THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES

Lowetide
November 11 2013 09:41AM

The Edmonton Oilers are in a bad spot now, and with a 4-13-2 record to start the season you would be reading some 'fire the coach' articles by now if this were any other franchise. The thing is, they've done that already, seemingly every summer since 2009. I guess they could fire a coach in-season, but I don't think that is going to happen. The alternative? A wild and crazy ride.

Do you remember the famous line uttered by every GM who ever fired a coach? It goes "well, you can't fire all 23 players" and is followed by knowing nods from all gathered for the media conference. I think we're about the see the reverse, kind of a "well, you can't fire 23 coaches" plan.

It started with Ladislav Smid. Dallas Eakins didn't give him a lot of time on the Smid-Petry tandem and honestly Smid's skill set doesn't really fit the Eakins template (get puck, move puck, rinse, repeat) for puck handling. The Oilers sent away Smid partly for cap savings into the next seasons, and that may be the case with more players as the MacT-Eakins tandem makes more final decisions on who can and cannot handle the Eakins way.

Sam Gagner may be in some peril as a center in this system. It's early, and he's coming back from injury, but he's been exposed on this road trip by eye and by math--he's not in good positions, doesn't win enough battles and when he's not helping offensively 89 doesn't do enough without the puck to warrant top line minutes.

Dallas Eakins is the first coach in forever Edmonton has employed to deliver results without worrying too much about talent development. Eakins has to nurse Yakupov a little, but other than that it's a results oriented business and those who can't or won't will be shot out of a cannon to their new home.

Bottom line: Dallas Eakins has a right to ask each player on the ice to be defensively responsible. We've been talking about systems but these aren't new ideas brought from Mars, these are defensive tactics that require a player to adjust to the situation and mark his man. The results so far show some players have been able to adjust and flourish despite some stumbles, and others appear lost. Gagner has played far fewer games than the others, so there may be a sense that he can recover over time--however, at some point he's going to pay for indifference or inability with lost playing time, a change in position, or a ticket out of town.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It began with Belov replacing Smid on the top 4, and resulted in Smid being sent away. Next step: Mark Arcobello at center, Gagner to the wing. The Edmonton Oilers have lost the season already and that is a horrible reality. The next logical step is to refine the roster to better reflect Dallas Eakins, culling those who don't fit and adding those who are a better match.

Stay close to your internet, this is going to get choppy.

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#51 Smokey
November 11 2013, 09:50AM
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Stang wrote:

This team needs an enimea. FIRE LOWE!!

I'd even do the dirty deed and stick it in...ewwww....

Eakins needs to get this team to play defensively. Pick up men, cover guys in the slot, and don't leave guys wide open in front of the goalie. That's where this team needs to start.

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#52 Ari Gold
November 11 2013, 10:26AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

I like the idea of Crawford. He coached a very talented team to the cup (Aves in 96). I think he also did a good job with the Nucks in the mid 2000s with a lineup that had massive holes (goaltending, bottom 6 and D).

Lemaire has retired from coaching but it'd certainly be interesting to see a complete change in style. The Oilers playing vicious, responsible D. I'd appreciate it.

I honestly wanted them to grab Hitchcock when he came on the market. Yes I said it! Hitchcock to Etown!

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#53 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 11:03AM
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Reading the comments on this blog since the start of the season I can conclude that resentment, disillusionment and anger are common traits among posters. Here's a clue for you folks: this mediocre team is useless if the leadership is non-existent. What the Oilers need are a set of balls. No more prancing on the ice. Quotes: "The number one thing we're going to be committed to is competition. If you're going to play for the Edmonton Oilers, you're going to compete. That's how you win games in the NHL and that's how you make your organization better." (Dallas Eakins). "I'm an impatient man".

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#54 D-Unit
November 11 2013, 11:09AM
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@michael

I would be happy with Gagner playing 3rd line wing. Preferably with any other team in the NHL. I don't know how you convince any other team to pay him $4.8 to do that though. Gagner is just one of many cases of the Oilers putting more value into their players than the rest of the league would.

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#55 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:16AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mt dream team and remember it is a dream:

Scotty Bowman in Lowe's spot.

Lou Lamoriello in MacT's spot.

Mike Babcock in Eakin's spot

Would you give up Hall, RNH, and Yakupov to get it?

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#56 VK63
November 11 2013, 11:22AM
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For those inclined to believe that a eureka epiphany moment exists for Sam Gagners defensive game.

I worry about you.

the fact that eakins had him out there to attempt to win a desperation late game draw.

Well that is just sumthin sumthin

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:22AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I wish I could say Gagner is the new Horcoff...but I can't ....Horcoff had talent , could win a face off, played a two way game, and had a little grit.

I'm not kidding....you give me the Horcoff of 3 years ago at 5.5 or the Gagner of today at 4.8....and I take Horc every day of the week and twice on Sundays!

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#58 Rama Lama
November 11 2013, 11:37AM
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If there was a litmus test for a coach it would be:

1. Have the majority of the players improved under this coach? 2. Have the majority of players regressed under this coach?

It's painfully obvious this coach is utilizing his talent in ways that defy logic........or maybe, just maybe he is trying to expose the shortcomings of his talent base to management by playing them in situations that will cause them to grow?

I'm just not sure if this guy is a genius or a total idiot? Not playing players in their natural roles, player match-ups, line combinations, constantly changing lines, all lead me to believe he is struggling to find chemistry.

Maybe Dallas just needs to stop changing things up all the time and consult some outside people for their thoughts..........I would see this as a sign of strength not weakness.

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#59 Old School G
November 11 2013, 11:59AM
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Where Laddy was one dimensional as a defenceman, Gagnger is one dimensional as a forward. Eakins system seems to demand multi functional players. This could take a while.

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#60 Oilcruzer
November 11 2013, 12:10PM
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Old School G wrote:

Where Laddy was one dimensional as a defenceman, Gagnger is one dimensional as a forward. Eakins system seems to demand multi functional players. This could take a while.

Maybe it's me, but the worse he plays, the more Gagner's name gets butchered. Already seen this and a Ganger in this blog.

Two items:

* Keep Hemsky with Hall. (Result: Trade Deadline Move)

* Keep Gagner out of any situation where he won't have the play end on his stick (or not even start on his stick). (Result: Off Season Shuffle)

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#61 Randaman
November 11 2013, 12:26PM
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GagnerISGREAT wrote:

Do you people actually believe what you are seeing from Gagner is how he will stay? This blog is full of idiots. He shouldn't be playing. That's the problem. He rushed back because of the record. He can't take or throw a hit because of his jaw. People calling him soft are stupid. He and Perron are the only ones with grit in the top 6. Before the jaw Gagner regularly threw a hit and has 4-5 NHL fights (I don't know the exact number) His faceoff percentage? He's had great games and terrible games. That face mask DOES effect it a lot. If you think it doesn't put one on and see how it effects your vision. Wait until he's 100% and has that mask off. Than the Gagner we know will be back.

The Gagner we know is what has us IDIOTS wanting him traded. You post as though this is a new thing. He should have been gone at the trade deadline last year but noooo! Grit? Give your head a shake and take off your rose coloured glasses. This is and. Will always be about the team, not one player!

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#62 Stack Pad Save
November 11 2013, 12:29PM
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Seriously, I have been asking for Gagner to get moved for a real 2nd line center for years now ..... If only I was running this team ...

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#63 Randaman
November 11 2013, 12:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Absolutely plausible.

Gillis, from day one, indicated he wanted to hire a veteran coach for his veteran team.

Eakins doesn't qualify.

Difference here is that we really don't qualify as a veteran team. Not compared to Vancouver anyways. I want to see Eakins given the full season to implement his way of doing things before I pass judgement. We weren't making the play offs anyway.

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#64 Sizzay
November 11 2013, 12:45PM
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Said all last year trade gagner. Sell high. I feel for the guy with the broken jaw but he is being outplayed by arcobello, another guy I'd sell high on.

Move Arco and a pick for Andersen in Anaheim (similar to the bishop trade)

I'm interested in Colin Wilson personally. 6'1 215lbs who has been groomed under trotz. I believe he was drafted as a centre but could be ready to actually play centre now. He would be an interesting replacement t for gagner. I also like the idea of inquiring on Matthias or goc in Florida

Maybe hemsky and gagner for Colin Wilson and Craig smith.

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#65 Serious Gord
November 11 2013, 12:46PM
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Randaman wrote:

Difference here is that we really don't qualify as a veteran team. Not compared to Vancouver anyways. I want to see Eakins given the full season to implement his way of doing things before I pass judgement. We weren't making the play offs anyway.

so if we are at 8-28-5 at the halfway point will you still have the same opinion?

How about a similar record at the trade deadline?

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#66 DSF
November 11 2013, 01:00PM
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Randaman wrote:

I guess that would depend on who is available. Maybe a veteran coach with Eakins staying on as an assistant along with Acton. Then bring in Kevin Dineen to fill out the staff an punt Bucky & Smith. How's that for off the top of my head.

Pat Quinn might be available. :)

😀

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#67 15w40
November 11 2013, 01:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

Your take on the Smid trade is short sighted in my opinion. I think you will be impressed when you see Horak play and Brossoit is a much better prospect than Roy I think. 3.5 off the books for a slow, poor puck handling (yes, he had grit) defence man that couldn't fit into the scheme is fine with me. I wish him the best though, he was a good soldier but something has to give and I am sure some of us will not agree with the trades to come when they happen. Par for the course. See what I did there with the golf reference. Come on, that's funny.

I'm not saying that Brossoit (sp??) will not turn into a valuable part. What I am saying is that what other teams' top 4 defensemen would be worth a depth forward part time nhl-er and some long term potential?

Your point about the 3.5 salary being upside down for what you get is well taken, however it just illustrates more of the problem. Ference - useful but overpay, Gordon - desperately fills a hole but is really to some degree an overpay. Smid was an overpay, Gagner is an overpay.

When you have to overpay players to come here and they are paid above their job description its like death by paper cut.

Edmonton is counting on value coming from some of their later draft picks and that hasn't come to fruition to this point and it is killing them.

When you go to trade a player that is not playing up to their contract, then you are typically forced to take less talent back or another bad contract.

Makes it nearly impossible to improve the roster via trade. Basically the GM is left hoping that when trading his under-performer for somebody elses under-performer will end up paying dividends.

Even the 93, 4, and 14 $6 mil contracts are overpays at the beginning but there again, management is banking on value on the back half of the deal.

If things don't start to fall the Oiler's way in the next 2 seasons, this whole rebuild will have been an unmitigated disaster & they will be starting at ground zero again.

Management will have to come up with a couple magic tricks based on all of the obstacles that lie in front of them to prevent that from happening.

IMHO

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#68 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 01:10PM
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The Oilers badly need Reggie Dunlop as a coach so he can tell Craig "Joe McGrath" MacTavish to f@#k off. Would it cost Taylor Hall to acquire the Hansons? I'd do it.

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#69 Serious Gord
November 11 2013, 01:20PM
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Randaman wrote:

I am hopeful that a couple more moves (please) by MacT will improve the mix. I just don't see the need to continue the revolving door for coaches because we think the players aren't at fault here. Eberle has been invisible in the defensive zone along with Hemsky, Yak and many others. Eakins doesn't play the game. The players carry the ultimate responsibility for our situation. The effort level on most nights tells us this.

Didn't answer my question. Here it is again:

so if we are at 8-28-5 at the halfway point will you still have the same opinion?

How about a similar record at the trade deadline?

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#70 DSF
November 11 2013, 03:30PM
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More on Stamkos:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/27714/no-one-can-replace-steven-stamkos

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#71 nick
November 11 2013, 09:55PM
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The morale is bad because Eakins is a horrendous coach. Can't bring your AHL mentality to the NHL and be so arrogant doing it. He has won nothing and it is being proven his systems don't work, Suck it up MacT and say I made a huge mistake and get rid of this useless coach. He has most of the guys so scared to do anything they are playing horrendous. He clearly has his favorites that he plays regardless of mistakes they make. Ference has been god awful all season and he is still playing high minutes. If you think Smid couldn't move the puck watch this guy try and move it. Undersized and over hyped. The ship is sinking faster than the Titanic, get off now oiler fans get off now

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#72 Serious Gord
November 11 2013, 10:16AM
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And how much would morale improve for all of oilersnation if Lowe was fired?

Sometimes addition happens by subtraction.

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#73 James
November 11 2013, 10:36AM
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@michael

Agreed, Gagner should have been eased back in more slowly than he has been. It was clear and still is, that he's not 100% and his jaw is sore. He took that hit a couple games back and was clearly in pain, and perhaps that's why he's a bit shy on some plays. He should have sat for another week to heal a bit more or been brough along slowly on the 3rd or 4th line with less minutes until he was more up to speed. I kind of feel like Eakins threw him to the wolves a bit there. There wasn't any rush seeing as we had Arcobello to rely on for 2nd line C duties, so Eakins choice is befuddling to say the least.

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#74 Randaman
November 11 2013, 10:50AM
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I think we can all agree that changes are required and will be forthcoming if MacT has the balls to trade one of the so called fab five (excluding Hall of course). If Weber is available for Eberle, our 2014 first rounder and a prospect? Of course you pull the trigger. Webers don't grow on trees and the big bonus money has already been spent. Secondly, Gagner is really struggling but that is nothing new to the people here. He will have a 6 point night or something to that effect and all is forgiven for some reason. Deal him and and or Hemsky and get a bigger top 6 forward (easier said than done I know). Thirdly, Eakins is here long term. Get used to it and buy in or you will sit or be gone. Yes, I am looking at you Eberle(whom I really like by the way). Thoughts?

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#75 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:32AM
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Spydyr wrote:

All three?

Man, that is tough but yes. Then the team can finally start to move forward. I'm tired of going nowhere fast.

Would you?

It is tough!......tough to give up on the six years of hope that is represented in the three first overall picks.........but ...sadly.....yes....I would do it.....I would have more faith in Scotty , Lou and Mike building something special...than I have faith that something special is in the works now.

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#76 Walter Sobchak
November 11 2013, 11:41AM
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I'm not giving Eakins a pass ether, this guy just recently had Gagner out in the last 30 seconds of a game to take a draw against arguable the best faceoff man in the NHL.

The Oilers never regained control.........I'm mean who seen that happening!

Eakins system until recently had to be modified because his swarm system was being dominated by other teams especially down low, he had to revert back to basic zone without the puck. Not to mention his PK sucks, his PP is awful, he played Gagner line power for power on the road and got dominated, yet surprisingly kept them on? He singles out an individual players for lousy turn over yet doesn't punish the biggest culprits in turnovers because somehow it's ok that Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner are allowed to turn it over.?

If Katz hires a new POHO which if he doesn't is a bigger fool then Lowe, your going to see a new GM & a new coach.

The whole system needs to be flushed including the coach.

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#77 Ryan D
November 11 2013, 12:24PM
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I am not sure of this Dallas Eakins, how did we get so much worse this year?? I believe our skill set excluding goalie tandem got better this year so again I ask how did we get so much worse?? I think it has to be the system that the coach Eakins is trying to implement!! It's obvious the players are not buying into it. There is no emotion on this team. No sence of urgency at all. It's actually sad. Also would like to thank upper management for not addressing the problems before we were eliminated from the playoffs. GET RID OF LOWE NOW, Kevin that is haha. Nice move by signing BRYZ but a little to late. He's gonna have a breakout year we are still gonna miss playoffs and BRYZ is Gona take his cash and peace right out if the NorthPole and we are gonna be stuck with this god awe full mess Kevin Lowehas created!!! No wonder Lowes kid didn't want to get drafted here he new is father had destroyed this franchise!!

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#78 DSF
November 11 2013, 12:32PM
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Stamkos taken off the ice on a stretcher.

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#79 Gaz
November 11 2013, 01:19PM
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@Lawndemon

Oh please. I'm not sold on Eakins but lets not get too carried away here.

A lot of things are plausible. You know what else is? That Vancouver interviewed him and tried to hire him, but he chose Edmonton because they did a better sell job (and anyone who handles the Luongo/Schneider fiasco as poorly as Gillis did isn't much more credible than the current Oilers braintrust).

Who is the former NHL player?

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#80 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 01:42PM
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michael wrote:

Stamko's definitely fubared his leg. Broke? If it is there is a monster opportunity for MacT. Team Canada will be weaker with his loss. Opportunity knocks for Eberle.

Do they need a water boy because he has done absolutely nothing this year. He does not even belong in the conversation.

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#81 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 01:46PM
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oildrops wrote:

it came three games too late. That's to bad for team Canada though

You should go back and edit the first sentence out.

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#82 DSF
November 11 2013, 01:50PM
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michael wrote:

Stamko's definitely fubared his leg. Broke? If it is there is a monster opportunity for MacT. Team Canada will be weaker with his loss. Opportunity knocks for Eberle.

No it doesn't.

It knocks for Matt Duchene.

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#83 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 02:13PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

I think you are referring to Jeremy Giambi, Jason's less talented little brother, who was arrested for drug charges in Las Vegas the season before the Moneyball movie is set. I suppose we don't know what goes on in the dressing room, but if you are referring to the scene in the movie when Jeremy was dancing after a loss to entertain his teammates, and then was traded thereafter, I can bet that Smid was NOT that kind of player. The snippets we have seen of him from the media show that he was, in fact, the opposite. Jeremy didn't care how his team was performing, while Smid would curse and be downright pissed off, which, IMO, is exactly the way a team mate who cares should react to a beatdown and a record as shotty as the Oilers.

Jason Giambi, at the time (without the subsequently discovered steroid use), was actually a highly coveted 1st baseman who Oakland could no longer afford to pay, but had led the league in on base percentage in 2001, and Moneyball actually focuses on filling the void that Giambi's departure had created for the team. So if you intended to mean that Smid was like Jason Giambi, then I agree, losing him created a void on the team's roster that they have yet to fill adequately unless Klefbom is ready for that role, today...

I have absolutely no inside the dressing room knowledge but perhaps Smid called out one or more of the "wonder kids" and so he gets moved along.

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#84 DSF
November 11 2013, 02:28PM
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Some Oiler talk and why Minnesota is one of the best puck possession teams in the NHL from Elliote Friedman:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/11/30-thoughts-wild-prosper-from-playing-puck-more.html

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 02:29PM
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Random thought......I would gain a great deal of respect for Eakins if he volunteered to shave his head for cancer!

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#86 Oiler Al
November 11 2013, 05:07PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Ralph left.

Simple, Eakin had the Fab danglers taking on the PK. These guys cant defend 5X5, what you expect them do get smarter and better on 4X5, with one less player on the ice.

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#88 Spydyr
November 11 2013, 10:23AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

The short answer yes and no. Yes they could , no they won't put up with Lowe.

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#89 michael
November 11 2013, 10:24AM
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Absolutely dead on as to what will occur here in the next few moths. The players will either adapt to Eakins/MacT's way/style/system or they will shown the door.

Gagner is a disaster at center. His NHL FO % is pathetic. His saving grace is that usually he gets away with it because he in the past has shown the ability to produce points.

My concern a couple of weeks ago was that Eakins was asking Gagner to come back in and play at the number2 position when clearly his game had yet to be seen and or played. It was like asking a guy to run a 100 yard dash without letting him warm up. A little time on the 3rd or 4th line was imo needed. So far the result has been less than expected of him. Go figure given the situation he was put in.

I put his lack of performance on Eakins who at times put his players in untenable positions with unrealistic expectations. Example. RNH playing 28 minutes his first game. What was he thinking? His response usually is that if there cleared to play that means they are ready to perform at 100%. I'd argue that.

Perhaps Jeff Krushell could elighten us with his knowledge. If you don't mind asking him Lowetide on when a player should be expected to perform at 100% after an injury layoff?

Times are lean. The game against Chicago last night was entertaining. We won the Special teams battle and got killed 5v5. DD was solid. Larsen needs a bigger body to play with. Is Petry stagnating again? Larsen and Fedun both have shown more than Petry in terms of recognition as to when to join the play. Are we overvaluing Petry? Or has Petry's numbers been skewed due to the opponents he and Smid were paired against?

Lastly will we ever see Corey Potter or Denis Grebeshkov in an Oilers uniform?

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#90 rubbertrout
November 11 2013, 10:35AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Marc Crawford Paul Maurice Larry Robinson Peter Laviolette Jacquie Lemaire

Are all coaches who have won or played in the Stanley Cup final in the "recent" years. Could one of these guys help the Oilers in some way?

If it isn't Laviolette or Robinson don't even entertain the notion.

Even still, I've had enough of blaming the coaches for the players' inability to play the system. Mac-T has his guy. It is Eakins for the foreseeable future so buckle up and hope the good times are still coming around the corner.

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#91 madjam
November 11 2013, 11:14AM
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The club needs to move forward , and that is difficult with holding on to Smyth and Hemsky . MacT. was maybe out on his assessment of Gagner as well .

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#92 D-Unit
November 11 2013, 11:23AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Would you give up Hall, RNH, and Yakupov to get it?

Pretty sure in that dream world, Scotty, Lou and Mike would give them up if they didn't want to complete, show some heart and stand up for themselves and their teammates. Not just once in a while, 60 minutes a game, 82 games a year.

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#93 I Remember the Orange Jerseys
November 11 2013, 11:33AM
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Randaman wrote:

I think we can all agree that changes are required and will be forthcoming if MacT has the balls to trade one of the so called fab five (excluding Hall of course). If Weber is available for Eberle, our 2014 first rounder and a prospect? Of course you pull the trigger. Webers don't grow on trees and the big bonus money has already been spent. Secondly, Gagner is really struggling but that is nothing new to the people here. He will have a 6 point night or something to that effect and all is forgiven for some reason. Deal him and and or Hemsky and get a bigger top 6 forward (easier said than done I know). Thirdly, Eakins is here long term. Get used to it and buy in or you will sit or be gone. Yes, I am looking at you Eberle(whom I really like by the way). Thoughts?

Agreed, except that I would add RNH to your short list of untouchables. When I look at the so-called fab five, I see RNH as the player making the greatest effort to improve his overall game, and I see a great deal of yet-to-be achieved potential. This guy is going to be a star for years to come.

I really don’t see us getting anything other than draft picks and prospects for Gagner or Hemsky. Yak, with his current struggles and relatively small sample size, would as well likely bring back little in return.

This leaves the Oilers with two major tradable assets, J. Schultz and Eberle.

Personally, I don’t think Schultz will ever live up to the hype. I think Eberle has already peaked as a player, and will never live up to that $6M contract. Very soon, he’s going to become Horcoff 2.0 in the fans’ eyes. If trading either or both of these players will bring immediate, sustainable help to the line-up, I hope MacT would have the balls to make the bold moves he has promised us, and that he’d pull the trigger.

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#94 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 11 2013, 11:40AM
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LT....good article...showing a little balance in your perspective.....

Now can you shows us the chart that rates Morale....you know...the Morale stats.....and how do they relate to CORSI again?....is it linear?......(just having some fun with ya!) ....keep up the good work....fighting the good fight as they say!

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#95 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 11:45AM
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Rheal1 wrote:

Quick poll: Would you trade away Gagner, Eberle, Justin Schultz and David Perron IF if it resulted in that the team would make playoffs?

I meant "if the players in return" resulted....

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#96 Walter Sobchak
November 11 2013, 12:12PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Makes one wonder if Eakins is challenging Gagner to prove he is a legit 2nd line Center after 7 years in the league? If you think about it...MacT gave Gagner a ringing endorsement and a contract to along with it.....Eakins might not want to show up his boss ....so he's playing Gagner as though MacT's ringing endorsement is true!.....really it's the only explanation that makes any sense.

He's simply playing Gagner as though Gagner IS the guy that MacT says he is.

It's called sink or swim.

If that's the case then do you think Eakins is on board with MacTavish? If Eakins is on board with MacTavish then that's another ringing enforcement for incompetence on both part.

If Eakins is trying to show MacTavish that Gagner is "not" the centre going forward why would he do it at the expense of losing the game?

Remember it just wasn't that faceoff in the dying minute of the game, he had Gagner out the the whole game against the toughs and being dominated, especially defensively .

Why would Eakins put himself in that position to fail?

While you maybe right, I find myself questioning Eakins a lot more lately, while some of his earlier mistakes can be attributed to being a rookie, I can't say that for the last while.

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#97 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 11 2013, 12:14PM
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Nothing will improve until management is held accountable. If management isnt held accountable then why would anyone else in an organization feel the need to be accountable?

All the moves that we can talk about and all the systems that can be implemented are meaningless. How can one possibly believe that the people who took 7 years to make this team completely incompetent will be the people who fix it?

Trade everyone, trade no one. It will make no difference because the team has the worst management in the league and the last 7 seasons prove it.

All the articles are just verbal masturbation. Might make one feel good for a short term but in the big picture completely meaningless.

I didn't watch the game yesterday and the end result justifies my decision. Stop watching the games until ownership shows actual character. It is the only way my ON brothers and sisters. The greedy pig Katz only understands dollars lets us stop feeding his greed.

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#98 Rheal1
November 11 2013, 12:39PM
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Does Dallas still go to work on his road bike?

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#99 china town man
November 11 2013, 01:03PM
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The oilers are pathetic as a hockey team and stupid to make trade with your enemy The fricken flames , like talk about salt in the wound ....

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#100 DSF
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