THE CULTURE OF LOSING

Robin Brownlee
November 01 2013 11:20PM

"And lastly, I’ll say that there’s one other guy in hockey today that is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern."

Well, yes, as fans of the Edmonton Oilers will tell you after watching their team miss the playoffs for seven straight seasons, there is a concern -- one inflamed by the defiant words of president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe during an exchange with reporters this pre-season.

Lowe, of course, did nothing but win as a member of the Oilers. Lowe won five Stanley Cups in Edmonton, the first two coming by the time he was 25 after making the playoffs in his first six NHL seasons. He won another with the New York Rangers in 1994. Lowe knows about winning, to be sure.

It's quite a different matter when you look at the core of the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers, a group assembled during the seven seasons the team has been on the outside looking in since reaching the 2006 Stanley Cup final. It's a span, counting the first 14 games this season, in which the team has won just 217 of the 554 games played since.

Seven years out. Back-to-back last-place finishes. The only thing the Oilers have won since leaving Carolina in June of 2007 after a Game 7 loss is the NHL Entry Draft lottery, getting Nail Yakupov with their third consecutive first overall pick.

The glory days are a distant memory. The last Cup celebration in 1990 came before some of the Oilers wearing Edmonton silks now, those hailed as the future of this franchise's return to contention, were born. Those players have done nothing, it seems, but lose.

LONG TIME GONE

Taylor Hall, 21, wasn't born when Lowe and the post-Wayne Gretzky Oilers won Edmonton's fifth Cup. Neither was Jordan Eberle, 23, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Yakupov, both just 20.

Hall, in his fourth season, has played 180 regular season games without a taste of the playoffs after winning back-to-back Memorial Cups with the Windsor Spitfires. Eberle, who also broke into the NHL in 2010-11, has played 209 games. Nugent-Hopkins, in this third season, has played 114 games, while Yakupov, in his second season, is at just 60.

Beyond the youngest and biggest names on the marquee, Sam Gagner, 24, in his seventh season, has 415 games in the books without so much as a playoff game. Ladislav Smid, 27, has 471 games in eight seasons. Jeff Petry, 25, has played 170 games with the Oilers, none in the post-season.

Then, there's Ales Hemsky. Long the most offensively gifted player in Edmonton before the wave of kids arrived and injuries slowed him, Hemsky, now 30, was part of the 2006 Stanley Cup team that came within a game of making it six Cups for the Oilers. He's played 400 of the 554 games since.

THE ROAD AHEAD

With so much rich and proud history in the rear-view mirror and mostly defeat and disappointment for this franchise since 2006, is any of the above significant here and now? I think so – how can it not be? -- although I've got no way to prove it, nothing I can put my finger on with certainty.

I can't help but think about what GM Craig MacTavish said last off-season when he was talking about the possibility of moving captain Shawn Horcoff, which he did, and Hemsky.

"Both players are really at a similar crossroads," he said. "Sometimes change is good for both the organization and the player. At the same time they’re valuable players, and we’re not in a position where we’re going to be able to move them without getting something substantial in return.

"When you have been in an environment like Edmonton has had over the last little while you start, as a veteran — and maybe it’s just subconsciously — you start to lose your belief in your ability to win. Given the history with these players…"

When I juxtapose the comments by Lowe and MacTavish, it seems obvious to me one, Lowe, is somewhat detached and out of touch with the players in the dressing room today, while the other, MacTavish, fully understands the toll taken on players here these last seven years.

I wonder if any of them, be they the baby faces like Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov or more seasoned veterans like Gagner, Smid and Hemsky, are at or are approaching the kind of crossroads MacTavish spoke of. With it looking very much like it'll be eight straight years of losing, of being out of the playoffs yet again, I'd wager some are.

That possibility should send a shiver down your spine.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#51 He Who Knows
November 02 2013, 01:54PM
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I love reading the articles by Brownlee and Gregor on this site. Kevin Lowe is a buffoon, I could care less about his passion, actually he can shove his passion where the sun don't shine. Burke was not kidding when he said Lowe put this organization in the gutter or something along those lines. Smith and his burger pal can also shove it. Katz buying the team was a mistake. EIG would have held Lowe accountable and kicked him out of town years ago. Jock sniffers do not make for good owners. Ask Sabres fans. Pegula is the Katz east. I digress, until next time, suck it Lowe.

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#52 nWo4life
November 02 2013, 03:44PM
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Shooter wrote:

I don't have any rings except my wedding ring but somehow I do know a little something about building a winning team. Most of it is common sense. For instance, you can't have a team full of little soft skilled players. If the Oil of the 80's had been made up of 20 Wayne Gretzky's they would not have won a cup. This team has been soft for years and continued to draft and sign soft players year after year. Nobody fears the Oilers. They're the easiest team in the NHL to play against. Then they went and gave the kids huge contracts already when they haven't proven themselves. It's human nature that when you get the big bucks your give a sh*t level drops. But the Oil just handed out the money again the same way they did to everyone after the lucky 2006 cup run. Can you believe we are this bad and the team is capped out already? What a joke. Compare the best 4 forwards salaries on any other NHL team right now and then be prepared to puke. For what the Oil are going to pay Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Gags next year you could have Toews, Kane, Sharp, and Hossa for the same price level. Who would you rather have? And if you say the 4 Oilers kids you basically know nothing about hockey and how to build a winner. You could have Kopitar, Carter, Brown, and Richards for that price. You could have Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic, and Iginla for less money. Now the Oilers have dug another hole that will take years to get out of. Unless Mac T can work some magic this is going to be ugly for years to come, and I doubt he will be able to work much magic considering trades are hard to come by and he is a rookie GM.

Want to make the fan base happy Katz? Dismiss every former Oiler in the front office not named Joey Moss and spend your money on intelligent hockey minds. Since the Lowe regime began there have been a long list of available, experienced, proven hockey managers and coaches we could have grabbed along the way but here we sit with Six Rings, Howsen, Mac T (again), Bucky, Smith, and Eakins.

Oilers fans have every right to be fed up.

This is a mess.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This team is as soft as butter. Every game it's men against boys. The Hanzal forearm shiver to Petry's face was a prime example. And not one of these ladies did anything about it.

If I see Yakupov or Hall try to skate through 2 defenders again I will vomit. Eberle needs to realize he isn't playing in the all-star game and make the simple play.

I've had enough.

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#53 Zarny
November 02 2013, 08:00PM
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Shooter wrote:

I don't have any rings except my wedding ring but somehow I do know a little something about building a winning team. Most of it is common sense. For instance, you can't have a team full of little soft skilled players. If the Oil of the 80's had been made up of 20 Wayne Gretzky's they would not have won a cup. This team has been soft for years and continued to draft and sign soft players year after year. Nobody fears the Oilers. They're the easiest team in the NHL to play against. Then they went and gave the kids huge contracts already when they haven't proven themselves. It's human nature that when you get the big bucks your give a sh*t level drops. But the Oil just handed out the money again the same way they did to everyone after the lucky 2006 cup run. Can you believe we are this bad and the team is capped out already? What a joke. Compare the best 4 forwards salaries on any other NHL team right now and then be prepared to puke. For what the Oil are going to pay Hall, Ebs, Nuge and Gags next year you could have Toews, Kane, Sharp, and Hossa for the same price level. Who would you rather have? And if you say the 4 Oilers kids you basically know nothing about hockey and how to build a winner. You could have Kopitar, Carter, Brown, and Richards for that price. You could have Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic, and Iginla for less money. Now the Oilers have dug another hole that will take years to get out of. Unless Mac T can work some magic this is going to be ugly for years to come, and I doubt he will be able to work much magic considering trades are hard to come by and he is a rookie GM.

Want to make the fan base happy Katz? Dismiss every former Oiler in the front office not named Joey Moss and spend your money on intelligent hockey minds. Since the Lowe regime began there have been a long list of available, experienced, proven hockey managers and coaches we could have grabbed along the way but here we sit with Six Rings, Howsen, Mac T (again), Bucky, Smith, and Eakins.

Oilers fans have every right to be fed up.

This is a mess.

I don't disagree with your sentiment; but also consider it's human nature for the expectations of big contracts to overwhelm players.

There is no question that today the 4 Oilers kids are not at the same level as Toews, Kane, Sharp and Hossa. But that's not surprising. You're talking about a much more experienced group of men.

I think there are a few things to consider.

You can't have Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic and Iginla. Bos has them. Ditto for Toews, Kane, Sharp and Hossa. Can't have them. Chi won't give them up.

You have to find your own players. The anticipation is that Hall, Eberle, Nuge and Yakupov can get to that level.

That's not unreasonable. Hall was only 5 pt behind Kane last year. He beat Toews. Ebs had 76 pt in 78 games. Nuge had 52 pt in 62 games as a rookie. You're right they haven't proven exactly how good they can be but they've proven to be very good.

And capping them all at $6M long term mitigates risk.

Hall was on pace for 91 pts last year. That's better than Tavares' 3rd year. Nuge and Yak have only played 114 and 60 games.

It's entirely possible that 1 or 2 might not quite live up to $6M/yr but they won't be far off. And it's entirely possible 1 or 2 could be real bargains at $6M/yr in 2-3 years.

For a city like Edm which is one rung above Buffalo for least desired free agent destination that's not a bad bet. And even if you had to trade them all totally doable.

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#54 Loweblows
November 02 2013, 09:03AM
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Calgary rookie monahan has 7 goals-thats tha same as yakupov, hall and rnh cobined-sad very sad indeed

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#55 vetinari
November 02 2013, 09:22AM
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I said it before-- right now our stars refuse to play as units, night after night, and our record is a product of that. What we need is a 250 pound grinder-- not to scare the other team but to scare our guys into playing as a team.

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#56 Andy P
November 02 2013, 09:38AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

I think seasoning has a lot to do with it. So does weak management.

I have seen several indications in my readings (being an outsider)that Tambellini backed the young ones over the veterans, and worse still backed the young ones over the coaching staff. So potential prevailed over hard work, the flashy play over fighting over the inches of territory and the extra seconds of puck position.

While Quinn was out of touch with the younger players, IIRC he was put out after complaints by one or more of those players.

So yes, we are stuck with the problem of softness in our core, due to the lack of seasoning in the minors. Caused in part by Tambo pulling them up too fast as a tactical fix to save his own skin. Under Tambo I would wager we would have Nurse in this team now. Under MacT, he may still rush Nurse, but at least he has him in the Juniors right now, and may have to spend an additional year in the A.

Put simply, good teams are made up of varying levels of skill and a universal work ethic in fighting to their utmost for every inch.

Our team has been one of less hard working uber talented players, and some hard working vets that were unsupported and ultimately soured by Tambo and finally gave up.

That is why, if you follow LT's blogs here and elsewhere, you will see that this time around we have strong leadership at the MacT level, and a team that now is prepared to sacrifice short term mirage like improvements, for long term competitiveness by forcing the players that are worth keeping into the work habits required to win championships.

The skilled players are having to learn the hard lesson that the team will never win their way, and they are no longer in control. This, and the usual. excessive string of injuries is why we will likely not see the playoffs but should see and increasingly better team hit the ice in the second half of this season.

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#57 Soccer Steve
November 02 2013, 10:23AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Very interesting and appreciated insight. The Average Fan, however, simply sees the one constant in all the misery.

I'm not one that grabs a megaphone and a flaming stick but I think the point that is trying to be made with calling for Lowe to resign is; What's the worst that could happen?

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#58 Oiler Al
November 02 2013, 01:53PM
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Brownlee, you write a great article, which pretty much defines that the responsiblity should reside with the "man at the top" which would be Lowe, who is the only one that has been here throughout the 7 years of losing.

He is responsible for CRONY INC. as stands today.In a losing enviromnent, he brings back the likes of Howson, MacT, Buchberger, Smith the very same players that drove this bus into the ditch in the first place.

He can be driven,loyal to the Logo etc, but that makes him not a great NHL team builder.Anyone with an ounce of hockey knowledge will tell you , that you cant build a NHL team solely on the blades of teens/or barely and expect play offs and cups. He's done this twice now since the 06 run., with failure.

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#59 Serious Gord
November 02 2013, 02:08PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I've said it before and I've written it before -- Lowe and Steve Tambellini, before he was fired, built this team and put it where it is today. The failures of the past seven years falls on them. Tambellini is gone and there is no shortage of evidence Lowe should join him.

Thank you for your lack of equivocation.

So I will mark you down as one journo in EDM he says he should be fired.

I suspect Mr. Spector is in legion with you - certainly he has a pretty derisive tone when discussing Klowe but I'm not sure if he has ever outright called for his termination as POHO.

Thus you are the sole journo to recommend saying "sayonara" to anneaux six.

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#60 hallthetime
November 02 2013, 04:04PM
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How to get traded from a NHL team.

Play Hard and get into fights so you still have value, then take penalty's at the important times during the game.

I'm sure I forgot some more steps just go ask Souray, Moreau, Stoll, Green.

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#61 6 ring circus
November 02 2013, 07:13PM
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Danny Maciocia and Kevin Lowe are to blame for ruining Edmonton's once great and proud sports franchises!!!Unfortunately for Eskimos and Oiler's fans, it will be years before both these teams recover from managements stupidity and ego's!!!

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#62 BLAKPOO
November 03 2013, 03:01AM
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dave wrote:

craig says to kevin o no I got to toss your salad again kevin darrly ate lobster last night that was brutal kevin he kept farting on me

Congrats on your "Drunkest Man on the Internet" award.

I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to mean, but right now it's more entertaining than Oilers hockey.

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#63 Ratbastis
November 03 2013, 06:29AM
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Daryl Katz is a guy who is doing nothing but being taken to the cleaners. His President (Lowe) and Mctavish (GM) are spending his money with no regard for results. He should run drug stores not hockey clubs. Clearly these guys are telling him something that keeps both of them on the payroll. They should be gone by now, and within another 10 games at this rate Eakins should go too. The players can only do what they can. If they are not talented enough, don't have the competitiveness to play in the NHL, or lack the experience to ice a good team night in, night out, its not their fault. Its up to management to decide who should play on this team and apparently they have most of it wrong. It starts at the top, Katz needs some balls and needs to get involved, or they'll bankrupt him. Already he's paying $6 mil a year to three guys who cannot justify that kind of salary. Then you have a defence corp that looks like they should still be in the AHL or ECHL. They are that bad, Ference included. Sad. No, wait. Pathetic is the word.

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#64 rob
November 03 2013, 08:15AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I've said it before and I've written it before -- Lowe and Steve Tambellini, before he was fired, built this team and put it where it is today. The failures of the past seven years falls on them. Tambellini is gone and there is no shortage of evidence Lowe should join him.

Hey Mr.Brownlee,you think after last nights fiasco there might be a trade,a firing or something of that effect to start changing this culture and to start holding poeple accountable?

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#65 VK63
November 02 2013, 01:08AM
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yes... there is a lot of inertia that comes from playing with so much indifference for such a long time.

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#66 Ari Gold
November 02 2013, 01:15AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

I would do ANYTHING to see a guy like Jason Smith on the Oil right now. Bloody anything.

Seriously,

Anything.

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#67 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 02 2013, 05:43AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

Moreau and Hall were never on the same Oiler team but I see what you're getting at. Personally, I think the beginning of this turd parade was when we started chasing after big names like PenneR, Jagr, Nylander! Heatly etc.

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#68 madjam
November 02 2013, 06:52AM
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SmokeyXIII wrote:

A few weeks ago I read a blog here about the history of trading away first overall picks. There was an example given about how Quebec was the only other team to get first overall 3 consecutive times, and they traded all of those players away within 5 years. And then won a cup.

So this week it's had me thinking that maybe we don't need to trade away Yakupov, Nuge, or Hall. Maybe we need to trade them all.

Build a team full of guys who work, don't get injured weekly, aren't broken from years of defeat.

That or add in another first overall and see what happens with another 18 year old on the team.

Your talking a direction management does not want to go . They are committed to building this team with our young core , otherwise they would have to admit to a grandiose failure of the rebuild . So it looks like we are in a catch 22 position on a bold move as you put forth . They are waiting for the fab five to turn the corner toward being in top half of league . Will it happen - I have serious reservstions about it , as results remain negative for far to long . We built unconventionally . by not doing it from backend until this year to be honest . Katz would have to install/fascilitate a whole managerial group to make your option viable . That might not be a bad thing , however . The youth on this club are just not developing enough to get positive results . They certainly have more than their few shares of short comes when it comes to their complete games . The fab 5 incomplete games is the bulk of our problems going forward if we stay in this direction as it appears we are . Right now , it's an never ending story . Will it eventually succeed - not looking good so far .

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#69 Batfink
November 02 2013, 07:46AM
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Off topic, but how does the Gazdic non-fight get broken up for 'player safety' but the refs seem happy to let Emery repeatedly punch Holtby in the back of the head?

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#70 Mikey
November 02 2013, 09:14AM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

I don't think that hard working mentality comes from working your way up threw the ranks. A person is able to do that becuase they are a hard worker. Someone mentioned this phrase in another blog, "chip on their shoulder", that is what is missing, and you are born with that. Their is no way to fake it 41 games, let alone 82 games a year.

Guys like Toews, even tho he was picked high in the draft had some thing in his life gave him that chip. Some guys get it from being picked really late.

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#71 Ari Gold
November 02 2013, 09:39AM
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To all those stressing patience, I urge you to compare the Oilers to the Aves. Top to bottom the teams aren't terribly different.

How has Roy been able to get these results from his team after a terrible last season? Why does it appear that Eakins has zero effect on the team?

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#72 Andy P
November 02 2013, 09:47AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Knowing Sheldon Souray brother in law, was told the harassment and childless games Kevin Lowe and Craig Mactavish were giving Souray when he was hurt.

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There are some holes in your theory. MacTavish was in Chicago (Wolves) when Souray was having a difficult time here. Craig wasn't back in the fold here till long after this issue was set in stone. It was Tambellini and Lowe ruling the roost here then.

Seems like an odd error to make, when it came to your story. It appears to be as much fabrication as it is fact, if you ask me.

But this does coincide with my observation that as a weak leader Tambo backed the young guns over the veterans and the coaches.

Hence my optimism that this year's losing record is the bitter pill we have to swallow as MacT and Eakins have the b@lls to follow through.

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#73 Andy P
November 02 2013, 09:50AM
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oilredemption wrote:

I wish the oilers could be more like the flyers and push back a little after being throttled. Show some emotion. Show you care and stick up for your team. Show we aren't a bunch of girls and easy to play against. Show some damn pride...

Hall injured his ankle trying to do that. Gags has frequently stood up against opponents way bigger than him. Jones just did that too recently. I'm hoping that Eakins finds a way to encourage that behavior.

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#74 oilfaninvic
November 02 2013, 10:57AM
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@gongshow

Regarding Kevin Lowe:

I think he knows a thing or two about losing at this stage of his Oiler's presidency.

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#75 Andrew
November 02 2013, 12:29PM
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If 'he of the six rings' is so driven to win you would think by now he'd have got his crap together and built an organization that was at the very least competitive. I don't know what your vantage point is but I don't think you and many Oiler fans are on the same book let alone the same page.

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#76 Shooter
November 02 2013, 01:05PM
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@Serious Gord

The media are scared to call out Six Rings Lowe or anyone else in management because if they do, they will be barred from the dressing room. Six Rings runs the Oilers like a communist country. Say anything negative about the job their doing and you will be banished. Lowe should have been canned back when he was GM. He did a horrible and instead of being fired or demoted he was promoted to president? That's about the time when the Oilers started to become a joke in the NHL and the laughs just keep on coming. It's ok though Six Rings, I'm allowed to complain because I'm one of the paying customers.

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#77 Johnnydapunk
November 02 2013, 01:14PM
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Batfink wrote:

Off topic, but how does the Gazdic non-fight get broken up for 'player safety' but the refs seem happy to let Emery repeatedly punch Holtby in the back of the head?

The Gazdic fight was the only fight the officials had to worry about whereas the Emery fight wasn't the only one going on as there was a few other fights either happening or "brewing" and it was most likely the linesmen were occupied breaking up the other fights or trying to hold players back.

I'm guessing the referee didn't go too hardcore into breaking up the fight as usually the linesmen break the fights and hold the players and he also had to pay attention to the rest of the players to determine all of the penalties that were going to be called.

I could be wrong on that, but from what I saw on the replays, that seemed to be the reasons.

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#78 RexHolez
November 02 2013, 01:26PM
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@Hayek

You know there's a scroll button that you can easily use to move onto the next article. If you don't like his articles I'll show you how to use it. I for one enjoy Robin's view and musings

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#79 Johnnydapunk
November 02 2013, 01:53PM
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The one thing that firing KLowe could bring albeit in an indirect way is a bit of a wake up call to the rest of the Management and coaching staff that they have to be accountable for the results, which I don't think they feel that they are. You have Eakins benching players to make sure they are accountable for their actions and his big mantra is accountability, but the management don't seem to have to worry as old 6Rings seems to be keeping everything the way it is.

Personally, I am alright with what Eakins is doing, he has a bunch of young players who were used to being the stars and not have to worry about playing a complete game as they were the "scoring heroes" in junior. They need to learn to play a complete game and I think that Eakins is the man to teach them that as he has had experience in developing players. I don't think the Oil Have had that type of coach in ages. Eakins will also make mistakes as it is also his first year as an NHL coach, but he will also learn.

My expectations are insanely low so I'm not overtly worked up about the lack of results and I will be shocked and impressed if they actually make the playoffs.

It could also be that I remember as a small child watching the Oilers and how they were the best team in the world, they were the gods of hockey. Rules were changed because the Oil were so dominant. Those times made me so happy and those memories also make me happy. Fans from Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa or Winnipeg have never had a team like the Oilers, Fans from Toronto and Montreal did, but you're going back 50 some years to find teams that were as dominant as the Oil were in the mid 80s. All of that makes me still feel alright to be an Oiler fan, and I know the winning will come someday soon.

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#81 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 02 2013, 02:49PM
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gongshow wrote:

Here's an observation. Would love to hear feedback on it:

A few yeara back when it sounded like there was a fractured dressing room with the vets (Moreau and co.) on one side and the kids (Taylor and friends) on the other side, something apparently had to give. Tambo made his choice and sent the vets packing.

At the time I thought 'good riddance to get rid of these old guys who must be soiling the dressing room with their bad attitudes'. Now, in retrospect, I wonder if the old dudes with less talent but huge work ethic that dragged a team of grinders to within a win of Cup #6 weren't the voice of reason and the beacon of hockey common sense. Is it possible that Tambo chose to run with the dark side?

There aren't many present Oilers who will battle for an inch in the crease, who will block a shot with their face etc. Strikingly, the top 6 and muck if the D corps are lacking these types. Does working one's way up through the system create a stronger work ethic? Does being a highly touted draft puck that skips the seasoning in the minors lead to a sense of unwarranted entitlement?

How good would younger versions of Moreau, Horcoff, Pisani, Reasoner, Jason Smith, Staios, Rollie etc look in Oil silks right now.

Maybe the old guys were the problem.... Then again, is it possible that the answer is maybe not?

I have no insider knowledge of the current workings of the dressing room. Just wondering.

Seems to me those same vets played weak and soft games as well. many a game under mact, as a coach, the players looked disinterested. Sure a couple of the players were good but overall that group didnt make many playoffs either. Won a few more games but still not many post season games (2006 year of the rake the exception).

The math is in on the greatest hockey many ever and i am afraid Lowe just sucks at running a club. To me the man to blame now is Katz for enabling this fiasco of an organization to continue it's miserable ways.

The Oilers are now a joke in the NHL

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#82 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 02 2013, 06:57PM
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oilredemption wrote:

I wish the oilers could be more like the flyers and push back a little after being throttled. Show some emotion. Show you care and stick up for your team. Show we aren't a bunch of girls and easy to play against. Show some damn pride...

On the topic of pride, push back, and emotion after getting throttled.......Something in me snapped backed in early October.......the Oilers got HUMILIATED in Vancouver on Saturday Oct 6th.....next game was at home against the Devils two days later.....I was at the game and strongly anticipating that their pride would kick in after that recent embarrassment .....WELL...no such luck, they came out and laid an egg in the first period....no tempo...no hitting...no EMOTION! No NOTHING! I was pissed....and even though the Oilers came back from a 3 nothing deficit to win the game.......what I remember most was what I felt we learned about their character in that first period....it was non existent.......that...more than anything is what has me worried about the makeup of this team.

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#83 Charles Woodrow
November 03 2013, 10:23AM
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I have to disagree that Colorado and edmonton are "very similar". The huge difference is there strength at centre. We have so called very talented wingers, which is the least important position in hockey. The avs have there strength at centre. I feel so unlucky to have drafted first for three years in a row and only getting one centre. I didn't think the oilers were going to make the playoffs. I didn't think they did enough to address the d situation or the centre issues. No reason to rush into trading anyone now. We are what we are, which is a very bad hockey team with very little depth.

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#84 crobar
November 03 2013, 10:35PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

What really frosted me regarding the Edmonton sports journo institution (ESJI)(if i can call it that) was regarding the firing of Krueger and the hiring of Eakins (two decisions that clearly involved KLowe - he was in the first interview for sure and probably in subsequent contact prior to the announcement. But I digress as that is not the topic of this post).

Prior to that happening, I neither heard nor read any of the journos calling for Krueger's termination. Sure, there was some criticism of his tactical coaching abilities but no case was made by any of the ESJI for his firing. Essentially they parroted the line from oilco that a assistant should be hired to help with the tactical side.

Then out of the blue Krueger is out and Eakins is in. And miraculously the ESJI spouted forth hundreds of thousands of words describing all of kreugers failings and the necessity/merits of his sudden termination and complete removal from the organization. Which very much adhered to oilcos new position.

This was firm proof that the ESJI is either: A group of Ignorant journos who regurgitate what oilco feeds them.

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A group that knew damn well that kreuger was incompetent OR that oilco was being idiotic in its handling/decision making, but even with that knowledge, they were loyal sycophants and covered oilcos traces/ protected oilco both before and after the event.

It was a damning example of the weakness and lack of independence of the ESJI.

And I see little evidence that that level of disreputable conduct has changed in the interim. To wit, I have yet to hear or read and EDM journo oped calling for Klowes removal. Not one. Regardless of whether you support that or not, the monolithic conduct by the ESJI goes a long way towards proving their lack of backbone and their sycophancy towards oilco.

you make some EXTREMELY credible arguments

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#85 Al
November 03 2013, 11:56PM
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Ownership is very much to blame for the mess in Edmonton. Katz needs to hold his BFFs accountable. Lowe needs to resign. MacT and Eakins should have never been brought in. We need some experience and not of the Kevin Lowe variety. We need manaagement and coaching winners that have proven something -- Guys that have actually won something on an NHL level. Boy, what I would give to see the 2006 team take the ice over the high-end talent in Edmonton right now. Hell, I'd even take the low budget teams that were continually knocked out by Dallas in the late 90's and early 2000's (which i admit Kevin did well in constructing). It's tough to swallow for us die-hard Oil fans but the Boys on the Bus Part 2 business model just isn't working out. And, Lowe needs to do the right thing and step aside, at this point. He's done a terrible job and fan resentment is going to hit a fever pitch at this point. And, it's about time. This organization's taken advantage of an excessively loyal fanbase for way too long.

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