THE CULTURE OF LOSING

Robin Brownlee
November 01 2013 11:20PM

"And lastly, I’ll say that there’s one other guy in hockey today that is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern."

Well, yes, as fans of the Edmonton Oilers will tell you after watching their team miss the playoffs for seven straight seasons, there is a concern -- one inflamed by the defiant words of president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe during an exchange with reporters this pre-season.

Lowe, of course, did nothing but win as a member of the Oilers. Lowe won five Stanley Cups in Edmonton, the first two coming by the time he was 25 after making the playoffs in his first six NHL seasons. He won another with the New York Rangers in 1994. Lowe knows about winning, to be sure.

It's quite a different matter when you look at the core of the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers, a group assembled during the seven seasons the team has been on the outside looking in since reaching the 2006 Stanley Cup final. It's a span, counting the first 14 games this season, in which the team has won just 217 of the 554 games played since.

Seven years out. Back-to-back last-place finishes. The only thing the Oilers have won since leaving Carolina in June of 2007 after a Game 7 loss is the NHL Entry Draft lottery, getting Nail Yakupov with their third consecutive first overall pick.

The glory days are a distant memory. The last Cup celebration in 1990 came before some of the Oilers wearing Edmonton silks now, those hailed as the future of this franchise's return to contention, were born. Those players have done nothing, it seems, but lose.

LONG TIME GONE

Taylor Hall, 21, wasn't born when Lowe and the post-Wayne Gretzky Oilers won Edmonton's fifth Cup. Neither was Jordan Eberle, 23, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Yakupov, both just 20.

Hall, in his fourth season, has played 180 regular season games without a taste of the playoffs after winning back-to-back Memorial Cups with the Windsor Spitfires. Eberle, who also broke into the NHL in 2010-11, has played 209 games. Nugent-Hopkins, in this third season, has played 114 games, while Yakupov, in his second season, is at just 60.

Beyond the youngest and biggest names on the marquee, Sam Gagner, 24, in his seventh season, has 415 games in the books without so much as a playoff game. Ladislav Smid, 27, has 471 games in eight seasons. Jeff Petry, 25, has played 170 games with the Oilers, none in the post-season.

Then, there's Ales Hemsky. Long the most offensively gifted player in Edmonton before the wave of kids arrived and injuries slowed him, Hemsky, now 30, was part of the 2006 Stanley Cup team that came within a game of making it six Cups for the Oilers. He's played 400 of the 554 games since.

THE ROAD AHEAD

With so much rich and proud history in the rear-view mirror and mostly defeat and disappointment for this franchise since 2006, is any of the above significant here and now? I think so – how can it not be? -- although I've got no way to prove it, nothing I can put my finger on with certainty.

I can't help but think about what GM Craig MacTavish said last off-season when he was talking about the possibility of moving captain Shawn Horcoff, which he did, and Hemsky.

"Both players are really at a similar crossroads," he said. "Sometimes change is good for both the organization and the player. At the same time they’re valuable players, and we’re not in a position where we’re going to be able to move them without getting something substantial in return.

"When you have been in an environment like Edmonton has had over the last little while you start, as a veteran — and maybe it’s just subconsciously — you start to lose your belief in your ability to win. Given the history with these players…"

When I juxtapose the comments by Lowe and MacTavish, it seems obvious to me one, Lowe, is somewhat detached and out of touch with the players in the dressing room today, while the other, MacTavish, fully understands the toll taken on players here these last seven years.

I wonder if any of them, be they the baby faces like Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov or more seasoned veterans like Gagner, Smid and Hemsky, are at or are approaching the kind of crossroads MacTavish spoke of. With it looking very much like it'll be eight straight years of losing, of being out of the playoffs yet again, I'd wager some are.

That possibility should send a shiver down your spine.

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#51 Serious Gord
November 02 2013, 02:08PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I've said it before and I've written it before -- Lowe and Steve Tambellini, before he was fired, built this team and put it where it is today. The failures of the past seven years falls on them. Tambellini is gone and there is no shortage of evidence Lowe should join him.

Thank you for your lack of equivocation.

So I will mark you down as one journo in EDM he says he should be fired.

I suspect Mr. Spector is in legion with you - certainly he has a pretty derisive tone when discussing Klowe but I'm not sure if he has ever outright called for his termination as POHO.

Thus you are the sole journo to recommend saying "sayonara" to anneaux six.

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#52 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 02 2013, 06:57PM
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oilredemption wrote:

I wish the oilers could be more like the flyers and push back a little after being throttled. Show some emotion. Show you care and stick up for your team. Show we aren't a bunch of girls and easy to play against. Show some damn pride...

On the topic of pride, push back, and emotion after getting throttled.......Something in me snapped backed in early October.......the Oilers got HUMILIATED in Vancouver on Saturday Oct 6th.....next game was at home against the Devils two days later.....I was at the game and strongly anticipating that their pride would kick in after that recent embarrassment .....WELL...no such luck, they came out and laid an egg in the first period....no tempo...no hitting...no EMOTION! No NOTHING! I was pissed....and even though the Oilers came back from a 3 nothing deficit to win the game.......what I remember most was what I felt we learned about their character in that first period....it was non existent.......that...more than anything is what has me worried about the makeup of this team.

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#53 Spoils
November 02 2013, 01:20AM
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The city knows how to win. This team needs to catch a wave and hold on to it.

Oh and cover when the D pinches etc.

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#54 Stacks88
November 02 2013, 02:59AM
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Right now, the Oil need a goalie to make the important stops so the kids can take some chances ,defence can be improved on later. Remember how it was in the early days with fuhr and moog? The game is different now i know but just sayin'.

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#55 Mikey
November 02 2013, 09:14AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

I don't think that hard working mentality comes from working your way up threw the ranks. A person is able to do that becuase they are a hard worker. Someone mentioned this phrase in another blog, "chip on their shoulder", that is what is missing, and you are born with that. Their is no way to fake it 41 games, let alone 82 games a year.

Guys like Toews, even tho he was picked high in the draft had some thing in his life gave him that chip. Some guys get it from being picked really late.

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#56 VK63
November 02 2013, 09:32AM
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"Sow little, reap little. Sow much, reap much. Then there are those who want to reap without sowing. This is called Entitlement."

The Oilers as an organization have validated this condition in many ways by giving young kids outrageous contracts based not on real merit but on assumed potential merit.

The odds of them getting that "educated guess" wrong are rather large considering its being made by the same guys who drove the bus into the ditch in the first place and those same guys have a vested: personal: pie in the face interest in validating themselves by giving out those contracts.

It has... for all intents and purposes... got hand grenade written all over it.

Its Oiler fans own version of a car crash... the allure of the carnage is nearly as intoxicating as the hope this organizations plight.... might: someday: change....

But in the meantime..... the arrogant posers offer... "we've got this"... look at our past history....... ~ ~please pay at the toll booth on the way in~ ~.

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all of the above.. in wanye speak.

bloo bloo bloo.

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#57 a lg dubl dubl
November 02 2013, 10:12AM
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Hammer wrote:

Correction: Great organizations come start with the top. The oilers don't have it. Knowing Sheldon Souray brother in law, was told the harassment and childless games Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini were giving Souray when he was hurt. Not once did they see him in the hospital but they had time to call him and complain and harassed him. Signs of a great organization. I feel sorry for the young talent. Young guns need to get out of Sour Oil City in order to succeed. I want them to succeed, not under Kevin Lowe or Craig Mactavish.

By call him and complain, and harass him do you mean they called to see how the injury was coming along, or can anything be done to speed up recovery?

I don't expect my boss to come see me at the hospital. Souray is a prema-dona plain and simple. Sure Dithers should have traded him for something in return instead of sending him to the minors but Souray shouldn't have gone to the media crying that they never came to the hospital.

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#58 Serious Gord
November 02 2013, 01:41PM
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Shooter wrote:

I don't have any rings except my wedding ring but somehow I do know a little something about building a winning team. Most of it is common sense. For instance, you can't have a team full of little soft skilled players. If the Oil of the 80's had been made up of 20 Wayne Gretzky's they would not have won a cup. This team has been soft for years and continued to draft and sign soft players year after year. Nobody fears the Oilers. They're the easiest team in the NHL to play against. Then they went and gave the kids huge contracts already when they haven't proven themselves. It's human nature that when you get the big bucks your give a sh*t level drops. But the Oil just handed out the money again the same way they did to everyone after the lucky 2006 cup run. Can you believe we are this bad and the team is capped out already? What a joke. Compare the best 4 forwards salaries on any other NHL team right now and then be prepared to puke. For what the Oil are going to pay Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Gags next year you could have Toews, Kane, Sharp, and Hossa for the same price level. Who would you rather have? And if you say the 4 Oilers kids you basically know nothing about hockey and how to build a winner. You could have Kopitar, Carter, Brown, and Richards for that price. You could have Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic, and Iginla for less money. Now the Oilers have dug another hole that will take years to get out of. Unless Mac T can work some magic this is going to be ugly for years to come, and I doubt he will be able to work much magic considering trades are hard to come by and he is a rookie GM.

Want to make the fan base happy Katz? Dismiss every former Oiler in the front office not named Joey Moss and spend your money on intelligent hockey minds. Since the Lowe regime began there have been a long list of available, experienced, proven hockey managers and coaches we could have grabbed along the way but here we sit with Six Rings, Howsen, Mac T (again), Bucky, Smith, and Eakins.

Oilers fans have every right to be fed up.

This is a mess.

Hell fire Joey moss too, that will show them you mean business.

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#59 Oiler Al
November 02 2013, 01:53PM
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Brownlee, you write a great article, which pretty much defines that the responsiblity should reside with the "man at the top" which would be Lowe, who is the only one that has been here throughout the 7 years of losing.

He is responsible for CRONY INC. as stands today.In a losing enviromnent, he brings back the likes of Howson, MacT, Buchberger, Smith the very same players that drove this bus into the ditch in the first place.

He can be driven,loyal to the Logo etc, but that makes him not a great NHL team builder.Anyone with an ounce of hockey knowledge will tell you , that you cant build a NHL team solely on the blades of teens/or barely and expect play offs and cups. He's done this twice now since the 06 run., with failure.

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#60 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 02 2013, 02:49PM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

Seems to me those same vets played weak and soft games as well. many a game under mact, as a coach, the players looked disinterested. Sure a couple of the players were good but overall that group didnt make many playoffs either. Won a few more games but still not many post season games (2006 year of the rake the exception).

The math is in on the greatest hockey many ever and i am afraid Lowe just sucks at running a club. To me the man to blame now is Katz for enabling this fiasco of an organization to continue it's miserable ways.

The Oilers are now a joke in the NHL

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#61 BLAKPOO
November 03 2013, 03:01AM
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dave wrote:

craig says to kevin o no I got to toss your salad again kevin darrly ate lobster last night that was brutal kevin he kept farting on me

Congrats on your "Drunkest Man on the Internet" award.

I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to mean, but right now it's more entertaining than Oilers hockey.

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#62 madjam
November 02 2013, 06:52AM
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SmokeyXIII wrote:

A few weeks ago I read a blog here about the history of trading away first overall picks. There was an example given about how Quebec was the only other team to get first overall 3 consecutive times, and they traded all of those players away within 5 years. And then won a cup.

So this week it's had me thinking that maybe we don't need to trade away Yakupov, Nuge, or Hall. Maybe we need to trade them all.

Build a team full of guys who work, don't get injured weekly, aren't broken from years of defeat.

That or add in another first overall and see what happens with another 18 year old on the team.

Your talking a direction management does not want to go . They are committed to building this team with our young core , otherwise they would have to admit to a grandiose failure of the rebuild . So it looks like we are in a catch 22 position on a bold move as you put forth . They are waiting for the fab five to turn the corner toward being in top half of league . Will it happen - I have serious reservstions about it , as results remain negative for far to long . We built unconventionally . by not doing it from backend until this year to be honest . Katz would have to install/fascilitate a whole managerial group to make your option viable . That might not be a bad thing , however . The youth on this club are just not developing enough to get positive results . They certainly have more than their few shares of short comes when it comes to their complete games . The fab 5 incomplete games is the bulk of our problems going forward if we stay in this direction as it appears we are . Right now , it's an never ending story . Will it eventually succeed - not looking good so far .

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#63 hallthetiime
November 02 2013, 09:10AM
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yak is going to be a good player he passes hard, he starts and stops hard, his shots are hard.

One thing the Pens do is all of that stuff and they play a simple game, they play there position cover each other and do it every shift.

Our team just needs to play like that for every rush and in our own end and if we do it all the time every time other teams are going to make mistakes.

keep on keeping on.

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#64 Frank the dog
November 02 2013, 09:50AM
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oilredemption wrote:

I wish the oilers could be more like the flyers and push back a little after being throttled. Show some emotion. Show you care and stick up for your team. Show we aren't a bunch of girls and easy to play against. Show some damn pride...

Hall injured his ankle trying to do that. Gags has frequently stood up against opponents way bigger than him. Jones just did that too recently. I'm hoping that Eakins finds a way to encourage that behavior.

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#65 Neal
November 02 2013, 09:51AM
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It's interesting that so many people are now coming around to realizing that this team cannot win with 6 (7 if you include 83 - it's arguable) of their big minutes guys all being smaller soft stickhandlers. Again, I really believe Mac sees this. Lowe tried to recreate The Boys On The Bus thing, but it's a different era and a different game now.

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#66 albertaboy19
November 02 2013, 09:57AM
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Oilers lose game tonight but come together as a team when an unexpected line brawl starts as the Oilers are down 5-0. Howard gets punched out by Dubnyk, Nuge gets into his first professional fight against Zetterberg Oilers rally as a team and go on a 12 game winning streak after the line brawl

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#67 Hammer
November 02 2013, 10:02AM
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Correction: Great organizations come start with the top. The oilers don't have it. Knowing Sheldon Souray brother in law, was told the harassment and childless games Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini were giving Souray when he was hurt. Not once did they see him in the hospital but they had time to call him and complain and harassed him. Signs of a great organization. I feel sorry for the young talent. Young guns need to get out of Sour Oil City in order to succeed. I want them to succeed, not under Kevin Lowe or Craig Mactavish.

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#68 Soccer Steve
November 02 2013, 10:23AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Very interesting and appreciated insight. The Average Fan, however, simply sees the one constant in all the misery.

I'm not one that grabs a megaphone and a flaming stick but I think the point that is trying to be made with calling for Lowe to resign is; What's the worst that could happen?

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#69 a lg dubl dubl
November 02 2013, 10:51AM
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EP wrote:

If he could clean up his game a little bit, he'd look good on the 4th line instead of Eager.

Indeed, either way I wouldn't mind him on the team, The Oilers need a player like that, he knows how to get the other team off their game a bit, and likes to go after the big names on other teams.

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#70 Serious Gord
November 02 2013, 11:26AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

"None of the above, of course, means Lowe deserves a pass on the failures fans have endured these last several years. He doesn't. It's not to say, "Poor Kevin. He cares so much, so look the other way and give him a break." Results matter. Always have, always will. Context, though, is important."

Fair point, but don't skip over everything else to make it. I know full well what the core issue is. Trying to add context doesn't mean I excuse the failures the organization has endured under Lowe as a manager.

IOW you won't stand in the way nor refute the merits of removing him as POHO.

Am I correct in saying that?

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#71 D
November 02 2013, 10:45AM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

Very interesting and appreciated insight. The Average Fan, however, simply sees the one constant in all the misery.

I'm not one that grabs a megaphone and a flaming stick but I think the point that is trying to be made with calling for Lowe to resign is; What's the worst that could happen?

I'm no expert, but have run a fair share of small companies over the years. Every time somebody like Lowe resigns or is fired, the organization loses institutional knowledge - whether it's something as large as strategy or as small as the minute details of a contract negotiation.

I was happy to see Tambellini go and have argued numerous times that you can't build a winner with someone who couldn't get the GM slot with the Vancouver Canucks. But even with Tambellini's departure, institutional knowledge was lost for the Oilers. MacTavish, being privy to most of that knowledge, was able to slide in easily. But there is still a loss of continuity at a business level.

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#72 Rama Lama
November 02 2013, 12:05PM
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Lowe has effectively shielded himself from criticism by elevating himself to President of Hockey Operations..........which effectively means , " please don't hold me responsible for the losing team record I'm in management ".

I personally think MacT has a better handle on hockey and non-hockey related issues than Lowe ever has. He hit one home run ( signing Chris Pronger) and has been riding that 2006 cup run ever since.

We all know that opposing teams will not give us players that we overtly covet. I like the fact that Mac T recognizes that and that drafting heavier skilled players seems to be far more prominent under his management.

I like what Regier is doing, proactively dumping non-performing or aging players, for draft picks ?

Robin, do you feel it is too early for us to start doing the same?

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#73 RexHolez
November 02 2013, 01:26PM
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@Hayek

You know there's a scroll button that you can easily use to move onto the next article. If you don't like his articles I'll show you how to use it. I for one enjoy Robin's view and musings

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#74 Ratbastis
November 03 2013, 06:29AM
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Daryl Katz is a guy who is doing nothing but being taken to the cleaners. His President (Lowe) and Mctavish (GM) are spending his money with no regard for results. He should run drug stores not hockey clubs. Clearly these guys are telling him something that keeps both of them on the payroll. They should be gone by now, and within another 10 games at this rate Eakins should go too. The players can only do what they can. If they are not talented enough, don't have the competitiveness to play in the NHL, or lack the experience to ice a good team night in, night out, its not their fault. Its up to management to decide who should play on this team and apparently they have most of it wrong. It starts at the top, Katz needs some balls and needs to get involved, or they'll bankrupt him. Already he's paying $6 mil a year to three guys who cannot justify that kind of salary. Then you have a defence corp that looks like they should still be in the AHL or ECHL. They are that bad, Ference included. Sad. No, wait. Pathetic is the word.

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#75 Frank the dog
November 02 2013, 09:38AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

I think seasoning has a lot to do with it. So does weak management.

I have seen several indications in my readings (being an outsider)that Tambellini backed the young ones over the veterans, and worse still backed the young ones over the coaching staff. So potential prevailed over hard work, the flashy play over fighting over the inches of territory and the extra seconds of puck position.

While Quinn was out of touch with the younger players, IIRC he was put out after complaints by one or more of those players.

So yes, we are stuck with the problem of softness in our core, due to the lack of seasoning in the minors. Caused in part by Tambo pulling them up too fast as a tactical fix to save his own skin. Under Tambo I would wager we would have Nurse in this team now. Under MacT, he may still rush Nurse, but at least he has him in the Juniors right now, and may have to spend an additional year in the A.

Put simply, good teams are made up of varying levels of skill and a universal work ethic in fighting to their utmost for every inch.

Our team has been one of less hard working uber talented players, and some hard working vets that were unsupported and ultimately soured by Tambo and finally gave up.

That is why, if you follow LT's blogs here and elsewhere, you will see that this time around we have strong leadership at the MacT level, and a team that now is prepared to sacrifice short term mirage like improvements, for long term competitiveness by forcing the players that are worth keeping into the work habits required to win championships.

The skilled players are having to learn the hard lesson that the team will never win their way, and they are no longer in control. This, and the usual. excessive string of injuries is why we will likely not see the playoffs but should see and increasingly better team hit the ice in the second half of this season.

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#76 Frank the dog
November 02 2013, 09:47AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Knowing Sheldon Souray brother in law, was told the harassment and childless games Kevin Lowe and Craig Mactavish were giving Souray when he was hurt.

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There are some holes in your theory. MacTavish was in Chicago (Wolves) when Souray was having a difficult time here. Craig wasn't back in the fold here till long after this issue was set in stone. It was Tambellini and Lowe ruling the roost here then.

Seems like an odd error to make, when it came to your story. It appears to be as much fabrication as it is fact, if you ask me.

But this does coincide with my observation that as a weak leader Tambo backed the young guns over the veterans and the coaches.

Hence my optimism that this year's losing record is the bitter pill we have to swallow as MacT and Eakins have the b@lls to follow through.

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#77 Hammer
November 02 2013, 10:03AM
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Frank the dog wrote:

But this does coincide with my observation that as a weak leader Tambo backed the young guns over the veterans and the coaches.

Hence my optimism that this year's losing record is the bitter pill we have to swallow as MacT and Eakins have the b@lls to follow through.

Correction Steve Tambellini Craig Mactavish was on my mind about another incident

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#78 a lg dubl dubl
November 02 2013, 10:23AM
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Kaleta is on waivers, could use a $hit disturber like that on the oilers....

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#79 EP
November 02 2013, 10:44AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Kaleta is on waivers, could use a $hit disturber like that on the oilers....

If he could clean up his game a little bit, he'd look good on the 4th line instead of Eager.

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#80 Johnnydapunk
November 02 2013, 01:14PM
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Batfink wrote:

Off topic, but how does the Gazdic non-fight get broken up for 'player safety' but the refs seem happy to let Emery repeatedly punch Holtby in the back of the head?

The Gazdic fight was the only fight the officials had to worry about whereas the Emery fight wasn't the only one going on as there was a few other fights either happening or "brewing" and it was most likely the linesmen were occupied breaking up the other fights or trying to hold players back.

I'm guessing the referee didn't go too hardcore into breaking up the fight as usually the linesmen break the fights and hold the players and he also had to pay attention to the rest of the players to determine all of the penalties that were going to be called.

I could be wrong on that, but from what I saw on the replays, that seemed to be the reasons.

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#81 hallthetime
November 02 2013, 04:04PM
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How to get traded from a NHL team.

Play Hard and get into fights so you still have value, then take penalty's at the important times during the game.

I'm sure I forgot some more steps just go ask Souray, Moreau, Stoll, Green.

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#82 rob
November 03 2013, 08:15AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I've said it before and I've written it before -- Lowe and Steve Tambellini, before he was fired, built this team and put it where it is today. The failures of the past seven years falls on them. Tambellini is gone and there is no shortage of evidence Lowe should join him.

Hey Mr.Brownlee,you think after last nights fiasco there might be a trade,a firing or something of that effect to start changing this culture and to start holding poeple accountable?

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#83 Charles Woodrow
November 03 2013, 10:23AM
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I have to disagree that Colorado and edmonton are "very similar". The huge difference is there strength at centre. We have so called very talented wingers, which is the least important position in hockey. The avs have there strength at centre. I feel so unlucky to have drafted first for three years in a row and only getting one centre. I didn't think the oilers were going to make the playoffs. I didn't think they did enough to address the d situation or the centre issues. No reason to rush into trading anyone now. We are what we are, which is a very bad hockey team with very little depth.

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#84 crobar
November 03 2013, 10:35PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

What really frosted me regarding the Edmonton sports journo institution (ESJI)(if i can call it that) was regarding the firing of Krueger and the hiring of Eakins (two decisions that clearly involved KLowe - he was in the first interview for sure and probably in subsequent contact prior to the announcement. But I digress as that is not the topic of this post).

Prior to that happening, I neither heard nor read any of the journos calling for Krueger's termination. Sure, there was some criticism of his tactical coaching abilities but no case was made by any of the ESJI for his firing. Essentially they parroted the line from oilco that a assistant should be hired to help with the tactical side.

Then out of the blue Krueger is out and Eakins is in. And miraculously the ESJI spouted forth hundreds of thousands of words describing all of kreugers failings and the necessity/merits of his sudden termination and complete removal from the organization. Which very much adhered to oilcos new position.

This was firm proof that the ESJI is either: A group of Ignorant journos who regurgitate what oilco feeds them.

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A group that knew damn well that kreuger was incompetent OR that oilco was being idiotic in its handling/decision making, but even with that knowledge, they were loyal sycophants and covered oilcos traces/ protected oilco both before and after the event.

It was a damning example of the weakness and lack of independence of the ESJI.

And I see little evidence that that level of disreputable conduct has changed in the interim. To wit, I have yet to hear or read and EDM journo oped calling for Klowes removal. Not one. Regardless of whether you support that or not, the monolithic conduct by the ESJI goes a long way towards proving their lack of backbone and their sycophancy towards oilco.

you make some EXTREMELY credible arguments

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#85 Al
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Ownership is very much to blame for the mess in Edmonton. Katz needs to hold his BFFs accountable. Lowe needs to resign. MacT and Eakins should have never been brought in. We need some experience and not of the Kevin Lowe variety. We need manaagement and coaching winners that have proven something -- Guys that have actually won something on an NHL level. Boy, what I would give to see the 2006 team take the ice over the high-end talent in Edmonton right now. Hell, I'd even take the low budget teams that were continually knocked out by Dallas in the late 90's and early 2000's (which i admit Kevin did well in constructing). It's tough to swallow for us die-hard Oil fans but the Boys on the Bus Part 2 business model just isn't working out. And, Lowe needs to do the right thing and step aside, at this point. He's done a terrible job and fan resentment is going to hit a fever pitch at this point. And, it's about time. This organization's taken advantage of an excessively loyal fanbase for way too long.

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