THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES

Lowetide
November 11 2013 09:41AM

The Edmonton Oilers are in a bad spot now, and with a 4-13-2 record to start the season you would be reading some 'fire the coach' articles by now if this were any other franchise. The thing is, they've done that already, seemingly every summer since 2009. I guess they could fire a coach in-season, but I don't think that is going to happen. The alternative? A wild and crazy ride.

Do you remember the famous line uttered by every GM who ever fired a coach? It goes "well, you can't fire all 23 players" and is followed by knowing nods from all gathered for the media conference. I think we're about the see the reverse, kind of a "well, you can't fire 23 coaches" plan.

It started with Ladislav Smid. Dallas Eakins didn't give him a lot of time on the Smid-Petry tandem and honestly Smid's skill set doesn't really fit the Eakins template (get puck, move puck, rinse, repeat) for puck handling. The Oilers sent away Smid partly for cap savings into the next seasons, and that may be the case with more players as the MacT-Eakins tandem makes more final decisions on who can and cannot handle the Eakins way.

Sam Gagner may be in some peril as a center in this system. It's early, and he's coming back from injury, but he's been exposed on this road trip by eye and by math--he's not in good positions, doesn't win enough battles and when he's not helping offensively 89 doesn't do enough without the puck to warrant top line minutes.

Dallas Eakins is the first coach in forever Edmonton has employed to deliver results without worrying too much about talent development. Eakins has to nurse Yakupov a little, but other than that it's a results oriented business and those who can't or won't will be shot out of a cannon to their new home.

Bottom line: Dallas Eakins has a right to ask each player on the ice to be defensively responsible. We've been talking about systems but these aren't new ideas brought from Mars, these are defensive tactics that require a player to adjust to the situation and mark his man. The results so far show some players have been able to adjust and flourish despite some stumbles, and others appear lost. Gagner has played far fewer games than the others, so there may be a sense that he can recover over time--however, at some point he's going to pay for indifference or inability with lost playing time, a change in position, or a ticket out of town.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It began with Belov replacing Smid on the top 4, and resulted in Smid being sent away. Next step: Mark Arcobello at center, Gagner to the wing. The Edmonton Oilers have lost the season already and that is a horrible reality. The next logical step is to refine the roster to better reflect Dallas Eakins, culling those who don't fit and adding those who are a better match.

Stay close to your internet, this is going to get choppy.

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#1 Jg
November 11 2013, 12:06PM
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I hope we get that piece of **** Gagner out of edmonton before his NTC kicks him. I don't care how, he can have a career ending injury for all I care. For someone who's name means win in french, he sure knows how to lose us lot of games. Get that ***hole, send him on the plane.

My only hope is that Mr Bagdi in the KHL pans out. Big, strong, 10 points in 22 games.

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#2 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 11:43AM
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Quick poll: Would you trade away Gagner, Eberle, Justin Schultz and David Perron IF if it resulted in that the team would make playoffs?

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#3 TheLines
November 11 2013, 11:44AM
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Oilers lines if I was coach 1.Hall-RNH-Yakupov 2.Perron-Gagner-Eberle 3.Joensuu-Gordon-Hemsky 4.Smyth-Arcobello-Jones D 1. N.Schultz-Petry D 2. Belov-J.Schultz D 3. Ference-Klefbom That's right KLEFBOM, bring in some more size get rid of these midget defenders.

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#4 GagnerISGREAT
November 11 2013, 11:34AM
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Do you people actually believe what you are seeing from Gagner is how he will stay? This blog is full of idiots. He shouldn't be playing. That's the problem. He rushed back because of the record. He can't take or throw a hit because of his jaw. People calling him soft are stupid. He and Perron are the only ones with grit in the top 6. Before the jaw Gagner regularly threw a hit and has 4-5 NHL fights (I don't know the exact number) His faceoff percentage? He's had great games and terrible games. That face mask DOES effect it a lot. If you think it doesn't put one on and see how it effects your vision. Wait until he's 100% and has that mask off. Than the Gagner we know will be back.

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#5 TayLordBalls
November 11 2013, 11:42AM
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Coach Eakins,

please play Hall, Eberle and RNH together

You won't be disappointed!

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#6 michael
November 11 2013, 01:38PM
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Stamko's definitely fubared his leg. Broke? If it is there is a monster opportunity for MacT. Team Canada will be weaker with his loss. Opportunity knocks for Eberle.

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#7 michael
November 11 2013, 11:25AM
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D-Unit wrote:

I would be happy with Gagner playing 3rd line wing. Preferably with any other team in the NHL. I don't know how you convince any other team to pay him $4.8 to do that though. Gagner is just one of many cases of the Oilers putting more value into their players than the rest of the league would.

Why bring in Andrew Ference and make him captain if your going to give Gagner 4.8 million and tell him essentially he is a core guy? Blows my mind that Gagner was not given the C considering that he has doe and said all the right things in terms of propping up this team in hard times. It like talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. Eakins/MacT's message to the core younger players is your not ready yet to take on that role and responsibility. For me Ference is an excellent role model but coming in cold into a room where you know no one and being asked to lead them just does not work. Where is the trust? The we've been in this together mentality? The sense of kinship. Brotherhood.

Giving Gagner the 4.8 million isn't an issue for me. Not giving him the captaincy was, is and will be for me. It sent the wrong message. Leadership comes from within. Its earned through tough times and good times. Gagner earned that I believe.

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#8 oildrops
November 11 2013, 01:08PM
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DSF wrote:

Looks like it might be a broken leg.

He crashed into the net.

it came three games too late. That's to bad for team Canada though

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#9 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 12:09PM
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Rheal1 wrote:

Quick poll: Would you trade away Gagner, Eberle, Justin Schultz and David Perron IF if it resulted in that the team would make playoffs?

Wow!!!! Not even 30 minutes in and 7 trashes! I suspect that some fans deserve the team they cheer for.

Boldness = results

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#10 DSF
November 11 2013, 12:14PM
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Old School G wrote:

Where Laddy was one dimensional as a defenceman, Gagnger is one dimensional as a forward. Eakins system seems to demand multi functional players. This could take a while.

To be honest, Gagner isn't all that great offensively either.

7 years into his pro career he has yet to hit 50 points.

In the last full NHL season, 100 players hit the 50+ mark...many of them defensemen.

McTavish handing him that $4.8M contract for 3 years AND a NTC clause is an epic failure.

You can get Gagner level offensive production AND defensive acumen for, far, far less.

For example, Vancouver signed Mike Santorelli (5G 7A 12P +2 56.7FO%) who also is a great PK'er for $550K.

Now, I doubt Santorelli is likely long term solution at #2C for the Canucks but then Gagner isn't a long term solution at #2C for the Oilers either.

The notion of moving Gagner to the wing with his mediocre offence and limp defense makes no sense either.

He can't win puck battles on the boards and often ends up on his pants.

He IS Kyle Wellwood.

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#11 D-Unit
November 11 2013, 09:59AM
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LT, I agree that Gagner should be done at centre, but he never should have been playing there in the first place, his entire career, not just this year. But that speaks to the Oilers problem as a whole. Put guys in positions they can't or shouldn't play because the coach has no options. I also agree, don't get rid of Eakins, but even if they did, what experienced coach would want to come into this mess? Deal with so many prima donna players who refuse to buy into any system.

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#12 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 10:36AM
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There are certainties regarding this mess called the Oilers; 1. The Oilers are mismanaged. 2. The Oilers make tons of money for Katz. 3. These young players don't give a damn any longer. 4. Ference is not the leader needed. 5. The hiring of Eakins was a mistake. 6. The hiring of MacT was a mistake. 7. Kevin Lowe will be at his job in April. 8. The Oilers will not make the playoffs. 9. The Oilers will draft a top 5 again. 10. WE all pray for Bryzgalov to turn this thing around.

A few recommendations: Stop going to the games, or booh the team and boycott the merchandise. That will hurt the owner.

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#13 Stang
November 11 2013, 09:44AM
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This team needs an enimea. FIRE LOWE!!

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#14 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:13AM
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michael wrote:

Ganger IMO should be playing 3rd line wing until he is up to speed. Physically and mentally. Arcobello have show he can produce as a 2cd line center. Small window of games. But Arco sure did let the play die on his stick. And his FO numbers were a step up on Gagners. Till we get McDadvid....

I wish I could say Gagner is the new Horcoff...but I can't ....Horcoff had talent , could win a face off, played a two way game, and had a little grit.

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#15 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 10:44AM
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Half the roster is AHL caliber at best

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#16 Fresh Mess
November 11 2013, 11:42AM
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Loose-lips Mactavish is going to have to admit he made some bad mistakes and change his thinking on a few players(Ganger,Grebeshkov,Fail Yakpupov), otherwise he will be a write off just like the Oiler's season.

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#17 OilFanInVan
November 11 2013, 01:20PM
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Maybe Smid was Craig McTavish's Jason Giambi*. We don't know what might have happened in the dressing room. We do know Smid has said some things recently to reporters...

* Watch Moneyball if you don't get the reference

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#18 Smokey
November 11 2013, 10:04AM
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Lowetide,

If the Oilers were so insistent on signing our Comrad, could they not of sent say a couple players to the minors like Schultz and Jones and retained the mandated portion of their salary against the cap and still had room to sign Bryzgalov? Cause I don't get why any organization would take 30 cents on the dollar for a player I believe 29 other teams would see value in. It doesn't seem well thought out at all, or make sense. There had to be other options?

Secondly, why did we have to give Bryz 1.75? Was he not willing to take a check for 800k to 1m just to get back in the bigs? I don't get having to sacrifice Smid for him, and having to pay a goalie that much, when it appeared no one wanted him. Rich Winter looks brilliant squeezing the Oilers for that.

Lastly, do you see another trade coming, which might make sense of this leaching? Cause if not we gave away a player for a tweener who won't help us win. Smid was not a complete defenseman. He lacked in his ability to make plays, but all these puck movers we have lack a certain defensive acumen.

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#19 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 12:07PM
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GagnerISGREAT wrote:

Do you people actually believe what you are seeing from Gagner is how he will stay? This blog is full of idiots. He shouldn't be playing. That's the problem. He rushed back because of the record. He can't take or throw a hit because of his jaw. People calling him soft are stupid. He and Perron are the only ones with grit in the top 6. Before the jaw Gagner regularly threw a hit and has 4-5 NHL fights (I don't know the exact number) His faceoff percentage? He's had great games and terrible games. That face mask DOES effect it a lot. If you think it doesn't put one on and see how it effects your vision. Wait until he's 100% and has that mask off. Than the Gagner we know will be back.

Can you explain the last six years of play? Before he broke his jaw.

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#20 oildrops
November 11 2013, 03:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Aaron Ward ✔ @aaronward_nhl

Source, Steven Stamkos has broken tibia. Told will require surgery. #TSN

In my post earlier on lowetides article NEXT!.

I mention how to play Stamkos(post#125)

Boston took him out like I said the oilers should have done then score two goals right after to win the game, that's what Edmonton should have done.

The only reason I bring this up is because I made a few more point that are correct and I still get trashed.

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#21 albertaboy19
November 11 2013, 09:57AM
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The oilers need a top 2 dman and need it badly. Do we wait and choose one in the draft and probably sacrifice another season or 2 of losing? With the kids having not tasted victory, I honestly believe they will get tired of losing and want to leave the organization. I think you need to use that top pick, and dangle one of the kids and get yourself a dman. I think a guy like Weber may be traded if the right package comes along and how can you deny a top 3 pick and a young gun like Eberle or Yakupov in a trade.

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#22 Woogie63
November 11 2013, 10:12AM
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Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

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#23 michael
November 11 2013, 10:31AM
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D-Unit wrote:

LT, I agree that Gagner should be done at centre, but he never should have been playing there in the first place, his entire career, not just this year. But that speaks to the Oilers problem as a whole. Put guys in positions they can't or shouldn't play because the coach has no options. I also agree, don't get rid of Eakins, but even if they did, what experienced coach would want to come into this mess? Deal with so many prima donna players who refuse to buy into any system.

Ganger IMO should be playing 3rd line wing until he is up to speed. Physically and mentally. Arcobello have show he can produce as a 2cd line center. Small window of games. But Arco sure did let the play die on his stick. And his FO numbers were a step up on Gagners. Till we get McDadvid....

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#24 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 10:31AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

Mt dream team and remember it is a dream:

Scotty Bowman in Lowe's spot.

Lou Lamoriello in MacT's spot.

Mike Babcock in Eakin's spot

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#25 DSF
November 11 2013, 12:48PM
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Randaman wrote:

Your take on the Smid trade is short sighted in my opinion. I think you will be impressed when you see Horak play and Brossoit is a much better prospect than Roy I think. 3.5 off the books for a slow, poor puck handling (yes, he had grit) defence man that couldn't fit into the scheme is fine with me. I wish him the best though, he was a good soldier but something has to give and I am sure some of us will not agree with the trades to come when they happen. Par for the course. See what I did there with the golf reference. Come on, that's funny.

Horak couldn't make the Calgary Flames roster.

He was 7th on a good Abbotsford team in scoring with 2 goals in 13 games and -2.

Rookie Corban Knight has twice as many points, 6 goals and is +7.

MacT traded an actual NHL player (and I'm not a big Smid fan) for the type of player you can pick off the waiver wire or the remainder bin in free agency and some magic beans.

Having $3.5M off the books is useless unless you use it.

Dumb trade.

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#26 Randaman
November 11 2013, 12:58PM
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DSF wrote:

Then what?

If the Oilers continue to stink for the rest of the season, what do you do next?

I guess that would depend on who is available. Maybe a veteran coach with Eakins staying on as an assistant along with Acton. Then bring in Kevin Dineen to fill out the staff an punt Bucky & Smith. How's that for off the top of my head.

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#27 DSF
November 11 2013, 02:00PM
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Gaz wrote:

Oh please. I'm not sold on Eakins but lets not get too carried away here.

A lot of things are plausible. You know what else is? That Vancouver interviewed him and tried to hire him, but he chose Edmonton because they did a better sell job (and anyone who handles the Luongo/Schneider fiasco as poorly as Gillis did isn't much more credible than the current Oilers braintrust).

Who is the former NHL player?

I followed the Vancouver coaching situation very closely and Gillis did NOT offer Eakins a job

He was interviewed the day after the Eakins interview and said he still had a few candidates to look at.

Seems like the Luongo/Schneider fiasco turned out just fine too.

Schneider - .915

Luongo - .911

Dubnyk - .876.

Oops.

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#28 Geoff
November 11 2013, 09:47AM
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I still can't believe the Oilers are doing this badly.

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#29 Terran
November 11 2013, 10:46AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

If the Oilers ever even entertain the idea of hiring Crawford in any capacity (even hot dog vendor #9 on the concourse), I will cheerfully burn all my oilers merchandise and begin cheering for the Flames.

What I'm saying is I loathe the guy. It's no coincidence that two of the more heinous acts (Lemieux on Draper and Bertuzzi on Moore) occurred with him as coach

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#30 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 11:21AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Would you give up Hall, RNH, and Yakupov to get it?

All three?

Man, that is tough but yes. Then the team can finally start to move forward. I'm tired of going nowhere fast.

Would you?

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#31 mlcselli
November 11 2013, 12:08PM
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Gagner should never play centre especially with Arcs as a proven option. As far as the rest of the team, hopefully they will play a less stressful game when Bryz takes his place between the pipes. DD has shown that he can not be trusted to make the saves that are important to win the games. Whatever happened to him in the off season that has him such a hot mess, has really taken a toll on his performance. What a disappointing season for everyone. I wasn't expecting to make it to the post season, but I certainly didn't see this coming.

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#32 Lawndemon
November 11 2013, 12:19PM
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This is %100 MacT getting the wool pulled over his eyes by a average coach with a good sales pitch.

I heard from a very reliable source that he wasn't in the running for the job in Vancouver and that Eakins himself "leaked his 'candidacy' for the Canucks job to the media." Maybe that's just sour grapes from the Canucks but it certainly seems plausible to me. Given the choice as an Oiler fan, Who wouldn't rather see Torts behind the bench right now?

One former NHL player no longer associated with the Oilers but still prominent from a league standpoint said off the record that Eakins is "far better at marketing himself than actually coaching hockey."

If we take an objective look at this team I think we can agree it isn't a cup contender. I think we could also we agree that Tippett, Trotz, Babcock, Krueger, etc would have them above .500 and actually developing.

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#33 DSF
November 11 2013, 12:26PM
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Lawndemon wrote:

This is %100 MacT getting the wool pulled over his eyes by a average coach with a good sales pitch.

I heard from a very reliable source that he wasn't in the running for the job in Vancouver and that Eakins himself "leaked his 'candidacy' for the Canucks job to the media." Maybe that's just sour grapes from the Canucks but it certainly seems plausible to me. Given the choice as an Oiler fan, Who wouldn't rather see Torts behind the bench right now?

One former NHL player no longer associated with the Oilers but still prominent from a league standpoint said off the record that Eakins is "far better at marketing himself than actually coaching hockey."

If we take an objective look at this team I think we can agree it isn't a cup contender. I think we could also we agree that Tippett, Trotz, Babcock, Krueger, etc would have them above .500 and actually developing.

Absolutely plausible.

Gillis, from day one, indicated he wanted to hire a veteran coach for his veteran team.

Eakins doesn't qualify.

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#34 D
November 11 2013, 01:33PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Personally I would rather be entertained by good competitive hockey. Then a run at the Cup.

I definitely agree with you on that one. But I think we're out of luck with this season. So a little schadenfreude is all that's really left for me.

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#35 madjam
November 11 2013, 01:35PM
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This is the first season of the rebuild , what did you expect form new group ? Last rebuild was cancelled last year . Even if we finish 29th , that's still better than the 30th we were in last rebuild . Isn't progress fun ?

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#36 David S
November 11 2013, 03:37PM
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GagnerISGREAT wrote:

Do you people actually believe what you are seeing from Gagner is how he will stay? This blog is full of idiots. He shouldn't be playing. That's the problem. He rushed back because of the record. He can't take or throw a hit because of his jaw. People calling him soft are stupid. He and Perron are the only ones with grit in the top 6. Before the jaw Gagner regularly threw a hit and has 4-5 NHL fights (I don't know the exact number) His faceoff percentage? He's had great games and terrible games. That face mask DOES effect it a lot. If you think it doesn't put one on and see how it effects your vision. Wait until he's 100% and has that mask off. Than the Gagner we know will be back.

Just wanted to re-post this for emphasis. Gagner's game is nowhere near 100%. He's floating more than normal because he's unable mentally or physically to engage. Add the full cage and you have a total lack of confidence.

I messed up my knee a few weeks ago, probably torn meniscus. My whole lower body basically shied away from any sort of normal motion and I'm still afraid to attempt stairs despite the fact it doesn't hurt anymore. I'm fighting the urge to get back to the gym because I'm scared crapless I'll be right back to square one.

Sam has his liabilities to be sure. But to judge his performance on his current circumstances is plain wrong. It'll be at least a month before he'll be anywhere near up to speed.

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#37 Bloodsweatandoil
November 11 2013, 07:20PM
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Just reading on ESPN, Yakupov's agent is meeting with Edmonton brass tomorrow. He is unhappy on how he is being used, Yakupov is willing for a trade. Larinov says EDM unhappy with him said Yak open to trade: "We're willing to make a move. Any team. That happens and that's part of life."

Not cool...what a primadonna!!!!

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#38 Craig1981
November 11 2013, 10:00AM
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Looking at Eakin's record in the AHL, it seems his teams continue to improve from season to season. I know that isn't all on him, but changing the culture in a room isn't done quickly or easily.

If the teams plays well the last half and keeps up to our playoff teams the season wasn't a loss........though I would like to watch an Oiler playoff game once this decade at some point

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#39 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 10:17AM
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Time to move out some Justin Beiber look a likes and bring in some Dee Snyder circa 1984 look a likes.

The team has no balls.

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#40 Reality Check to the head
November 11 2013, 10:30AM
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In last nights game, I can honestly say the oilers seemed to be trying hard. I do however, think there is something missing between the ears. Whether it is knowledge, the brains to actually know how to play in your own end, or the willingness to pay the price to be defensively responsible, the Oilers as a whole are missing it.

We have a lot of new players (and not too mention the coach), new to the team or new to the league. How could anyone really expected this team to be a playoff contender. Hindsight is 20/20, so saying we should have expected this start is laughable, but we should not have expected this team to be a well oiled machine during the first quarter of the season. Maybe a few more wins, but not a contender.

I will continue to watch, continue to look for signs of this team learning to play together, while wishing they would have made that trade; Hemsky for Simmonds. Dont trade the 1st round pick, Our position will be shamefully awesome and maybe we will draft someone bigger than a smurf (Nurse excluded).

(Drops microphone and exits stage left)

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#41 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:53AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'm not giving Eakins a pass ether, this guy just recently had Gagner out in the last 30 seconds of a game to take a draw against arguable the best faceoff man in the NHL.

The Oilers never regained control.........I'm mean who seen that happening!

Eakins system until recently had to be modified because his swarm system was being dominated by other teams especially down low, he had to revert back to basic zone without the puck. Not to mention his PK sucks, his PP is awful, he played Gagner line power for power on the road and got dominated, yet surprisingly kept them on? He singles out an individual players for lousy turn over yet doesn't punish the biggest culprits in turnovers because somehow it's ok that Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner are allowed to turn it over.?

If Katz hires a new POHO which if he doesn't is a bigger fool then Lowe, your going to see a new GM & a new coach.

The whole system needs to be flushed including the coach.

Makes one wonder if Eakins is challenging Gagner to prove he is a legit 2nd line Center after 7 years in the league? If you think about it...MacT gave Gagner a ringing endorsement and a contract to along with it.....Eakins might not want to show up his boss ....so he's playing Gagner as though MacT's ringing endorsement is true!.....really it's the only explanation that makes any sense.

He's simply playing Gagner as though Gagner IS the guy that MacT says he is.

It's called sink or swim.

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#42 Randaman
November 11 2013, 12:34PM
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15w40 wrote:

Don't see 89 going anywhere. Has a NTC that kicks in next year and a verbal assurance that he is safe this year. I'm guessing if management had a do over they would have traded him 2 years ago but they didn't and that would also imply they made a mistake so maybe not.

Unless they are willing sell at 20 cents on the dollar, they aren't moving anybody of substance from the so-called core.

When you are dealing from 26th place or lower over the past 4 to 5 years, who really will give any value to the roster. Look at Smid - nothing but a minor leaguer and a prospect - and he was playing in the top 4 for Edmonton.

Can't see many bold moves coming from YEG unless it involves MacT grabbing a brass rail.

Maybe a few deadline deals, but that will likley amount to more futures and likely not high end - potential sure bets either.

By the end of 2013/14 is in the books, this may be the most dark and sobering time in the last few years of the overhaul. They were selling hope and people were buying, but now it would appear that patience is a scant commodity that few of the fan base has left.

Choppy indeed...........

Your take on the Smid trade is short sighted in my opinion. I think you will be impressed when you see Horak play and Brossoit is a much better prospect than Roy I think. 3.5 off the books for a slow, poor puck handling (yes, he had grit) defence man that couldn't fit into the scheme is fine with me. I wish him the best though, he was a good soldier but something has to give and I am sure some of us will not agree with the trades to come when they happen. Par for the course. See what I did there with the golf reference. Come on, that's funny.

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#43 DSF
November 11 2013, 12:41PM
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Randaman wrote:

Difference here is that we really don't qualify as a veteran team. Not compared to Vancouver anyways. I want to see Eakins given the full season to implement his way of doing things before I pass judgement. We weren't making the play offs anyway.

Then what?

If the Oilers continue to stink for the rest of the season, what do you do next?

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November 11 2013, 01:26PM
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DSF wrote:

Then what?

If the Oilers continue to stink for the rest of the season, what do you do next?

@DSF - you raise a valid point here. But the organization is in a bind. Major trades at this point would probably result in the Oilers giving away the farm, especially with the current management in place. There's a certain amount of inertia in place right now that would be difficult to overcome compared to the summer months when there is an expectation that all teams will modify their roster.

Bringing in a new coach right now? Well then it's back to square one relearning systems.

The "smartest men in the NHL" (TM SixRings, Inc.) got served a serious dose of humble pie. For me, that's almost entertaining enough.

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#45 DSF
November 11 2013, 01:51PM
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madjam wrote:

This is the first season of the rebuild , what did you expect form new group ? Last rebuild was cancelled last year . Even if we finish 29th , that's still better than the 30th we were in last rebuild . Isn't progress fun ?

When do we get to cancel this rebuild? 💥

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November 11 2013, 01:52PM
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OilFanInVan wrote:

Maybe Smid was Craig McTavish's Jason Giambi*. We don't know what might have happened in the dressing room. We do know Smid has said some things recently to reporters...

* Watch Moneyball if you don't get the reference

I expect there is something to this.

The Smid trade just doesn't smell right.

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November 11 2013, 02:02PM
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Smokey wrote:

I miss the old guys quotes and press conferences. He made loosing at least kinda entertaining. Him and Bryz would be pure gold all year in the media scrums. Always laughed at those in the media who painted Quinn as being outta touch. The only thing he never won was a Cup, he accomplished everything else. Even in those dark days of his tenure I felt that he never lost the room like Eakins, he just had no talent, an AHL goalie, and his only star was broken. Listening to Eakins, I wanna take to the bottle...no wonder he lost the team.

I expect if Pat Quinn had Kevin Lowe's job right now the Oilers would be a much better team.

The man (Quinn, to be clear) is far from stupid.

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#48 Smokey
November 11 2013, 02:11PM
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I expect if Pat Quinn had Kevin Lowe's job right now the Oilers would be a much better team.

The man (Quinn, to be clear) is far from stupid.

Sorry if inferred that he was dumn, much to the contrary. I think he was portrayed as being a dinosaur, old school. Pat Quinn was screwed over, he was by far the best coach we had during these dark days. I felt bad that he was not given the reigns for another year. The quotes alone were gold though.

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#49 camdog
November 11 2013, 07:00PM
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@Mike the Coal Miner

Gags has never enagaged in the defensive zone, didn't last year and hasn't improved significanlty from his rookie season in my opinion. Although the injury is a real reason for his even poorer play, even when healthy he tends to float around in the d-zone. When Mact promised him the no trade clause I shuddered at the thought.

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#50 Mac962
November 11 2013, 09:49AM
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Its time to move more than Smid. the search for the right deal needs to move forward and make it.

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