Would Jake Gardiner be a good fit for Edmonton?

Jonathan Willis
October 09 2013 09:47AM

So the Jake Gardiner rumours have started up again. CBC’s Elliotte Friedman reports that the 23-year-old defenceman is a topic of conversation between the Leafs and other NHL teams, and given his difficulties getting ice-time from Toronto head coach Randy Carlyle that makes a certain amount of sense.

Does it make sense for the Oilers to be interested?

The Edmonton End

It just might make sense for the Oilers.

Some would argue that, because the Oilers have approximately a million defencemen split between the NHL and the AHL. And they might have a point: while the Oilers’ left side defence is relatively weak at the moment, prospects like Darnell Nurse and Oscar Klefbom and Martin Marincin all play the position. Given enough time, things should work themselves out, and as to the interim that’s what Ladislav Smid and Nick Schultz and Andrew Ference are for.

The case for is pretty straight-forward, though: Gardiner not only has strong potential, but moved out of Carlyle’s system it’s not crazy to think he’s a solid top-four option right now. Gardiner had a solid NHL rookie campaign in 2011-12, playing 21:35 per game for Toronto. Last year he had to wait for his shot, but he was close to the point-per-game mark in the AHL and delivered strong two-way play in 12 regular season games with the Maple Leafs and six more in the playoffs. This is a guy who is ready for a significant role now, and he certainly fits Craig MacTavish’s vision of a mobile defence corps that can also move the puck.

The Toronto End

Here’s how Elliotte Friedman assessed the return the Leafs might be looking for in his report:

If the Maple Leafs do decide to do it, it's going to be for a young asset or assets. So, you have to look at teams with talented young players.

James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail wrote on this topic too. The full article is here, but the gist of the argument is that the Leafs aren’t really a Randy Carlyle team on defence because they lack both physical players and shutdown types. Unfortunately for Toronto, they don’t really have the money to add that kind of player, so instead they have to settle for youth.

A Trade?

Toronto still needs defenders, and Edmonton would need to move some out, but the problem is that aside from Nurse (who can reasonably be excluded from trade discussions) they don’t exactly have a bunch of physical shutdown types they can move; David Musil might be the only guy who qualifies and he likely isn’t good enough to be the centerpiece of a trade with the Leafs. If it’s a Gardiner-specific issue, the Oilers could offer a bigger guy like Martin Marincin (who has a lot of the same skills) or unsigned defender Dillon Simpson, but these are ‘more of the same’ type moves. If not for the money, a guy like Nick Schultz might appeal (as might Ladislav Smid, though the Oilers may prefer to hang on to him), but perhaps that could be worked around if the Oilers took back a contract (such as Nikolai Kulemin).

Still, it’s hard to construct a plausible scenario that would appeal to both teams, so while it might make sense for the Oilers to be interested it’s difficult to see how they get a deal done.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Jay Gray
October 09 2013, 09:53AM
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#2 They're $hittie
October 09 2013, 09:53AM
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Don't Leafs fans and Toronto media think Yak is the return?

I thought B.C. was where all the good bud was.

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#3 Jason Gregor
October 09 2013, 09:59AM
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I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

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#4 CM
October 09 2013, 10:04AM
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Could we build something around Klefbom?

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#5 Whatta Mike
October 09 2013, 10:16AM
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I agree with the guys ahead of me in saying no to getting Gardiner. Although he has skill he is too much more of the same the Oilers have now....no meanness and he lacks big size to easily push out guys away from the net...which is exactly what the Oilers now need for defence.

The Oilers have puck moving guys on the team now with Petry, J. Schultz, Belov, Grebeshkov, even Ference (to a degree) and then there is Potter as well. In the AHL... the Oilers have Klefbom, Gernat, Marancin, Fedun, Hunt, etc, who are mainly bigger (except Hunt) and all can move the puck/pass it up forward easily.

If the Oilers want another defenceman he has to be a type top 1/2 guy or a very good skating big/heavy, mean, tough hard hitting SOB who lets the other team be afraid...very afraid.... in other words a type of Weber, Pronger, Subban, and/or even a Jacob Trouba kid.

BTW, the Oilers do have one top 1/2 defenceman in the future (like Trouba fo the Jets) who is big, mean, has excellent skills and can skate awesome....and his name is Nurse...Darnel Nurse.

So I say no to getting Gardiner.

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#6 CaptainLander
October 09 2013, 10:17AM
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@CM

I think Klefbom (living to potential say by next year) has a skill set more to what the Oil need vs Gardiner. I think he could bring more defensively then Gardiner. If things are not wherr the need to be with Klefbom by the end of this year then I consider it.

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#7 Will
October 09 2013, 10:22AM
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Is there any validity to these, or is this just Bob Mac speculating on how the Oilers need better defence. Because from my perspective, everyone seems to be going off that without getting any word from Mac T on whether he is looking to make this deal.

Because it really seems like TSN is just trying to make news. I thought our D was outstanding against Winnipeg, Dubnyk single handily lost that game for the Oilers. Vancouver I can't really speak to but I would be surprised if it had nothing to do with the fact Hall and Arcebello were up against Henrick and Kesler. As for New Jersey, yes. I mean maybe our D is still struggling a little bit, but compared to last year where we'd be hemmed in for ages, and couldn't get the puck out or make an outlet pass, it's not even close.

Point being we've won one game of three, we still have key players injured. Belov was always going to take a little bit of time to adjust. And we need our goalies to make some of the saves they've been giving up. Take away Dubnyks really bad goals and suddenly we've given away 10 goals in 3 games, and won at least two of them.

As for Gardiner in Edmonton. Meh, I would rather give our defence a bit more time to see what they can do.

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#8 Spoils
October 09 2013, 10:30AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

There has been a lot of chatter about the millions of bottom 4D we have. As much as I loved the 4 goal 3rd period, we aren't contending this year.

Still, I believe it is time to mortgage the future (draft picks and players that won't be on the team in 3years). Trading guys that have potential before they underwhelm is one of the great ways a GM can add value.

Aren't we expecting the D to look like this when we win a cup? Klefbom was 1st team allstar at the WJC (so in the company of Alex Pietrangelo Erik Karlsson PK Subban Drew Doughty Kris Letang Ryan Suter). Nurse was a "young larry robinson" at camp.

Nurse- Klefbom Schultz- Petry Smid- (Marincin/Simpson/Gernat etc.)

If Klefbom is not the #1 guy let's package him up and trade him, but to get a bona fide #1 like a Pronger, we'll be forced to give stuff up (like maybe even a Gag, Yak or Ebs).

Priority this year should be making the call on whether or not Nurse/Schultz/Klefbom can be first team NHL All Stars norris winning cup champs.

goaltending and puzzle pieces(Gazdic(s) for example) are the trades we need to make immediately.

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#9 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 09 2013, 10:32AM
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Sorry, double posted. Real comment is next. I feel shame

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#10 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 09 2013, 10:32AM
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I agree with everything JG said. I don't see how we improve by adding 3-4 type, non-bruising defenders. From where I sit, any moves right now should revolve around getting bigger/tougher.

I'd also hate to give up a prospect like Musil. It sounds like he has the tools to fill a void on the team, with one key weakness. I hope the coaches and player development personnel have him working on his skating on a daily basis. Whether it's sprints after every game/practice or dry-land training, I believe players can get faster through hard work. It may take a couple of years, but if he wants an NHL shot, he's probably going to have to commit to improving his foot speed.

Last, in full agreement with Gregor about Yakupov. Trading him for a 3-4 D man is out of the question. Starting to wonder though, (can't blame JG for this idea) if we could get Bernier (+?) for yakupov, if that might be worth it. Knee jerk? Yup, but IF Dubbs isn't the answer, then we need to find a franchise goalie sooner rather than later

Oh yeah... And Omark for Weber

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#11 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:33AM
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I don't see him as an upgrade in our top 4.

With the young up and comers I don't look at him unless it is a steal. Of course I would look at a trade of Musil or N Schultz for him, but one is not proven and one is too expensive.

Does not look like a fit.

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#12 bdiddy18
October 09 2013, 10:35AM
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Allowing 15 GA in three games how could you not be considering a trade on D.

if MAC T is already looking..then kudos for addressing it before it becomes a nightmare... with Tambo he'd wait until next year to address it.

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#13 Archaeologuy
October 09 2013, 10:36AM
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Gardiner would be nice to get for peanuts (not gonna happen), but the Oilers need someone better than top 4 to get a real upgrade IMO.

They arent missing 2nd pairing players, they are missing top pairing guys.

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#14 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:36AM
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@Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!

Unless a top young goalie prospect falls in our lap I think you have to give Dubnyk the benefit of the doubt and let him work himself out of the funk he is in.

2 games in he has not looked like the goalie he has shown himself to be the last couple of years. Way too early to give up major assets for something that may not be an improvement over what we already have.

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#15 Hammers
October 09 2013, 10:37AM
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Face it if we want an upgrade we have to trade Smid . The most you get for N.Schultz is a 2nd rd pick at the deadline .Belov goes with Petry . Trade Smid + Fedun for Coburn @ Philly OR Smid + 2AHL players for Tyutin or that level of player.I like Smid but he is the best answer in an upgrade trade for a "D" . Agree that Gardiner is not the answer.

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#16 Geoff
October 09 2013, 10:38AM
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To state the obvious if Edmonton trades for a Dman it's gotta be a top D man with size and defensive shutdown ability. That kind of trade would involve one of our awesome forwards which would be one of Yakupov and Eberle. Top D guy and a 3rd line RW for Eb/Yak and one of our younger Dmen would be most likely in my opinion and MacT said he wanted to be bold so it's probably a likely scenario if the guys can't tighten up their defense :(.

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#17 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:39AM
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@bdiddy18

It's 3 games in, and the goalies have not looked good. I am confident this is the best D we have had in years. There are certainly some kinks to work out. New players, new coach, new system, but I think you have to give them 10-15 games to work it out.

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#18 Rama Lama
October 09 2013, 10:42AM
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Giving up any of our high skilled youth for a softer type defensemen would in my mind be a panic move. We all know that Darnell Nurse will be playing for this team next year and that we have more defensemen than we do playing time.

Trade for no one unless they play centre, are big & mean, with some assembelence of skill.

What we need is goaltending, everyone know that, even Dubby. He is a great back up but we need a starter, someone with balls of steel who can make a save to win a game. I would try and lure Kipper back from retirement........the guy retired way too early.

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#20 madjam
October 09 2013, 10:50AM
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Gardiner can be part of trade for Yak only if Reimer or Bernier are included . Dump Lababarra in package .

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#21 Oiler_lover
October 09 2013, 10:53AM
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I dont think Gardiner is not the right fit for the oilers. IMO, it is just another example of trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole. We need a d-man that is big, strong, mean and has the ability to make the right play at the right time.

No one is giving away these players, and maybe one day Nurse will be that player, but we dont have it now.

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#22 morgie
October 09 2013, 10:56AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

My thoughts exactly.

We don't need another smallish soft offensive D man, a river boat gambler who has diffciulty getting back into defensive postion to stop the oppositions, odd man rush back

We have two very similar players in Fedun and Larsen on the farm

Not to mention Grebs, and justin Schultz as offensive D men on the team

on top of that, to give up value to get more of the same by way of trade is addition by subtraction, no thanks!

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#23 washed up
October 09 2013, 10:57AM
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Whatta Mike wrote:

I agree with the guys ahead of me in saying no to getting Gardiner. Although he has skill he is too much more of the same the Oilers have now....no meanness and he lacks big size to easily push out guys away from the net...which is exactly what the Oilers now need for defence.

The Oilers have puck moving guys on the team now with Petry, J. Schultz, Belov, Grebeshkov, even Ference (to a degree) and then there is Potter as well. In the AHL... the Oilers have Klefbom, Gernat, Marancin, Fedun, Hunt, etc, who are mainly bigger (except Hunt) and all can move the puck/pass it up forward easily.

If the Oilers want another defenceman he has to be a type top 1/2 guy or a very good skating big/heavy, mean, tough hard hitting SOB who lets the other team be afraid...very afraid.... in other words a type of Weber, Pronger, Subban, and/or even a Jacob Trouba kid.

BTW, the Oilers do have one top 1/2 defenceman in the future (like Trouba fo the Jets) who is big, mean, has excellent skills and can skate awesome....and his name is Nurse...Darnel Nurse.

So I say no to getting Gardiner.

That being said, if your MacT do you call up the Jets and see if their interested in a Yakupov for Trouba straight across. I think this trade could make sense for both teams. I could see a pair of him and Nurse drastically changing the complexion of the oilers defense.

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#24 Ryan2
October 09 2013, 10:57AM
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Spoils wrote:

There has been a lot of chatter about the millions of bottom 4D we have. As much as I loved the 4 goal 3rd period, we aren't contending this year.

Still, I believe it is time to mortgage the future (draft picks and players that won't be on the team in 3years). Trading guys that have potential before they underwhelm is one of the great ways a GM can add value.

Aren't we expecting the D to look like this when we win a cup? Klefbom was 1st team allstar at the WJC (so in the company of Alex Pietrangelo Erik Karlsson PK Subban Drew Doughty Kris Letang Ryan Suter). Nurse was a "young larry robinson" at camp.

Nurse- Klefbom Schultz- Petry Smid- (Marincin/Simpson/Gernat etc.)

If Klefbom is not the #1 guy let's package him up and trade him, but to get a bona fide #1 like a Pronger, we'll be forced to give stuff up (like maybe even a Gag, Yak or Ebs).

Priority this year should be making the call on whether or not Nurse/Schultz/Klefbom can be first team NHL All Stars norris winning cup champs.

goaltending and puzzle pieces(Gazdic(s) for example) are the trades we need to make immediately.

We shipped out a decent sized, soft, puck moving d-man in Gilbert a year and a half ago so why bring in another one to add to the pile?

It is way too early in the season to be talking about mortgaging the future. The best course of action right now is for MacT to be patient for a bit and let the team gel. There was a decent amount of turnover, another new system for the players to learn, and the team started with their top 2 centers on the IR. I did not expect the Oilers to be a playoff team this year (and stated so), and deep down I doubt that MacT did either. There are still too many pieces missing.

As far as trading the prospects, this team is still 2 years away from being a solid playoff tem let alone a cup contender, if it ever will be.Why waste young assets now on a stopgap player or two that will not make much of a difference at all? Right now the Oilers need to develop system depth (which is sorely lacking at forward) in order to fill roster holes with solid and cheap young players in the future. This is the Detroit model that has been copied in Chicago, and with Nuge, Hall and Ebs locked in longer term as cornerstones the Oilers could follow this model as well. I know that the fans are restless, but it will take two years to clean up Tambi's mismanagement of the roster, if not 3.

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#25 Spoils
October 09 2013, 10:58AM
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trashed! ignore the long post- my point is:

watching Pronger march us to game 7 should point out the value of a true top guy. so basically you just have to tie for the half game he doesn't play.

if Klef-Nurse-JSchultz isn't going to do it, we should make the trade now while they have potential value - and we should be happy to give up one of our star forwards.

Stud D is that valuable.

Would Nashville make a move?

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#26 WhattaMike
October 09 2013, 11:03AM
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I also want to add to my post earlier (#5) in that the Oilers do have Phillip Larsen as well who is even better i think than Gardiner at this stage and he is a little bigger too and only 23 yrs old. Then there is Dillon Simpson as well who is doing very well in his university league.

The Oilers do need more accent/accessory pieces to the team now.... and on defence... it is of adding big heavy tough mean guys who can skate well, hit hard, and have very reasonable passing abilities to move the puck.

N. Schultz will be leaving this yr in my opinion as he is old(er) and his limited type skill can be replaced by a cheaper younger very good player/prospect in the Oilers system (Davidson, Musil, etc).

Gardiner does not fit the bill as being needed or better than what the Oilers have on the team and/or in the system.

Last is that TSN and/or the Leafs are LOONY TUNES to think Yakupov is of equal type trade material to what they want or have.

First is that Hemsky is 30 yrs old and in his last big yr contract ($5 mil) and as good as he looks right now, Yak is 20 yrs only and he is going to replace him shortly as he learns more. Yak even has a better harder shot than Hemsky, is as fast (if not faster) as Hemsky, can score goals better than Hemsky, etc. he even hits more as much than Ales and I think he is a better PP.

Example is that Hemsky has only 1 hattrick since he joined the league (one in 10/11 yrs) and Yak got his first already in his first season. Case closed.

He will also need to be paid as like Hall, Ebs, RNH soon and that is where the money from Hemsky is gonna go IMO.

So those who suggest trading for Yakupov to the Leafs...for Gardiner or Bernier???? Go back to sleep and have more other dreams....

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#27 michael
October 09 2013, 11:08AM
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Is this April Fools? Because really its the only way that this makes any sense.

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#28 OatmealSavage
October 09 2013, 11:10AM
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Absolutely, positively no for trading Yakupov for Gardiner. Gardiner at best, is a 2nd/3rd pairing dman.

No f**king way.

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#29 WhattaMike
October 09 2013, 11:21AM
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@washed up....

Inetresting maybe tempting...trade idea with Yak for Trouba....but...I think the Jets would have to add something else for such a type deal to be made at this time too. But I must say that I do like alot of what he showed against the Oilers in the first game.

I think Yak should have won the Calder trophy over Huberdeau without question and this alone gives the Oilers to having the better player now...between the two. IMO, Trouba would have to play a yr of defence full time and show his skills off well enough for a 1 to 1 trade off like that.

Yak is soon gonna be a 40 to 50 goal scorer soon IMO... with given top line minutes and PP time. This is then making it harder to trade a guy like that for even Trouba....one for one.

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#30 madjam
October 09 2013, 11:21AM
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We have to evaluate whether our top 6 (Hall, Hopkins, Eberle ,Gagner ,Yakupov and J.Schultz ) is the right mix to go forward with . So far it is looking like maybe not all of them . To much skill and little much else . Chemistry is an issue as it is very sporadic with top group . Rangers used to buy all the skill at one time , and they seldom won much .

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#31 Spoils
October 09 2013, 11:28AM
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Ryan2 wrote:

We shipped out a decent sized, soft, puck moving d-man in Gilbert a year and a half ago so why bring in another one to add to the pile?

It is way too early in the season to be talking about mortgaging the future. The best course of action right now is for MacT to be patient for a bit and let the team gel. There was a decent amount of turnover, another new system for the players to learn, and the team started with their top 2 centers on the IR. I did not expect the Oilers to be a playoff team this year (and stated so), and deep down I doubt that MacT did either. There are still too many pieces missing.

As far as trading the prospects, this team is still 2 years away from being a solid playoff tem let alone a cup contender, if it ever will be.Why waste young assets now on a stopgap player or two that will not make much of a difference at all? Right now the Oilers need to develop system depth (which is sorely lacking at forward) in order to fill roster holes with solid and cheap young players in the future. This is the Detroit model that has been copied in Chicago, and with Nuge, Hall and Ebs locked in longer term as cornerstones the Oilers could follow this model as well. I know that the fans are restless, but it will take two years to clean up Tambi's mismanagement of the roster, if not 3.

I am not saying Gardiner is right. I am saying we should be thinking about whether or not Klef etc. are. and not be afraid to trade while they have mystique.

I am saying we should aim to win in 3-5yrs and so trading draft picks (maybe not this year) and packages of prospects to get a puzzle piece who will fit that time frame (top goalie/#1D) makes sense to me.

I like the idea of the Detroit model, but if Edmonton is structurally challenged e.g. small market, then focusing on windows of years to win seems smart. Strikes me one of those windows is coming up.

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#32 DOMINATOR
October 09 2013, 11:28AM
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@Jay Gray

THATS ANOTHER NO . HOW ABOUT CAM WARD NEEDING A NEW ADDRESS .

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#33 They're $hittie
October 09 2013, 11:44AM
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Two comments this week and I am supporting 94-4 for a total +90 on my Dalkin score.

Watch all the trashes come in to wreck it now.

LOL.

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE

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#34 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 11:46AM
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Might as well renovate the blueline and goaltending during yet another outside looking in season.

Subtracting N.Schultz, Smid and Grabeshkov, while adding Gardiner, Dan Girardi (2014 UFA) and Darnell Nurse next season would save the Oilers about 3-4 mill next year. Let Eakins make that call on Gardiner, he would know all about Jake. Musil and Omark in exchange......done!

7 million for Smid and N.Schultz.....yikes.

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#35 pkam
October 09 2013, 11:53AM
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Who comes up with this joke of trading Yak straight for Gardiner should has his brain examined.

The only Leafs forward with similar quality of Yak is Kessel. You can argue Yak is unproven but he definitely has better potential than Kessel. Yak's rookie season stat is about as good as Kessel's 3rd season, the year that Leafs paid a big ransom to acquire him from Boston. Yak will probably rival Kessel current stats in a year or 2 and move ahead of him after that. Kessel is coming out of his RFA and get 8M next year. Yak still has 2 years left in his ELC and 4 years of RFA.

The Oilers defenders with similar quality of Gardiner are J. Schultz and Petry. I believe the Leafs wanted J. Schultz but the Ducks refused so they settled for Gardiner.

Does he think the Leafs will trade Kessel straight for J. Schultz? If he doesn't think so, how does it make any sense for the Oilers to trade Yak, a better version of Kessel, straight for Gardiner, a similar player to J. Schultz.

If they want Yak, simple, 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. Gardiner may get the Leafs a late 1st rounder. So Gardiner plus a 1st and 2nd rounder for Yak, if we are interested in Gardiner.

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#36 916oiler
October 09 2013, 11:54AM
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Trading Yakupov for Gardiner would be like trading Kessel for Petry. Smoke on, Toronto.

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#37 Ari Gold
October 09 2013, 12:00PM
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No. No way! Hell no!!

Pull this off and I'll piss all over myself.

This is not a 'wow' trade. Pass....

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#38 Walter Sobchak
October 09 2013, 12:00PM
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I would do the trade if it were for N.Schultz, if the Oilers bought back half his salary.

I think Gardiner just needs to get the hell out of Carlyle system and he will take off.

If Gardiner crashes and burns the Oilers have enough D-men on the way up that it's a relative small risk trade.

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#39 ubermiguel
October 09 2013, 12:18PM
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trashed! ignore the long post- my point is:

watching Pronger march us to game 7 should point out the value of a true top guy. so basically you just have to tie for the half game he doesn't play.

if Klef-Nurse-JSchultz isn't going to do it, we should make the trade now while they have potential value - and we should be happy to give up one of our star forwards.

Stud D is that valuable.

Would Nashville make a move?

It wasn't just the 06 Oilers. Pronger regularly turned ok teams into contenders. The only problem, there's no defenceman that good in the league right now to target. Weber and Suter and great but Pronger was on a different level.

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#40 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 12:18PM
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I could see how many outsiders could view Yakupov as an extra asset. The way Eakins has used Yakupov could easily be considered indifferent. 3rd line minutes with cameo pp opportunities. Dallas certainly doesn't appear to be a fan from what we've all seen so far. This move alone may have cost the Oilers a victory over the Jets.

Time to get out the blender. 1st) RNH between Hall and Yakupov. 2nd) Eberle between Perron and Hemsky. 3rd) Gordon between Smyth and Arcobello. 4th) Acton between Gazdic and Brown.

Now that the Hall to center experiment has failed. How about giving Jordan, who expressed a willingness to give it a try an opportunity. Putting a pure shooter (64) with a playmaker (93) deserves a good long look. Send Arcobello back to the AHL. Get Eager up here to take his spot on that 3rd line RW.

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#41 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 09 2013, 12:22PM
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EDM probably not a good dance partner for TOR on the Gardiner front.

One thing to keep in mind though, is that TOR might take something other than this "shutdown D" in a trade for Gardiner if you give them something else they want, ie., there's no reason they can't off-lift Gardiner for say a prospect (maybe a forward?) and a pick (or whatever) and find their shutdown D elsewhere.

That is, needs aren't addressed in a one-to-one vacuum.

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#42 OilDieHard
October 09 2013, 12:25PM
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if we had a chance to get Jake Gardiner here, i'd still like to see the Oilers do it, though he may not be exactly what they are looking for (Shea Weber?), still very talented. and we'd probably indeed need to take another contract from the Leafs and make it a multi player deal. if it cost us Martin Marincin and David Musil and whatever else the Leafs wanted that the Oil were willing to part with, then i'm OK with it.

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#43 Lochenzo
October 09 2013, 12:27PM
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I'm going to say no based on the fact that we have Justin Schultz. I believe that you can only carry one offensively gifted, but smaller defenceman in your top 4. Your top 4 will play most of the minutes and play against top competition. I'd prefer to have a little more size out there playing most of the minutes.

I think that's the situation that Toronto is in right now. They have Gardiner and they have Reilly who is looking very good right now. They both must play in the top 4 to be at their best, but there's only room for one.

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#44 madjam
October 09 2013, 12:29PM
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MacT. run out of viable trade options unless he exposes top 6 youngsters . Same problem Tams had . Coaching making little to no difference , which should not be much of a surprise . MacT. had one good trade in Perron -at least it appears to be for now , which is good for us . Top 6 either gets to another level , or we lounge again in cellar of league .

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#45 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 12:43PM
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@Jonathan Willis

While we're talking Toronto...

How was it Kessel got an 8 yr deal when that was supposedly limited to teams whom originally drafted the player? Thought he was limited to 7 since he was drafted by Boston and not Toronto.

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#46 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
October 09 2013, 12:47PM
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I've always thought Gardiner kinda looks like a 6 foot toddler. Something about that round face.

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#47 Quicksilver ballet
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With the emergence of Trouba in Winnipeg, maybe Bogosian has been freed up some. He could be a top 3 guy here. [edit] scrub that, no way is he worth 5.125 per season.

Good to have an all trade talk all the time topic once a week during these difficult times.

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#48 Ron Burgundy
October 09 2013, 01:05PM
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Burke traded for Gardiner while in T.O. (and if memory serves drafted him while in Anaheim)

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Oil domination of Gardiner for foreseeable future.

Let Burkey make his first big gaffe as quasi-GM of the Shames and overpay for this lesser version of Petry. We shouldn't touch this kid with a 10-foot pole. Unless the cost to get him is an 11-foot pole.

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#49 The Oilers Shot Clock
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If Yak was on the table, we could get a lot more than that. If a gun was to my head and I had to trade the kid, I'd send him to Washington for Carlson and Wilson. Carlson is locked in at 3.9 untill 17/18 without a no trade clause. I would consider that. Washington would consider that.

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@916oiler

If Yak was on the table, we could get a lot more than that. If a gun was to my head and I had to trade the kid, I'd send him to Washington for Carlson and Wilson. Carlson is locked in at 3.9 untill 17/18 without a no trade clause. I would consider that. Washington would consider that.

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