Would Jake Gardiner be a good fit for Edmonton?

Jonathan Willis
October 09 2013 09:47AM

So the Jake Gardiner rumours have started up again. CBC’s Elliotte Friedman reports that the 23-year-old defenceman is a topic of conversation between the Leafs and other NHL teams, and given his difficulties getting ice-time from Toronto head coach Randy Carlyle that makes a certain amount of sense.

Does it make sense for the Oilers to be interested?

The Edmonton End

It just might make sense for the Oilers.

Some would argue that, because the Oilers have approximately a million defencemen split between the NHL and the AHL. And they might have a point: while the Oilers’ left side defence is relatively weak at the moment, prospects like Darnell Nurse and Oscar Klefbom and Martin Marincin all play the position. Given enough time, things should work themselves out, and as to the interim that’s what Ladislav Smid and Nick Schultz and Andrew Ference are for.

The case for is pretty straight-forward, though: Gardiner not only has strong potential, but moved out of Carlyle’s system it’s not crazy to think he’s a solid top-four option right now. Gardiner had a solid NHL rookie campaign in 2011-12, playing 21:35 per game for Toronto. Last year he had to wait for his shot, but he was close to the point-per-game mark in the AHL and delivered strong two-way play in 12 regular season games with the Maple Leafs and six more in the playoffs. This is a guy who is ready for a significant role now, and he certainly fits Craig MacTavish’s vision of a mobile defence corps that can also move the puck.

The Toronto End

Here’s how Elliotte Friedman assessed the return the Leafs might be looking for in his report:

If the Maple Leafs do decide to do it, it's going to be for a young asset or assets. So, you have to look at teams with talented young players.

James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail wrote on this topic too. The full article is here, but the gist of the argument is that the Leafs aren’t really a Randy Carlyle team on defence because they lack both physical players and shutdown types. Unfortunately for Toronto, they don’t really have the money to add that kind of player, so instead they have to settle for youth.

A Trade?

Toronto still needs defenders, and Edmonton would need to move some out, but the problem is that aside from Nurse (who can reasonably be excluded from trade discussions) they don’t exactly have a bunch of physical shutdown types they can move; David Musil might be the only guy who qualifies and he likely isn’t good enough to be the centerpiece of a trade with the Leafs. If it’s a Gardiner-specific issue, the Oilers could offer a bigger guy like Martin Marincin (who has a lot of the same skills) or unsigned defender Dillon Simpson, but these are ‘more of the same’ type moves. If not for the money, a guy like Nick Schultz might appeal (as might Ladislav Smid, though the Oilers may prefer to hang on to him), but perhaps that could be worked around if the Oilers took back a contract (such as Nikolai Kulemin).

Still, it’s hard to construct a plausible scenario that would appeal to both teams, so while it might make sense for the Oilers to be interested it’s difficult to see how they get a deal done.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Jason Gregor
October 09 2013, 09:59AM
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I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

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#2 They're $hittie
October 09 2013, 09:53AM
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Don't Leafs fans and Toronto media think Yak is the return?

I thought B.C. was where all the good bud was.

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#3 Jay Gray
October 09 2013, 09:53AM
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No

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#4 Will
October 09 2013, 10:22AM
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Is there any validity to these, or is this just Bob Mac speculating on how the Oilers need better defence. Because from my perspective, everyone seems to be going off that without getting any word from Mac T on whether he is looking to make this deal.

Because it really seems like TSN is just trying to make news. I thought our D was outstanding against Winnipeg, Dubnyk single handily lost that game for the Oilers. Vancouver I can't really speak to but I would be surprised if it had nothing to do with the fact Hall and Arcebello were up against Henrick and Kesler. As for New Jersey, yes. I mean maybe our D is still struggling a little bit, but compared to last year where we'd be hemmed in for ages, and couldn't get the puck out or make an outlet pass, it's not even close.

Point being we've won one game of three, we still have key players injured. Belov was always going to take a little bit of time to adjust. And we need our goalies to make some of the saves they've been giving up. Take away Dubnyks really bad goals and suddenly we've given away 10 goals in 3 games, and won at least two of them.

As for Gardiner in Edmonton. Meh, I would rather give our defence a bit more time to see what they can do.

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#5 oilerjed
October 09 2013, 02:30PM
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Its amazing how the speculation of one dude(MacKenzie) has fueled at least 30 different sports sections today. And all of them quoting him as if he had some real insight into the matter. MacT is looking for a #1?! No 5h1t. The TSN self fulfilling prophesizing is out of control. The days of sports reporting have been replaced by sports editorials much to the dismay of reality.

And to anyone suggesting we trade YAK for anything less then A proven top 10 goal scorer in his mid 20s is assssinine. He skates like the wind, laser beam shot and is starting to take some real nice runs at people. I say move him to the top line and move Hemsky and Ebs down a notch. In Yak city the beer is cheap and girls are friendly right?

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#6 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 02:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Gardiner can be part of trade for Yak only if Reimer or Bernier are included . Dump Lababarra in package .

This would still be a horrible trade. Yak could be an elite talent that may be our best natural goal scorer, and you would consider trading him for a 2nd or 3rd pairing dman that is soft and a goalie that is likely not an upgrade on Dubnyk?

Not even close.

If you were trading a high end forward for him it would be Hemsky. Even then I don't think Gardner would be considered much of an upgrade in 2 years over what we have in the system.

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#7 OatmealSavage
October 09 2013, 11:10AM
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Absolutely, positively no for trading Yakupov for Gardiner. Gardiner at best, is a 2nd/3rd pairing dman.

No f**king way.

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#8 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
October 09 2013, 02:47PM
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I would trade for Pronger. At this point in time, he can't remember why he left here in the first place!

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#9 Whatta Mike
October 09 2013, 10:16AM
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I agree with the guys ahead of me in saying no to getting Gardiner. Although he has skill he is too much more of the same the Oilers have now....no meanness and he lacks big size to easily push out guys away from the net...which is exactly what the Oilers now need for defence.

The Oilers have puck moving guys on the team now with Petry, J. Schultz, Belov, Grebeshkov, even Ference (to a degree) and then there is Potter as well. In the AHL... the Oilers have Klefbom, Gernat, Marancin, Fedun, Hunt, etc, who are mainly bigger (except Hunt) and all can move the puck/pass it up forward easily.

If the Oilers want another defenceman he has to be a type top 1/2 guy or a very good skating big/heavy, mean, tough hard hitting SOB who lets the other team be afraid...very afraid.... in other words a type of Weber, Pronger, Subban, and/or even a Jacob Trouba kid.

BTW, the Oilers do have one top 1/2 defenceman in the future (like Trouba fo the Jets) who is big, mean, has excellent skills and can skate awesome....and his name is Nurse...Darnel Nurse.

So I say no to getting Gardiner.

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#10 Archaeologuy
October 09 2013, 10:36AM
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Gardiner would be nice to get for peanuts (not gonna happen), but the Oilers need someone better than top 4 to get a real upgrade IMO.

They arent missing 2nd pairing players, they are missing top pairing guys.

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#12 Freewheelinng Freddie
October 09 2013, 01:23PM
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No more soft players. We need some nastiness on the backend .Musil and a third that's it Toronto. Quit breathing in that smoke from mayor Ford.

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#13 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 09 2013, 10:32AM
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Sorry, double posted. Real comment is next. I feel shame

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#14 Will
October 09 2013, 01:39PM
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Without going over to the Leafs message boards, I can actually hear there fans rejecting the idea of Yak for Gardiner. Hilarious.

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#15 CaptainLander
October 09 2013, 10:17AM
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@CM

I think Klefbom (living to potential say by next year) has a skill set more to what the Oil need vs Gardiner. I think he could bring more defensively then Gardiner. If things are not wherr the need to be with Klefbom by the end of this year then I consider it.

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#16 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
October 09 2013, 10:32AM
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I agree with everything JG said. I don't see how we improve by adding 3-4 type, non-bruising defenders. From where I sit, any moves right now should revolve around getting bigger/tougher.

I'd also hate to give up a prospect like Musil. It sounds like he has the tools to fill a void on the team, with one key weakness. I hope the coaches and player development personnel have him working on his skating on a daily basis. Whether it's sprints after every game/practice or dry-land training, I believe players can get faster through hard work. It may take a couple of years, but if he wants an NHL shot, he's probably going to have to commit to improving his foot speed.

Last, in full agreement with Gregor about Yakupov. Trading him for a 3-4 D man is out of the question. Starting to wonder though, (can't blame JG for this idea) if we could get Bernier (+?) for yakupov, if that might be worth it. Knee jerk? Yup, but IF Dubbs isn't the answer, then we need to find a franchise goalie sooner rather than later

Oh yeah... And Omark for Weber

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#17 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:39AM
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@bdiddy18

It's 3 games in, and the goalies have not looked good. I am confident this is the best D we have had in years. There are certainly some kinks to work out. New players, new coach, new system, but I think you have to give them 10-15 games to work it out.

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#18 washed up
October 09 2013, 01:33PM
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Yak to Nashville for Weber,Seth jones, and Rinne. Pull the trigger MacT.

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#19 916oiler
October 09 2013, 11:54AM
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Trading Yakupov for Gardiner would be like trading Kessel for Petry. Smoke on, Toronto.

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#20 Thumby
October 09 2013, 06:07PM
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washed up wrote:

That being said, if your MacT do you call up the Jets and see if their interested in a Yakupov for Trouba straight across. I think this trade could make sense for both teams. I could see a pair of him and Nurse drastically changing the complexion of the oilers defense.

I liked Trouba's game the other night...

BUT in what universe is a kid who has one good game against your team worth a #1 overall pick sniper like the Yak?

Time will tell but Trouba could go into the tank just as fast as a Yak top chedder snapper.

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#21 WhattaMike
October 09 2013, 11:03AM
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I also want to add to my post earlier (#5) in that the Oilers do have Phillip Larsen as well who is even better i think than Gardiner at this stage and he is a little bigger too and only 23 yrs old. Then there is Dillon Simpson as well who is doing very well in his university league.

The Oilers do need more accent/accessory pieces to the team now.... and on defence... it is of adding big heavy tough mean guys who can skate well, hit hard, and have very reasonable passing abilities to move the puck.

N. Schultz will be leaving this yr in my opinion as he is old(er) and his limited type skill can be replaced by a cheaper younger very good player/prospect in the Oilers system (Davidson, Musil, etc).

Gardiner does not fit the bill as being needed or better than what the Oilers have on the team and/or in the system.

Last is that TSN and/or the Leafs are LOONY TUNES to think Yakupov is of equal type trade material to what they want or have.

First is that Hemsky is 30 yrs old and in his last big yr contract ($5 mil) and as good as he looks right now, Yak is 20 yrs only and he is going to replace him shortly as he learns more. Yak even has a better harder shot than Hemsky, is as fast (if not faster) as Hemsky, can score goals better than Hemsky, etc. he even hits more as much than Ales and I think he is a better PP.

Example is that Hemsky has only 1 hattrick since he joined the league (one in 10/11 yrs) and Yak got his first already in his first season. Case closed.

He will also need to be paid as like Hall, Ebs, RNH soon and that is where the money from Hemsky is gonna go IMO.

So those who suggest trading for Yakupov to the Leafs...for Gardiner or Bernier???? Go back to sleep and have more other dreams....

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#22 vetinari
October 09 2013, 01:27PM
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Like everything else in life, the answer to whether we should add Jake Gardiner to the mix is... it depends on the price.

I would at least talk to Toronto but insist that they would have to take back at least one defenceman (Potter? N. Schultz?) and at least another player in any trade. Preferably the parameters of the trade would be a 3 (us) for 2 (them) which would let us fill another roster hole at the same time (depth centre?) and reduce our overall number of NHL contracts. And hands off our Yak-- he's not going anywhere!

Philly and Buffalo are starting slow right now and MacT's time would be better spent knocking on those doors and trying to free up better "top-end" talent.

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#23 michael
October 09 2013, 11:08AM
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Is this April Fools? Because really its the only way that this makes any sense.

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#24 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 12:18PM
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I could see how many outsiders could view Yakupov as an extra asset. The way Eakins has used Yakupov could easily be considered indifferent. 3rd line minutes with cameo pp opportunities. Dallas certainly doesn't appear to be a fan from what we've all seen so far. This move alone may have cost the Oilers a victory over the Jets.

Time to get out the blender. 1st) RNH between Hall and Yakupov. 2nd) Eberle between Perron and Hemsky. 3rd) Gordon between Smyth and Arcobello. 4th) Acton between Gazdic and Brown.

Now that the Hall to center experiment has failed. How about giving Jordan, who expressed a willingness to give it a try an opportunity. Putting a pure shooter (64) with a playmaker (93) deserves a good long look. Send Arcobello back to the AHL. Get Eager up here to take his spot on that 3rd line RW.

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#25 OilClog
October 09 2013, 04:05PM
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Yakupov.. If Yakupov gets traded I hand in my Oilers Lifer Club Card. I've defended this team against anyone that has ever said an negative unjustified non sensible derogatory word. But if YakCity gets sent out of town, my 31years have been betrayed. Only 3 players I would trade Yakupov for. Crosby, Stamkos, Bill Ranford 1990. All impossible!

I'd have Perron or Ebs middle the 2nd line until 89's return. Nuge Hall Hemsky Ebs Perron Yak

You find some other way to acquire the "pronger" you don't trade a #1 pick to do it no matter what. If you do you should be shot.

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#26 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 04:43PM
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@OilClog

If you survived the Gretzky deal in 88, i'm sure you'd live to tell the tale of a Yakupov deal. It doesn't get any worse than that Gretzky deal. Time tested and true Oiler fans have seen their share of deals where the best player in the deal was always leaving this city.

I can really see why the Harry and djc types are just so bitter nowadays. They've got nuthin!

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#27 morgie
October 09 2013, 10:56AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

My thoughts exactly.

We don't need another smallish soft offensive D man, a river boat gambler who has diffciulty getting back into defensive postion to stop the oppositions, odd man rush back

We have two very similar players in Fedun and Larsen on the farm

Not to mention Grebs, and justin Schultz as offensive D men on the team

on top of that, to give up value to get more of the same by way of trade is addition by subtraction, no thanks!

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#28 2004Z06
October 09 2013, 01:39PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

While we're talking Toronto...

How was it Kessel got an 8 yr deal when that was supposedly limited to teams whom originally drafted the player? Thought he was limited to 7 since he was drafted by Boston and not Toronto.

Was wondering this myself.

As for Gardiner, don't be surprised if he ends up in Calgary.

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#29 washed up
October 09 2013, 02:56PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Total sarcasm. 90% of the comments on this site are mind boggling. Although there are some on here that make some really good points. It's just funny how lots want to change the dynamic of the team because there is to much of the same thing, but as soon as someone puts one of the skilled forwards not named Omark in a trade, said person must be on crack.

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#30 djc
October 09 2013, 06:28PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If you survived the Gretzky deal in 88, i'm sure you'd live to tell the tale of a Yakupov deal. It doesn't get any worse than that Gretzky deal. Time tested and true Oiler fans have seen their share of deals where the best player in the deal was always leaving this city.

I can really see why the Harry and djc types are just so bitter nowadays. They've got nuthin!

You are a sad old man who whines all day and night long on the internet. You must have such a full life considering the amount of time you spend posting your nonsense. Is this the only attention you receive from people? I can see why you can't hold down a job.

You consider yourself a "true Oiler fan"?!? Aren't you the idiot who was making fun of Pelss when he died?

Have a good night cuddling with your Weber poster, old man.

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#31 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 11:46AM
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Might as well renovate the blueline and goaltending during yet another outside looking in season.

Subtracting N.Schultz, Smid and Grabeshkov, while adding Gardiner, Dan Girardi (2014 UFA) and Darnell Nurse next season would save the Oilers about 3-4 mill next year. Let Eakins make that call on Gardiner, he would know all about Jake. Musil and Omark in exchange......done!

7 million for Smid and N.Schultz.....yikes.

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#32 Walter Sobchak
October 09 2013, 12:00PM
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I would do the trade if it were for N.Schultz, if the Oilers bought back half his salary.

I think Gardiner just needs to get the hell out of Carlyle system and he will take off.

If Gardiner crashes and burns the Oilers have enough D-men on the way up that it's a relative small risk trade.

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#33 Quicksilver ballet
October 09 2013, 01:03PM
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With the emergence of Trouba in Winnipeg, maybe Bogosian has been freed up some. He could be a top 3 guy here. [edit] scrub that, no way is he worth 5.125 per season.

Good to have an all trade talk all the time topic once a week during these difficult times.

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#34 madjam
October 09 2013, 01:23PM
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Oilers trying to get Weber here , but negotiations are tenuous as he does not know Weber or not he wants to play here . When might OKC get a victory ? 0-2 .

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#35 kawi460
October 09 2013, 02:44PM
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Might be just me, but IMO the Oilers need to get a tough physical shutdown dman that brings size and can play the game. It would be a massive trade to get a Weber/Chara here. I wouldn't mind trying to acquire a Gudbranson, Cowen, Oleskiak or Tinordi type of player. Don't know what the cost would be. To a cheaper cost maybe a Taylor Doherty.

The oilers need to get better defensively and intimidate with a massive body that plays physical with a bit of puck moving skill might be more important than acquiring another small soft puck moving dman.

Suttons presence seems missed on the roster

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#36 CM
October 09 2013, 10:04AM
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Could we build something around Klefbom?

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#37 pkam
October 09 2013, 11:53AM
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Who comes up with this joke of trading Yak straight for Gardiner should has his brain examined.

The only Leafs forward with similar quality of Yak is Kessel. You can argue Yak is unproven but he definitely has better potential than Kessel. Yak's rookie season stat is about as good as Kessel's 3rd season, the year that Leafs paid a big ransom to acquire him from Boston. Yak will probably rival Kessel current stats in a year or 2 and move ahead of him after that. Kessel is coming out of his RFA and get 8M next year. Yak still has 2 years left in his ELC and 4 years of RFA.

The Oilers defenders with similar quality of Gardiner are J. Schultz and Petry. I believe the Leafs wanted J. Schultz but the Ducks refused so they settled for Gardiner.

Does he think the Leafs will trade Kessel straight for J. Schultz? If he doesn't think so, how does it make any sense for the Oilers to trade Yak, a better version of Kessel, straight for Gardiner, a similar player to J. Schultz.

If they want Yak, simple, 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. Gardiner may get the Leafs a late 1st rounder. So Gardiner plus a 1st and 2nd rounder for Yak, if we are interested in Gardiner.

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#38 pkam
October 09 2013, 02:42PM
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Not really. I think the oilers have about 5 mil in cap space. So lets throw in Gagner, and Shultz. Keep Hemmer and offer him a contact extension at the end of the year. Arcobello can be second line center. Switch Labrabra for Dubby. Good to go.

We have about 5M because Gagner is on IR. Once Gagner returns, we will have around 1M left in cap space.

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#39 oilerjed
October 09 2013, 02:46PM
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washed up wrote:

What team would trade a Top 10 goal scorer for Yakupov?

Not sure, my point is that is all I would take for him. There is a very good chance that in the next 2-3 years he will be on that list.

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#40 916oiler
October 09 2013, 03:10PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

If Yak was on the table, we could get a lot more than that. If a gun was to my head and I had to trade the kid, I'd send him to Washington for Carlson and Wilson. Carlson is locked in at 3.9 untill 17/18 without a no trade clause. I would consider that. Washington would consider that.

You're missing the point of my statement. It was that Yakupov for Gardiner would be a severely mis-balanced trade. The Kessel for Petry part was an analogy for how bad it theoretically would be. That said, I do not agree the Carlson/Wilson idea either; keep Yak.

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#41 oilerjed
October 09 2013, 03:18PM
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washed up wrote:

I don't know how anybody could think that signing Gagner to an extension was a good move for the Oilers. Total stupidity on MacT's part.

What was wrong with the signing? If we hadnt signed Gags who would you have replaced him with?

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#42 Smokey
October 09 2013, 06:26PM
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I don't get how a player is constantly in trade talks because he can barely stick with TO, is expected to fetch like a king's ransom. People in TO only want to trade him if they get a top drawer prospect or top roster player. I don't get or buy the talk to Edmonton. I don't see a need for him, or think we need a another soft defensemen. We got Justin Schultz, and we barely afford another developing liability. We need a bruiser, Matt Green, or Smith type.

I'd rather wait for one of Klefbom or Nurse or Marincin, Gernat, or Davidson to develop.

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#43 Spoils
October 09 2013, 10:30AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I'd be leery of Gardiner. The Oilers have enough non-physical D-men. They need to add a puck mover, but one with size and strength, which Nurse should be.

I understand the argument he'd be an upgrade, potentially, over N.Schultz, but long term I think Nurse and Klefbom because of their size and skillset will be better to fill in holes on the backend.

If Leafs want to trade him for a prospect then I'd seriously look at it, but in Toronto they speculated about Yakupov. Seriously. Laughable.

There has been a lot of chatter about the millions of bottom 4D we have. As much as I loved the 4 goal 3rd period, we aren't contending this year.

Still, I believe it is time to mortgage the future (draft picks and players that won't be on the team in 3years). Trading guys that have potential before they underwhelm is one of the great ways a GM can add value.

Aren't we expecting the D to look like this when we win a cup? Klefbom was 1st team allstar at the WJC (so in the company of Alex Pietrangelo Erik Karlsson PK Subban Drew Doughty Kris Letang Ryan Suter). Nurse was a "young larry robinson" at camp.

Nurse- Klefbom Schultz- Petry Smid- (Marincin/Simpson/Gernat etc.)

If Klefbom is not the #1 guy let's package him up and trade him, but to get a bona fide #1 like a Pronger, we'll be forced to give stuff up (like maybe even a Gag, Yak or Ebs).

Priority this year should be making the call on whether or not Nurse/Schultz/Klefbom can be first team NHL All Stars norris winning cup champs.

goaltending and puzzle pieces(Gazdic(s) for example) are the trades we need to make immediately.

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#44 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:33AM
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I don't see him as an upgrade in our top 4.

With the young up and comers I don't look at him unless it is a steal. Of course I would look at a trade of Musil or N Schultz for him, but one is not proven and one is too expensive.

Does not look like a fit.

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#45 bdiddy18
October 09 2013, 10:35AM
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Allowing 15 GA in three games how could you not be considering a trade on D.

if MAC T is already looking..then kudos for addressing it before it becomes a nightmare... with Tambo he'd wait until next year to address it.

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#46 Cody anderson
October 09 2013, 10:36AM
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@Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!

Unless a top young goalie prospect falls in our lap I think you have to give Dubnyk the benefit of the doubt and let him work himself out of the funk he is in.

2 games in he has not looked like the goalie he has shown himself to be the last couple of years. Way too early to give up major assets for something that may not be an improvement over what we already have.

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#47 Hammers
October 09 2013, 10:37AM
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Face it if we want an upgrade we have to trade Smid . The most you get for N.Schultz is a 2nd rd pick at the deadline .Belov goes with Petry . Trade Smid + Fedun for Coburn @ Philly OR Smid + 2AHL players for Tyutin or that level of player.I like Smid but he is the best answer in an upgrade trade for a "D" . Agree that Gardiner is not the answer.

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#48 madjam
October 09 2013, 10:50AM
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Gardiner can be part of trade for Yak only if Reimer or Bernier are included . Dump Lababarra in package .

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#49 Oiler_lover
October 09 2013, 10:53AM
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I dont think Gardiner is not the right fit for the oilers. IMO, it is just another example of trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole. We need a d-man that is big, strong, mean and has the ability to make the right play at the right time.

No one is giving away these players, and maybe one day Nurse will be that player, but we dont have it now.

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#50 washed up
October 09 2013, 10:57AM
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Whatta Mike wrote:

I agree with the guys ahead of me in saying no to getting Gardiner. Although he has skill he is too much more of the same the Oilers have now....no meanness and he lacks big size to easily push out guys away from the net...which is exactly what the Oilers now need for defence.

The Oilers have puck moving guys on the team now with Petry, J. Schultz, Belov, Grebeshkov, even Ference (to a degree) and then there is Potter as well. In the AHL... the Oilers have Klefbom, Gernat, Marancin, Fedun, Hunt, etc, who are mainly bigger (except Hunt) and all can move the puck/pass it up forward easily.

If the Oilers want another defenceman he has to be a type top 1/2 guy or a very good skating big/heavy, mean, tough hard hitting SOB who lets the other team be afraid...very afraid.... in other words a type of Weber, Pronger, Subban, and/or even a Jacob Trouba kid.

BTW, the Oilers do have one top 1/2 defenceman in the future (like Trouba fo the Jets) who is big, mean, has excellent skills and can skate awesome....and his name is Nurse...Darnel Nurse.

So I say no to getting Gardiner.

That being said, if your MacT do you call up the Jets and see if their interested in a Yakupov for Trouba straight across. I think this trade could make sense for both teams. I could see a pair of him and Nurse drastically changing the complexion of the oilers defense.

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