers are still turning the puck over far too frequently, and most of the turnovers are coming from their skilled forwards. Dallas Eakins will have lots of examples to show during their video session. If the turnovers don't stop, I'm curious to see when or who he will use to make an example of. It is a bad habit that needs to stop, if the Oilers are serious about becoming a contender in the next few seasons.
     
  • Ryan Hamilton didn't come out for the third period, and for the final 22 minutes (17 regulation and 5 in OT) Eakins only used eight forwards.

    Nugent-Hopkins played a career-high 28:12. Does anyone still think they rushed him back?
    Hall played 25:44.
    Perron played 25:15
    Eberle played 22:34

    Eakins isn't afraid to use his skilled guys. I don't believe he can use them that often all season, but they are young and in certain situations it makes sense.
     
  • Anton Belov was bumped ahead of Ladislav Smid. Belov played with Petry and logged 21:33 of icetime. He looks more comfortable every game.
     
  • Currently the Oilers have four of the top-14 forwards in TOI. Nugent-Hopkins is first, albeit in one game, while Hall is 2nd at 23:05, Perron is 11th at 21:39 and Eberle is 14th at 21:23.
     
  • Last season, Carolina, Minnesota, Tampa Bay and the Rangers each had two forwards in the top-14 of TOI for forwards. I suspect you'll see Nugent-Hopkins and Hall up there this year.
     
  • So far Boyd Gordon has more shots, 8, than Yakupov, 6. That is great for Gordon, but Yakupov needs to use his potent shot more.
     
  • 15 Oilers have points in the first three games. Only Yakupov, Belov, Nick Schultz, Mike Brown and Ryan Hamilton haven't registered a point. That is very balanced scoring.
     
  • Marc Arcobello is 3rd on the Oilers in hits with eight. He isn't running over guys, but Arcobello has shown a willingness to finish his checks and get in the way. He's done a lot of the small things well thus far.
     
  • The Oilers have given up 15 goals in three games. That is horrendous. Neither goalie has been stellar, but they aren't the only ones to blame. While the 3rd period was a treat to watch, the Oilers have to clean up their defensive zone before making stops in Toronto, Washington, Pittsburgh, New York (NYI), Ottawa and Montreal.
     
  • Twelve of their next 16 games are on the road, which makes Thursday's home game against the Habs a really-really-need-to-win game.
     
  • It is early, but once again the Oilers are near the top in minor penalties. The Oilers have been shorthanded 13 times thus far. In the last three years, the Oilers were shorthanded the 5th, 5th and 3rd most times. They need to cut down on their penalties. It is a disturbing trend.
     
  • Most teams have only played two or three game, yet we only have six undefeated teams remaining. Toronto is the only 3-0 team, while Pittsburgh, Boston, Colorado, St.Louis and San Jose are 2-0. I'll pick the Penguins to have the longest undefeated streak, not including SO losses.
     
  • Tough break for Fantasy Football owners of Julio Jones. He is done for the season. Ouch.
     
  • I have no issue with the new Hockey Canada Jerseys. I think the white ones will look sharp.
     

  • Eskimos head coach Kavis Reed won't be back after the season, and I doubt many of the position coaches will be either. Rumours came out of Winnipeg last week that Stampeders D coordinator, Rick Campbell, is a leading candidate to replace Reed. That won't happen. Campbell is a good coach, much better than some think, but Ed Hervey will hire someone with no previous connection to the Eskimos. He doesn't seem like a revisionist history type of guy.

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#51 Todd
October 08 2013, 04:49PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I love(d) the Oilers. Now i'm on Prozac. May soon love again if that little poodle Harry will let me.

Are you trying to be funny?? FYI - Its not even remotely working...

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#52 Oiler Al
October 08 2013, 04:55PM
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Third period, just what the doctor order.. a booster shot!. Lets hope it carrys over to the Montreal game on Thursday.

Intresting to watch guys like Perron and Gordon, who come from well coached teams, where they play 200 ft of ice., play with urgency is best to describe it, and look after the details.

Hopefully the top six have turned it around, but certainly the backend and goal tending , although , early is still very much in question.

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#53 ed in edmonton
October 08 2013, 04:58PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I disagree.

MacT has done some things to improve the team - Perron, Gordon and (perhaps) belov are positive acquisitions.

But he has done a lot of damage in two ways:

roster changes - adding grebeshkov for example,

and not making changes - leaving dubnyk as #1 signing gagner; keeping hemsky instead of trading/buying him out; no significant 1/2 line fierceness added etc.

so on the whole MacT has not done "nothing"

he has in toto - done DAMAGE both in the near term and in the long term.

I certainly don't agree with your conclusion but your bring up some interesting points.

As previously stated, what has Grebs done to harm the team from the IR? He might eat up cap space if he can't play well enough to break into the rotation. If this comes to pass how MacT handles that might be a better meter stick to judge him by.

MacT has been quite frank about where the team needs to improve. He hasn't sugar coated his opinion of DD and he made a significant pitch for Schneider. Apparently Gillis wanted the world for Schneider and any potential deal fell through. Doesn`t mean MacT still isn`t looking to improve, but deals during the season are rare.

Size and grit up front was sought by giving Clarkson an offer with more $ than the buds but he chose the buds (IMO long term this will not be a bad thing for the Oil).

I`m not a great Gagner fan, but the Oil and terribly thin at center with him, if they chose not to sign, that`s a huge risk and Arcabello and Acton might not just be short term injury replacements. Ganger does not have a NT so there is still hope he will be dealt for a player that brings some of the things the Oil lack.

MacT hasn`t addressed all the teams needs, but he seems realistic in his assessment of what they need. Ticking off the entire shopping list in one off season might not be a realistic expectation.

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#54 madjam
October 08 2013, 05:01PM
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Hemsky playing hard for UFA contract for next season .Horcoff had 2 seasons to go , thus they dumped him . I doubt Hemsky will bypass Free agency , probably last year playing here. Trade bait , or lose for nothing ?

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#55 Serious Gord
October 08 2013, 05:11PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Buy out Hemsky?

Are you serious?

He's been very good, but you think it would have been better to trade him for nothing of value, or buy him out just to save money?

You think signing Grebeshkov has really hurt them? It is called depth, the season is three games old, are you certain they won't have any injuries?

Expecting a GM to fix every problem in one summer of a team that has been bottom 10 for five straight years is ridiculous.

Hemsky isn't hurting the team, and any suggestion that the team would be better by buying him out is inaccurate.

First let's set the stage:

This year more than any other is about cap room. It is also the only time (or next year when everyone seems to agree there will be far more cap room) teams can (or rather could) buy out two of their contracts. Thus the smart thing to do if an owner was Willing to spend the dough - was to buy out the two most expensive/underperforming contracts.

In edms case that was Horcoff and hemsky. Doing so would have reaped the most cap room and opened up two roster spots. That hemsky was essentially untradable - to hear it from MacT at least - puts paid to the wisdom of buying him out rather than being stuck with him. (It is not about "saving money" it's about getting more cap room when the market for it is at a historical peak.

That he has played well in three games is irrelevant. He has skills that are surplus to the team when compared to what the team needs (and as was demonstrated in those same three games). Either he or one of the four untouchables has to be moved to make room. His presence indeed does hurt the team by blocking the addition of a player who bring some of the attributes the steam is starving for.

As for fixing in one season all that ails the team - MacT let his love/allegiance/stubbornness prevent him from moving the surplus - hemsky, gagner; pruning the deadwood - Smyth and hiring retreads when other options were available (at the cost of significant and inflexible cap room) - grebeshkov. More could have been done - MacT promised more AND DID NOT deliver primarily because of flaws in his attitude. Hiring an outsider without his baggage likely would have seen far more get done towards curing what ails this team.

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#57 @Oilanderp
October 08 2013, 05:51PM
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Arcobello third on the team in hits! AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!! Good on you Arco!

Nevertheless that is alarming, yet not surprising. Not a lot of guys are finishing their checks out there. I guess they are too skilled!

I'm not saying hits win games but it sure helps to get things back on track when the puck isn't bouncing your way. Things not working out? Work hard, make simple plays, finish your checks, take a shot instead of risk a fancy pass. I really really think this is the Oilers' number one problem.

I'm not sure how since they've been at the bottom of the league for so long, but it's almost like this team thinks they are too skilled or good to do all of the above. I hope Eakins can break them out of this horrible horrible habit.

I can take a loss if they work hard and do the simple things. I just haven't seen it yet this year.

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#58 ubermiguel
October 08 2013, 05:53PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

First let's set the stage:

This year more than any other is about cap room. It is also the only time (or next year when everyone seems to agree there will be far more cap room) teams can (or rather could) buy out two of their contracts. Thus the smart thing to do if an owner was Willing to spend the dough - was to buy out the two most expensive/underperforming contracts.

In edms case that was Horcoff and hemsky. Doing so would have reaped the most cap room and opened up two roster spots. That hemsky was essentially untradable - to hear it from MacT at least - puts paid to the wisdom of buying him out rather than being stuck with him. (It is not about "saving money" it's about getting more cap room when the market for it is at a historical peak.

That he has played well in three games is irrelevant. He has skills that are surplus to the team when compared to what the team needs (and as was demonstrated in those same three games). Either he or one of the four untouchables has to be moved to make room. His presence indeed does hurt the team by blocking the addition of a player who bring some of the attributes the steam is starving for.

As for fixing in one season all that ails the team - MacT let his love/allegiance/stubbornness prevent him from moving the surplus - hemsky, gagner; pruning the deadwood - Smyth and hiring retreads when other options were available (at the cost of significant and inflexible cap room) - grebeshkov. More could have been done - MacT promised more AND DID NOT deliver primarily because of flaws in his attitude. Hiring an outsider without his baggage likely would have seen far more get done towards curing what ails this team.

Actually the smart thing to do would be to trade those players (Horcoff and Hemsky) for other assets...oh that's right, MacT did that with Horcoff (a fact you conveniently neglected to mention).

Buy out Hemsky and sign whom? One of those first line centres that were begging to come to Edmonton? You must assume Lecavalier, Ribero and Weiss were falling over each other to sign here.

And what players was MacT unable to sign because of Grebs 1.5 million hit?

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#59 Smid
October 08 2013, 05:58PM
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I was surprised Smid was used so little in comparison to Belov. It says volumes about what this organization sees in Belov. Seeing Smid as a 5th defensemen is a good sign that we have depth at that position. I still would love to see a nasty number 6 defensemen, but oh well a defence 5 solid guys deep is nice.

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#60 Smokey
October 08 2013, 06:12PM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Actually the smart thing to do would be to trade those players (Horcoff and Hemsky) for other assets...oh that's right, MacT did that with Horcoff (a fact you conveniently neglected to mention).

Buy out Hemsky and sign whom? One of those first line centres that were begging to come to Edmonton? You must assume Lecavalier, Ribero and Weiss were falling over each other to sign here.

And what players was MacT unable to sign because of Grebs 1.5 million hit?

I concur. Hemsky at 5 mil is a slight overpay of what a few hundred thousand. You trade the guy for assets not dump for nothing. If the cap stayed at 70 mil he would of been traded. The one team I thought may pick him up was NJ. Lou gotta a pretty display of his skill level with that sick toe drag on Larsson. Brodeur was all world with the mitten on the play. Anyways, detractors of Hemsky who want to dump the guy who I believe can still be a Corsi -demon, and top drawer zone entry specialist and set up man should be shot. Lets pay the 5 million, enjoy the show, and wish him adieu at the trade deadline or hopefully in the playoffs. There will be many nights he will be our best player. The guy shows up when healthy. He's been a leader this year, and has been impressive. Boyd Gordon seems to be a perfect fit with him. Hopefully him and Perron can work some chemistry. Would love to see Peron net 25-30.

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#61 Serious Gord
October 08 2013, 06:13PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He traded Horcoff, so why did he need to buy him out?

The Oilers went hard after Clarkson and didn't get him. They were willing to overpay to get him. IF they bought out Hemsky, there is NO guarantee they would just magically add these players you talk about.

You make it sound like being a GM is easy. That a GM should be able to make every move he wants to make. Doesn't work that way.

MacTavish made it clear he would move Hemsky, but he wisely didn't give him away for nothing. He can still deal Hemsky, and his trade value will be much higher now that he is playing well.

FYI the Oilers can still buy out a player next year. They didn't have to do it this year.

They traded horc and got back an equally upside down contract - some gain arguably but nowhere near what they could have done with the freed up cap space and open roster spot.

Free cap space and roster spots was in the preseason and will be in the regular season golden - how about trading to get a costly player in exchange for one that has a low cap hit - Toronto Philly and several others will be in dire straights to shed salary and talent.

Where did I say being Gm was easy? All the more reason to hire an experienced and proven one.

That hemsky was untradable only proves my point that he should have been bought out (tambellini should have traded rather than signed him). And I doubt his value has moved much three games in. (And if it has - for godsake trade him!!)

And if you read my post you would have known and acknowledge that the cap next year will be much higher and thus by extension the buyout option will be less valuable.

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#62 DrDave
October 08 2013, 06:15PM
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Terrible game with a great finish. I think too many of the players believed their hype going into the season and it caught up with them. Then a string of a 2 bad games (and 2 bad periods) started to wear on them until they got a break that offered some hope and they pounced! Let's hope they can bust it wide open now and Dubbie can bounce back on Thursday!

Side note, I hope the esks keep Greg Marshall. The D hasn't been great this season but he's a great coach and he deserves another season to prove himself again.

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#63 washed up
October 08 2013, 06:20PM
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@Jason Gregor

A couple years ago everyone was putting the leafs rebuild behind the oiler. I was one who also thought this way. Now I consider Toronto to be ahead for the oilers. What's your opinion.

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#64 michael
October 08 2013, 06:24PM
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The one point that we have not been arguing this season so far is our lack of success on the face off dot. What was Acton last night? 11/11? Nuge?

And how fresh does Nuge look?

Could we see a line of Gordon,Hemsky and Jonessu moving forward>

Arcobello has stepped it up a big notch. Does he get the nod over Acton if he continues to play at this level?

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#65 Poolanov
October 08 2013, 06:49PM
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Dallas Eakins' Post game was epic. Watch the whole thing and I am sure you will like him more.

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#66 Thumby
October 08 2013, 06:59PM
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bwar wrote:

First off, Belov might be the teams best defenseman so far. I think that if he's playing well then Eakins should reward him.

Second, when the Oilers started churning out the offensive blender (only using 8 forwards), it seemed like the game changed dramatically. Prior to the shortening of the bench the Oilers seemed extremely stagnant and the game seemed like it was going to slip away from the Oilers. There seemed to be no pressure being applied in the offensive zone and the Devils were clearing the zone with ease. Then the Oilers entered attack mode. It was hard to keep track of who was on the ice and the almost randomness of the lines seemed to put the Devils at a disadvantage. With the Oilers offensive talent I think that running a system like this has many positives. If the fourth line can have their player weaved in occasionally, for player relief and to maintain a more physical presence, I think that the Oilers become a much harder team to match up against (ie. harder to shutdown one line when that line is always changing). Obviously you would have certain pairings and groupings that would remain favored but having a more dynamic approach to line combinations could benefit the Oilers.

Third, we were pretty bad in OT. Nearly every breakout ended up sending one Oiler way ahead into a 1v2 or 1v3 scenario that the Devils were easily stopping. A more balanced attack would result in more offensive zone penetration and would most likely end up with a few more scoring chances. I think the first step to cleaning this up would be giving the defensemen more freedom to carry the puck out of the zone during OT over firing off the long pass. This keeps the attacked more balanced and offers more time to read the defensive setup as well as setup the attack to break into the zone.

It was great to see the Oilers finally get some life back into their game and hopefully they will be able to carry some of the third period into Thursdays game.

Holy NewAgeSystem Batman!

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#67 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 08 2013, 07:23PM
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Todd wrote:

Are you trying to be funny?? FYI - Its not even remotely working...

Jason wasn't a fan of my original post, so he edited it. If he didn't want it there, then that's his call. I can respect that.

You writing a book about me, or work for Interpol, the Internet Police? Take a hike Todd. I'm in no way in need of your approval.

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#68 madjam
October 08 2013, 07:53PM
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The young Avalanche team is exploding on the scene this year - can they be for real or be stopped for that matter ? Maybe it's Roy ?

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#69 Oilcruzer
October 08 2013, 07:57PM
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Whoever asked if a post hit = a shot. Sorry, no. It has to be a shot that would go into the net, unless saved by a goalie.

Thots on last night.

Oil have difficulty as teams enter their zone. Much too soft between hash marks and blue line.

D need push the first 2 back, first forward has to be all over 3rd forward. Watch Jagr's goal as example.

The rest is coming together. You can't change a system in a couple of preseason games.

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#70 Dog Train
October 08 2013, 08:16PM
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I wanted to tune out of that game but something kept me watching. There was nothing to suggest that we were coming back in that game but I felt like both teams were doing an equal amount of nothing and the score shouldn't have been that lopsided. The Oilers seem to have a few of those miracle comebacks at home every season.

Confidence is a funny thing. RNH and Ference were already playing well before their goals but Perron and Hall really found another gear after their goals. Yakupov just needs a break and his play will improve. He exemplifies what Eakins was talking about the other day with players who are inconsistent from shift to shift.

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#71 Harry
October 08 2013, 08:21PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I love(d) the Oilers. Now i'm on Prozac. May soon love again if that little poodle Harry will let me.

Fans dont predict the team will lose before the puck has even been dropped.

Your behavior towards edm is exactly how Canuck fans act.

Get your stuff together

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#72 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 08 2013, 08:35PM
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@Serious Gord

First let's set the stage:

starting a post like that generally means you are going to try and talk out of your ass to try and make your point.

you didn't disappoint.

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#73 Serious Gord
October 08 2013, 09:03PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:
First let's set the stage:

starting a post like that generally means you are going to try and talk out of your ass to try and make your point.

you didn't disappoint.

Excellent, well argued rebuttal. Brilliant how you pointed out a different view of the facts. You must be a lawyer or something.

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#74 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 08 2013, 09:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Excellent, well argued rebuttal. Brilliant how you pointed out a different view of the facts. You must be a lawyer or something.

What on earth do I need to waste time and argue for? You mention the oilers would have been better off hiring someone with no baggage.

How did tambellini do? He was hired with no baggage.

At least when DSF talks out of his ass there is some challenge to it.

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#75 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 08 2013, 09:24PM
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@Harry

Happens all the time Harry, where've you been. Ever hear of GDB?

Why don't you stalk and hassle Jason Gregor as well, when he predicts the exact same thing in his GDB's? Don't you ever get sick of forcing yourself to like this shippy team some nights. You've obviously been fooled into thinking this is some sort of reverse upward trend here these last 5 yrs.

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#76 Serious Gord
October 08 2013, 09:35PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

What on earth do I need to waste time and argue for? You mention the oilers would have been better off hiring someone with no baggage.

How did tambellini do? He was hired with no baggage.

At least when DSF talks out of his ass there is some challenge to it.

Perhaps you weren't/aren't aware that tambellini and Lowe are the best of friends - that he couldn't get the GM job anywhere else but from KLOWE. That's baggage.

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#77 Serious Gord
October 08 2013, 09:38PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

What on earth do I need to waste time and argue for? You mention the oilers would have been better off hiring someone with no baggage.

How did tambellini do? He was hired with no baggage.

At least when DSF talks out of his ass there is some challenge to it.

And perhaps I should have been more precise - by baggage I meant baggage with the team that he was hired to be GM. Torts has zero baggage with the Canucks roster.

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#78 Walter Sobchak
October 08 2013, 09:41PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

He's messing with you Quick, you've been around long enough to know when someone just goating you into a fight.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

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#79 Walter Sobchak
October 08 2013, 10:03PM
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@Serious Gord

I like your passion Gord.

I can agree that the Oilers find themselves in a bad cap position, that's a real problem moving forward this year.

However, the Oilers hands are tied when it comes to Hemsky.

Forget the past it's irrelevant now.

Fast forward to MacTavish, first he shouldn't have ever said Hemsky was on the market, a poor choice of words for a rookie GM and Hemskys stock plummeted further.

So thinking like a GM, do you give a talent like Hemsky away for free?

Or...do you play the sh!t out of him hoping he can produce and get at least some value out of him.

Hemsky needs to play, what's the worst that can happen? He walks at the end of the year and the Oilers save 5 on the cap.

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#80 madjam
October 08 2013, 10:11PM
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Tied for 29th spot in the league with worst goals against - are things looking up finally ?

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#81 The Soup Fascist
October 08 2013, 10:35PM
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madjam wrote:

Tied for 29th spot in the league with worst goals against - are things looking up finally ?

Glass half full - we were tied for 30th on September 30th, so in a way there has been progress over the last week. ;^)

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#82 Harry
October 08 2013, 10:44PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Happens all the time Harry, where've you been. Ever hear of GDB?

Why don't you stalk and hassle Jason Gregor as well, when he predicts the exact same thing in his GDB's? Don't you ever get sick of forcing yourself to like this shippy team some nights. You've obviously been fooled into thinking this is some sort of reverse upward trend here these last 5 yrs.

Stalk and hassle?

Your constant put downs of this team are making me and others sick. Ive only been here a couple months and all I read from you is whining crying BS. Grow up

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#83 Eddie Shore
October 08 2013, 11:11PM
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Hemsky has been the best Oilers player thus far. How are the Oilers a better team without him?

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#84 Dangilitis
October 08 2013, 11:11PM
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"Nugent-Hopkins played a career-high 28:12. Does anyone still think they rushed him back?"

Yes, Jason. Apparently all of the copper and blue staff, and they're chirpy and arrogant about it.

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#85 Devolution
October 08 2013, 11:37PM
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Harry wrote:

Fans dont predict the team will lose before the puck has even been dropped.

Your behavior towards edm is exactly how Canuck fans act.

Get your stuff together

Fans don't predict that their team will lose before the game starts, which it what is killing me at Streakcred! I can't predict a loss for the Oilers, but against NJ I thought they would struggle, so I went for the "skip" option. Another mistake apparently!

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#86 StHenriOilBomb
October 08 2013, 11:40PM
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Todd wrote:

Are you trying to be funny?? FYI - Its not even remotely working...

Come on man. How can Quicky's comments not ring true to you.

I've been an Oilers fan since I watched the 88 Oilers Bruins final, and I feel very similarly. I'm now a fragile fan, and may in fact need prozac...

It's going to be a while before I feel completely comfortable investing myself in the hope of Oilers' success. I've been burned too many times, and until I see some evidence of a real swell of upward momentum, I'm probably not going to really love this team.

They're still my team, and we're in therapy trying to fix a broken relationship, but I'm not in love the way I used to be.

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#87 StHenriOilBomb
October 08 2013, 11:45PM
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madjam wrote:

Tied for 29th spot in the league with worst goals against - are things looking up finally ?

That's false.

Stop with the misinformation. Some people actually buy it.

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#88 Quinn the Eskimo
October 08 2013, 11:48PM
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Havent read all the comments but I thought Anton Belov has been awful in the first two games. His play in the second period yesterday was particularly sloppy and careless. I'll take Smid in a heartbeat over more minutes for Belov.

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#89 Darrell
October 09 2013, 05:06AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Happens all the time Harry, where've you been. Ever hear of GDB?

Why don't you stalk and hassle Jason Gregor as well, when he predicts the exact same thing in his GDB's? Don't you ever get sick of forcing yourself to like this shippy team some nights. You've obviously been fooled into thinking this is some sort of reverse upward trend here these last 5 yrs.

It's not dreaming its called being as Oiler fan douche bag ballet ! Why don't you fack off and go play in the streets as your negativity is not welcome here.

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#90 madjam
October 09 2013, 05:45AM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

That's false.

Stop with the misinformation. Some people actually buy it.

We have 2 points which ties us to 18-29th position . Factor goals against and that makes us 29th . My statement stands as written .

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#91 sizedoesmatter
October 09 2013, 07:18AM
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madjam wrote:

We have 2 points which ties us to 18-29th position . Factor goals against and that makes us 29th . My statement stands as written .

It's only three games!

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#92 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 09 2013, 07:24AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

He's messing with you Quick, you've been around long enough to know when someone just goating you into a fight.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Lol, thanks Wes. You're right, I should know better.

Guess it's just the nurturing part of me that even considers trying to rehabilitate/help some of these savages see the error of their ways.

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October 09 2013, 07:33AM
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@Darrell

Where in any of this statement did the topic of dreaming come up there sugar plum princess?

Take off your rose colored glasses. There's a very fine line between negativity and being a realist. Your predictable Oiler methamphetamine attitude has grown stale.

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#94 seanjohn
October 09 2013, 07:37AM
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I'm one of those people who tuned out after the 2nd out of utter disgust and depression. thank god they finally found the next gear in the 3rd. can they use that experience as a memory and dial it up from the start of the the game from now? I guess the bigger question is why they are still needing a lucky break to find the next gear? they are not rookies anymore, yet they play like members of Davos, Switzerland. Every other team at least works hard and hits. Only the Oilers play more flat minutes than up tempo minutes. it is dumbfounding.

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#95 djc
October 09 2013, 07:45AM
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Harry wrote:

Stalk and hassle?

Your constant put downs of this team are making me and others sick. Ive only been here a couple months and all I read from you is whining crying BS. Grow up

Your visits to Oilersnation will be much less aggravating if you just skip over comments from the whiny trolls (Quicksliver, DSF, serious Gord, etc).

They all seem to be the same person - cranky seniors, experts about hockey, always talking about how they have been fans since the 80s but stopped supporting current management, calling others who don't agree with them "fanboys" and "drinking the Koolaid", blah, blah, blah.

They say they hate the current Oilers yet they have the time to post on an Oilers fan website 50 times a day. It's pretty sad they are so desperate for attention. Just ignore them and hopefully one day they will just go away.

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#96 Dman
October 09 2013, 08:14AM
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madjam wrote:

We have 2 points which ties us to 18-29th position . Factor goals against and that makes us 29th . My statement stands as written .

Yeah we are in 28th place. We are also 1 point out of 14th place and 2 points out of 7th. The sky must be falling

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#98 Ari Gold
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A few too many conclusions drawn by y'all today.

1. One thing that's for sure is that the team desperately needs to work on turnovers.

2. The Oil don't need to be bigger, they need to play bigger. Initiating contact in the offensive zone rather than waiting for it would be a start.

3. Desperation is lacking. We saw a bit from the boys in the 3rd against NJ but a few lucky bounces don't solve everything. This team needs to be creating more turnovers. Skill is meaningless without hard work. This is collectively the responsibility of coaching, management & the players. EVERYONE.

These are all issues that can be remedied with a change in attitude. Once Gags returns, leave the roster as is. It'll always be a work in progress. Coaching needs to work with these players, truly work with them. Skill is not the issue, it's motivation.

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#99 Reg Dunlop
October 09 2013, 09:18AM
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@Ari Gold

You forgot the most important conclusion. According to the uber-knowledgable djc and Harry(palms?) the beloved Quicksilver is a whiny troll. Hmmm, and here I thought he was just a realistic, long time fan expressing his opinion.

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#100 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 09 2013, 09:22AM
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Buying out Horcoff and Hemsky are remarkably poor options.

Let's go through them.

1. Horcoff. three options.

a) keep him. tough cap hit, but low actual dollars. reliable 3C. center depth is good.

b) trade him. in this case without retaining salary and picking up a very young, cheap and interesting D prospect (on our organization's weak side, RD, I might add) who can be buried in the minors if necessary or lost to waivers.

c) buy him out. spend Katz' money (I'm fine with that), and acquire cap space.

All of these have their merits. C, however, is highly contingent on what options are available to use that money.

Because the Oil weren't cap constrained, i.e., they tried to spend that money (on Clarkson), the point is moot. They had the money to spend regardless of Horcoff.

A or B make much more sense in this regard.

2) Hemksy. 3 options:

a) keep him. we aren't in cap trouble and depth (as we've already seen this year) is critical to success. We know more about his value than anyone else.

b) trade him. the most talked about trade this off-season was for Zach Smith, reliable 4C under contract and modest cap hit. That would be a down-grade in talent, but for an actual NHL player addressing position of need. One area of concern is Smith doesn't PK apparently.

For whatever reason, this deal didn't happen. Maybe the Oil didn't offer to eat enough Hemsky cap, maybe the Sens didn't offer to throw in a pick?

c) buy out. see c above.

In this case also, all three have merits. But c again is the weakest option. And again, the Clarkson move shows that the team was ready to spend regardless of Hemsky. If a player actually signed for big money and no one would take Hemsky, only then do you buy him out... still though that looks sub-optimal to me when you can probably find someone willing to take on N. Schultz' contract or buy him out.

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